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Does Windows 10 have a way to edit a PDF yet?
"Ken Springer" wrote
| I don't get much in the way of PDFs anymore. Probably 98% of them or | more are just common files you download from the internet. The stuff no | one cares if you copy or not. | I find the ones that are locked are typically things that shouldn't be. The author just didn't understand what they were doing. I think programs may also vary. I failed to extract the text of state tax PDF forms using XPDF, but PDF XChange Viewer had no problem. I figure that was probably a case of XPDFV ignoring restriction flags. There are actually two different issues. The basic restrictions are just byte flags. Values in the header that only restrict if the software checks them and abides by them. It's like putting a read-only flag in a JPG. One could do it, but it would have no effect unless all image editors were designed to respect it, because it wouldn't actually limit access to the image data. The other option is a password-protected encryption. That's probably very rare, but I don't think there's a way to get around it. At least no easy way. |
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Does Windows 10 have a way to edit a PDF yet?
Mayayana wrote:
The other option is a password-protected encryption. That's probably very rare, but I don't think there's a way to get around it. At least no easy way. There's a cracking industry out there. It doesn't cost that much, to have a collection of can-openers loaded into your computer. In this table, the 256 bit encryption of PDF, is being attacked bu the usage of GPU cards. The PDF cracker was written using the CUDA SDK and runs on Nvidia only. Some of their other stuff, may also include OpenCL code. https://support.elcomsoft.com/index....msoft-products If you want to know what the current "effective" encryption level is, just check to see what the Ransomware distributors are using. They're probably not using 256 bit. Paul |
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Does Windows 10 have a way to edit a PDF yet?
On 7/8/17 7:27 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 09/07/2017 02:03, Ken Springer wrote: I don't get much in the way of PDFs anymore. Probably 98% of them or more are just common files you download from the internet. The stuff no one cares if you copy or not. And if my simple solution works for you, and you end up getting around everything, who cares what the settings are in the original, since you now have a copy to work with. :-) I buy eBooks and most of them have some security feature that makes life extremely difficult. For example, I like to print few pages once in a while and take it with me to read while commuting to work. Now if printing is not allowed, I need to find a way to crack it and online crackers are the best so far. Have you tried Calibre? Before I broke my tablets, I had more interest in ebooks, but at this time I could mostly care less. http://calibre-ebook.com/ -- Ken Mac OS X 10.11.6 Firefox 53.0.2 (64 bit) Thunderbird 52.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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Does Windows 10 have a way to edit a PDF yet?
On 06/07/2017 14:44, Neil wrote:
I doubt that any version of an OS is going to do that. A "standard PDF" is a document intended for output, and even the best tools from Adobe can only go so far with "editing" them. So, converting them into an editable format such as Word is the most practical way to achieve what you want. +1 -- Brian Gregory (in the UK). To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address. |
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Does Windows 10 have a way to edit a PDF yet?
On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:34:12 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote: Have you tried Calibre? Before I broke my tablets, I had more interest in ebooks, but at this time I could mostly care less. http://calibre-ebook.com/ Presumably, you mean that you could NOT care less. Sorry, that's one of my pet peeves. I've always wondered how people get that exactly backwards. ;-) Apologies for the interruption. |
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On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 10:34:16 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote: On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:34:12 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: Have you tried Calibre? Before I broke my tablets, I had more interest in ebooks, but at this time I could mostly care less. http://calibre-ebook.com/ Presumably, you mean that you could NOT care less. Sorry, that's one of my pet peeves. I've always wondered how people get that exactly backwards. ;-) I'm with you entirely. But I also recognize that, wrong as it is, "could care less" is so well-established that I've stopped complaining about it. It was probably originally meant sarcastically, but these days, most people don't mean it to be sarcastic, and probably don't even realize they're saying it backwards. |
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Does Windows 10 have a way to edit a PDF yet?
On 7/10/17 10:21 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 10:34:16 -0500, Char Jackson wrote: On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:34:12 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: Have you tried Calibre? Before I broke my tablets, I had more interest in ebooks, but at this time I could mostly care less. http://calibre-ebook.com/ Presumably, you mean that you could NOT care less. Sorry, that's one of my pet peeves. I've always wondered how people get that exactly backwards. ;-) I'm with you entirely. But I also recognize that, wrong as it is, "could care less" is so well-established that I've stopped complaining about it. It was probably originally meant sarcastically, but these days, most people don't mean it to be sarcastic, and probably don't even realize they're saying it backwards. No offense taken at my end. LOL What it demonstrates is, the English language is constantly changing, in a state of flux. At some point, you just have to go with the new. If you want to seem some good examples of how English changes over the years, go read some 120 year old newspapers. Sometimes, you just have to read it 3 or 4 times to finally begin to understand what is being written. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.11.6 Firefox 53.0.2 (64 bit) Thunderbird 52.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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Does Windows 10 have a way to edit a PDF yet?
