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Old January 9th 19, 07:49 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On occasion I receive a PDF doc, that I would like to edit then save.
I do not want to pay for Adobe "Pro?" I have tried a few, where a
Google search denotes it as a FREE apps - that soon turns into PAID !

Is there a useful PDF app, where I can edit the text or alternately
save to MSFT Word for editing?
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Old January 9th 19, 08:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article ,
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On occasion I receive a PDF doc, that I would like to edit then save.
I do not want to pay for Adobe "Pro?" I have tried a few, where a
Google search denotes it as a FREE apps - that soon turns into PAID !

Is there a useful PDF app, where I can edit the text or alternately
save to MSFT Word for editing?


word will open a pdf, although formatting might change slightly:
https://support.office.com/en-us/art...729-6b79-499a-
bcdb-233379c2f63a
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Old January 9th 19, 08:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 1/9/2019 1:49 PM, wrote:
On occasion I receive a PDF doc, that I would like to edit then save.
I do not want to pay for Adobe "Pro?" I have tried a few, where a
Google search denotes it as a FREE apps - that soon turns into PAID !

Is there a useful PDF app, where I can edit the text or alternately
save to MSFT Word for editing?

When you say edit exactly what do you mean?

If you mean rewrite sections of the document then you will have to use
MS Word or WordPerfect (except the Student and Home edition)

However it you are talking about doing as I do, you can definitely do it
with the free Adobe Reader. I down load books or articles in PDF
format. Sometimes I want to add a comment to a specific sentence so it
is permanently marked so it is easily found. ie a book on the history
of a county, and there is a specific paragraph that my describe a family
I am interest.

I use the Comment function of Adobe Reader to mark those sections. That
make them easy to find when you click Comments in the right side pane,
as all the comments in the document are listed. Alternatively you can
added the comment with right click at the point you want to mark and
select Sticky Note. (There are some PDF that are locked and you can not
do this, if they are locked you probably can not open them for editing
either.)

I use the add text function of Adobe Reader If I want to make a
correction to the document ie the history gives an erroneous person as
the father. I also use this function to fill in forms, as this
function makes any PDF document an editable form. To make the
information part of the document you must save the edited PDF document
to disk. To make the information a permanent part of the PDF print the
PDF to another file using a PDF printer.

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Old January 9th 19, 09:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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| On occasion I receive a PDF doc, that I would like to edit then save.

I use PDF XChange Viewer v. 2.5.214. I think
some later versions may be restriced or nagware,
but I'm not sure.
I use it to fill in fillable forms, to do things like add
a note with the URL of where I got the PDF, etc.

I can also edit pages by exporting the whole thing
as an image, working on the image, then pasting
that image back in. I sometimes do non-fillable forms
that way.

But if you want total editing ability I don't think
there's any free option. PDFXV doesn't allow me to just
cut, paste, or type text as though the existing text
were Notepad. I don't think the paid version can even
do that.


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Old January 10th 19, 01:32 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 1/9/2019 2:54 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 1/9/2019 1:49 PM, wrote:
On occasion I receive a PDF doc, that I would like to edit then save.
I do not want to pay for Adobe "Pro?" I have tried a few, where a
Google search denotes it as a FREE apps - that soon turns into PAID !

Is there a useful PDF app, where I can edit the text or alternately
save to MSFT Word for editing?

When you say edit exactly what do you mean?

If you mean rewrite sections of the document then you will have to use
MS Word or WordPerfect (except the Student and Home edition)

However it you are talking about doing as I do, you can definitely do it
with the free Adobe Reader.** I down load* books or articles in PDF
format.* Sometimes I want to add a comment to a specific sentence so it
is permanently marked so it is easily found.* ie a book on the history
of a county, and there is a specific paragraph that my describe a family
I am interest.

I use the Comment function of Adobe Reader to mark those sections.* That
make them easy to find when you click Comments in the right side pane,
as all the comments in the document are listed. Alternatively you can
added the comment with right click at the point you want to mark and
select Sticky Note.* (There are some PDF that are locked and you can not
do this, if they are locked you probably can not open them for editing
either.)

