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  #46  
Old November 15th 13, 11:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gordon
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Default MS Office box copy?

On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 13:33:21 -0500, "...winston"
wrote:

Gordon wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:42:33 -0600, Gordon
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:45:57 -0500, "...winston"
wrote:

Gordon wrote:

I still can't make a decision on this. I just went to the local
computer store and read the information on the little envelope that
contains some kind of business card with a code on it. It seems to me
that buying one of these will let me set my one computer up to do my
regular MS Office work on cloud nine or some such. That is, I won't
have a copy of the MS Office client software installed on my computer.
Did I misinterpret the information on the MS Office 2013 envelopes at
the store?

Here are the Office versions available.

http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/...oryID.62684700


Which box did you read ?

365 is subscription based, Office 2013 is not.
- Some 365 plans come with locally installed Office applications.
- All Office 2013 version install Office locally on your machine.

- W

I guess I must have been reading the wrong box. I'll go back tomorrow
and have another look.

I would really like to find a box copy that would let me choose which
components it contains. I don't need anything other than Word, Excel
and Outlook, but all the available boxes include One Note, Access and
Publisher. I wish I could do a pick and choose, but I see no way to do
this. Gordon

I really messed things up, yesterday. I went to Staples and bought one
of the envelope things with MS Office Home & Business 3013 printed on
the face of it. Inside there was a small card with a Product Key on
it. I followed the directions inside this little envelope and tried to
do a download & install of MS. Office Home and Business 2013. When I
finished, no changes had been made on my computer other than some of
my existing programs had been modified a bit, yet were still the same
2010 version. For example, my Microsoft Outlook is now a (Trial)
version. Then I noticed that all the download and install had been
done on the Microsoft Sky Drive. I can access all the programs in this
Home Business setup and use them on Sky Drive, but I cannot get them
installed onto my own computer. What can I try, next? Gordon

Office 2013 doesn't install Office applications to SkyDrive.

I guess I really got my installation messed up some way. I can go onto
SkyDrive and use any of my Office 2013 apps but I cannot find a trace
of them on my desktop computer.

qp
When you install Office 2013 suites or programs, the Setup program uses
the Program Files\Microsoft Office folder as the default folder on a
32-bit version of Windows, or the Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office
folder as the default folder on a 64-bit version of Windows.The Office
Bin default folder in these versions of windows are Program
Files\Microsoft Office\Office15 and Program Files (x86)\Microsoft
Office\Office15 respectively. The Office Bin folder is the folder in
which the Office executable files are installed.

Winston, I checked this out and the folders you mention are in place
except I can't find anything named Office Bin. Is this short for
Binary?

Also I notice that the MS Office software shown in any of these
folders is all of the Office 2010 set. That is, I found NOTHING that
even mentioned MS Office 2013 in any of these folders.

Outlook 2013 cannot coexist with any earlier version of Outlook. When
you install Outlook 2013, the Setup program removes any earlier versions
of Outlook that are installed.
/qp

Maybe I need to uninstall all my MS Office 2010 files before trying to
do a download and install of MS Office 2013.

Also see
http://support.microsoft.com/find-so...e/office-2013/
Links for each of the following are available
- Activating
- Downloading
- Finding the product key
- Installing the Software
- Obtaining physical media

I have gone through the process of keying in my 25 digit Product Key
in the spaces provided and have then had no problems with the download
process until it reaches the end of the "Streaming" process and asks
me to sign in. Then I get a movie that tells me some of the nice
features of Office 2013 but when I finish that it's the end of the
rope, so to speak. Everything goes bonkers and there is nothing to let
me sign in or activate my MS Office 2013 programs. There are no icons
in the Office 14 or 15 folders that seem to pertain to my recent
downloads. The icons I find there all pertain to the earlier 2011
version of MS Office. Gordon

If you saw the error ' Something went wrong'...then it usually indicates
a second installation of Office was started before the first install.
See
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2827031/en-us

Okay, one more thing...I went to the Control Panel Programs
Programs and Features then clicked on Change. I got a popup that
listed all my installed programs. I then selected Microsoft Office
Home and Business 2013 en-us then clicked on Change at the top of this
list. It seemed to be going through some kind of extensive searching
and cleaning up. When it was finished it did another of those download
slipstream processes but, an hour and a half later, when it was
finished, I still couldn't find anything that indicated that I had MS
Office 2013 installed. That is, the Program Files (x86) \Microsoft
Office\Office 15 folder didn't have anything in it that seemed to tie
in with Office 2013. There were only four files in this folder and all
were dated 10/15/2013:

OSPP
OSPP
OSPPREARM
SLERROR

Gordon
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  #47  
Old November 16th 13, 07:00 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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....winston wrote:


The download link on heidoc.net is to the exact same file that is
available via the link in the product key card.
- www.officedn.microsoft

Doesn't matter what site...the source is the same.


Yes, using this thread, I got the information I needed.
Mainly, that Microsoft does not provide an install format
useful for IT personnel, even in the download ISO image.
I hope the marketing people are reading the comments from
the users in that thread, at their peril. Click-To-Run
is not making any friends.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/o...d38823e?page=1

If you jerk people around enough at install time, they
*will* start checking what the competition has to offer
in the way of software.

Microsoft has obviously given up on the consumer
market, and will torture corporate users instead
(kinda like an Oracle business model). Makes sense.

