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Old February 17th 19, 09:23 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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Q: Does a free proxy even exist to post using free nntp news servers?

Advice for beginners in getting up to speed in minutes on VPN was posted
this morning where the question then came up of a "free Usenet proxy".
o How to get up & running on a free public vpn service in minutes
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/Bv8bwG4ggnc

Mike Easter, always being purposefully helpful, suggested another POV:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/Bv8bwG4ggnc/lcJ5Jo8OEgAJ

Specifically, Mike referred to this helpful article saying not to use a
public VPN service as a "glorified proxy"
o Don't use VPN services.
https://gist.github.com/joepie91/5a9909939e6ce7d09e29

The article Mike kindly referred to suggests using a "specific proxy" instead:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/Bv8bwG4ggnc/oAPYdk4QEgAJ

That's all well & good if you're posting to Usenet via a browser:
o TBB https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en
o Opera VPN Browser https://www.opera.com/computer/features/free-vpn
o Epic Privacy Browser https://www.epicbrowser.com/
etc.

There's nothing wrong with the alternative POV of that article other than
the unanswered question, which is the question asked in this thread.

What proxy answers the specific problem set is of finding a reasonably fast
& reliable free proxy that allows the user to post to free news servers?

In summary, for _any_ common consumer platform (Win/Linux/Mac/iOS/Android):
Q: Does a free proxy even exist to post using free nntp news servers?
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Old February 17th 19, 09:46 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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arlen holder wrote:
The article Mike kindly referred to suggests using a "specific proxy" instead:


That is not correct.

The gistgithub article is NOT 'favorable' to proxies; and it mentions
proxy in the par "So when should I use a VPN?" and then the usage is in
a larger context going in the direction of a personal VPN at a VPS. It
does repeat opining saying that VPNs are glorified proxies; but I don't
want to defend every word in the article, but instead to expose its
point of view.

It is definitely not an article pro-proxy anti-VPN, but more an article
reminding the reader that "A VPN provider specifically seeks out those
who are looking for privacy, and who may thus have interesting traffic.
Statistically speaking, it is more likely that a VPN provider will be
malicious or a honeypot, than that an arbitrary generic VPS provider
will be."

The article comes on a little stronger about that than I would be, but
if you explore the content of the TOPS* site you can sense that the user
who is encourage to be a VPN user and then goes hunting for the best VPN
will more likely be reading the wrong pages than the right ones.

*https://thatoneprivacysite.net/

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Old February 17th 19, 10:44 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 12:46:40 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:

Mike Easter


Hi Mike,

None of what you wrote even remotely answers the question.
o I don't fear a thread that has no good answer.

Sometimes, an intelligent person provides a useful answer.
o If so, we _all_ benefit from that intelligent person's knowledge.

Sometimes nobody knows the answer to the question
o That's OK; then I don't need to respond to ignorant drivel as a result

The question is patently simple - which asks intelligent users simply...
Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
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Old February 17th 19, 11:29 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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arlen holder wrote:
Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?


I have no interest in that question and I'm under no obligation to even
consider it worth discussing.

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Old February 18th 19, 12:15 AM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
arlen holder
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On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 14:29:54 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:

I have no interest in that question and I'm under no obligation to even
consider it worth discussing.


The question is actually very simple & rather easy to comprehend Mike.

Knowledgeable users who know the answer can add to our knowledge.

Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
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Old February 18th 19, 10:49 AM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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On 18/02/2019 00.15, arlen holder wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 14:29:54 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:

I have no interest in that question and I'm under no obligation to even
consider it worth discussing.


The question is actually very simple & rather easy to comprehend Mike.

Knowledgeable users who know the answer can add to our knowledge.


I hate your mania of saying that phrase.


Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?


I don't have the foggiest idea what an nntp proxy would be in your
context, what would it be useful for.

An nntp proxy would just be an nntp server that forwards to another nntp
server - which by definition converts it into another nntp server, not a
proxy. It would not necessarily anonymize the user.