I use the add text function of Adobe Reader If I want to make a
correction to the document ie the history gives an erroneous person as
the father.*** I also use this function to fill in forms, as this
function makes any PDF document an editable form. To make the
information part of the document you must save the edited PDF document
to disk.* To make the information a permanent part of the PDF print the
PDF to another file using a PDF printer.

I don't personally use the revision, but I believe it is freeware that
will do what you want.

It was part of SourceForge.

https://www.pdfforge.org/pdfcreator

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Old January 10th 19, 03:07 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Keith Nuttle wrote:

I don't personally use the revision, but I believe it is freeware that
will do what you want.

It was part of SourceForge.

https://www.pdfforge.org/pdfcreator


I prefer to see some examples of what the original
poster expects to edit.

There is actually no guarantee that every PDF can be edited.

*******

This document for example, has a special kind of protection
that is not a feature covered in the PDF spec. The PDF spec
has "security bits" to control access to documents. But this
one is done outside of that, and the method is a feature of a
desktop publishing packages.

https://i.postimg.cc/HnHMKnZx/libreo...ent-page-2.gif

The method was originally defined here. I see this page
has been updated a bit, from the original.

http://spivey.oriel.ox.ac.uk/corner/Obfuscated_PDF

The English text in the document, renders as gibberish in
an editor, but looks normal in a PDF viewer. In a PDF viewer,
if you were to wipe the text and select "copy", again the
copy buffer gets gibberish.

Editing *will* work for very simple documents. The
simpler they are, the better. Some tools are really only
comfortable with vertical and horizontal strings. It takes
proper tools (maybe Adobe Illustrator being capable of
text with these orientations), to handle something like this.

http://ecee.colorado.edu/~kuester/smith/smith.pdf

The PDF specs would allow a text string to be rendered on
a spline curve. You couldn't translate such a construct
into something that Microsoft Word could handle. And that's
a problem with "conversions", is making sure that both environments
have the expressive richness to do the same thing. If Microsoft
Word only has horizontal and vertical text, whereas PDF
tools can make text on circles or spline curves... now, you
have a problem.

But simple documents won't have that squirrelly ****.

And Tax Forms can be edited in Acrobat Reader (free), then
printed off when you've completed them and want
your output. You may not be able to save them. Some
tax forms have an information page explaining what
to do and what you can't do.

There are also cases that are going to "make you weep".
Maybe a Latex-origined PDF has each character as a
"one character string". You cannot wipe over a word and
edit it, when editing that PDF. You have to wipe each
character individually and overtype it. One character
at a time.

Desktop publishing tools generally create a single
contiguous string per line, and wiping that and editing
it is relatively efficient. But there can be a number
of reasons why the editing will be more difficult.

My other favorite example, is some bonehead decided to
make text output in a PDF, by "overlaying" two characters.
One a regular character, plus an "outline font" which is
concentric to the character. The only problem with this
sort of stuff, is getting your "text selector" I-beam
to select the correct part for editing. When such items
are too close together, you'll need an additional capability
to edit it.

*******

For a number of these "horror" type documents, it's better
to convert them to a bitmap and then OCR them. I.e.

PDF to TIF, then Nuance OCR to Microsoft Word.

To try to save a little on hair loss. It's not pleasant
contemplating doing that, but sometimes you have to do something
like that, in the interest of time. For the Latex document
case, this will (if you're real lucky) convert all
those one-character strings, into multiple-character strings.

Paul
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Old January 10th 19, 07:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 22:05:30 GMT, mick wrote:

On 09/01/2019 18:49:09, wrote:
On occasion I receive a PDF doc, that I would like to edit then save.
I do not want to pay for Adobe "Pro?" I have tried a few, where a
Google search denotes it as a FREE apps - that soon turns into PAID !

Is there a useful PDF app, where I can edit the text or alternately
save to MSFT Word for editing?



https://icecreamapps.com/PDF-Editor/



Thank you ALL, for providing those Many options!! I will soon follow
up with the provided links

BTW When I penned my request, I was trying to respond to a company
email. I was sent a PDF doc, that I was to "sign" and return showing
acceptance. I did not find a FREE app, that would let me add my name/
date in the PDF designated lines and Save. At my request, I also
received it as a Word doc, that I could easily respond
 




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