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  #61  
Old August 2nd 13, 05:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Ken Springer wrote:

On 8/1/13 10:47 PM, XS11E wrote:
Intuit does make Mac editions.


I think Intuit only makes a bare bones version for the Mac these
days.


I see you're correct, I thought they offered other products or used to?

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  #62  
Old August 2nd 13, 05:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Richard Rose wrote:

Zaphod Beeblebrox submitted this idea :


Start *where* exactly? Give me a concrete example of a bug in
Windows 3.1 that exists today in Windows 8, and since you seem to
be focused on the programming aspect, give me a code sample that
exposes the bug.


I'm not an unpaid bug tester, do you own (*&(&^%^£(^& research!


Didn't think you could! G

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Old August 2nd 13, 05:41 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Dave wrote:


Oh, by the way, there is a third thing, Linux people in their NG's
can be obnoxious and unhelpful,correction, a lot of them are rude,
obnoxious and unhelpful.


And the Linux trolls who infest Windows NGs are often the most rude,
obnoxious and unhelpful which is why I have an enormous scorefile! I
never see 'em but I feel sorry for those who do.

In fairness, there are some very helpful people in Linux NGs and a few
of 'em in Windows groups.

During my struggles with Mandrake (now Mandriva) Linux I would have
given up a lot sooner were it not for people like Blinky the Shark, may
he RIP....


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  #64  
Old August 2nd 13, 06:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 02 Aug 2013, Richard Rose wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

Nil wrote :
On 01 Aug 2013, Richard Rose wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

And you dont have to contend with bugs with MS cant fix that go
back Windows 3.1


Such as what?


In other words, you can't name any.
  #65  
Old August 2nd 13, 07:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 09:35:35 -0700, XS11E wrote:

Richard Rose wrote:

Zaphod Beeblebrox submitted this idea :


Start *where* exactly? Give me a concrete example of a bug in
Windows 3.1 that exists today in Windows 8, and since you seem to
be focused on the programming aspect, give me a code sample that
exposes the bug.


I'm not an unpaid bug tester, do you own (*&(&^%^£(^& research!


Didn't think you could! G


Me grin too.

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  #66  
Old August 2nd 13, 08:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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XS11E formulated the question :
Richard Rose wrote:

Zaphod Beeblebrox submitted this idea :


Start *where* exactly? Give me a concrete example of a bug in
Windows 3.1 that exists today in Windows 8, and since you seem to
be focused on the programming aspect, give me a code sample that
exposes the bug.


I'm not an unpaid bug tester, do you own (*&(&^%^£(^& research!


Didn't think you could! G


Do your own hacking is all I'm gonna say! :-)


  #67  
Old August 2nd 13, 08:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Gene E. Bloch explained :
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 09:35:35 -0700, XS11E wrote:

Richard Rose wrote:

Zaphod Beeblebrox submitted this idea :
Start *where* exactly? Give me a concrete example of a bug in
Windows 3.1 that exists today in Windows 8, and since you seem to
be focused on the programming aspect, give me a code sample that
exposes the bug.

I'm not an unpaid bug tester, do you own (*&(&^%^£(^& research!


Didn't think you could! G


Me grin too.


Asch conformity and Milgram's obedience to Authority is worth looking
into to explain some behaviour. :-)


  #68  
Old August 2nd 13, 08:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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It happens that Nil formulated :
On 02 Aug 2013, Richard Rose wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

Nil wrote :
On 01 Aug 2013, Richard Rose wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

And you dont have to contend with bugs with MS cant fix that go
back Windows 3.1

Such as what?


In other words, you can't name any.


Give me one good reason why I should be an unpaid bug tester for M$?


  #69  
Old August 2nd 13, 08:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 15:54:27 +0100, "Richard Rose"
wrote in article ...

Zaphod Beeblebrox submitted this idea :
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 14:53:17 +0100, "Richard Rose"
wrote in article ...

Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote on 02/08/2013 :
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 14:40:40 +0100, "Richard Rose"
wrote in article ...

Nil wrote :
On 01 Aug 2013, Richard Rose wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

And you dont have to contend with bugs with MS cant fix that go
back Windows 3.1

Such as what?

Learn to program then you will find them out!


OK, I'll bite - I know how to program, but haven't yet encountered any
Windows bugs that date back to the 16-bit Windows 3.1 days. Please,
give me an example.

For a start there was 32bit code in the 16bit Windows 3.1 code,


In Enhanced Mode (which affects the operation of the OS itself, but is
not exposed in userland) and with the Win32s extensions, yes, that's
correct. So what's your point?

you can start there.