There is an nntp proxy, I use one - but it sits in my very own computer.
It is called leafnode - seek it up in the wikipedia. It is not used for
anonymity: its original creation purpose was for use with dial up modems.

A user would connect the modem and fire up the "fetch news cycle":
leafnode collects all new messages on the groups it follows (not all
groups). Then the modem would disconnect. The user or users would read
the posts, write answers using any normal nntp client software, which
for all purposes would think they were connected to a normal nntp server
on Internet. Finally, the machine would fire up the modem and send all
pending nntp posts in a few seconds of connection.

This would happen daily, hourly, or any period the admin would define
with cron. This was/is on Linux, maybe there were other tools for Windows.

The current advantage now that dial up modems are not used is that the
clients read posts much faster. It also allows automatic connection to
several upstream nntp servers: if one doesn't work, it goes to another.

I can also search for a text on a group or bunch of groups, because the
"server" is in my machine and I have access to its files.

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Old February 18th 19, 11:21 AM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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Carlos E.R. wrote:
arlen holder wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:

I have no interest in that question and I'm under no obligation to even
consider it worth discussing.


The question is actually very simple & rather easy to comprehend Mike.

Knowledgeable users who know the answer can add to our knowledge.


I hate your mania of saying that phrase.


Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?


I don't have the foggiest idea what an nntp proxy would be in your
context, what would it be useful for.


I believe he is deriving his concept of such a proxy from his
interpretation of an article which he believes suggested that specific
proxies for specific purposes could suit his idea of an alternate to his
purpose of using a VPN to access his nntp provider and thus conceal his
connectivity IP from the nntp admin OR perhaps because he believes that
the encryption of the directly connecting IP is too frail to suit his
idea of security from having his nntp connecting IP decryptable by
others who examine the NPH of the headers.

But; it is difficult for me to delineate just what security/privacy
issue he is actually debating. That is, it is unclear to me what he is
concerned about hiding from whom.

Personally I don't believe that the content of encrypted NPH is a
security risk because I don't believe that it is trivial to crack.

However, if one needed to conceal their connectivity IP from the nntp
admin, that is another matter altogether which has nothing to do with
cracking the encoded NPH or any changing of its algo.

Sometimes it is hard to focus arlen on which matters are agreed upon,
which matters are agreed to disagree, and which matters are important
only to him and not to other discussants.


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Old February 18th 19, 11:31 AM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 18/02/2019 00.15, arlen holder wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 14:29:54 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:

I have no interest in that question and I'm under no obligation to even
consider it worth discussing.

The question is actually very simple & rather easy to comprehend Mike.

Knowledgeable users who know the answer can add to our knowledge.


I hate your mania of saying that phrase.

Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?


I don't have the foggiest idea what an nntp proxy would be in your
context, what would it be useful for.

An nntp proxy would just be an nntp server that forwards to another nntp
server - which by definition converts it into another nntp server, not a
proxy. It would not necessarily anonymize the user.


There is an nntp proxy, I use one - but it sits in my very own computer.
It is called leafnode - seek it up in the wikipedia. It is not used for
anonymity: its original creation purpose was for use with dial up modems.

A user would connect the modem and fire up the "fetch news cycle":
leafnode collects all new messages on the groups it follows (not all
groups). Then the modem would disconnect. The user or users would read
the posts, write answers using any normal nntp client software, which
for all purposes would think they were connected to a normal nntp server
on Internet. Finally, the machine would fire up the modem and send all
pending nntp posts in a few seconds of connection.

This would happen daily, hourly, or any period the admin would define
with cron. This was/is on Linux, maybe there were other tools for Windows.

The current advantage now that dial up modems are not used is that the
clients read posts much faster. It also allows automatic connection to
several upstream nntp servers: if one doesn't work, it goes to another.

I can also search for a text on a group or bunch of groups, because the
"server" is in my machine and I have access to its files.


