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  #241  
Old October 14th 14, 07:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:13:32 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 10/13/14 10:06 PM, Char Jackson wrote:

I could be wrong, of course, but that's how it looks to me. You complain a
lot about being a beta tester, for example, which is both funny and a bit
sad because it's not accurate. I don't mean any offense by this, but I'm
starting to think that your 5 year old Mac is just the thing for you.
Limited functionality, low performance, but completely STABLE!


Age of the computer regarding stability is irrelevant, unless there's a
hardware issue. It's the OS and software that needs to be stable. So,
even though the computer is 5.5 years old, the OS is not. There's only
been 5 updates to 10.8, how many for the comparable Windows OS? (Sorry,
not up on what was released when, but I suspect the Windows OS would be 7.)


You mentioned the age; I just repeated it. My point wasn't regarding its
age, but rather its perceived stability. You've said that it "just works".
It's still a Mac, of course, so you're going to have all of the usual Mac
limitations, but if it does what you need, then go for it.




Have you read Bob Henson's posts taking a similar position to mine?


Yes, why do you ask?
Your experiences are anecdotal.
Bob's experiences are anecdotal.
My experiences are anecdotal.
*shrug*


Wondering if you saw his similar feeling about it.

Although, if I'd taken the time to wade through Bugzilla and posted bug
reports on various items that "bug" me (LOL) would they still be anecdotal?


Taken individually, everyone's experiences are more or less anecdotal, no?
Patterns begin to emerge when multiple experiences are considered as a
group, but I'm also aware that the entire purpose of bug reporting lists are
to collect bug reports. People who aren't having problems seldom visit and
even more seldom post there about their positive experiences. It's easy to
come away with a bad impression.

I don't use the ESR release either. So I've no idea how things work
there. But the number of times the add-ons are broken, when comparing
your experiences to mine, is meaningless unless we have the same
add-ons, the same OS et. al., and use the programs in the same manner.


I fully agree. I think I said virtually the same thing earlier in the
thread.

If it's really a big deal to you, just pay someone to keep your Mozilla
products updated for you. That should be way less stressful for you.


Not likely to find one where I live. LOL


The hills of Kentucky, where it's easier to find a moonshiner than to find a
computer nerd?

Best solution is to go
elsewhere software wise, but admittedly, too low on the list to get done
immediately. Although, all I really need to do is set up the accounts
in Outlook and I'm off an running for email.


I've been using various versions of Outlook for what seems like at least 15
years now. I think it's the best for me and my needs, but it isn't perfect.
I hope you have a good experience with it.

Firefox is OK, it's really TB that infuriates me. But since they
switched to the "Australus" theme in FF, AKA dumbed down like Chrome,
it's a PITA to add back in via add-ons to get something more versatile
and complete with features.


I don't know what you're referring to when you talk about being dumbed down.
What am I missing? I did add Classic Theme Restorer to put the tabs back on
the bottom, but I don't think I noticed much of anything else. Can you
remind me?

Just think, when you moved from that bicycle to the car, you could
have bought a Yugo. :-)


Since Yugo (and bicycle) is a euphemism for Mac in this conversation, I'll
just say no thanks.


I'd say you got that wrong. LOL We're not talking operating systems,
we're talking software.


I was talking about the entire ecosystem.

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  #242  
Old October 14th 14, 08:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gene E. Bloch[_2_]
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:26:42 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:03:52 -0400, Silver Slimer wrote:

"He's a troll, that's his stock and trade." - RonB


Noramlly, one says "stock in trade" :-)

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...stock-in-trade

(Unlike me, they like hyphens.)

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...tock-and-trade


And of course I made my own error in the above :-)

BTW, I recognize that the phrase I commented on is from your sig, and to
me it appears to be a quote from someone else. I should have admitted
that in my first reply, of course.

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  #243  
Old October 15th 14, 02:20 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Springer[_2_]
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On 10/14/14 12:59 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:13:32 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 10/13/14 10:06 PM, Char Jackson wrote:

I could be wrong, of course, but that's how it looks to me. You complain a
lot about being a beta tester, for example, which is both funny and a bit
sad because it's not accurate. I don't mean any offense by this, but I'm
starting to think that your 5 year old Mac is just the thing for you.
Limited functionality, low performance, but completely STABLE!


Age of the computer regarding stability is irrelevant, unless there's a
hardware issue. It's the OS and software that needs to be stable. So,
even though the computer is 5.5 years old, the OS is not. There's only
been 5 updates to 10.8, how many for the comparable Windows OS? (Sorry,
not up on what was released when, but I suspect the Windows OS would be 7.)


You mentioned the age; I just repeated it. My point wasn't regarding its
age, but rather its perceived stability. You've said that it "just works".
It's still a Mac, of course, so you're going to have all of the usual Mac
limitations, but if it does what you need, then go for it.


I mentioned age as a general indicator of the hardware capability, my
bad for not making that clearer. Usually, I also mention I've a Win7/8
machine that runs circles around this Mac, and no desire to switch back
to Windows just for the speed. Came to the Mac world from XP, and I
just don't find Windows to feel all that "welcoming" to me, for lack of
a better word. FWIW, I still find the XP UI to be the best of the last 4.

