SATA Drives

I plan on doing some cleaning and hopefully recabling on my PC. It is my
understanding that which SATA port a drive is plugged into does not matter.
Specifically, due to how the drives were added to my system, the SATA port
number does not bear any relation to the drive's position in the OS, i.e.
my system drive C: is plugged into SATA port 4, etc. I would like to
recable all the drives so port 1 is C:, port 2 is D:, and so forth. Am I
right in assuming this will make no difference to the system? I remember
way back in the day if a drive was plugged into a port other than the one
it was formatted on it was basically unusable until it was reformatted.

On 1/4/19 9:57 AM, Tim wrote:
I plan on doing some cleaning and hopefully recabling on my PC. It is my
understanding that which SATA port a drive is plugged into does not matter.
Specifically, due to how the drives were added to my system, the SATA port
number does not bear any relation to the drive's position in the OS, i.e.
my system drive C: is plugged into SATA port 4, etc. I would like to
recable all the drives so port 1 is C:, port 2 is D:, and so forth. Am I
right in assuming this will make no difference to the system? I remember
way back in the day if a drive was plugged into a port other than the one
it was formatted on it was basically unusable until it was reformatted.


Hi Tim,

Yes and no.

A SATA drive will work on any port it is plugged into.

Check your motherboard manual. Some ports can be SATA II and
some can be SATA III. III is twice as fast. II's will
work in III slots and III's will work in II's slots, although
you will take a performance hit.

I like to put my main drive on port 0 and my DVD on port 1.
The rest I don't really care. Just a convention I follow.

Not what you asked, but SATA SSD drive are about 4 times faster than
mechanical drive and NVMe SSD drives are about 8 times as fast as
mechanical drives. If you go with SSD, make sure you spec out as much
empty space as used space to assist wear leveling. Also, Samsung
drives are the only high reliability drive I have come across. Stay
away from Intel.

HTH,
-T

In article , wrote:

Not what you asked, but SATA SSD drive are about 4 times faster than
mechanical drive and NVMe SSD drives are about 8 times as fast as
mechanical drives.

quite a bit more than that. modern nvme ssds are in the 3gbyte/s range,
roughly 20x faster than a typical mechanical hd and well above sata
speeds.

If you go with SSD, make sure you spec out as much
empty space as used space to assist wear leveling.

ssds have extra space already allocated internally for wear leveling.

however, higher capacity ssds are generally faster (to a point) than
smaller capacity ones, so it may be worthwhile to get something a bit
bigger.

Also, Samsung
drives are the only high reliability drive I have come across. Stay
away from Intel.

crucial and samsung are both very good choices.

intel is *very* reliable, just not consumer priced (mostly).

On 1/4/19 1:27 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , wrote:

Not what you asked, but SATA SSD drive are about 4 times faster than
mechanical drive and NVMe SSD drives are about 8 times as fast as
mechanical drives.

quite a bit more than that. modern nvme ssds are in the 3gbyte/s range,
roughly 20x faster than a typical mechanical hd and well above sata
speeds.

If you go with SSD, make sure you spec out as much
empty space as used space to assist wear leveling.

ssds have extra space already allocated internally for wear leveling.

however, higher capacity ssds are generally faster (to a point) than
smaller capacity ones, so it may be worthwhile to get something a bit
bigger.

Also, Samsung
drives are the only high reliability drive I have come across. Stay
away from Intel.

crucial and samsung are both very good choices.

intel is *very* reliable, just not consumer priced (mostly).

Thoughts on Inland or Kingston M2.2280's ??
Local brick and mortar store has them $50 US for 250GB

On 1/4/19 12:29 PM, Big Al wrote:
On 1/4/19 1:27 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , wrote:

Not what you asked, but SATA SSD drive are about 4 times faster than
mechanical drive and NVMe SSD drives are about 8 times as fast as
mechanical drives.

quite a bit more than that. modern nvme ssds are in the 3gbyte/s range,
roughly 20x faster than a typical mechanical hd and well above sata
speeds.

If you go with SSD, make sure you spec out as much
empty space as used space to assist wear leveling.

ssds have extra space already allocated internally for wear leveling.

however, higher capacity ssds are generally faster (to a point) than
smaller capacity ones, so it may be worthwhile to get something a bit
bigger.

Also, Samsung
drives are the only high reliability drive I have come across.Â* Stay
away from Intel.

crucial and samsung are both very good choices.

intel is *very* reliable, just not consumer priced (mostly).

Thoughts on Inland or Kingston M2.2280's ??
Local brick and mortar store has them $50 US for 250GB


Have not tried them.