There aren't that many "account-free" newsservers.

AIOE is one.

The only reason you'd feel some advantage from
"hiding your address", would be for the purposes of
defeating Paolo's address filters. Which are his only
defense on an account-free server.

USENET is chaos, a peer-level network with simple transfer
protocol between nodes. A new entrant to USENET, contacts
administrators on the various servers to obtain "feeds". This
allows messages with World distribution, to be offered to
other nodes. It can take anywhere from seconds to 24 hours
for a message to reach some other server (depending on how
many hops it took).

A well-connected server might have 70 other feeds connected to it.

The message ID on each message, manages transfers, in that
if I offer you "message 1234" and you already have it, you
deny needing it.

OK, so what other properties does it have. Well, in effect,
there's a "Cabal". If you do something bad enough, your
account can be cut off. OK, well, what about a server administrator?
Yes, they make "evil" ones of those too. And the cabal can
communicate via email with one another, and arrange to "isolate"
a bad server. However, all it takes is one administrator to
offer an asshole a lifeline, to keep him connected.

Good administrators are aware of the need for being responsive
on abuse reports. For example, the AIOE admin wants to keep
his 70 feeds. He gets a bad name, every time one of his customers
has a freakout. I would think the general opinion was, it
wouldn't take much for the rest of the community to pull
the plug on him (they know he doesn't use Accounts to
ride herd on his users).

OK, now let's fit a proxy into the picture. The cloud side
of the proxy connects to a server using an account. Let's
say the proxy starts pumping abuse into its hosting server.
The server admin yanks the proxy account and the proxy is
dead in the water.

Lets say the proxy works with feeds. If word gets around
(as it likely would), about some "cowboy device" that was
making a nuisance of itself, the feeds would get yanked.
Especially if the feeds had just been set up, and the
operator of the proxy "was on probation". Some new admins
will inevitably be clueless (or appear so), and probation
means figuring out whether the server you granted
access, is an asshat or just a dumbo.

OK, so we got this great idea for a "proxy", whatever that
is. It's not leafnode, because leafnode uses a regular
account on the server it connects to. If "abuse" was coming
up the pipe from leafnode, that user would just get cut
off like that (account TOSsed).

There have been other devices, but at least some of them
have disappeared. There were some web to NNTP gateways
("leeches") that were invented. There's still a couple
of those running (the other ones must be well underwater,
as they no longer show up in google searches). The people
running the leech sites, had to add extra protection to
the Compose window, because some of their users were injecting
"signature spam", like using a four line .sig with Chinese
counterfeit shoe advert URLs. When that got shot down (message
dumped if .sig spam present), that cut down a lot on
the nuisance "+1" spam coming from them.

Basically, for every distortion, there is a response.

When there was a severe problem with a flood, it took
at least three months, maybe more, to fix it. Someone
set up a cancelbot, as part of the defense mechanism.
That required some amount of cooperation from Cabal
members. (Maybe even the assholes helped out.) As time
passes, and administrator interest in day to day ops wanes,
it's harder to get that kind of effort from the community.
But rest assured, it's like evolution. **** with it,
and be cast out. Think of it as being a kind of immune
system built out of software. You can't wall off every
pest, but you can certainly try.

The highest level of alert, is the UDP. And amazingly,
there's an article for the term.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty

And I'm not going to weaponize the OP by providing
any more "stories". The above are the basic mechanisms.
There was one other little incident about helping
someone, where blowback occurred. So enough said.

Where ever this hypothetical proxy is connected,
there will be trouble. The killer T-cells have
been dispatched.

Paul

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Old February 18th 19, 12:13 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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On 18/02/2019 11.21, Mike Easter wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
arlen holder wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:

I have no interest in that question and I'm under no obligation to even
consider it worth discussing.

The question is actually very simple & rather easy to comprehend Mike.

Knowledgeable users who know the answer can add to our knowledge.


