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  #46  
Old July 9th 17, 02:56 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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"Ken Springer" wrote

| I don't get much in the way of PDFs anymore. Probably 98% of them or
| more are just common files you download from the internet. The stuff no
| one cares if you copy or not.
|

I find the ones that are locked are typically things
that shouldn't be. The author just didn't understand
what they were doing. I think programs may also vary.
I failed to extract the text of state tax PDF forms using
XPDF, but PDF XChange Viewer had no problem. I figure
that was probably a case of XPDFV ignoring restriction
flags.

There are actually two different issues. The basic
restrictions are just byte flags. Values in the header
that only restrict if the software checks them and
abides by them. It's like putting a read-only flag in
a JPG. One could do it, but it would have no effect
unless all image editors were designed to respect it,
because it wouldn't actually limit access to the image
data.
The other option is a password-protected encryption.
That's probably very rare, but I don't think there's
a way to get around it. At least no easy way.




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  #47  
Old July 9th 17, 04:22 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Mayayana wrote:

The other option is a password-protected encryption.
That's probably very rare, but I don't think there's
a way to get around it. At least no easy way.


There's a cracking industry out there. It doesn't cost
that much, to have a collection of can-openers loaded into
your computer.

In this table, the 256 bit encryption of PDF, is being attacked
bu the usage of GPU cards. The PDF cracker was written using
the CUDA SDK and runs on Nvidia only. Some of their other
stuff, may also include OpenCL code.

https://support.elcomsoft.com/index....msoft-products

If you want to know what the current "effective" encryption
level is, just check to see what the Ransomware distributors
are using. They're probably not using 256 bit.

Paul
  #48  
Old July 9th 17, 07:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Default Does Windows 10 have a way to edit a PDF yet?

On 7/8/17 7:27 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 09/07/2017 02:03, Ken Springer wrote:

I don't get much in the way of PDFs anymore. Probably 98% of them or
more are just common files you download from the internet. The stuff
no one cares if you copy or not.

And if my simple solution works for you, and you end up getting around
everything, who cares what the settings are in the original, since you
now have a copy to work with. :-)


I buy eBooks and most of them have some security feature that makes life
extremely difficult. For example, I like to print few pages once in a
while and take it with me to read while commuting to work. Now if
printing is not allowed, I need to find a way to crack it and online
crackers are the best so far.


Have you tried Calibre? Before I broke my tablets, I had more interest
in ebooks, but at this time I could mostly care less.

http://calibre-ebook.com/


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  #49  
Old July 10th 17, 01:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 06/07/2017 14:44, Neil wrote:
I doubt that any version of an OS is going to do that. A "standard PDF"
is a document intended for output, and even the best tools from Adobe
can only go so far with "editing" them. So, converting them into an
editable format such as Word is the most practical way to achieve what
you want.


+1

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  #50  
Old July 10th 17, 04:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:34:12 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

Have you tried Calibre? Before I broke my tablets, I had more interest
in ebooks, but at this time I could mostly care less.

http://calibre-ebook.com/


Presumably, you mean that you could NOT care less. Sorry, that's one of
my pet peeves. I've always wondered how people get that exactly
backwards. ;-)

Apologies for the interruption.

  #51  
Old July 10th 17, 05:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 10:34:16 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:34:12 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

Have you tried Calibre? Before I broke my tablets, I had more interest
in ebooks, but at this time I could mostly care less.

http://calibre-ebook.com/


Presumably, you mean that you could NOT care less. Sorry, that's one of
my pet peeves. I've always wondered how people get that exactly
backwards. ;-)



I'm with you entirely. But I also recognize that, wrong as it is,
"could care less" is so well-established that I've stopped complaining
about it. It was probably originally meant sarcastically, but these
days, most people don't mean it to be sarcastic, and probably don't
even realize they're saying it backwards.
  #52  
Old July 10th 17, 06:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 7/10/17 10:21 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 10:34:16 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:34:12 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

Have you tried Calibre? Before I broke my tablets, I had more interest
in ebooks, but at this time I could mostly care less.

http://calibre-ebook.com/


Presumably, you mean that you could NOT care less. Sorry, that's one of
my pet peeves. I've always wondered how people get that exactly
backwards. ;-)



I'm with you entirely. But I also recognize that, wrong as it is,
"could care less" is so well-established that I've stopped complaining
about it. It was probably originally meant sarcastically, but these
days, most people don't mean it to be sarcastic, and probably don't
even realize they're saying it backwards.


