Driver Backup for Windows 10 Pro Desktop

I have a 4 YO HP i7 CPU Desktop that gets progressively slower
over time. I have a new 480 GB SSD that I'm about to use to
replace the 1TB SATA drive that came with it. But I want a clean
install to get rid of the progressive slowness.

The HP came with Windows 8.1 and has been upgraded to Windows 10
Pro, Version 1809 after MS labeled me a "seeker" and updated me
last week. HP's website tells me that I can't expect any drivers
from them if I do a clean install, they'll only support what came
with my desktop 4 years ago (Windows 8.1).

I have Googled for "device driver backup" and looked at various
options. None seem good. I did see the Tenforums thing about
going into command prompt and backing up the drivers with a
command: dism /online /export-driver /destination: G:\Driver
Backup". That worked. But I'd like a cleaner Windows program to
back up and restore drivers after my clean install.

Do you have any ideas?

Thanks in advance for your help.

PS: Am I correct in thinking that I need to back up and restore
all the drivers that my Desktop now needs?

Kirk Bubul wrote:
I have a 4 YO HP i7 CPU Desktop that gets progressively slower
over time. I have a new 480 GB SSD that I'm about to use to
replace the 1TB SATA drive that came with it. But I want a clean
install to get rid of the progressive slowness.

The HP came with Windows 8.1 and has been upgraded to Windows 10
Pro, Version 1809 after MS labeled me a "seeker" and updated me
last week. HP's website tells me that I can't expect any drivers
from them if I do a clean install, they'll only support what came
with my desktop 4 years ago (Windows 8.1).

I have Googled for "device driver backup" and looked at various
options. None seem good. I did see the Tenforums thing about
going into command prompt and backing up the drivers with a
command: dism /online /export-driver /destination: G:\Driver
Backup". That worked. But I'd like a cleaner Windows program to
back up and restore drivers after my clean install.

Do you have any ideas?

Thanks in advance for your help.

PS: Am I correct in thinking that I need to back up and restore
all the drivers that my Desktop now needs?


This would be my sequence.

1) Clone existing disk to SSD *right now*.

2) Boot Windows 10 SSD, use a browser, Google for
"download Windows 10 DVD". You will be given
MediaCreationTool. At a bare minimum you want an
ISO9660 file. You can have the tool burn a DVD for
greatest flexibility. The advantage of the
Windows10.iso file, is that you can right-click
and "mount" it, to have the content displayed as
a virtual optical drive.

3) With the Windows10.iso mounted (or with a physical
DVD with that same content inserted in the optical drive),
execute "Setup.exe" off the DVD. The virtual DVD loads
slightly faster.

This will kick off a Repair Install of Windows 10.
The old C:\Windows folder becomes C:\Windows.old (15-25GB).
The new Windows will be in C:\Windows.

The C:\Windows.old is more than just the old Windows
folder, and can also contain Program Files content
in some cases. It exists, to give the opportunity to
"revert" or "roll back" if something goes wrong.

4) If you're happy with the Repair install, the next
step is cleanmgr.exe . Click the button that has to
do with cleaning up System files, and the dialog will
disappear for about 30 seconds, before it presents
a list of what can be cleaned. All that really needs
to be cleaned at this time, is the Windows.old (15-25GB).
In particular, avoid ticking the "Downloads" folder, as
this will delete C:\users\kirk\Downloads, which invariably
contains a ton of useful stuff!

This process will not particularly clean the registry.
It still needs registry entries corresponding to all the
user programs that were kept by doing a Repair Install.

5) The repaired OS will use the same drivers you had
way back in step (1).

If you have an excess of RAM on the system, you can

Administrator cmd.exe

powercfg /h off # deletes hiberfile, prevents hibernation,
# stops Fast Start (kernel hibernation)

control
system panel # or perhaps try system.cpl
(pagefile) # Set the pagefile to a smaller value
# I use 1GB fixed pagefile size, for both
# min and max value.

Step (5) will reduce waste on the SSD C: volume.

After the install is finished, you can do Properties
on C: , use the Tools tab, and select Optimize. The
new SSD will offer "TRIM" as the option, which will
finish in a couple seconds. This causes the driver to
tell the SSD which clusters are not being used, and
those clusters can be added to the SSD internal free
pool.