I hate your mania of saying that phrase.


Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?


I don't have the foggiest idea what an nntp proxy would be in your
context, what would it be useful for.


I believe he is deriving his concept of such a proxy from his
interpretation of an article which he believes suggested that specific
proxies for specific purposes could suit his idea of an alternate to his
purpose of using a VPN to access his nntp provider and thus conceal his
connectivity IP from the nntp admin OR perhaps because he believes that
the encryption of the directly connecting IP is too frail to suit his
idea of security from having his nntp connecting IP decryptable by
others who examine the NPH of the headers.


For hiding the IP the only recourse I'd see is some sort of VPN (even
TOR), because the IP you get on the computer is not the normal one. But
then you need an nntp access: there are some that do not require an
account, like aioe, but others require login/password, and thus the VPN
is defeated.

As Paul explains, an specific nntp "proxy" would just be some type of
nntp server, and thus the others would isolate the server if it behaves
badly. It would be just another nntp server and thus traceable.


But; it is difficult for me to delineate just what security/privacy
issue he is actually debating.Â* That is, it is unclear to me what he is
concerned about hiding from whom.

Personally I don't believe that the content of encrypted NPH is a
security risk because I don't believe that it is trivial to crack.

However, if one needed to conceal their connectivity IP from the nntp
admin, that is another matter altogether which has nothing to do with
cracking the encoded NPH or any changing of its algo.


Right.

Sometimes it is hard to focus arlen on which matters are agreed upon,
which matters are agreed to disagree, and which matters are important
only to him and not to other discussants.


(chuckle)

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Old February 18th 19, 04:17 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 10:49:42 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

There is an nntp proxy, I use one - but it sits in my very own computer.
It is called leafnode - seek it up in the wikipedia. It is not used for
anonymity: its original creation purpose was for use with dial up modems.


All I want, Carlos, is what I get with VPN, Carlos, but where I _accept_
that I'm using VPN as a "glorified proxy".

I just want to change my IP address at will, Carlos.
o Does this "leafnode" allow many different free IP address proxying?

Let me look it up.
http://leafnode.org/doc_en/leafnode.8.html

It's an NNTP server.
o Offhand, I don't think that will work, but let's delve deeper to see...

Maybe there is a clever way to use "leafnode" to change the IP address?

A user would connect the modem and fire up the "fetch news cycle":
leafnode collects all new messages on the groups it follows (not all
groups). Then the modem would disconnect. The user or users would read
the posts, write answers using any normal nntp client software, which
for all purposes would think they were connected to a normal nntp server
on Internet. Finally, the machine would fire up the modem and send all
pending nntp posts in a few seconds of connection.


Hi Carlos,
I'm _only_ about _actionable_ solutions (i.e., real solutions).
o And, in general, I'm about _general_ purpose solutions.
(That is, solutions that work for everyone; not just for me.)

I like this leafnode idea, which I am unfamiliar with ... at the moment.

This "leafnode" might actually be useful - in a "modem" sort of way.
o Replace the word "modem" with "vpn" to get the idea...

I guess "one way" leafnode would work would be that we do this:
1. We connect to free public VPN of our choice
(a proxy would be better - but it has to exist!)
2. We use leafnode to connect to a free public nntp server of our choice
(we use leafnode to pull down all the traffic & disconnect from VPN)
3. We then use leafnode again to connect to the free public VPN.
(and we send all the articles that we composed offline)

In short, leafnode _can_ be used in a model where we replace the word
"modem" with the word "vpn", as a sort of workaround to the problems
inherent in using the free public vpn services.

However, that really only _minimizes_ the issue with VPN which is just as
easily minimized by simply doing what I do today anyway using the scripts
that were initially written by Marek Novotny years ago for this purpose.
1. I connect to a VPN (which takes a single command)
2. I pull down all the Usenet traffic from any desired set of nntp servers
3. I disconnect from VPN

At my leisure, like I am at this very moment, I compose my responses
(my "Usenet reader" is "vi" as it's just a bunch of editing scripts).

