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  #46  
Old January 22nd 19, 09:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Carlos E.R.
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Every inkjet clogs by just leaving it unused for some time. The time
varies. A week, a month, a year.


false.


True. I have seen it in many places.


and i've seen where it doesn't happen.

to claim that *every* inkjet clogs is simply false.

Many people do not use their printers every week. Perhaps once a month.
Then the machine fails. With brand name original inks and cartridges,
yes. Just leave your printer totally unused for a month and see.


actually, i do that fairly often, without issue.

in fact, one of my printers sat unused for roughly 5 months until a
week or so ago, no clogs.
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  #47  
Old January 22nd 19, 09:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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I can accept that clone inks will be more likely to clog the nozzles, or
that they may produce more garish, less subtle colours. But why should a
clone cartridge (which may be a genuine one that has been refilled with
non-genuine ink) fail to be recognised by the printer?


because there's a chip on the cartridge to prevent that. there are ways
to reset the chip but they aren't always reliable.




And how many printers *do* print black text in all four colours?


just about all of them, and may block printing in b/w if the colour
cartridge is empty or not there.

Looking at
a page of black text under a high-power magnifying glass, I can't see any
evidence of coloured ink around the edges of the black text, so it looks as
if my printer just uses black ink for black text - but still requires all
the cartridges to be working even to do that.


if it requires a colour cartridge, it's almost certainly using it.

very little colour is mixed in, but it's not zero, and you aren't
likely to be able to see it.
  #48  
Old January 22nd 19, 09:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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the topic is printers, and there are a *lot* of printers without
scanner mechanisms.

So what? OP isn't buying for a business.


nobody said he was.

The topic is "a printer for home use at a reasonable price that isn't a
3-in-1?", as OP has clarified. He's already found that in the price
range he wants its' 3-in-1 or nothing where he lives. His thrifty soul
resent having to what he doesn't want in order to get what he does want.
I empathise, which is why I thought it would be useful to explain why
that's so. If you think that's OT, that's OK.


why don't you explain why you insist that he get a multifunction when
all he wants is a printer?


Eh what? Where did I "insist he get a multi-function"????

What part of "I empathise, which is why I thought it would be useful to
explain why that's so" don't you get?


you keep saying there's no other option.

above, you said because he's not buying for a business, he should not
buy the printer he wants.

Where do you shop?

online

I suspected as much. You probably also toss all the flyers you get in
your snail-mail box, too. I don't. I like to know what vendors think is
trending, and what they want to unload before it become unsaleable.


what's being advertised is not the same as what's available.

there's a *lot* of stuff that *isn't* in the flyers and searching
online can find all of it.

no wonder you have no clue about what's available. you've never looked.


Elementary logic error. "I look at X" is not equivalent to "I don't look
at Y".


elementary search error.

had you looked, you would know that there are many single function
printers and for not a lot of money.

since you claim otherwise, it's a simple deduction that you have not
looked much, if at all.
  #49  
Old January 22nd 19, 09:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Jonathan N. Little
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Every inkjet clogs by just leaving it unused for some time. The time
varies. A week, a month, a year.

false.

No--true. It is one of the most often posted problems with inkjets.


nope. *some* inkjets clog. not all of them, usually due to improper use.


Of course you say that... Well funny thing that both my experience and
numerous complaints on support forums appear refute your blanket
pronouncement.


nobody posts on support forums that everything is working fine. they
post about problems, hoping to find a solution or just to vent.

not all inkjet printers clog, and when they do, it's almost always due
to improper use, crap ink, etc.


nobody cares what shade the colours in a bar graph is, but they *do*
care about the colours in a photo.


No so much colors so much as rasterization of a photo and subtle tints
are hard for lasers.


very much so for colours. profiling a laser is very difficult, if not
impossible, and without a good profile, the colours will be off.

If you need photos a dedicated photo inkjet is questionable depending on
your circumstances. If you print them occasionally getting a WalMart or
Kinkos do it makes far more sense, unless like me where it is a long
trek to the store. (I suffer with an OfficeJet as a result)


sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.

walmart and many other places won't print photos if they're "too good"
because they think they're stolen.

https://petapixel.com/2011/11/08/wal...n-release-for-
photos-that-look-too-professional/
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/c..._wont_print_my
_photos_because_they_look/


Never had an issues with my studio shots...


that doesn't mean nobody else has.
  #50  
Old January 22nd 19, 09:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 22/01/2019 19.47, NY wrote:

And how many printers *do* print black text in all four colours? Looking
at a page of black text under a high-power magnifying glass, I can't see
any evidence of coloured ink around the edges of the black text, so it
looks as if my printer just uses black ink for black text - but still
requires all the cartridges to be working even to do that.


Because the colour can be defined as black and thus use only black ink,
or not pure.

If you assign a byte to each ink, you can say a pixel is:

FF000000

and that will print in black only (whatever that ink really is). But it
could be "FF000100" and there would have a tiny bit of yellow (say).

