Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005

I have my old XP installation disk as above,
together with an "updates for version 2005" disk.

Can I load this up on a separate HDD for use with
old software?

On 02 Jan 2019, Peter Jason wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Can I load this up on a separate HDD for use with
old software?

What do you mean by that, "for use with old software"? What software?

Peter Jason wrote:
I have my old XP installation disk as above,
together with an "updates for version 2005" disk.

Can I load this up on a separate HDD for use with
old software?

If the disc was purchased at Retail and you are no
longer using the OS on any physical computer, then
you could install it using your Retail license key.
This effectively "moves" the key to your new install,
and invalidates the old install. If you have done
this too many times, the attempt to license will
fail (where "too many times" is a value at the
discretion of Microsoft). A Retail SKU from that
era, might have come in a nice cardboard box suitable
for your software shelf, and the box will have details
as to whether it's Retail, System Builder OEM, or
whatever. The non-reusable license key products
generally come in "slimmer" packaging.

Certain releases of WinXP need the license key at
installation time. It's possible SP3 can be installed
without inserting the key right away. SP2 needed
the key, as far as I can remember, or the install
won't start.

Mixing a WinXP OS with a Coffee Lake computer is a
non-starter, as there might not be video drivers
for Intel Graphics, an AHCI driver to F6 in at the
very first step of a WinXP install. And the computer
might not have a floppy drive, to accept a floppy
presented driver. WinXP isn't all that "friendly"
with regard to driver issues. The only way to get
WinXP on my new computer, was by flipping the SATA
ports to non-AHCI mode (aka "IDE"). And when you do that,
then the other OSes won't boot and so on. Multibooting
then becomes a pain in the ass.

The video card companies have also stopped making
"new" 32 bit drivers, so if you wanted to install
Windows 10 32 bit on a separate partition and
run the old software that way, there may not be
a brand new 32 bit driver for your video card.
However, a two year old driver might still work.

The staff at the Smithsonian museum know how to do
these installs :-)

Paul

On 3-1-2019 9:32, Paul wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
I have my old XP installation disk as above,
together with an "updates for version 2005" disk.

Can I load this up on a separate HDD for use with
old software?

cut
If the disc was purchased at Retail and you are no
longer using the OS on any physical computer, then
Certain releases of WinXP need the license key at
installation time. It's possible SP3 can be installed
without inserting the key right away. SP2 needed
the key, as far as I can remember, or the install
won't start.
No service pack for XP needs a key, just the original XP install.

Sjouke Burry wrote:
On 3-1-2019 9:32, Paul wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
I have my old XP installation disk as above,
together with an "updates for version 2005" disk.

Can I load this up on a separate HDD for use with
old software?

cut
If the disc was purchased at Retail and you are no
longer using the OS on any physical computer, then
Certain releases of WinXP need the license key at
installation time. It's possible SP3 can be installed
without inserting the key right away. SP2 needed
the key, as far as I can remember, or the install
won't start.
No service pack for XP needs a key, just the original XP install.

Releases of WinXP were sold, already patched
to various Service Pack levels.

The behavior of the discs vary.

Discs are available as

WinXP Gold
WinXP Sp1
WinXP Sp1a (MSJava removed)
WinXP Sp2
WinXP Sp3 (what I bought, the only one I have on file here)

As well, Service Pack files (example WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe,
WindowsXP-KB936929-SP3-x86-ENU.exe) can be used to bring any
release, to any other release level. They can be executed
from an installed OS, or slipstreamed with the right tools.

https://superuser.com/questions/8357...3-installation

https://www.itprotoday.com/windows-x...ice-pack-3-faq

"Product Key-less install option. As with Windows Vista,
new XP with SP3 installs can proceed without entering
a product key during Setup."

Which means something different happened with previous discs.

I don't have a web page that charts all the responses.

Even Windows 10 had some problems with this, and
clicking the Next button on some early versions of Win10
resulted in the inability to move to the next page
of the installer. Later versions worked consistently,
in supporting "Next" with no key present.

*******

Win8 and Win8.1 are similarly set up, to require a
key before installation begins. For those, some
installation-only keys are available. If you enter
these, you can finish a Win8 install, then have
30 days grace to type in the actual key.