Then I connect momentarily to VPN to "send" my responses (where Marek and
others helped me write the daily wget ^ geolocate scripts that have
garnered about six or seven thousand different currently active IP
addresses which I randomly choose among with a randomizer script) as
needed.

In effect, Carlos, I like the leafnode use model so much that I'm _already_
using that leafnode use model, if I understand it correctly.

I'm just using "vpn" instead of "modem" & "vi" instead of "leafnode".

This would happen daily, hourly, or any period the admin would define
with cron. This was/is on Linux, maybe there were other tools for Windows.


The platform doesn't matter as long as it works on _both_ which is how all
my scripts are, which, essentially, are simple calls to "vi" & "telnet".

The current advantage now that dial up modems are not used is that the
clients read posts much faster. It also allows automatic connection to
several upstream nntp servers: if one doesn't work, it goes to another.


If I had known about "leafnode" long ago, I likely would have explored it
as the use model seems similar to what I'm using now with "vi" & "telnet".

PULL:
1. Connect to any one of thousands of VPN IP addresses
2. Download Usenet messages using "telnet"
3. Disconnect from VPN...
.....
Then, offline, compose responses in "vi" (or "vim" on Windows, to be clear)
.....
PUSH:
A. Connect to VPN...
B. Upload Usenet messages using "telnet"
C. Disconnect from VPN...

That's my current use model, where "leafnode" would have fit.
But at this point in time, "leafnode" would simply be redundant.

This question is about a "proxy" instead of "vpn".

I can also search for a text on a group or bunch of groups, because the
"server" is in my machine and I have access to its files.


I generally search for "text" on a group using "grep" or "findstr".
I can also use the Usenet shortcuts I personally created years ago:
http://tinyurl.com/alt-os-linux
http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10
http://tinyurl.com/comp-sys-mac-apps
etc.

Knowledgeable users who know the answer can add to our knowledge.


I hate your mania of saying that phrase.


Hi Carlos,

The _reason_ I tried to put off all the bull**** answers is that keywords
are involved.

I know Usenet as well as you do Carlos - where the keyword trolls
have a field day EVERY time certain keywords are mentioned.
o Mike Easter is normally an ok guy - but he's a keyword troll whenever the
keyword of "VPN" is involved.

He says the _same_ thing EVERY time the word "VPN" is involved.
o I could be asking how to _spell_ VPN, and he's _still_ say the same thing

Hence, the _reason_ I came down strong in the OP & on Mike is simple
o I'm trying to NOT waste everyone's time on these idiotic keyword trolls!

The keyword trolls don't even _read_ the question!
o They respond _only_ to the keyword.

And, they _always_ say the same idiotic things to those keywords.
o I am simply trying to _avoid_ the keyword trolls, Carlos.

You know me well, and you know that I'm about ACTIONABLE answers.
I'm not on usenet to waste my time (or yours) on keyword bull****.

Many people on Usenet are "keyworded" bull****ters, Carlos - you know that.

The mere mention of a "keyword" brings out their trolls.
o They _always_ respond the _same_ to certain keywords!
o They don't add _any_ value because all they do is respond to keywords
o I could be asking how to _spell_ VPN, and they'd still respond the same.

Mike did that.
o In general Mike isn't a keyword troll
o But in this case, Mike fell into the _classic_ keyword troll trap.

In the "olden" days, the keyword trolls responded differently:
o Every time they saw "vpn", they'd respond to "roll your own".

Nowadays, the keyword trolls respond differently:
o Every time they see "vpn" they say it's not safe.

Mike, who generally is NOT a keyword troll, has interacted with me on this
VPN issue over the past year or two, and EVERY time Mike throws out his
keyword bull**** of the "its not safe".

OK. It's not safe. I get it.
o But that doesn't change the fact it's useful.