On 10-Jul-17 5:21 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 10:34:16 -0500, Char Jackson wrote: On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:34:12 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: Have you tried Calibre? Before I broke my tablets, I had more interest in ebooks, but at this time I could mostly care less. http://calibre-ebook.com/ Presumably, you mean that you could NOT care less. Sorry, that's one of my pet peeves. I've always wondered how people get that exactly backwards. ;-) I'm with you entirely. But I also recognize that, wrong as it is, "could care less" is so well-established that I've stopped complaining about it. It was probably originally meant sarcastically, but these days, most people don't mean it to be sarcastic, and probably don't even realize they're saying it backwards. Most folk on the Usenet couldn't care less! ;-) -- Sometimes man stumbles over the truth. (W.Churchill) |
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Does Windows 10 have a way to edit a PDF yet?
Neil wrote:
On 7/6/2017 12:58 AM, Chaya Eve wrote: Does Windows 10 have a way to edit a standard PDF yet? Or do I have to still find or buy a PDF to Word converter like in the olden days? I doubt that any version of an OS is going to do that. A "standard PDF" is a document intended for output, and even the best tools from Adobe can only go so far with "editing" them. So, converting them into an editable format such as Word is the most practical way to achieve what you want. There's a parallel universe out there. https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1596359 "Bodging it with Word" is great for dealing with your tax filing documents. However, there can be other sources of PDFs, which would be ruined by doing that. It depends on who the document is destined for, or whether a quick print of a modified image is all that is required. Adobe Illustrator offers more editing options than some third-party PDF maker might provide. If you're lucky, the third-party tool can modify a text string for you (as long as it is horizontal or vertical). And for many people, that's all they wanted anyway. And by just changing the letters in a string, it may be possible to re-emit the PDF without changing anything else in it. When I mention importing a PDF into LibreOffice Draw, that's for the purpose of demonstrating how the PDF can consist of a number of objects. But doing so, like the Word case, does not guarantee all the semantics buried in the original file, will be preserved. For people who only seek to do a "quick print" where nothing matters, maybe that's enough for them. The concept shouldn't be over-sold as being "the only solution". It's good enough for messing up tax forms, or filling in fixed format resume sheets for employers. Paul |
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Microsoft Answers query (was - Does Windows 10 have a way toedit a PDF yet?)
David B. wrote:
There was little help/advice provided in answer to the question posed he- https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...e-f76f6d5fa569 Will you, or anyone else for that matter, discuss this query here on Usenet? akadns is Akamai, a content distribution network. They have points of presence all over the world, for best latency and performance. The certificate on the site, is designed for the "actual" URLs, such as answers.microsoft.com. Nobody invited you to contact the CDN directly and make an https connection, as the server is not set up for that purpose. The advertised link would be answers.microsoft.com and the server certificate is designed to support that address. The response you are getting, is up to Akamai and not Microsoft. Akamai could "adjust" the akadns site to make a more intelligent response. For example, one site I go to, when the protocol details aren't working out on the server end, puts this in large letters on my screen. NGINX 403 FORBIDDEN Well, it's not really forbidden, it's just they needed to map a particular combination of responses, to a "non-content" page. And that's what they decided to do. At least then I have a foggy idea what's wrong, and I switch browsers to one with more tracking cookie capabilities built-in, to please them. In the case of akadns, they treat these addresses as "infrestructure", so instead they just let the page fail on the certificate. The akadns server defaults to redirecting to https. So even if you contact akadns via http, the server converts all incoming requests to https, then when your client pulls the certificate, the akadns only has certificate entries for the rental client (answers.microsoft.com). There is really no content on the akadns server that Akamai wants you to see. It's a rental server. So they don't even bother with a 403 Forbidden message. In short, I see absolutely nothing out of the ordinary here. And when I Google "answers.microsoft.com akadns", *your* discussion threads keep showing up. Only *you* seem to know how that site is hosted. And only *you* are falling into that trap. What does that tell you ? It's like a guy who opens the electrical box in the basement, sticks his hand into it, and gets an old fashioned shock. Most people know better than to do that. You on the other hand, *keep* sticking your hand into the box, and yelling "Jesus that hurts". Well, as the doctor would say, "stop doing that!". If you want to see actual content from Akamai, go to their commercial (entry) page and view that. The akadns is the rental part of the system, and it's not designed as a form of entertainment for you. If you contact the server using the rented URL ("answers.microsoft.com"), then it works just fine. Paul |
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Microsoft Answers query (was - Does Windows 10 have a way to edita PDF yet?)