Start *where* exactly? Give me a concrete example of a bug in Windows
3.1 that exists today in Windows 8, and since you seem to be focused on
the programming aspect, give me a code sample that exposes the bug.


I'm not an unpaid bug tester, do you own (*&(&^%^£(^& research!


Hang on, you made the claim so the burden of proof falls to you, not
me. Otherwise, wear the appellation "Troll".

TYFP

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  #70  
Old August 2nd 13, 08:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Zaphod Beeblebrox expressed precisely :
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 15:54:27 +0100, "Richard Rose"
wrote in article ...

Zaphod Beeblebrox submitted this idea :
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 14:53:17 +0100, "Richard Rose"
wrote in article ...

Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote on 02/08/2013 :
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 14:40:40 +0100, "Richard Rose"
wrote in article ...

Nil wrote :
On 01 Aug 2013, Richard Rose wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

And you dont have to contend with bugs with MS cant fix that go
back Windows 3.1

Such as what?

Learn to program then you will find them out!


OK, I'll bite - I know how to program, but haven't yet encountered any
Windows bugs that date back to the 16-bit Windows 3.1 days. Please,
give me an example.

For a start there was 32bit code in the 16bit Windows 3.1 code,

In Enhanced Mode (which affects the operation of the OS itself, but is
not exposed in userland) and with the Win32s extensions, yes, that's
correct. So what's your point?

you can start there.

Start *where* exactly? Give me a concrete example of a bug in Windows
3.1 that exists today in Windows 8, and since you seem to be focused on
the programming aspect, give me a code sample that exposes the bug.


I'm not an unpaid bug tester, do you own (*&(&^%^£(^& research!


Hang on, you made the claim so the burden of proof falls to you, not
me. Otherwise, wear the appellation "Troll".

TYFP


Label me a troll if that will make you feel better.
You can call me anything you like, no skin off my nose.


  #71  
Old August 2nd 13, 09:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Zaphod Beeblebrox formulated on Friday :
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 15:54:27 +0100, "Richard Rose"
wrote in article ...

Zaphod Beeblebrox submitted this idea :
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 14:53:17 +0100, "Richard Rose"
wrote in article ...

Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote on 02/08/2013 :
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 14:40:40 +0100, "Richard Rose"
wrote in article ...

Nil wrote :
On 01 Aug 2013, Richard Rose wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

And you dont have to contend with bugs with MS cant fix that go
back Windows 3.1

Such as what?

Learn to program then you will find them out!


OK, I'll bite - I know how to program, but haven't yet encountered any
Windows bugs that date back to the 16-bit Windows 3.1 days. Please,
give me an example.

For a start there was 32bit code in the 16bit Windows 3.1 code,

In Enhanced Mode (which affects the operation of the OS itself, but is
not exposed in userland) and with the Win32s extensions, yes, that's
correct. So what's your point?

you can start there.

Start *where* exactly? Give me a concrete example of a bug in Windows
3.1 that exists today in Windows 8, and since you seem to be focused on
the programming aspect, give me a code sample that exposes the bug.


I'm not an unpaid bug tester, do you own (*&(&^%^£(^& research!


Hang on, you made the claim so the burden of proof falls to you, not
me. Otherwise, wear the appellation "Troll".

TYFP


BTW if you are a windows programmer you might be using a recent MS
Exchange Server like say exchange 2010 from the MAPS or MSDN.

Did you know in their wisdom all emails sent from Exchange server gives
out the IP addresses of the workstations that sent the email, it wasnt
like this in Exchange 2003.

Look for this in the internet headers of the email:
x-originating-ip: [192.168.16.39]

Talk about increasing the attack vector for hackers to attack
businesses!

Here is another example of poor MS products yet they are still happy to
ship knowing hacked software in windows 8, what gives? Are they trying
to make life easier for the NSA, like Google's new "always listening"
moto-x?
http://www.h-online.com/security/new...P-1672257.html


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Old August 2nd 13, 10:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 20:30:20 +0100, Richard Rose wrote:

It happens that Nil formulated :
On 02 Aug 2013, Richard Rose wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

Nil wrote :
On 01 Aug 2013, Richard Rose wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

And you dont have to contend with bugs with MS cant fix that go
back Windows 3.1

Such as what?


In other words, you can't name any.


Give me one good reason why I should be an unpaid bug tester for M$?


I don't recall that anyone was asking you to be a bug tester. The
responders were asking you to list some of the bugs that you claim
exist.

It definitely seems to me that those questions were rather more
reasonable than your responses to them.

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  #73  
Old August 2nd 13, 10:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 02 Aug 2013, Richard Rose wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

Give me one good reason why I should be an unpaid bug tester for M$?