So Mike then throws out an article that says "use a proxy instead".
o But that article is bull**** - because there is no proxy.

Or is there?
o That's the reason for _this_ question, Carlos.

Is there a free proxy that works with free Usenet servers?

It's a simple question, Carlos - but I'll bet I'll waste my time on it.
o I'll bet _everyone_ will waste their time.

You know why, Carlos?
o Very few people are NOT keyword bull****ters, Carlos.

And...
o There may be no known proxies that can work with nntp servers Carlos.

In summary...
1. The question is easy to comprehend & difficult to answer.
2. The reason is that the answer may be that a proxy doesn't exist.
3. Very few (if any) of us, know the answer (not me either).

Everything else except the answer (or workaround) ... is a waste of time.

Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

I don't have the foggiest idea what an nntp proxy would be in your
context, what would it be useful for.


Hi Carlos,

It's not an "nntp proxy"; it's a proxy ... that works with nntp servers.
(HINT: Most proxies are "web" proxies which are useless for nntp traffic.)

The question came up when Mike posted an article that said that people use
VPN as a glorified proxy when they shouldn't use VPN as a glorified proxy.

Specifically the article stated that people should use proxies.
All I'm trying to do is _follow_ that advice for NNTP traffic.

Remember Carlos, we all know _most_ (all?) proxies work with HTTP traffic.
o They abound in the hundreds, Carlos (everyone knows that).

This isn't about proxies that work with HTTP traffic, Carlos.
o This is about proxies which work with Usenet posts.

Specifically, this single simple question:
Q: Is there a free proxy that works with nntp servers?

An nntp proxy would just be an nntp server that forwards to another nntp
server - which by definition converts it into another nntp server, not a
proxy. It would not necessarily anonymize the user.


That's not the question, Carlos, but thanks for taking a stab at it.

Remember, the article Mike posted says use a proxy instead of VPN
if all you want to do is change the IP address (e.g., change the country).

OK.

What free proxy works with free NNTP server traffic?
Q1: What free proxy works with Paolo Amoroso's free nntp server?
Q2: What free proxy works with Wolfgang Weyland's free nntp service?
Q3: What free proxy works with Steve Crook's free nntp server.
Q4: What free proxy works with Alex de Joode's free nntp server setup?
Q5: What free proxy works with Roman Racine's free nntp setup?
Q6: What free proxy would have worked with Jesse Rehmer' free nntp server?
Q7: What free proxy works with Steen Jensen's free nntp service?
Q8: What proxy works with Daniel & Monika Weber & Benjamin Gufler's server?

If the answer to any of those questions is that it doesn't exist,
o Then the article that Mike posted is sheer and utter bull****.

You can _tell_ people to use a proxy
o But if the proxy doesn't work
o Then the article is advocating sheer & utter bull****

To be clear, my intent is NOT to prove the article is bull****
o Sure, I _think_ the article is bull****, but that's not my intent

My intent is to _find_ a free proxy that works with those free nntp servers.
o The keyword trolls are having a field day with this _simple_ question.

In summary, these are the answers to your questions:
1. I wrote the OP to ask a simple question about proxies
2. We all know about proxies that work with HTTP but what about NNTP?
3. I know that keyword trolls abound - so I tried to STOP them proactively

Keyword trolls respond the _same_ every single time to a given keyword
o Unfortunately, for example, Mike _always_ responds the same to "VPN".
o Why?
o I don't know why. Ask him why.
o All I know is that he _always_ responds the same to the VPN keyword.

As for leafnode, it's _not_ a proxy, but it's a "nice idea".
o In fact, had I known about it years ago, I might have used it.

But my use model is, essentially, similar in action to what leafnode does
a. I connect to any of thousands of IP addresses (as a VPN but for a proxy)
b. I pull or push Usenet message
c. I then disconnect from the VPN (which I'm using like a proxy).