To be sure, on some printers you have to choose "B/W mode". If the
computer sends in that mode, the printer should not use any colour at all.

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  #51  
Old January 22nd 19, 10:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 22/01/2019 21.00, nospam wrote:
In article , Jonathan N. Little
wrote:

Every inkjet clogs by just leaving it unused for some time. The time
varies. A week, a month, a year.

false.

No--true. It is one of the most often posted problems with inkjets.

nope. *some* inkjets clog. not all of them, usually due to improper use.


Of course you say that... Well funny thing that both my experience and
numerous complaints on support forums appear refute your blanket
pronouncement.


nobody posts on support forums that everything is working fine. they
post about problems, hoping to find a solution or just to vent.

not all inkjet printers clog, and when they do, it's almost always due
to improper use, crap ink, etc.


No. I have seen them clog with original ink cartridges. Brand name
expensive printers. Just leave them without use for enough time.


nobody cares what shade the colours in a bar graph is, but they *do*
care about the colours in a photo.


No so much colors so much as rasterization of a photo and subtle tints
are hard for lasers.


very much so for colours. profiling a laser is very difficult, if not
impossible, and without a good profile, the colours will be off.


I don't see them off.




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  #52  
Old January 22nd 19, 10:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 22/01/2019 21.00, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:


Every inkjet clogs by just leaving it unused for some time. The time
varies. A week, a month, a year.

false.


True. I have seen it in many places.


and i've seen where it doesn't happen.

to claim that *every* inkjet clogs is simply false.

Many people do not use their printers every week. Perhaps once a month.
Then the machine fails. With brand name original inks and cartridges,
yes. Just leave your printer totally unused for a month and see.


actually, i do that fairly often, without issue.

in fact, one of my printers sat unused for roughly 5 months until a
week or so ago, no clogs.


Yeah, sure :-p

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  #53  
Old January 22nd 19, 11:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

Many people do not use their printers every week. Perhaps once a month.
Then the machine fails. With brand name original inks and cartridges,
yes. Just leave your printer totally unused for a month and see.


actually, i do that fairly often, without issue.

in fact, one of my printers sat unused for roughly 5 months until a
week or so ago, no clogs.


Yeah, sure :-p


believe what you want. i don't print anywhere near what i used to and
often sits unused, and in fact, hasn't been used since i printed a week
or so ago. no clogs in its roughly 8 year history.

the printer i had before that did clog on occasion, but i bought that
in the late 1990s.
  #54  
Old January 22nd 19, 11:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

Every inkjet clogs by just leaving it unused for some time. The time
varies. A week, a month, a year.

false.

No--true. It is one of the most often posted problems with inkjets.

nope. *some* inkjets clog. not all of them, usually due to improper use.

Of course you say that... Well funny thing that both my experience and
numerous complaints on support forums appear refute your blanket
pronouncement.


nobody posts on support forums that everything is working fine. they
post about problems, hoping to find a solution or just to vent.

not all inkjet printers clog, and when they do, it's almost always due
to improper use, crap ink, etc.


No. I have seen them clog with original ink cartridges. Brand name
expensive printers. Just leave them without use for enough time.


i'm not saying you haven't seen it.

what i'm saying is that your blanket claim that 'every inkjet clogs' is
false.

nobody cares what shade the colours in a bar graph is, but they *do*
care about the colours in a photo.

No so much colors so much as rasterization of a photo and subtle tints
are hard for lasers.


very much so for colours. profiling a laser is very difficult, if not
impossible, and without a good profile, the colours will be off.


I don't see them off.


do you have a good profile?

if not (and i doubt you do), then they definitely are.
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Old January 22nd 19, 11:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 1/22/19 12:20 PM, nospam wrote:

[snip]

not true. a printer that's off with its heads properly parked is not
likely to clog, and clean cycles don't 'blow through ink' unless it's
*really* clogged and requires more than one cycle.


Whenever I need to do a clean cycle on a printer, once is seldom enough.
Usually it's 3 or 4.

[snip]

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  #56  
Old January 23rd 19, 12:24 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 18:47:33 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"nospam" wrote in message
.. .
In article , NY
wrote:

I've been struggling with my printer all afternoon after replacing the
cartridges. It refuses to recognise one of the cartridges, no matter
whether
I use the old (almost empty) one or the new one. I've checked all the
obvious things like dirty contacts, contact pins that have got stuck in
and
so aren't pressing on the cartridge.

It's a weird symptom, because if I remove all the cartridges and then add
them one by one, it reports "cannot recognise" for just the ones that are
missing. But once I add the last one, it says "Cannot recognise cyan",
even
though it was not moaning about that one until I put the last one of
another
colour in place.