Windows 8.0 Pro: XKY4K-2NRWR-8F6P2-448RF-CRYQH
Windows 8.0 Co FB4WR-32NVD-4RW79-XQFWH-CYQG3

Windows 8.1 Pro: XHQ8N-C3MCJ-RQXB6-WCHYG-C9WKB
Windows 8.1 Co 334NH-RXG76-64THK-C7CKG-D3VPT

A reddit thread suggests the blocked versions of WinXP
have keys suitable for bypass usage too, known to IT people.

WinXP versions also vary in their usage of PAE and NX.
PAE (a page table format) is mandatory on WinXP SP3
in order to support NX (No Execute), the marking of
mapped sections of memory so that malware cannot
execute things like stack overflows. PAE page table
mode is more expensive in terms of hardware lookup
cycles, but the later processors were fast enough
that this was no longer an issue. There was a time
when processors only had 300MB/sec of memory bandwidth
to work with (slower than an SSD!).

The table of OSes *might* be like this. This table
is purely from memory, and in some cases, I've only
ever done an install the one time.

Win2K Likely needed a key
WinXP pre-SP3 Likely needed a key, Next would not work.
I think I tested this at some point - it's
one reason I couldn't test those versions.

WinXP SP3 Didn't need a key, could click Next
Vista Didn't need a key, could click Next
Win7 Didn't need a key, could click Next
Win7SP1 Didn't need a key, could click Next

Win8 Likely needed a key, Next would not work (use Bypass)
Win8.1 Likely needed a key, Next would not work (use Bypass)

Win10 Didn't need a key, could click Next

I have no idea why the policy is so arbitrary.

Even the behavior after 30 days grace has expired
isn't consistent from one to the next. Or the behavior
when "booting an OS disk drive on the wrong computer".
In some cases, there is lockup which is not caused
by driver issues. Responses include 30 days grace,
72 hours grace, or instant lockup (power cycle or reset
and get the same response again). A bit too complicated
to even attempt a table of values.

Real IT people, having typed some of those bypasses
a hundred times, would be quite knowledgeable about
the table. I'm just a user, and my memory could be
a bit foggy.

Paul

On 2019-01-03, Peter Jason wrote:
Can I load this up on a separate HDD for use with
old software?

Unless you have an XP-era PC it is probably best to run XP in a virtual
machine rather than trying to get it working on modern hardware.

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On Wed, 02 Jan 2019 22:23:55 -0500, Nil
wrote:

On 02 Jan 2019, Peter Jason wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Can I load this up on a separate HDD for use with
old software?

What do you mean by that, "for use with old software"? What software?

My 2003 photo scanner (Dimage Elite II) stops half
way thru a scan.

In article , Peter Jason
wrote:

Can I load this up on a separate HDD for use with
old software?

What do you mean by that, "for use with old software"? What software?

My 2003 photo scanner (Dimage Elite II) stops half
way thru a scan.

assuming the scanner isn't broken, get vuescan.

https://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/mino...l#technical-in
formation
VueScan is compatible with the Minolta Scan Elite II on Windows x86,
Windows x64, Windows RT, Windows 10 ARM, Mac OS X and Linux.

Peter Jason wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jan 2019 22:23:55 -0500, Nil
wrote:

On 02 Jan 2019, Peter Jason wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Can I load this up on a separate HDD for use with
old software?
What do you mean by that, "for use with old software"? What software?

My 2003 photo scanner (Dimage Elite II) stops half
way thru a scan.

https://www.imaging-resource.com/SCAN/DSEII/DSEIIA.HTM

"the Dimage Scan Elite II replaces the earlier model's SCSI host
connection with dual USB/FireWire (IEEE 1394) interfaces and
upgrades the A/D converter to 16 bits."

That means you can run it from USB.

It also means you could run a copy of WinXP inside a VirtualBox
VM and use the USB passthru in VirtualBox, to have the virtualized
WinXP talk to the scanner.

Alternately, you can get a copy of Hamrick Vuescan.

https://www.hamrick.com/
https://www.hamrick.com/reg.html

What I don't know about Vuescan, is for advanced devices like your
scanner with ICE, whether ICE continues to work properly when
the Hamrick program drives the scanner.