No offense taken at my end. LOL

What it demonstrates is, the English language is constantly changing, in
a state of flux. At some point, you just have to go with the new.

If you want to seem some good examples of how English changes over the
years, go read some 120 year old newspapers. Sometimes, you just have
to read it 3 or 4 times to finally begin to understand what is being
written.



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  #53  
Old July 10th 17, 06:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10-Jul-17 5:21 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 10:34:16 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:34:12 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

Have you tried Calibre? Before I broke my tablets, I had more interest
in ebooks, but at this time I could mostly care less.

http://calibre-ebook.com/


Presumably, you mean that you could NOT care less. Sorry, that's one of
my pet peeves. I've always wondered how people get that exactly
backwards. ;-)



I'm with you entirely. But I also recognize that, wrong as it is,
"could care less" is so well-established that I've stopped complaining
about it. It was probably originally meant sarcastically, but these
days, most people don't mean it to be sarcastic, and probably don't
even realize they're saying it backwards.



Most folk on the Usenet couldn't care less! ;-)

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  #54  
Old July 10th 17, 08:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Neil wrote:
On 7/6/2017 12:58 AM, Chaya Eve wrote:
Does Windows 10 have a way to edit a standard PDF yet?

Or do I have to still find or buy a PDF to Word converter like in the
olden
days?


I doubt that any version of an OS is going to do that. A "standard PDF"
is a document intended for output, and even the best tools from Adobe
can only go so far with "editing" them. So, converting them into an
editable format such as Word is the most practical way to achieve what
you want.


There's a parallel universe out there.

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1596359

"Bodging it with Word" is great for dealing with your
tax filing documents. However, there can be other sources
of PDFs, which would be ruined by doing that. It depends
on who the document is destined for, or whether a
quick print of a modified image is all that is required.

Adobe Illustrator offers more editing options than some
third-party PDF maker might provide. If you're lucky, the
third-party tool can modify a text string for you (as long
as it is horizontal or vertical). And for many people, that's
all they wanted anyway. And by just changing the letters
in a string, it may be possible to re-emit the PDF without
changing anything else in it.

When I mention importing a PDF into LibreOffice Draw,
that's for the purpose of demonstrating how the PDF can
consist of a number of objects. But doing so, like the Word
case, does not guarantee all the semantics buried in the
original file, will be preserved. For people who
only seek to do a "quick print" where nothing matters,
maybe that's enough for them. The concept shouldn't
be over-sold as being "the only solution". It's good
enough for messing up tax forms, or filling in fixed
format resume sheets for employers.

Paul
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Old July 11th 17, 11:32 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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David B. wrote:


There was little help/advice provided in answer to the question posed
he-

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...e-f76f6d5fa569


Will you, or anyone else for that matter, discuss this query here on
Usenet?


akadns is Akamai, a content distribution network.

They have points of presence all over the world, for best
latency and performance.

The certificate on the site, is designed for the "actual"
URLs, such as answers.microsoft.com.

Nobody invited you to contact the CDN directly and
make an https connection, as the server is not set up
for that purpose.

The advertised link would be answers.microsoft.com and the server
certificate is designed to support that address.

The response you are getting, is up to Akamai and
not Microsoft. Akamai could "adjust" the akadns site
to make a more intelligent response. For example, one
site I go to, when the protocol details aren't working
out on the server end, puts this in large letters on
my screen.

