Real hardware test

Paul brought next idea :
Stuck at 1024x768 video resolution ?

I'm surprised the motherboard graphics on a P4 era
machine are good enough. Maybe it's running with the VESA
fallback driver or something.

It has to be a "late model P4" to meet the CPU requirements.

Paul

I get as high a resolution as I want. As long as I don't get carried
away with what I want.

Ed P.

--
Ed Propes

On 11/26/2014 2:43 AM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 26/11/2014 in message Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

Double Ooops, should be 2.7Mbps and 21Mbps NOT Gb.

That looks like your Internet connection speed.

I was thinking of the home network where, in Win7, I can click on a
network share in Explorer and wait 5 minutes before I can use it.


Yes, that was my internet speeds, Sorry I don't have any network shared
drives.

Regards, Rene

On 26/11/2014 14:04, SC Tom wrote:


"Jeff Gaines" wrote in message
...
On 26/11/2014 in message Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

Double Ooops, should be 2.7Mbps and 21Mbps NOT Gb.

That looks like your Internet connection speed.

I was thinking of the home network where, in Win7, I can click on a
network share in Explorer and wait 5 minutes before I can use it.


Win10TP machine-
Acer V3-731 laptop
Windows 10TP x64 Build 9879
Pentium B950 CPU @2.1 GHz
8GB Ram
Broadcom Wireless internal card

Network share-
Homebuilt w/ Asus MB
Windows 7 HP x86
AMD Phenom II X4 965BE 3.4GHz
4GB RAM
2- GB NIC's (not bridged)

Asus RTN10P Router

As soon as Win10 is fully up and running, I am able to access my network
shares within seconds of opening Network in Computer. I copied a 500MB
video from the shared folder to the Acer in 2.25 minutes (average
transfer rate according to Win10 was ~4MB/S). I can play a shared video
on the Win10 machine smoothly with no lag, skips, or jumps. Audio and
video kept up with each other, no problem. It stayed synced better than
my cable does :-( I used both Windows Media Player (or Video App,
whatever it's called now), and VLC Player and noticed no difference in
quality or smoothness. I'm watching an old Neil Young concert as I'm
composing this :-)

I tried an Excel spreadsheet with no problems, and other types of
documents. They all worked fine, equally as smooth as my work network
was (although it's just me here and not 100 users LOL).

Compared to Win8.1 Pro x64 on the Acer, Win10 runs smoother, but takes a
little longer to boot up. I have two HDD in it, one with Win10 and the
other (primary) with Win8.1. I use F12 on boot-up to select Win10. Since
it's set up that way, I had to disable Fast Start on both OS's. The
Win10 installation is an upgrade from Win8, not a clean installation. I
cloned my Win8.1 drive to the other drive, then removed the Win8.1 drive
and did the upgrade so there would be no interaction between the two
drives during the installation. Thus the F12 selection rather than the
Windows drive selection menu. That way if something goes horrible wrong
with the Win10 installation, I can wipe it with no consequence to the
Win8.1 drive.

What about that stupid stupid thing Windows 7 does where if you have an
SSD as C: and other normal spinning drive(s) connected for large data
files it seems to assume it can use a multi-threaded approach to
extracting the icons for a directory of exe files you've opened in
explorer no matter which drive it's on. In fact for the spinning drives
it just makes it tediously slow and while doing the work the drive emits
an alarmingly loud buzz which can last for 15 seconds or more.

--

Brian Gregory (in the UK).
To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address.

"Brian Gregory" wrote in message
...
On 26/11/2014 14:04, SC Tom wrote:


"Jeff Gaines" wrote in message
...
On 26/11/2014 in message Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

Double Ooops, should be 2.7Mbps and 21Mbps NOT Gb.

That looks like your Internet connection speed.

I was thinking of the home network where, in Win7, I can click on a
network share in Explorer and wait 5 minutes before I can use it.