When I sell an ssd, it has to work and keep working as when SSD's
go bad, they brick. I settled on Samsungs as they are the best
reliability I could find. Wonderful tech support too.

Beware of cheap SSD's. You will lose everything when they brick.
There really is no such thing as a "deal". Just higher and lower
quality. The margins (difference between the cost to produce
and the cost to sell) are just too thin.

I took it in the shorts with Intel's SSDs

In article , Big Al
wrote:

Also, Samsung
drives are the only high reliability drive I have come across. Stay
away from Intel.

crucial and samsung are both very good choices.

intel is *very* reliable, just not consumer priced (mostly).

Thoughts on Inland or Kingston M2.2280's ??
Local brick and mortar store has them $50 US for 250GB

inland is a house brand, so the internals could be anything, generally
not highest quality or performance, but they are cheap, so there is
that.

it might be fine for a spare drive used for testing purposes, where
it's not a big deal if it fails. otherwise don't cheap out on storage.
stick with crucial or samsung.

this is the same company that has $4 keyboards:
https://www.microcenter.com/product/...sb-107-key-key
board

the 480g ssd doesn't look too good in this benchmark (and a 240g would
be slower):
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/a...776-png.103958
/

crucial is $50 for 250g, and that's direct from them. a store might
have it for less, possibly on clearance:
https://www.crucial.com/usa/en/ct250mx500ssd1

and for slightly more money, you can get twice the capacity, which will
have faster performance too:
https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX500-500GB-NAND-Internal/dp/B0784SLQM6

T wrote in :

On 1/4/19 9:57 AM, Tim wrote:
I plan on doing some cleaning and hopefully recabling on my PC. It is
my understanding that which SATA port a drive is plugged into does
not matter. Specifically, due to how the drives were added to my
system, the SATA port number does not bear any relation to the
drive's position in the OS, i.e. my system drive C: is plugged into
SATA port 4, etc. I would like to recable all the drives so port 1 is
C:, port 2 is D:, and so forth. Am I right in assuming this will make
no difference to the system? I remember way back in the day if a
drive was plugged into a port other than the one it was formatted on
it was basically unusable until it was reformatted.


Hi Tim,

Yes and no.


Not what you asked, but SATA SSD drive are about 4 times faster than
mechanical drive and NVMe SSD drives are about 8 times as fast as
mechanical drives. If you go with SSD, make sure you spec out as much
empty space as used space to assist wear leveling. Also, Samsung
drives are the only high reliability drive I have come across. Stay
away from Intel.

HTH,
-T

I am using a Samsung 859 EVO that is twice as large as the space
currently taken up the the complete C: drive. I also am watching the
stats on the drive so I am not surprised when, not if but when, it
decides to give up the ghost.

nospam wrote in news:040120191558488272%
lid:

In article , Big Al
wrote:

Also, Samsung
drives are the only high reliability drive I have come across. Stay
away from Intel.

crucial and samsung are both very good choices.

intel is *very* reliable, just not consumer priced (mostly).

Thoughts on Inland or Kingston M2.2280's ??
Local brick and mortar store has them $50 US for 250GB

My current motherboard has no provision for an M2 drive. I assume I would
have to add a PCIe board to home the drive on. At that point is the
performance worth the expense?

On 1/4/19 1:23 PM, Tim wrote:
T wrote in :

On 1/4/19 9:57 AM, Tim wrote:
I plan on doing some cleaning and hopefully recabling on my PC. It is
my understanding that which SATA port a drive is plugged into does
not matter. Specifically, due to how the drives were added to my
system, the SATA port number does not bear any relation to the
drive's position in the OS, i.e. my system drive C: is plugged into
SATA port 4, etc. I would like to recable all the drives so port 1 is
C:, port 2 is D:, and so forth. Am I right in assuming this will make
no difference to the system? I remember way back in the day if a
drive was plugged into a port other than the one it was formatted on
it was basically unusable until it was reformatted.


Hi Tim,

Yes and no.


Not what you asked, but SATA SSD drive are about 4 times faster than
mechanical drive and NVMe SSD drives are about 8 times as fast as
mechanical drives. If you go with SSD, make sure you spec out as much
empty space as used space to assist wear leveling. Also, Samsung
drives are the only high reliability drive I have come across. Stay
away from Intel.

HTH,
-T

I am using a Samsung 859 EVO that is twice as large as the space
currently taken up the the complete C: drive. I also am watching the
stats on the drive so I am not surprised when, not if but when, it
decides to give up the ghost.