NGINX

403 FORBIDDEN

Well, it's not really forbidden, it's just they needed to
map a particular combination of responses, to a "non-content"
page. And that's what they decided to do. At least then
I have a foggy idea what's wrong, and I switch browsers
to one with more tracking cookie capabilities built-in,
to please them.

In the case of akadns, they treat these addresses as
"infrestructure", so instead they just let the page fail
on the certificate. The akadns server defaults to redirecting
to https. So even if you contact akadns via http, the server
converts all incoming requests to https, then when your client
pulls the certificate, the akadns only has certificate
entries for the rental client (answers.microsoft.com). There is
really no content on the akadns server that Akamai wants
you to see. It's a rental server. So they don't even bother
with a 403 Forbidden message.

In short, I see absolutely nothing out of the ordinary here.

And when I Google "answers.microsoft.com akadns", *your*
discussion threads keep showing up. Only *you* seem to know
how that site is hosted. And only *you* are falling into
that trap. What does that tell you ?

It's like a guy who opens the electrical box in the basement,
sticks his hand into it, and gets an old fashioned shock. Most
people know better than to do that. You on the other hand,
*keep* sticking your hand into the box, and yelling "Jesus that hurts".
Well, as the doctor would say, "stop doing that!".

If you want to see actual content from Akamai, go to their
commercial (entry) page and view that. The akadns is the
rental part of the system, and it's not designed as a form
of entertainment for you. If you contact the server using
the rented URL ("answers.microsoft.com"), then it works just fine.

Paul
  #56  
Old July 11th 17, 12:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 11-Jul-17 11:32 AM, Paul wrote:
David B. wrote:


There was little help/advice provided in answer to the question posed
he-

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...e-f76f6d5fa569


Will you, or anyone else for that matter, discuss this query here on
Usenet?


akadns is Akamai, a content distribution network.

They have points of presence all over the world, for best
latency and performance.

The certificate on the site, is designed for the "actual"
URLs, such as answers.microsoft.com.

Nobody invited you to contact the CDN directly and
make an https connection, as the server is not set up
for that purpose.

The advertised link would be answers.microsoft.com and the server
certificate is designed to support that address.

The response you are getting, is up to Akamai and
not Microsoft. Akamai could "adjust" the akadns site
to make a more intelligent response. For example, one
site I go to, when the protocol details aren't working
out on the server end, puts this in large letters on
my screen.

NGINX

403 FORBIDDEN

Well, it's not really forbidden, it's just they needed to
map a particular combination of responses, to a "non-content"
page. And that's what they decided to do. At least then
I have a foggy idea what's wrong, and I switch browsers
to one with more tracking cookie capabilities built-in,
to please them.

In the case of akadns, they treat these addresses as
"infrestructure", so instead they just let the page fail
on the certificate. The akadns server defaults to redirecting
to https. So even if you contact akadns via http, the server
converts all incoming requests to https, then when your client
pulls the certificate, the akadns only has certificate
entries for the rental client (answers.microsoft.com). There is
really no content on the akadns server that Akamai wants
you to see. It's a rental server. So they don't even bother
with a 403 Forbidden message.

In short, I see absolutely nothing out of the ordinary here.

And when I Google "answers.microsoft.com akadns", *your*
discussion threads keep showing up. Only *you* seem to know
how that site is hosted. And only *you* are falling into
that trap. What does that tell you ?

It's like a guy who opens the electrical box in the basement,
sticks his hand into it, and gets an old fashioned shock. Most
people know better than to do that. You on the other hand,
*keep* sticking your hand into the box, and yelling "Jesus that hurts".
Well, as the doctor would say, "stop doing that!".

If you want to see actual content from Akamai, go to their
commercial (entry) page and view that. The akadns is the
rental part of the system, and it's not designed as a form
of entertainment for you. If you contact the server using
the rented URL ("answers.microsoft.com"), then it works just fine.