For some "select" drivers, you might want to install
them manually yourself. You can use Start : Right-click and
select Device Manager and verify the NVidia driver number.
It's the last five or so digits "4.17.01 = 417.01". You
can install that driver, and tick the additional
cruftware that NVidia bundles... if you dare.

If you have RealTek hardware, you can install a RealTek
driver, which will give you the goofy looking control
panel they offer. Which can have some advantages over
the generic-looking Windows version of the same. You could
set special effects, change the channels to 7.1 or whatever.

The NIC driver, the USB drivers, could very well be fine
and not need help.

Paul

On 12/23/2018 3:51 AM, Kirk Bubul wrote:
I have a 4 YO HP i7 CPU Desktop that gets progressively slower
over time. I have a new 480 GB SSD that I'm about to use to
replace the 1TB SATA drive that came with it. But I want a clean
install to get rid of the progressive slowness.

The HP came with Windows 8.1 and has been upgraded to Windows 10
Pro, Version 1809 after MS labeled me a "seeker" and updated me
last week. HP's website tells me that I can't expect any drivers
from them if I do a clean install, they'll only support what came
with my desktop 4 years ago (Windows 8.1).

I have Googled for "device driver backup" and looked at various
options. None seem good. I did see the Tenforums thing about
going into command prompt and backing up the drivers with a
command: dism /online /export-driver /destination: G:\Driver
Backup". That worked. But I'd like a cleaner Windows program to
back up and restore drivers after my clean install.

Do you have any ideas?

Thanks in advance for your help.

PS: Am I correct in thinking that I need to back up and restore
all the drivers that my Desktop now needs?

I've had good luck with this
https://double-driver.en.softonic.com/
Suggest you run this in addition to Paul's advice.
You can never have too many recovery options.

On 23/12/2018 11:51, Kirk Bubul wrote:
I have a 4 YO HP i7 CPU Desktop that gets progressively slower
over time. I have a new 480 GB SSD that I'm about to use to
replace the 1TB SATA drive that came with it. But I want a clean
install to get rid of the progressive slowness.

The HP came with Windows 8.1 and has been upgraded to Windows 10
Pro, Version 1809 after MS labeled me a "seeker" and updated me
last week. HP's website tells me that I can't expect any drivers
from them if I do a clean install, they'll only support what came
with my desktop 4 years ago (Windows 8.1).

I have Googled for "device driver backup" and looked at various
options. None seem good. I did see the Tenforums thing about
going into command prompt and backing up the drivers with a
command: dism /online /export-driver /destination: G:\Driver
Backup". That worked. But I'd like a cleaner Windows program to
back up and restore drivers after my clean install.

Do you have any ideas?

Thanks in advance for your help.

PS: Am I correct in thinking that I need to back up and restore
all the drivers that my Desktop now needs?

To backup your drivers you need to use this command as *Administrator*:

Export-WindowsDriver -Online -Destination E:\DriverBackup

E:\DriverBackup is a folder on your external drive or whatever and
wherever you want to save these backups.

This is a PowerShell command so you need to launch it to use this
command. If you don't know how to do this then you will need to ask a
IT Technician to do it for you.




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Thank you for the fulsome instructions. I will be doing all
this next week because the only doctors' appointments we have are
one local trip and not any to the city. (When you live in a tiny
bedroom town 30 miles from Chattanooga, Chattanooga is a "city.")
Hope you have a Merry Christmas!


On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 07:23:57 -0500, Paul
wrote:

Kirk Bubul wrote:
I have a 4 YO HP i7 CPU Desktop that gets progressively slower
over time. I have a new 480 GB SSD that I'm about to use to
replace the 1TB SATA drive that came with it. But I want a clean
install to get rid of the progressive slowness.

The HP came with Windows 8.1 and has been upgraded to Windows 10
Pro, Version 1809 after MS labeled me a "seeker" and updated me
last week. HP's website tells me that I can't expect any drivers
from them if I do a clean install, they'll only support what came
with my desktop 4 years ago (Windows 8.1).

I have Googled for "device driver backup" and looked at various
options. None seem good. I did see the Tenforums thing about
going into command prompt and backing up the drivers with a
command: dism /online /export-driver /destination: G:\Driver
Backup". That worked. But I'd like a cleaner Windows program to
back up and restore drivers after my clean install.