Hence, the only question asked in this thread is this simple question:
o What free proxy works with the various free nntp servers?
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NOTE: I don't fear a question that has no answers; it would then be easy to
manage as it would have no responses to deal with that are off topic.
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Old February 18th 19, 04:59 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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On 02/18/2019 9:38 AM, arlen holder wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 15:17:58 -0000 (UTC), arlen holder wrote:

In effect, Carlos, I like the leafnode use model so much that I'm _already_
using that leafnode use model, if I understand it correctly.

I'm just using "vpn" instead of "modem" & "vi" instead of "leafnode".


Correction FROM:
"I'm just using "vpn" instead of "modem" & "vi" instead of "leafnode"
Correction TO:
I'm just using "vpn" instead of "modem" & "_telnet_" instead of "leafnode".

Here is a summary of what this thread asks:
Q: Is there a free proxy that works with free nntp servers, or not?

Here's a summary of what this thread does NOT ask:
Q: Is it true what Paul & Mike opined that nobody has any right to privacy?
Or, more to the point of their veiled accusation:
Q: Is it true that everyone who wants privacy wants it for nefarious purposes?

Here's a summary of WHY this thread even exists?
1. I posted a purposefully helpful post of HOW to set up a free VPN.
2. Mike responded with a keyword-troll response
3. Mike's keyword-troll response is, essentially, "vpn sucks - use a proxy".
4. In addition, Mike essentially made the "right to privacy" claims above.

Here's my RESPONSE to Mikes' keyword troll on "VPN"...
A. I would be HAPPY to use a PROXY instead of a VPN!
B. But that proxy has to _exist_ first.
C. If that proxy does not exist, then Mike's advice is total ignorant bull****.

Worse, here is my RESPONSE to MIke's privacy rant:
A. Mike essentially makes the claim that I have to DEFEND my right to privacy.
B. I respond, strongly, with cites, that this is a common ignorant statement.
C. When I ask Mike to provide cites backing up his ignorant claim, he can't.

Let's state the super obvious things he
1. Nobody has to defend their right to privacy.
2. If you (Paul or Mike) want to claim otherwise, then back it up with cites.
3. Rest assured, I already provided Mike with cites proving my point of view.

That's because my point of view on privacy is what INTELLIGENT people say.
o If you disagree, then I'll provide cites to back up that claim
o Expect me to ask YOU to provide cites that back up YOUR claims.

This thread is NOT about privacy.
o the only reason privacy comes up is the igorance of keyword trolls

EVERY TIME VPN comes up (or a proxy), they act like a cat with a laser beam
o The keyword trolls POUNCE on that laser beam moving across the carpet

Nothing matters to that cat other than the laser beam is MOVING!!!!!!
o That's what the keyword trolls are doing here
o They are POUNCING on the word "VPN" with their pre-prepared spiel

Stop it. Just stop.
o If you don't know the answer to the question, just don't answer it.

I strongly suspect the proxy advice was sheer & utter ignorant bull**** anyway.

In short, the question is trivially simple to comprehend:
A. The suggestion is to use a proxy instead of VPN as a "glorified proxy".
B. I'd be HAPPY to use that suggestion - but a proxy has to exist.

Does it?

NOTE: If the proxy doesn't exist, then the suggestion is ignorant bull****.
And I really hate ignorant bull**** because I'm a man of action.


What the hell are cites?

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Old February 18th 19, 05:22 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 09:59:51 -0600, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

What the hell are cites?


Hi Rene Lamontagne,

The extremely simple question asked in this thread is...
*Q: Is there a free proxy that works with Usenet?*

The answer to your separate question is in this thread cited below:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/Bv8bwG4ggnc/N7knLiUdEgAJ

Mike made a claim out of ignorance, where I simply asked Mike to back up
his claim with respectable cites that support his particularly ignorant
point of view.

Since Mike's claim is a very common ignorant claim, it took me all of ten
seconds to find respectable sites from which I provided Mike with cites.