I would be running the scanner from VirtualBox, because I
just love doing stupid stuff :-)

In Windows 7 days, you had the availability of "WinXP Mode"
if you bought Windows 7 Pro or higher. But WinXP Mode
is not available for Win8 or Win10. VMWare offered to run
a WinXP Mode virtual machine, but when I tested that, the
"converter" SYSPREPed the OS, which is not what I had in mind.
The trick is, the license key wouldn't be preserved, if you
tried to abuse the WinXP Mode setup.

You can still install WinXP in a virtual machine, but for
long term usage, you want to be using a Retail license key
that allows moving the single-machine license to the VM and
activating it there.

USB passthru requires installing the

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

"VirtualBox 6.0.0 Oracle VM VirtualBox Extension Pack

All supported platforms"

in addition to the main version 6 download (203MB).

https://download.virtualbox.org/virt...127566-Win.exe

You install the main package first, keeping all file types it
wants to map. Then, double clicking the Extension Pack
should cause it to install. If you deny the setting of file
types, it prevents easy double-click of the Extension Pack.

The Extension Pack, as far as I know, supports USB2 and USB3 passthru.
It allows a copy of WinXP inside a VM, to access hardware connected
to a host USB port. It doesn't have passthru for everything, but we
are very lucky to have such a mechanism as a way to stretch the
life of older USB equipment.

Since WinXP is inside the VM, it doesn't need nearly as
extensive a collection of drivers. The only "stinker" is
the NIC driver, which may take you a few minutes to track
down.

If you go with Vuescan (use the trial first), the
advantage is you don't have to play with VMs like
the WinXP method would require. On the minus side,
you are using the Vuescan stuff to scan with, which
may or may not be as good (on an ICE scanner). But
testing the trial version should show you how good
of a job they've done, one way or another. And then
you'll know whether VirtualBox is your next stop.

Version 6 of VirtualBox is apparently 64 bit only. If
anyone is still using WinXP to host VirtualBox, version
5.2.22 is the last version for a WinXP hosting system to use.

Paul

On 03 Jan 2019, Peter Jason wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

On Wed, 02 Jan 2019 22:23:55 -0500, Nil
wrote:

On 02 Jan 2019, Peter Jason wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Can I load this up on a separate HDD for use with
old software?

What do you mean by that, "for use with old software"? What software?

My 2003 photo scanner (Dimage Elite II) stops half
way thru a scan.

I guess I'm missing something or have been laboring under a
misconception. I thought Media Center was a video recorder and media
player/server. As far as I ever knew it had nothing to do with image
scanners.

Nil wrote:
On 03 Jan 2019, Peter Jason wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

On Wed, 02 Jan 2019 22:23:55 -0500, Nil
wrote:

On 02 Jan 2019, Peter Jason wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Can I load this up on a separate HDD for use with
old software?
What do you mean by that, "for use with old software"? What software?
My 2003 photo scanner (Dimage Elite II) stops half
way thru a scan.

I guess I'm missing something or have been laboring under a
misconception. I thought Media Center was a video recorder and media
player/server. As far as I ever knew it had nothing to do with image
scanners.

It's an instance of WinXP OS. You can put regular software
on the OS, if that OS is all that you have.

I thought there were some details on how you could
get a copy. Yet there's a fake picture of a box here,
so maybe it was a retail product... It could easily
be put in a tricked out OEM computer, but was this
software SKU available for home builder purposes ? Dunno.

https://winlibre.files.wordpress.com...dia-center.png

It would need to be Retail software (not System Builder OEM
or Royalty OEM) to be transferable to a VM or to a new
computer.

The Media Center version is just WinXP standard edition
with Media Center giblets added to it. The article on it,
doesn't answer most of the questions you might have.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window...Center_Edition

Paul

Paul wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jan 2019 22:23:55 -0500, Nil
wrote:

On 02 Jan 2019, Peter Jason wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Can I load this up on a separate HDD for use with
old software?
What do you mean by that, "for use with old software"? What software?

My 2003 photo scanner (Dimage Elite II) stops half
way thru a scan.

https://www.imaging-resource.com/SCAN/DSEII/DSEIIA.HTM

"the Dimage Scan Elite II replaces the earlier model's SCSI host
connection with dual USB/FireWire (IEEE 1394) interfaces and
upgrades the A/D converter to 16 bits."