Do you have any ideas?

Thanks in advance for your help.

PS: Am I correct in thinking that I need to back up and restore
all the drivers that my Desktop now needs?


This would be my sequence.

1) Clone existing disk to SSD *right now*.

2) Boot Windows 10 SSD, use a browser, Google for
"download Windows 10 DVD". You will be given
MediaCreationTool. At a bare minimum you want an
ISO9660 file. You can have the tool burn a DVD for
greatest flexibility. The advantage of the
Windows10.iso file, is that you can right-click
and "mount" it, to have the content displayed as
a virtual optical drive.

3) With the Windows10.iso mounted (or with a physical
DVD with that same content inserted in the optical drive),
execute "Setup.exe" off the DVD. The virtual DVD loads
slightly faster.

This will kick off a Repair Install of Windows 10.
The old C:\Windows folder becomes C:\Windows.old (15-25GB).
The new Windows will be in C:\Windows.

The C:\Windows.old is more than just the old Windows
folder, and can also contain Program Files content
in some cases. It exists, to give the opportunity to
"revert" or "roll back" if something goes wrong.

4) If you're happy with the Repair install, the next
step is cleanmgr.exe . Click the button that has to
do with cleaning up System files, and the dialog will
disappear for about 30 seconds, before it presents
a list of what can be cleaned. All that really needs
to be cleaned at this time, is the Windows.old (15-25GB).
In particular, avoid ticking the "Downloads" folder, as
this will delete C:\users\kirk\Downloads, which invariably
contains a ton of useful stuff!

This process will not particularly clean the registry.
It still needs registry entries corresponding to all the
user programs that were kept by doing a Repair Install.

5) The repaired OS will use the same drivers you had
way back in step (1).

If you have an excess of RAM on the system, you can

Administrator cmd.exe

powercfg /h off # deletes hiberfile, prevents hibernation,
# stops Fast Start (kernel hibernation)

control
system panel # or perhaps try system.cpl
(pagefile) # Set the pagefile to a smaller value
# I use 1GB fixed pagefile size, for both
# min and max value.

Step (5) will reduce waste on the SSD C: volume.

After the install is finished, you can do Properties
on C: , use the Tools tab, and select Optimize. The
new SSD will offer "TRIM" as the option, which will
finish in a couple seconds. This causes the driver to
tell the SSD which clusters are not being used, and
those clusters can be added to the SSD internal free
pool.

For some "select" drivers, you might want to install
them manually yourself. You can use Start : Right-click and
select Device Manager and verify the NVidia driver number.
It's the last five or so digits "4.17.01 = 417.01". You
can install that driver, and tick the additional
cruftware that NVidia bundles... if you dare.

If you have RealTek hardware, you can install a RealTek
driver, which will give you the goofy looking control
panel they offer. Which can have some advantages over
the generic-looking Windows version of the same. You could
set special effects, change the channels to 7.1 or whatever.

The NIC driver, the USB drivers, could very well be fine
and not need help.

Paul

On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 04:39:14 -0800, Mike
wrote:

On 12/23/2018 3:51 AM, Kirk Bubul wrote:
I have a 4 YO HP i7 CPU Desktop that gets progressively slower
over time. I have a new 480 GB SSD that I'm about to use to
replace the 1TB SATA drive that came with it. But I want a clean
install to get rid of the progressive slowness.

The HP came with Windows 8.1 and has been upgraded to Windows 10
Pro, Version 1809 after MS labeled me a "seeker" and updated me
last week. HP's website tells me that I can't expect any drivers
from them if I do a clean install, they'll only support what came
with my desktop 4 years ago (Windows 8.1).

I have Googled for "device driver backup" and looked at various
options. None seem good. I did see the Tenforums thing about
going into command prompt and backing up the drivers with a
command: dism /online /export-driver /destination: G:\Driver
Backup". That worked. But I'd like a cleaner Windows program to
back up and restore drivers after my clean install.

Do you have any ideas?

Thanks in advance for your help.

PS: Am I correct in thinking that I need to back up and restore
all the drivers that my Desktop now needs?