That's for clone cartridges and an Epson printer,


that's why


I can accept that clone inks will be more likely to clog the nozzles, or
that they may produce more garish, less subtle colours. But why should a
clone cartridge (which may be a genuine one that has been refilled with
non-genuine ink) fail to be recognised by the printer?


Because it has previously reported itself as empty and set that info
into the cartridges chip. If you are going to use it again you are
going to have to reset the chip. It used to be possible to buy gizmos
to do that: I presume you still can.

And why should it happen intermittently? I've used two sets of clone
cartridges without any problem, and then encounter the problem with another
set of the same make/model of cartridge?


Maybe their chips had been reset?

Incidentally, the clone ink that I've used has had *dramatically* less
problem with nozzle-clogging than the genuine ink. Since I don't print
photos, and just need spot colour and for coloured backgrounds etc, I'm not
too bothered that colour rendition isn't perfect, as long as it is
reasonable - and the cartridges last a long time.

The only thing I *did* have problems with was refilling existing cartridges
from bottles of ink. Tried that with my HP printer and the ink leaked all
over the place: I used most of a kitchen roll mopping it up from the inside
of the printer :-(

The annoying thing is that many printers will not even print in black if
one
of the colours is empty or malfunctioning. My old HP was good for that -
it
would print in black only, no matter what problem there was with the
colour
cartridge, but most nowadays are very fussy and don't have any limp-home
black-only capability.


true black requires colour ink. it's a cmyk printer.

in some printers, the colour inks can be disabled or replaced with
black.


The ability to print in black, even if it is not true black but a shade of
grey, should be available as a limp-home capability on all printers. Things
should be designed so they work as *well* as possible when something fails,
rather than totally locking up and refusing to work at all.

And how many printers *do* print black text in all four colours? Looking at
a page of black text under a high-power magnifying glass, I can't see any
evidence of coloured ink around the edges of the black text, so it looks as
if my printer just uses black ink for black text - but still requires all
the cartridges to be working even to do that.

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Eric Stevens
  #57  
Old January 23rd 19, 12:46 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 19:33:02 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
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On 22/01/2019 13.29, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:


Every inkjet clogs by just leaving it unused for some time. The time
varies. A week, a month, a year.


false.


True. I have seen it in many places.

Many people do not use their printers every week. Perhaps once a month.
Then the machine fails. With brand name original inks and cartridges,
yes. Just leave your printer totally unused for a month and see.


That hasn't been my experience during the last 10 years. The
electronics in the head of my Epson 3880 died after six years and the
cost of buying and fitting a new head made me decide to buy a new
printer (a P800). Despite long periods of light or no use, not one
incident of head blocking in all those years.
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  #58  
Old January 23rd 19, 01:52 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Wolf K
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I've inherited the "careful money-management" gene from both sides: My
mother was part-Scot, and my father was from ancient Austrian peasant
stock. I could afford a lot more toys than I own. Until I can make a good case
that I _need_ it, I find it difficult to buy. Eg, I found it difficult to toss the
Canon inkjet until I calculated the ink-savings from the ET-3600.

I like "thoil", very useful word, new to me. :-)


LOL, As the OP I've found this discussion fascinating, I have actually
found a couple of single use printers available in Bradford, I'll have
to have a serious think about which I should buy or even get a 3 in 1,
thanks to all who posted.

As for our tight fisted trait just remember that a Yorkshireman is just
a Scot with the generosity gene removed.

Mike

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Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
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Old January 23rd 19, 02:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 23/01/2019 00.24, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 18:47:33 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"nospam" wrote in message
...
In article , NY
wrote:

I've been struggling with my printer all afternoon after replacing the
cartridges. It refuses to recognise one of the cartridges, no matter
whether
I use the old (almost empty) one or the new one. I've checked all the
obvious things like dirty contacts, contact pins that have got stuck in
and
so aren't pressing on the cartridge.

It's a weird symptom, because if I remove all the cartridges and then add
them one by one, it reports "cannot recognise" for just the ones that are
missing. But once I add the last one, it says "Cannot recognise cyan",
even
though it was not moaning about that one until I put the last one of
another
colour in place.

That's for clone cartridges and an Epson printer,

that's why


I can accept that clone inks will be more likely to clog the nozzles, or
that they may produce more garish, less subtle colours. But why should a
clone cartridge (which may be a genuine one that has been refilled with
non-genuine ink) fail to be recognised by the printer?


Because it has previously reported itself as empty and set that info
into the cartridges chip. If you are going to use it again you are
going to have to reset the chip. It used to be possible to buy gizmos
to do that: I presume you still can.


In that case, return that faulty cartridge to the shop.

--
Cheers, Carlos.
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Old January 23rd 19, 02:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:


Because it has previously reported itself as empty and set that info
into the cartridges chip. If you are going to use it again you are
going to have to reset the chip. It used to be possible to buy gizmos
to do that: I presume you still can.


In that case, return that faulty cartridge to the shop.


it's not faulty.
 




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