That means you can run it from USB.

It also means you could run a copy of WinXP inside a VirtualBox
VM and use the USB passthru in VirtualBox, to have the virtualized
WinXP talk to the scanner.
[...]
In Windows 7 days, you had the availability of "WinXP Mode"
if you bought Windows 7 Pro or higher. But WinXP Mode
is not available for Win8 or Win10.

With "WinXP Mode", are you referring to the per-exe-file
'Compatibility mode' or something else.

If you're referring to the per-exe-file 'Compatibility mode': Windows
8.1 *does* have 'Compatibility mode' for 'Windows XP (Service Pack 2)'
[1] and '.. (Service Pack 3)' (and all the way down to 'Windows 95').

[1] I'm actually using said 'Compatibility mode' to bring you this post! :-)

Frank Slootweg wrote:

With "WinXP Mode", are you referring to the per-exe-file
'Compatibility mode' or something else.

Win7 (Pro/Ultimate/Enterprise) allows you to run a pre-built XP install
under Virtual PC

On Thu, 03 Jan 2019 16:45:25 -0500, Paul
wrote:

Peter Jason wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jan 2019 22:23:55 -0500, Nil
wrote:

On 02 Jan 2019, Peter Jason wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Can I load this up on a separate HDD for use with
old software?
What do you mean by that, "for use with old software"? What software?

My 2003 photo scanner (Dimage Elite II) stops half
way thru a scan.

https://www.imaging-resource.com/SCAN/DSEII/DSEIIA.HTM

"the Dimage Scan Elite II replaces the earlier model's SCSI host
connection with dual USB/FireWire (IEEE 1394) interfaces and
upgrades the A/D converter to 16 bits."

That means you can run it from USB.

It also means you could run a copy of WinXP inside a VirtualBox
VM and use the USB passthru in VirtualBox, to have the virtualized
WinXP talk to the scanner.

Alternately, you can get a copy of Hamrick Vuescan.

https://www.hamrick.com/
https://www.hamrick.com/reg.html

What I don't know about Vuescan, is for advanced devices like your
scanner with ICE, whether ICE continues to work properly when
the Hamrick program drives the scanner.

I would be running the scanner from VirtualBox, because I
just love doing stupid stuff :-)

In Windows 7 days, you had the availability of "WinXP Mode"
if you bought Windows 7 Pro or higher. But WinXP Mode
is not available for Win8 or Win10. VMWare offered to run
a WinXP Mode virtual machine, but when I tested that, the
"converter" SYSPREPed the OS, which is not what I had in mind.
The trick is, the license key wouldn't be preserved, if you
tried to abuse the WinXP Mode setup.

You can still install WinXP in a virtual machine, but for
long term usage, you want to be using a Retail license key
that allows moving the single-machine license to the VM and
activating it there.

USB passthru requires installing the

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

"VirtualBox 6.0.0 Oracle VM VirtualBox Extension Pack

All supported platforms"

in addition to the main version 6 download (203MB).

https://download.virtualbox.org/virt...127566-Win.exe

You install the main package first, keeping all file types it
wants to map. Then, double clicking the Extension Pack
should cause it to install. If you deny the setting of file
types, it prevents easy double-click of the Extension Pack.

The Extension Pack, as far as I know, supports USB2 and USB3 passthru.
It allows a copy of WinXP inside a VM, to access hardware connected
to a host USB port. It doesn't have passthru for everything, but we
are very lucky to have such a mechanism as a way to stretch the
life of older USB equipment.

Since WinXP is inside the VM, it doesn't need nearly as
extensive a collection of drivers. The only "stinker" is
the NIC driver, which may take you a few minutes to track
down.

If you go with Vuescan (use the trial first), the
advantage is you don't have to play with VMs like
the WinXP method would require. On the minus side,
you are using the Vuescan stuff to scan with, which
may or may not be as good (on an ICE scanner). But
testing the trial version should show you how good
of a job they've done, one way or another. And then
you'll know whether VirtualBox is your next stop.

Version 6 of VirtualBox is apparently 64 bit only. If
anyone is still using WinXP to host VirtualBox, version
5.2.22 is the last version for a WinXP hosting system to use.

Paul



Thanks Paul, I only use the scanner part. All
adjustments I do with PShop.