I've had good luck with this
https://double-driver.en.softonic.com/
Suggest you run this in addition to Paul's advice.
You can never have too many recovery options.

I saw Double Driver in my Googling, but was taken aback by the
fact that it was created in 2010 and mentioned Windows XP as the
latest version of Windows. But, based on your suggestion, I
downloaded it and it has now just finished its backup.

Thanks for the advice. Merry Christmas!

😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
If you don't know how to do this then you will need to ask a IT
Technician to do it for you.

**** off, troll.

On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 07:23:57 -0500, Paul
wrote:

This would be my sequence.

1) Clone existing disk to SSD *right now*.
Stumbled a bit putting in the new SSD into the HP box, but
finally got it initialized after seeing in Device Manager that it
wasn't a problem with getting the cables right.

Then the Acronis True Image OEM cloning app that came with my SSD
just blackened the screen for 30 minutes until I killed it by
pressing the on/off switch. So I tried Macrium Reflect Free and
finally, with reading the Macrium manual and trial and error I
figured out how to clone from a 1 TB drive to a 480 GB SSD. I am
now booted from the SSD, and it is much faster, but not as speedy
as when the HP was new.

I intend to use your instruction sheet to do the repair install
later in the week. I prepared an 1809 booter USB using the Media
Creation Tool about a week ago, so it's missing only the security
update that put me to Version 1809/17763.195.

All in all, a good Christmas Eve day. Thank you again for your
help and guide.

Merry Christmas!



2) Boot Windows 10 SSD, use a browser, Google for
"download Windows 10 DVD". You will be given
MediaCreationTool. At a bare minimum you want an
ISO9660 file. You can have the tool burn a DVD for
greatest flexibility. The advantage of the
Windows10.iso file, is that you can right-click
and "mount" it, to have the content displayed as
a virtual optical drive.

On 12/23/2018 07:44 AM, The Man in the High Castle wrote:
😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
If you don't know how to do this then you will need to ask a IT
Technician to do it for you.

**** off, troll.

My sister's new underpants are so soft!!!! I love them!!!!

On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 13:33:15 -0600, Kirk Bubul
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 07:23:57 -0500, Paul
wrote:

This would be my sequence.

1) Clone existing disk to SSD *right now*.
Stumbled a bit putting in the new SSD into the HP box, but
finally got it initialized after seeing in Device Manager that it
wasn't a problem with getting the cables right.

Then the Acronis True Image OEM cloning app that came with my SSD
just blackened the screen for 30 minutes until I killed it by
pressing the on/off switch. So I tried Macrium Reflect Free and
finally, with reading the Macrium manual and trial and error I
figured out how to clone from a 1 TB drive to a 480 GB SSD. I am
now booted from the SSD, and it is much faster, but not as speedy
as when the HP was new.

I intend to use your instruction sheet to do the repair install
later in the week. I prepared an 1809 booter USB using the Media
Creation Tool about a week ago, so it's missing only the security
update that put me to Version 1809/17763.195.

All in all, a good Christmas Eve day. Thank you again for your
help and guide.

Merry Christmas!



2) Boot Windows 10 SSD, use a browser, Google for
"download Windows 10 DVD". You will be given
MediaCreationTool. At a bare minimum you want an
ISO9660 file. You can have the tool burn a DVD for
greatest flexibility. The advantage of the
Windows10.iso file, is that you can right-click
and "mount" it, to have the content displayed as
a virtual optical drive.


Ping: Paul.

So the first time I restarted the HP, I hit ESC and chose F9 to
select the boot menu. These was both the HDD and the SSD to
chose from. I selected the SSD and booted into the cloned drive,
albeit faster. HOWEVER, later boots using the ESCF9 trick don't
give me the opportunity to select the SSD drive.

Any ideas why not?

Kirk Bubul wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 13:33:15 -0600, Kirk Bubul
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 07:23:57 -0500, Paul
wrote:

This would be my sequence.

1) Clone existing disk to SSD *right now*.
Stumbled a bit putting in the new SSD into the HP box, but
finally got it initialized after seeing in Device Manager that it
wasn't a problem with getting the cables right.