Sounds like you think Microsoft is covertly watching you post to Usenet
newsgroups, waiting for you the SuperHacker to reveal the previously
unknown bugs in their APIs which you alone have uncovered, which they
will then use to expand their evil empire and take over the universe.

You now have two choices: you can promise to keep those bugs secret and
know you have saved the world from destruction, or you can divulge them
and spend your life hiding under a variety of assumed identities.

You better decide quick, before they hunt you down and make you an
offer you can't refuse.
  #74  
Old August 3rd 13, 03:47 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 8/2/13 10:33 AM, XS11E wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

On 8/1/13 10:47 PM, XS11E wrote:
Intuit does make Mac editions.


I think Intuit only makes a bare bones version for the Mac these
days.


I see you're correct, I thought they offered other products or used to?


Used to is the key phrase. PO'ed a lot of Mac users.


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Old August 3rd 13, 04:27 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 8/1/13 1:35 PM, Bob Henson wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

On 8/1/13 9:33 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
Warren Post wrote:

On 07/31/2013 08:39 PM, Paul wrote:
Juan Wei wrote:
ray carter has written on 7/31/2013 8:21 PM:


snip

I just don't understand the idea that you *have* to have MS Office,
Adobe Photoshop, Corel Draw, etc. And it frustrates me to no end! LOL

If you work in a company that uses Microsoft Office, you *do* have to have
it. LibreOffice in not sufficiently compatible. That applies to many, many
applications. Many are only written for Windows - nearly all of them, if we
are talking commercial software.


My comment wasn't meant to apply to just big companies using Office, it
was meant for everyone who uses Office, but doesn't need the advanced
features.

Office A may be large, and use the advanced features of Office. But
Offices B, C, D, & E may be small offices, and have no need for those
features. Do they need Office?

Do the parents of junior high students need to have Office for their
kids to do history and English papers? I think not.

Unless a program has a specific function/feature you need, there are a
myriad of programs out there that can replace any of those programs.
And many are free and cross platform.


Unless, as you say, you need a specific feature. People frequently do. It's
OK with e-mail and browsing - but not much else is cross-platform.


Define frequently. Of 100 average Photoshop users (program picked just
for this explanation, nothing more), do you really think most of them
use a specific feature found only in Photoshop? For the type of editing
I do on images, Irfanview does what I need, I don't need Photoshop.

No one *needs* a specific program. All that is needed is for the
program you are using to have the features you need/want, and to be able
to read the other guy's files. I learned this in my 8-bit days.
Nothing more, nothing less.


Quite right. *If* there is a program with the set of features you need.
Usually their isn't, and only one will do.


It sound to me like you're speaking of a small group of overall users,
needing specific functions. I'm talking about all users, and I believe
most of them do not need the high end features of programs like Office,
or Photoshop as I used as an example above.

Look at the logical end... If it got to the point where MS Word was the
only word processor available anywhere. MS could make all kinds of
changes you don't like, bugs they never fix, etc. Now what's your option?


If a company uses Word, that has already happened - nothing else will do.
You can't have every employee playing "run what you brung" - it doesn't
work. Compatibility is the key, and as yet, no-one has cracked Microsoft
near-monopoly of the business market - to be compatible, you get Office.


But again, the small offices/companies probably don't have the IT
control that says you will only use Word or program X. Some of these
small companies may be unwilling to pay for Office, simply to keep their
costs down.

H E Double Hockey Sticks, even Apple's TextEdit (more or less Notepad in
Windows) will save .docx files.


But under Linux (which is what I was talking about) there isn't anything
that will write .docx files, unless they've changed LibreOffice of late to
use Microsoft's patented file format precisely. When you see the levels of
complexity that big business uses in its documents you can see why - the
change tracking system built into Word documents, for example, is wrecked
if any other program gets hold of them and modifies them.


I don't know the exact status of the docx compatibility in LO, but it
has been an issue in their support area. But each release gets better.
Heck, I've read where even MS hasn't always gotten it right. LOL

And LO is not the only word processor I've seen that says it can
read/write docx files. I avoid that format anyway, since I don't want
to force folks to have to use MS's compatibility packs. Nothing I've
ever done in Word requires the .docx format.

I guess my point is, if I even have one (LOL), is you don't need the
high end, costly programs to do the vast majority of computer tasks out
there. So, why do people seem to think they just have to have them
instead of something else?


It depend on the tasks you have to do. I'm retired too, and I still find I
need some of the high end programs. Luckily, I still have them.


It does sound to me like you are involved in using features of software
that the majority of users have no idea how to use.



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