Stability... To me, that's a question of how often it locks up, and how
often patches are released for the OS, or any software that seems to tie
itself to the OS fairly closely, like MS Office and IE. I'm not
including Adobe and Java products here. By this guideline, how often is
a Windows OS updated/patched compared to OS X?

How often do Windows systems simply lock up, and users have to resort to
Task Manager to kill something, or the power button to reboot? In all
honesty, this Mac has never done that until the last couple of months,
and it's done it twice. No clue yet, as to what's causing it, but it
could be OE. I usually have all the same programs running at the same
time, and haven't added anything new in ages. In fact, just went
through the system a couple of weeks ago and removed software I don't
use at all.

Limitations depends on the goals/needs of the user. If a users
goals/needs are more than met by what they have, there's no good reason
to upgrade unless you go out on the net in places where security becomes
an issue. That's not me, and I do run AV software, since day 1, that
checks for both Windows and Mac viruses. The only issues I've found was
years ago, when I copied some files from my brother-in-law's Win7 computer.

The conclusion by a user that the computer they have still meets or
exceeds isn't going to make MS or Apple happy. And by the statistics,
there's still quite a few XP users that apparently have similar
feelings, despite ending of support.

Have you read Bob Henson's posts taking a similar position to mine?

Yes, why do you ask?
Your experiences are anecdotal.
Bob's experiences are anecdotal.
My experiences are anecdotal.
*shrug*


Wondering if you saw his similar feeling about it.

Although, if I'd taken the time to wade through Bugzilla and posted bug
reports on various items that "bug" me (LOL) would they still be anecdotal?


Taken individually, everyone's experiences are more or less anecdotal, no?
Patterns begin to emerge when multiple experiences are considered as a
group, but I'm also aware that the entire purpose of bug reporting lists are
to collect bug reports. People who aren't having problems seldom visit and
even more seldom post there about their positive experiences. It's easy to
come away with a bad impression.


If you're the lone wolf in the wilderness, probably anecdotal. But when
others start to chime in and say "I have the same issue", it's no longer
anecdotal and developers should start looking into it.

When I started out with open source products, and after wading through
Bugzilla, I filed bug problems. But, even when the bugs were confirmed,
they often went unfixed. After a while, I figured if they weren't
interested in addressing the issues, why should I care? Isn't the whole
purpose of reporting bugs to get them fixed?

I don't use the ESR release either. So I've no idea how things work
there. But the number of times the add-ons are broken, when comparing
your experiences to mine, is meaningless unless we have the same
add-ons, the same OS et. al., and use the programs in the same manner.


I fully agree. I think I said virtually the same thing earlier in the
thread.


You may have, and even in other threads. :-)

If it's really a big deal to you, just pay someone to keep your Mozilla
products updated for you. That should be way less stressful for you.


Not likely to find one where I live. LOL


The hills of Kentucky, where it's easier to find a moonshiner than to find a
computer nerd?


LOL Maybe similar. I'm pretty much smack on the 9,000' contour line,
Colorado Rockies.

Best solution is to go
elsewhere software wise, but admittedly, too low on the list to get done
immediately. Although, all I really need to do is set up the accounts
in Outlook and I'm off an running for email.


I've been using various versions of Outlook for what seems like at least 15
years now. I think it's the best for me and my needs, but it isn't perfect.
I hope you have a good experience with it.


I really liked using Outlook 2003 (Windows), and used it via a VM and XP
when I first got this Mac. Then, discovered Thunderbird, and initial
impression was TB was as good as Outlook, but a lot more configurable.
But as time went on, and I found first this problem, then that problem,
and more, and as newer versions kept screwing with the way I had it
configured, the dissatisfaction settled in. Especially after learning a
lot of the built-in features of Outlook had to be supplied by third
party authors. That meant the core TB was not equal to Outlook, and if
the third party author quit updating, you were now missing a feature you
want.

At one time, I told everyone I knew they should use TB, now I tell them
not to use it. Some of those I've recommended it to have also quit
using it.

I'd actually tried version 2 or 3 in my XP days, didn't like it.

Firefox is OK, it's really TB that infuriates me. But since they
switched to the "Australus" theme in FF, AKA dumbed down like Chrome,
it's a PITA to add back in via add-ons to get something more versatile
and complete with features.


I don't know what you're referring to when you talk about being dumbed down.
What am I missing? I did add Classic Theme Restorer to put the tabs back on
the bottom, but I don't think I noticed much of anything else. Can you
remind me?


Dumbed down... The redesign of everything so it works well on tablets
and smartphones, from software to web pages to fewer features to ????????.

Likewise for Classic Theme Restorer, plus Nautipolis in FF.

Just think, when you moved from that bicycle to the car, you could
have bought a Yugo. :-)

Since Yugo (and bicycle) is a euphemism for Mac in this conversation, I'll
just say no thanks.


I'd say you got that wrong. LOL We're not talking operating systems,
we're talking software.


I was talking about the entire ecosystem.


Ah, OK.



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Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
  #244  
Old October 16th 14, 06:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gene Wirchenko[_2_]
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:44:38 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:48:10 -0700, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

IMHO, they screwed up the tabs in [Firefox] 29. I reverted very quickly
and have stuck with 28.


Was that the "tabs on top" thing? I use Classic Theme Restorer to put them
back down where they belong. No reason to stay with an older version with
such a quick fix available.


Yes, there is. The old version works for me.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
 




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