Then the Acronis True Image OEM cloning app that came with my SSD
just blackened the screen for 30 minutes until I killed it by
pressing the on/off switch. So I tried Macrium Reflect Free and
finally, with reading the Macrium manual and trial and error I
figured out how to clone from a 1 TB drive to a 480 GB SSD. I am
now booted from the SSD, and it is much faster, but not as speedy
as when the HP was new.

I intend to use your instruction sheet to do the repair install
later in the week. I prepared an 1809 booter USB using the Media
Creation Tool about a week ago, so it's missing only the security
update that put me to Version 1809/17763.195.

All in all, a good Christmas Eve day. Thank you again for your
help and guide.

Merry Christmas!


2) Boot Windows 10 SSD, use a browser, Google for
"download Windows 10 DVD". You will be given
MediaCreationTool. At a bare minimum you want an
ISO9660 file. You can have the tool burn a DVD for
greatest flexibility. The advantage of the
Windows10.iso file, is that you can right-click
and "mount" it, to have the content displayed as
a virtual optical drive.


Ping: Paul.

So the first time I restarted the HP, I hit ESC and chose F9 to
select the boot menu. These was both the HDD and the SSD to
chose from. I selected the SSD and booted into the cloned drive,
albeit faster. HOWEVER, later boots using the ESCF9 trick don't
give me the opportunity to select the SSD drive.

Any ideas why not?

I've been playing with a GPT setup the last couple of dats
(GPT partitioning), and they do behave a bit differently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table

MSDOS partitioning uses the MBR partition table (64 bytes)
for information storage. There is an extension mechanism
that allows more than four primary partitions. GPT on
the other hand, has a separate 128MB partition table, with a
partition definition slot per 1MB entry. This gives a much
easier, "flatter looking", partition setups, where each
partition is the same color in Disk Management.

Something I was reading, suggested the BIOS can keep
NVRAM variables related to booting. Rather than the disk
contents being the only variable, the BIOS itself can
screw up. The BIOS behavior was bad back in the EFI era,
and better in the UEFI era.

You can use Disk Management (right-click Start and it
should be in there), to examine your disks and try to
determine what they're using for a setup.

https://i.postimg.cc/5y4yMTCZ/a-bit-broken.gif

What's happening in my example, is the disk has
two EFI partitions, each with a Boot Manager inside,
and the BIOS has detected and listed both of them.
This is not a normal thing, and something I contrived
for experimental purposes. An installer won't do that
on its own.

And the great part in that example, is it doesn't have
the word GPT on the screen. You'll notice the disk has
"too many partitions for MSDOS partitioning", which is
one indicator. With MSDOS partitioning, the disk can
use Extended/Logical partitions and have more than
four, except Disk Management uses colors for the
Extended/Logical ones to show their container nature.
The above picture, the partitions are "flat" with no
sign of an extension mechanism.

*******

Cloning with Macrium, Macrium alters the BCD contents
for modern OSes, so that there is no unintentional
"coupling" between disks. This is a good thing, and
is supposed to prevent, say, the Pagefile on the rotating
drive being used while the SSD is booted.

If you were to select a "non-smart-copy" type of clone,
which makes too exact of a copy, it's possible the two disks
could interact on first boot. In the past this was fixed
by recloning, as it wasn't clear what repair work was
needed to stop that.

The "rule of thumb" used to be, with the older OSes,
you boot the "clone drive" with the "source drive"
removed from the computer, on the first boot. After
the clone has booted by itself just one time, you
can reconnect the rotating drive and all should be
fine. You should be able to boot either drive from
the BIOS menu at that point.

I've not been seeing a problem with the Macrium
clones to date.

In the Macrium "Other Tasks : Edit Defaults", under
the "Backup Tab", under "Compression" has
"Intelligent Sector Copy (recommended)" radio button
selected. And that also encourages Macrium to do
boot repair, modify the BCD for least problems.
If you selected "Make an Exact Copy...", that might
imply too much of a good thing, and require the
"boot the clone the first time by itself" sort of
thing. Making an Exact Copy implies the user wants
a forensic quality copy, rather than a "convenience"
quality copy. The convenience of the Intelligent method,
is to make the boot gubbins work better. This can
include changing the DiskID in the MBR, and altering
the GUID values in the OS partition registry and in
the system partition /boot and BCD file.