Mike has _still_ not responded to the simple 3 word question I always use
to point out that people make claims based out of sheer & total ignorance:
o Name just one

In my case, to support my point of view that nobody has to defend their
right to privacy, I easily provided Mike with cites to sites that back up
my claim that the right to privacy does NOT need to be defended.

Using that Google web site, I will quote the cites as shown below:
Do you want _more_ cites from me proving your statement reeks of ignorance?

Here's a Guardian article explaining why your statement reeks of ignorance:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/may/22/edward-snowden-rights-to-privacy-video

Here's a Wikipedia page outlining YOUR blatant ignorant statement:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument

Here's what the Democratic Underground said about your ignorant statement:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028166414

Here's a Business Insider page outlining YOUR blatantly ignorant statement:
https://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-privacy-argument-2016-9

Here's a RightsAndDissent treatise explaining your ignorant statement:
https://rightsanddissent.org/news/privacy-fountainhead-rights-ed-snowden-says-need-protect/

Here's what the Wall Street Journal says about your igorant statement:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/edward-snowden-after-months-of-nsa-revelations-says-his-missions-accomplished/2013/12/23/49fc36de-6c1c-11e3-a523-fe73f0ff6b8d_story.html

o In one quote, Snowden just destroyed the biggest myth about privacy
https://mic.com/articles/119602/in-one-quote-edward-snowden-summed-up-why-our-privacy-is-worth-fighting-for#.ZH66T6m4O
etc

Notice I cite a bunch of sites which support my point of view, Rene.

Paul and Mike essentially seem to be keywording on VPN, where they make
veiled accusations as to WHY everyone wants PRIVACY.

The intelligent point these cited articles make is that the person taking
away your right to privacy has the burden of proof to prove why they feel
you have absolutely no right to privacy.

It's not the other way around.

Mike Easter thinks this is a relatively minor difference in "point of
view".

If it is, and, if Mike is an adult, then he should be able to cite at least
a reasonable set of sites that support his "point of view".

My position is that this is not a "minor" difference in POV.
My position is that Mike's claims are CLASSIC of complete & utter ignorance.

My simple 3-word test of complete & total ignorance is thus:
o Name just one

Since I easily named a half dozen sites with cites that support my POV,
I simply asked Mike to provide a cite that supports his point of view.

In fact, I asked Mike to support his POV using this simple 3-word test
asking for him to find a single well-respected site that supports his POV.

I asked Mike:
o Name just one.

The fact that Mike (did NOT, could not, will not) "Name Just One"
supports my point of view that Mike was advocating complete and utterly
ignorant total bull****.

If I'm not clear enough, Rene, let me know.
HINT: Site is used here as a web site.
DOUBLEHINT: Cite is used here as a URL to an article on that web site.

In summary, the question is:
*Q: Is there a free proxy that works with Usenet?*

If the answer is yes, I'll test it out for the team; and report back.
Everyone benefits from the addition of value to our tribal knowledge.

If no, then Mike's advice was, indeed, complete & total bull****.
If it's merely philosophical, it's not actionable in this context.

*Q: Is there a free proxy that works with Usenet?*
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Old February 18th 19, 06:31 PM posted to alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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arlen holder wrote:
2. Mike posted a helpful article which advised using a proxy instead of vpn


That part is inaccurate.

arlen misread the article I posted.

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Old February 18th 19, 08:15 PM posted to alt.os.linux,comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Ken Blake
wrote:


What the hell are cites?

References.


Thanks, I was mistaking it for sites.


As far as I'm concerned, you are right, and the original post with the
word "cites" is wrong. "Cite" is a verb, not a noun. The noun is
"citation."


it's both. as a noun, it's short for citation.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/cite
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/cite

I'm sure I'm going to get arguments about this, telling me I'm an old
fuddy-duddy and I'm behind the times. So I'll repeat my first five
words in the paragraph above: "as far as I'm concerned."


whatever you want to call it.
 




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