Did you install Samsung's Magician? Check it once a week

On 1/4/19 1:27 PM, Tim wrote:
nospam wrote in news:040120191558488272%
lid:

In article , Big Al
wrote:

Also, Samsung
drives are the only high reliability drive I have come across. Stay
away from Intel.

crucial and samsung are both very good choices.

intel is *very* reliable, just not consumer priced (mostly).

Thoughts on Inland or Kingston M2.2280's ??
Local brick and mortar store has them $50 US for 250GB

My current motherboard has no provision for an M2 drive. I assume I would
have to add a PCIe board to home the drive on. At that point is the
performance worth the expense?


I have not found an add on card I really like for this,
so I can't say

On 1/4/19 1:31 PM, T wrote:
On 1/4/19 1:27 PM, Tim wrote:
nospam wrote in news:040120191558488272%
lid:

In article , Big Al
wrote:

Also, Samsung
drives are the only high reliability drive I have come across.Â* Stay
away from Intel.

crucial and samsung are both very good choices.

intel is *very* reliable, just not consumer priced (mostly).

Thoughts on Inland or Kingston M2.2280's ??
Local brick and mortar store has them $50 US for 250GB

My current motherboard has no provision for an M2 drive. I assume I would
have to add a PCIe board to home the drive on. At that point is the
performance worth the expense?


I have not found an add on card I really like for this,
so I can't say

The not bootable thing annoys the s*** out of me.

In article , wrote:


When I sell an ssd, it has to work and keep working as when SSD's
go bad, they brick.

false.

most ssds will fail to read-only, normally long after smart warnings
indicating that they're approaching end of life, and that's assuming
something else doesn't fail first. ssds will normally outlast the
devices in which they are installed.

not that it matters, since if one does fail, simply replace and restore
from backup. no big deal.

I settled on Samsungs as they are the best
reliability I could find. Wonderful tech support too.

samsung is *among* the best. crucial is also top quality.

and an ssd does not need tech support. connect it and it works. done.

there may be differences in how they handle warranty service, but
that's something else entirely.

Beware of cheap SSD's. You will lose everything when they brick.

only if there are no backups, which isn't the fault of an ssd or its
price.

There really is no such thing as a "deal". Just higher and lower
quality. The margins (difference between the cost to produce
and the cost to sell) are just too thin.

beware of cheap anything.

I took it in the shorts with Intel's SSDs

then you got duds. nothing is perfect.

intel ssds are *very* reliable, widely considered to be the most
reliable.

https://hothardware.com/reviews/inte...d-state-drive-
review?page=7
Couple the Intel SSD 545s series¹ strong performance, with Intel¹s
well-known reliability in the storage space, competitive pricing, and
a 5 year warranty, and we¹ve got an easy recommendation on our hands.

In article , Tim
wrote:

I am using a Samsung 859 EVO that is twice as large as the space
currently taken up the the complete C: drive. I also am watching the
stats on the drive so I am not surprised when, not if but when, it
decides to give up the ghost.

that will almost certainly be a long time.

ssds are *extremely* reliable.

T wrote in :

On 1/4/19 1:31 PM, T wrote:
On 1/4/19 1:27 PM, Tim wrote:
nospam wrote in news:040120191558488272%
lid:

In article , Big Al
wrote:

Also, Samsung
drives are the only high reliability drive I have come across.Â*
Stay
away from Intel.

crucial and samsung are both very good choices.

intel is *very* reliable, just not consumer priced (mostly).

Thoughts on Inland or Kingston M2.2280's ??
Local brick and mortar store has them $50 US for 250GB

My current motherboard has no provision for an M2 drive. I assume I
wo
uld
have to add a PCIe board to home the drive on. At that point is the
performance worth the expense?


I have not found an add on card I really like for this,
so I can't say

The not bootable thing annoys the s*** out of me.


Does that mean if I want to use an M2 drive for my system drive I would
have to have bootable media on a USB or DVD set up to load Windows from
the M2?

nospam wrote in news:040120191635551909%
lid:

In article , wrote:


When I sell an ssd, it has to work and keep working as when SSD's
go bad, they brick.

false.

most ssds will fail to read-only, normally long after smart warnings
indicating that they're approaching end of life, and that's assuming
something else doesn't fail first. ssds will normally outlast the
devices in which they are installed.

not that it matters, since if one does fail, simply replace and restore
from backup. no big deal.

I settled on Samsungs as they are the best
reliability I could find. Wonderful tech support too.

samsung is *among* the best. crucial is also top quality.

and an ssd does not need tech support. connect it and it works. done.

there may be differences in how they handle warranty service, but
that's something else entirely.

My first SSD was a Kingston. It died two years into a three year warranty,
right after Kingston announced that they were dropping support for it.