Volume Identifiers (VolumeID) is a per partition thing,
and I think it's OK for those to be duplicated. You can try:

vol C:

to read out the eight character hex value per partition.

The DiskID, of which there is only one per disk, can
be discovered with diskpart utility.

diskpart
list disk
select disk 1
detail disk === will show Disk ID, each disk
exit must be a different value or
the duplicate disk will go Offline

You must select each disk in turn, to carry out
a "detail disk".

If you boot the hard drive, both the hard drive and the
SSD drive should be in Disk Management. If the SSD has
disappeared entirely, check that the cable hasn't fallen
off. (First generation SATA data cables have poor retention
characteristics and can fall off.)

First you gather some evidence, to see what you're dealing
with, as re-cloning doesn't guarantee that the same thing
won't happen again. Especially if this is a BIOS detail
of some sort that other people aren't seeing.

Paul

Kirk Bubul wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 13:33:15 -0600, Kirk Bubul
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 07:23:57 -0500, Paul
wrote:

This would be my sequence.

1) Clone existing disk to SSD *right now*.
Stumbled a bit putting in the new SSD into the HP box, but
finally got it initialized after seeing in Device Manager that it
wasn't a problem with getting the cables right.

Then the Acronis True Image OEM cloning app that came with my SSD
just blackened the screen for 30 minutes until I killed it by
pressing the on/off switch. So I tried Macrium Reflect Free and
finally, with reading the Macrium manual and trial and error I
figured out how to clone from a 1 TB drive to a 480 GB SSD. I am
now booted from the SSD, and it is much faster, but not as speedy
as when the HP was new.

I intend to use your instruction sheet to do the repair install
later in the week. I prepared an 1809 booter USB using the Media
Creation Tool about a week ago, so it's missing only the security
update that put me to Version 1809/17763.195.

All in all, a good Christmas Eve day. Thank you again for your
help and guide.

Merry Christmas!


2) Boot Windows 10 SSD, use a browser, Google for
"download Windows 10 DVD". You will be given
MediaCreationTool. At a bare minimum you want an
ISO9660 file. You can have the tool burn a DVD for
greatest flexibility. The advantage of the
Windows10.iso file, is that you can right-click
and "mount" it, to have the content displayed as
a virtual optical drive.


Ping: Paul.

So the first time I restarted the HP, I hit ESC and chose F9 to
select the boot menu. These was both the HDD and the SSD to
chose from. I selected the SSD and booted into the cloned drive,
albeit faster. HOWEVER, later boots using the ESCF9 trick don't
give me the opportunity to select the SSD drive.

Any ideas why not?

While this article covers a command called "bcdboot", it
also hints at some of the possibilities in UEFI setups
(if that is what yours is using). Whatever Win8 uses,
Win10 should work very similarly.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/pre...24874(v=win.10)

Paul

On 23/12/2018 11:51, Kirk Bubul wrote:
I have a 4 YO HP i7 CPU Desktop that gets progressively slower
over time.

What exactly is the Model Name/Number?

On Tue, 25 Dec 2018 09:27:27 +0000, Patrick
wrote:

On 23/12/2018 11:51, Kirk Bubul wrote:
I have a 4 YO HP i7 CPU Desktop that gets progressively slower
over time.

What exactly is the Model Name/Number?

HP Envy 700-210XT CTO. Born in early 2014.

On 12/24/2018 12:33 PM, Kirk Bubul wrote:
I prepared an 1809 booter USB using the Media
Creation Tool about a week ago, so it's missing only the security
update that put me to Version 1809/17763.195.


The Media Creation Tool creates 1809 RTM as released.
Windows Update during the install will update the device for most
devices to 17763.134 then on a subsequent restart, update with the
latest Servicing Stack[KB 4470788 12/4/18], followed by subsequent(one
or more x.164, x.194, x.195)

If Windows Update does not install the Servicing Stack, it can be
downloaded from the MSFT Catalog.
http://www.catalog.update.microsoft....px?q=kb4470788

The Servicing Stack update per MSFT's recommendation should be installed
before KB4469342 17763.164 and later builds.

Also, of note...MSFT doesn't label a user or device as a 'seeker'.
- A seeker is self-tagged and defined by manually running Windows
Update to check for updates.


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msft mvp 2007-2018