On 11-Jul-17 11:32 AM, Paul wrote:
David B. wrote: There was little help/advice provided in answer to the question posed he- https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...e-f76f6d5fa569 Will you, or anyone else for that matter, discuss this query here on Usenet? akadns is Akamai, a content distribution network. They have points of presence all over the world, for best latency and performance. The certificate on the site, is designed for the "actual" URLs, such as answers.microsoft.com. Nobody invited you to contact the CDN directly and make an https connection, as the server is not set up for that purpose. The advertised link would be answers.microsoft.com and the server certificate is designed to support that address. The response you are getting, is up to Akamai and not Microsoft. Akamai could "adjust" the akadns site to make a more intelligent response. For example, one site I go to, when the protocol details aren't working out on the server end, puts this in large letters on my screen. NGINX 403 FORBIDDEN Well, it's not really forbidden, it's just they needed to map a particular combination of responses, to a "non-content" page. And that's what they decided to do. At least then I have a foggy idea what's wrong, and I switch browsers to one with more tracking cookie capabilities built-in, to please them. In the case of akadns, they treat these addresses as "infrestructure", so instead they just let the page fail on the certificate. The akadns server defaults to redirecting to https. So even if you contact akadns via http, the server converts all incoming requests to https, then when your client pulls the certificate, the akadns only has certificate entries for the rental client (answers.microsoft.com). There is really no content on the akadns server that Akamai wants you to see. It's a rental server. So they don't even bother with a 403 Forbidden message. In short, I see absolutely nothing out of the ordinary here. And when I Google "answers.microsoft.com akadns", *your* discussion threads keep showing up. Only *you* seem to know how that site is hosted. And only *you* are falling into that trap. What does that tell you ? It's like a guy who opens the electrical box in the basement, sticks his hand into it, and gets an old fashioned shock. Most people know better than to do that. You on the other hand, *keep* sticking your hand into the box, and yelling "Jesus that hurts". Well, as the doctor would say, "stop doing that!". If you want to see actual content from Akamai, go to their commercial (entry) page and view that. The akadns is the rental part of the system, and it's not designed as a form of entertainment for you. If you contact the server using the rented URL ("answers.microsoft.com"), then it works just fine. Paul Thank you - I really mean that - for taking the time and trouble to respond to me, Paul. I'll read it again later too. I've just been reading he- https://www.akamai.com/uk/en/support/end-user-faq.jsp Are you CERTAIN that it is impossible for a 'bunch of bad apples' to have manipulated the server so that folk are directed to a 'spoof' site which is *pretending* to be Microsoft Answers? -- David B. |
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Microsoft Answers query (was - Does Windows 10 have a way toedit a PDF yet?)
David B. wrote:
Thank you - I really mean that - for taking the time and trouble to respond to me, Paul. I'll read it again later too. I've just been reading he- https://www.akamai.com/uk/en/support/end-user-faq.jsp Are you CERTAIN that it is impossible for a 'bunch of bad apples' to have manipulated the server so that folk are directed to a 'spoof' site which is *pretending* to be Microsoft Answers? Sites on the Internet, get hacked all the time. However, I don't recollect *ever* hearing any stories about Microsoft equipment. Perhaps nobody is willing to report such things. (When source code was stolen, it's usually traced to a "trusted partner" who had a copy of the code.) In this case, when using a "rent-a-server", you have two IT departments. And the Microsoft staff would have an account and login password, for accessing the rent-a-server and uploading content to it. Or, whatever. As it's a forum, of course the server adds content to itself, every time a user posts something. Other than that detail, the site will have just as many exposures as any other site. Does the site use a database ? Probably. Could someone do an injection attack on it ? Maybe. I have no way of knowing how well or how poorly the site is managed, whether it has automated heuristic protection (Tripwire) or anything else. A weakness on small company sites (like say pcper.com or anandtech forums), is nobody writes their own BBS software. They buy it. And sometimes bugs are found in BBS software that makes it attack-prone. What does Microsoft use ? Is the code written by their own staff, or did they purchase a product ? That would be a consideration too, as to how secure it was. Any time you run a forum, the attack surface is larger than simple web-sites intended to be "read-only under all circumstances". Paul |
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 10:21:30 +0100, "David B."
wrote: SNIP_10_YEAR_OLD_OBSOLETE_ARTICLE Snipped very interesting comments, only to save space Why snip "very interesting comments" and then go on to ask Did YOU also write THIS item, Ken? Which is completely irrelevant to the subject line ? Who on earth cares who wrote an article 10 years ago ? There are loads of programs available today that can edit a PDF which didn't exist 10 years ago. Sht, Windows 10 didn't exist 10 years ago. I'm amazed you even archived the page. Do you keep stuff on the latest DOS freeware from 1995 too ? Oh, I forgot: https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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Microsoft Answers query (was - Does Windows 10 have a way to edit a PDF yet?)
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 12:27:07 +0100, "David B."
wrote: Are you CERTAIN that it is impossible for a 'bunch of bad apples' to have Probably just one "bad apple". https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php A "bad apple" tends to ferment. Suggestion for yet another nick: "Cider". Bad AND pickled in alcohol. "Byker" is a bad fit for you. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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On 11-Jul-17 3:12 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 10:21:30 +0100, "David B." wrote: SNIP_10_YEAR_OLD_OBSOLETE_ARTICLE Snipped very interesting comments, only to save space Why snip "very interesting comments" and then go on to ask Ummm - 'cause I can ..... and I wanted to, OK? Did YOU also write THIS item, Ken? Which is completely irrelevant to the subject line ? Who on earth cares who wrote an article 10 years ago ? There are loads of programs available today that can edit a PDF which didn't exist 10 years ago. Sht, Windows 10 didn't exist 10 years ago. So? I'm amazed you even archived the page. Do you keep stuff on the latest DOS freeware from 1995 too ? No ... but you can find it he- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_DOS_games_(T) Perhaps you should familiarise yourself with the Google Search facility. -- David B. |
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