Win10TP machine-
Acer V3-731 laptop
Windows 10TP x64 Build 9879
Pentium B950 CPU @2.1 GHz
8GB Ram
Broadcom Wireless internal card

Network share-
Homebuilt w/ Asus MB
Windows 7 HP x86
AMD Phenom II X4 965BE 3.4GHz
4GB RAM
2- GB NIC's (not bridged)

Asus RTN10P Router

As soon as Win10 is fully up and running, I am able to access my network
shares within seconds of opening Network in Computer. I copied a 500MB
video from the shared folder to the Acer in 2.25 minutes (average
transfer rate according to Win10 was ~4MB/S). I can play a shared video
on the Win10 machine smoothly with no lag, skips, or jumps. Audio and
video kept up with each other, no problem. It stayed synced better than
my cable does :-( I used both Windows Media Player (or Video App,
whatever it's called now), and VLC Player and noticed no difference in
quality or smoothness. I'm watching an old Neil Young concert as I'm
composing this :-)

I tried an Excel spreadsheet with no problems, and other types of
documents. They all worked fine, equally as smooth as my work network
was (although it's just me here and not 100 users LOL).

Compared to Win8.1 Pro x64 on the Acer, Win10 runs smoother, but takes a
little longer to boot up. I have two HDD in it, one with Win10 and the
other (primary) with Win8.1. I use F12 on boot-up to select Win10. Since
it's set up that way, I had to disable Fast Start on both OS's. The
Win10 installation is an upgrade from Win8, not a clean installation. I
cloned my Win8.1 drive to the other drive, then removed the Win8.1 drive
and did the upgrade so there would be no interaction between the two
drives during the installation. Thus the F12 selection rather than the
Windows drive selection menu. That way if something goes horrible wrong
with the Win10 installation, I can wipe it with no consequence to the
Win8.1 drive.

What about that stupid stupid thing Windows 7 does where if you have an
SSD as C: and other normal spinning drive(s) connected for large data
files it seems to assume it can use a multi-threaded approach to
extracting the icons for a directory of exe files you've opened in
explorer no matter which drive it's on. In fact for the spinning drives it
just makes it tediously slow and while doing the work the drive emits an
alarmingly loud buzz which can last for 15 seconds or more.


I don't have any SSD's, so I can't comment on that.
--
SC Tom

On 26 Nov 2014 08:43:17 GMT, "Jeff Gaines"
wrote:

On 26/11/2014 in message Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Double Ooops, should be 2.7Mbps and 21Mbps NOT Gb.

That looks like your Internet connection speed.

I was thinking of the home network where, in Win7, I can click on a
network share in Explorer and wait 5 minutes before I can use it.

That has nothing to do with Win 7 in general. It's something specific to
your situation.

On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:59:09 +0000, Brian Gregory
wrote:

What about that stupid stupid thing Windows 7 does where if you have an
SSD as C: and other normal spinning drive(s) connected for large data
files it seems to assume it can use a multi-threaded approach to
extracting the icons for a directory of exe files you've opened in
explorer no matter which drive it's on. In fact for the spinning drives
it just makes it tediously slow and while doing the work the drive emits
an alarmingly loud buzz which can last for 15 seconds or more.

Any drive that emits an alarmingly loud buzz during use should be considered
a prime candidate for full backup and replacement.

On 09/12/2014 in message Char
Jackson wrote:

On 26 Nov 2014 08:43:17 GMT, "Jeff Gaines"
wrote:

On 26/11/2014 in message Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

Double Ooops, should be 2.7Mbps and 21Mbps NOT Gb.

That looks like your Internet connection speed.

I was thinking of the home network where, in Win7, I can click on a
network share in Explorer and wait 5 minutes before I can use it.

That has nothing to do with Win 7 in general. It's something specific to
your situation.

I don't think so. It was fine using XP and there are masses of complaints
and "cures" on the Internet for slow networking in Windows 7 (none of them
work).

--
Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
By the time you can make ends meet they move the ends

On 9 Dec 2014 08:43:19 GMT, "Jeff Gaines"
wrote:

On 09/12/2014 in message Char
Jackson wrote:

On 26 Nov 2014 08:43:17 GMT, "Jeff Gaines"
wrote:

On 26/11/2014 in message Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

Double Ooops, should be 2.7Mbps and 21Mbps NOT Gb.

That looks like your Internet connection speed.

I was thinking of the home network where, in Win7, I can click on a
network share in Explorer and wait 5 minutes before I can use it.

That has nothing to do with Win 7 in general. It's something specific to
your situation.

I don't think so. It was fine using XP and there are masses of complaints
and "cures" on the Internet for slow networking in Windows 7 (none of them
work).

I disagree, but tell us how we can duplicate what you're seeing and maybe a
solution will emerge.

On 09/12/2014 in message Char
Jackson wrote:

I don't think so. It was fine using XP and there are masses of complaints
and "cures" on the Internet for slow networking in Windows 7 (none of them
work).