Paul


Thank you - I really mean that - for taking the time and trouble to
respond to me, Paul. I'll read it again later too.

I've just been reading he-

https://www.akamai.com/uk/en/support/end-user-faq.jsp

Are you CERTAIN that it is impossible for a 'bunch of bad apples' to
have manipulated the server so that folk are directed to a 'spoof' site
which is *pretending* to be Microsoft Answers?

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Old July 11th 17, 12:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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David B. wrote:

Thank you - I really mean that - for taking the time and trouble to
respond to me, Paul. I'll read it again later too.

I've just been reading he-

https://www.akamai.com/uk/en/support/end-user-faq.jsp

Are you CERTAIN that it is impossible for a 'bunch of bad apples' to
have manipulated the server so that folk are directed to a 'spoof' site
which is *pretending* to be Microsoft Answers?


Sites on the Internet, get hacked all the time.

However, I don't recollect *ever* hearing any stories
about Microsoft equipment. Perhaps nobody is willing to report
such things. (When source code was stolen, it's usually traced
to a "trusted partner" who had a copy of the code.)

In this case, when using a "rent-a-server", you have two
IT departments. And the Microsoft staff would have an account
and login password, for accessing the rent-a-server and uploading
content to it. Or, whatever. As it's a forum, of course the
server adds content to itself, every time a user posts something.

Other than that detail, the site will have just as many exposures
as any other site. Does the site use a database ? Probably.
Could someone do an injection attack on it ? Maybe. I have no
way of knowing how well or how poorly the site is managed,
whether it has automated heuristic protection (Tripwire)
or anything else.

A weakness on small company sites (like say pcper.com or
anandtech forums), is nobody writes their own BBS software.
They buy it. And sometimes bugs are found in BBS software
that makes it attack-prone. What does Microsoft use ? Is
the code written by their own staff, or did they purchase
a product ? That would be a consideration too, as to how
secure it was. Any time you run a forum, the attack surface
is larger than simple web-sites intended to be "read-only
under all circumstances".

Paul
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Old July 11th 17, 03:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop,alt.uk.law
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 10:21:30 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

SNIP_10_YEAR_OLD_OBSOLETE_ARTICLE


Snipped very interesting comments, only to save space


Why snip "very interesting comments" and then go on to ask

Did YOU also write THIS item, Ken?


Which is completely irrelevant to the subject line ? Who on
earth cares who wrote an article 10 years ago ? There are loads of
programs available today that can edit a PDF which didn't exist 10
years ago. Sht, Windows 10 didn't exist 10 years ago.
I'm amazed you even archived the page. Do you keep stuff on
the latest DOS freeware from 1995 too ?

Oh, I forgot:

https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

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Old July 11th 17, 03:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop,alt.uk.law
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 12:27:07 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

Are you CERTAIN that it is impossible for a 'bunch of bad apples' to
have


Probably just one "bad apple".

https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

A "bad apple" tends to ferment. Suggestion for yet another
nick: "Cider". Bad AND pickled in alcohol.
"Byker" is a bad fit for you.
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Old July 11th 17, 03:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 11-Jul-17 3:12 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 10:21:30 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

SNIP_10_YEAR_OLD_OBSOLETE_ARTICLE


Snipped very interesting comments, only to save space


Why snip "very interesting comments" and then go on to ask


Ummm - 'cause I can ..... and I wanted to, OK?

Did YOU also write THIS item, Ken?


Which is completely irrelevant to the subject line ? Who on
earth cares who wrote an article 10 years ago ? There are loads of
programs available today that can edit a PDF which didn't exist 10
years ago. Sht, Windows 10 didn't exist 10 years ago.


So?

I'm amazed you even archived the page. Do you keep stuff on
the latest DOS freeware from 1995 too ?


No ... but you can find it he-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_DOS_games_(T)

Perhaps you should familiarise yourself with the Google Search facility.

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