I disagree, but tell us how we can duplicate what you're seeing and maybe a
solution will emerge.

I'm not sure what you disagree with. Try Googling for Windows 7 networking
problems or slowness and bring yourself up to date.

--
Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
If you ever find something you like buy a lifetime supply because they
will stop making it

On 9 Dec 2014 16:58:06 GMT, "Jeff Gaines"
wrote:

On 09/12/2014 in message Char
Jackson wrote:

I don't think so. It was fine using XP and there are masses of complaints
and "cures" on the Internet for slow networking in Windows 7 (none of them
work).

I disagree, but tell us how we can duplicate what you're seeing and maybe a
solution will emerge.

I'm not sure what you disagree with. Try Googling for Windows 7 networking
problems or slowness and bring yourself up to date.

You don't understand, I think. You can Google for network problems and any
OS and get tons of hits. In all but a few cases, it doesn't mean the OS is
the culprit. It just so happens that people assume it's specific to their
OS, so they report it that way. Then when you search, you find it written
that way. It's a terrible system, but it's all we have.

So how can we duplicate what you're seeing? How should we proceed toward a
solution?

On 09/12/2014 in message Char
Jackson wrote:

So how can we duplicate what you're seeing? How should we proceed toward a
solution?

Use Windows 7 (or Vista which had the same problems) and realise how slow
it is.

I must say from your answers you don't seem to be taking an objective view
- are you trying to become an MVP or are you a MSFT employee?

--
Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
Indecision is the key to flexibility

On 10/12/2014 in message Paul wrote:

You never really know what's going on in there.

Absolutely!

All I know is that networking is horrendously slow in Win7 - I can click
on a network share and then sit waiting while the progress bar moves
across. Never happened in XP on the same kit. It's very widely reported on
Google and acknowledged in reviews so I find it a bit odd when people say
they've not come across it.

I was hoping Win10 would be better but I'll have to wait and see.

--
Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
I take full responsibility for what happened - that is why the person that
was responsible went immediately.
(Gordon Brown, April 2009)

"Jeff Gaines" wrote in message
...
On 10/12/2014 in message Paul wrote:

You never really know what's going on in there.

Absolutely!

All I know is that networking is horrendously slow in Win7 - I can click
on a network share and then sit waiting while the progress bar moves
across. Never happened in XP on the same kit. It's very widely reported on
Google and acknowledged in reviews so I find it a bit odd when people say
they've not come across it.

I was hoping Win10 would be better but I'll have to wait and see.

I haven't experienced the problems you have either, and I have my Win7HP x86
desktop networked to my Win8.1/Win10TP x64 laptop (depending on which I boot
into), and my SO's Win8.1 x64 Lenovo. Connection and transfer times between
all of them are about equal no matter the direction, with no dropped files
or pauses or lagging. I replied to your earlier post with some figures, but
if you need any other tests or any of my settings to compare to yours, I'll
be happy to help.
--
SC Tom

Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 10/12/2014 in message Paul wrote:

You never really know what's going on in there.

Absolutely!

All I know is that networking is horrendously slow in Win7 - I can click
on a network share and then sit waiting while the progress bar moves
across. Never happened in XP on the same kit. It's very widely reported
on Google and acknowledged in reviews so I find it a bit odd when people
say they've not come across it.

I was hoping Win10 would be better but I'll have to wait and see.


Sysinternals ProcMon and Wireshark, are your friends.

The symptoms on my problem are a bit weird, in that
when the file sharing transfer rate is stuck at 20MB/sec,
the trace on the screen almost looks like the rate is
"regulated". Like it's some kind of rate limiter. And
it's only on the WinXP sharing server side. I can pull
a file, using WinXP, from the Win8.1 file sharing,
and get a better rate. So it's not like it's purely
a permanent NIC rate issue, but is application dependent.
Almost like the file sharing server is being told not
to go too fast or something. And this machine hasn't always
been like that. So something I've added is doing it.

Paul

On 10 Dec 2014 08:46:39 GMT, "Jeff Gaines"
wrote:

On 09/12/2014 in message Char
Jackson wrote:

So how can we duplicate what you're seeing? How should we proceed toward a
solution?

Use Windows 7 (or Vista which had the same problems) and realise how slow
it is.

It's fine here, on each of my PCs that run it, so unless you can provide
some information on how to recreate the issue, I guess help will be hard to
come by. Good luck! Please let us know what you find.