Paul
  #48  
Old November 16th 13, 07:22 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Gordon wrote:

Maybe my problems with MS Office 2013 hiding in the shadows on my new
HP Pavilion with Windows 8.1 is that I have this computer set up to
run in 64 bit mode while MS Office 2013 prefers the (MUCH ADVANCED) 32
bit mode???

When I try to go back through the download/install process it seems to
get started with the job then I get a pop-up screen that says,
"Something went wrong. Office can't do that right now because your
product is busy with another task. Please wait for this task to
complete and try again.

Go online for more help."

So, I shut all my other client software down and left the computer
overnight, hoping it would finish this other task, but this morning I
got the same popup and nothing could be found that would clear the
"other task" out of the way. Gordon


"product is busy with another task"

Something locking an important file ?

Your AV software may be scanning files, at the same
time the installer is running. Disable the AV before
the Office Installer starts.

The Indexer can be paused, if you can find the control
panel for it. The Indexer could be attempting to index
the freshly installed files. I would not have thought
it would use file locking, but you never know.

That's about the only things that comes to mind.

You could do control-alt-delete and use the Task
Manager, examine the processes in there, and see
if that jogs your memory in terms of programs
that "shadow" other activities, and throw
file locks on things.

*******

Your symptoms will be common enough, that plenty of
others will experience them :-)

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/o...a-5765c69e1f9f

The canned response at the top, is kinda like mine.
Only it does add "Microsoft Office Service" to the
picture, whatever that is.

This isn't the same product you're trying to install,
but it does have some suggestions you can work on.

http://community.spiceworks.com/topi...ing-went-wrong

They mention this KB, but I see no reason why this
should be required. I wonder if this removes anything
else, while it is at it ?

"Uninstall Microsoft Office 2013 or Office 365"
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2739501

Hmmm. In that KB, they mention

"Manual steps to remove Microsoft Office 2013 MSI installations"

That means, somewhere out there, there is an MSI version
of the damn product :-) I'm warming up my downloader...
Damn. Only one product comes that way.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/o...76575f1?page=1

Paul
  #49  
Old November 16th 13, 07:41 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gordon
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On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 13:33:21 -0500, "...winston"
wrote:

Gordon wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:42:33 -0600, Gordon
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:45:57 -0500, "...winston"
wrote:

Gordon wrote:

I still can't make a decision on this. I just went to the local
computer store and read the information on the little envelope that
contains some kind of business card with a code on it. It seems to me
that buying one of these will let me set my one computer up to do my
regular MS Office work on cloud nine or some such. That is, I won't
have a copy of the MS Office client software installed on my computer.
Did I misinterpret the information on the MS Office 2013 envelopes at
the store?

Here are the Office versions available.

http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/...oryID.62684700


Which box did you read ?

365 is subscription based, Office 2013 is not.
- Some 365 plans come with locally installed Office applications.
- All Office 2013 version install Office locally on your machine.

- W

I guess I must have been reading the wrong box. I'll go back tomorrow
and have another look.

I would really like to find a box copy that would let me choose which
components it contains. I don't need anything other than Word, Excel
and Outlook, but all the available boxes include One Note, Access and
Publisher. I wish I could do a pick and choose, but I see no way to do
this. Gordon

I really messed things up, yesterday. I went to Staples and bought one
of the envelope things with MS Office Home & Business 3013 printed on
the face of it. Inside there was a small card with a Product Key on
it. I followed the directions inside this little envelope and tried to
do a download & install of MS. Office Home and Business 2013. When I
finished, no changes had been made on my computer other than some of
my existing programs had been modified a bit, yet were still the same
2010 version. For example, my Microsoft Outlook is now a (Trial)
version. Then I noticed that all the download and install had been
done on the Microsoft Sky Drive. I can access all the programs in this
Home Business setup and use them on Sky Drive, but I cannot get them
installed onto my own computer. What can I try, next? Gordon

Office 2013 doesn't install Office applications to SkyDrive.

Winston, It seems to have done so in my situation. SkyDive is the only
place I can open and use any of my Office 2013 client software.

This morning I did a program removal (from my desktop computer, not
from SkyDrive) for everything I could find that pertains to Office
Home & Business 2013. Then I did a re-boot and checked my computer's
general performance. It seemed to be working very well. Windows 8.1
and all my other client software seem to have no problems.

In fact I'm using Forte Agent 7.20/32.1218 on this computer to post
this message. It works as it always has. That is, the computer is not
messed up...just Office Home & Business 2013 is messed up???

Then I did another Office Home & Business 2013 download and install,
using the 25 character Product Key. All seemed to go very well. The
download seemed to go to completion then a window popped up with all
that "Introduction" information. All was working well so far but I
still cannot find any means for opening any of my Office Home &
Business software other than to go to a SkyDrive site and open them
there. What gives??? Gordon

The instructions on my Office Home & Business envelope, inside the top
cover are;

1. Scratch off label on the card below to locate your 25 character
Product Key.*

2. Go to www.office.com/setup

3. Enter your 25-character Product Key and follow the on-screen
instructions.

4. Sign in with or create your Microsoft account.

5. Download Office to your PC.

I very carefully worked my way through all of these steps except 5. I
couldn't find any way to do this. All else seemed to be going well but
I still can't find any way to use any of the Office Home & Business
2013 programs except to go to a Microsoft Account and do it there.
Gordon

qp
When you install Office 2013 suites or programs, the Setup program uses
the Program Files\Microsoft Office folder as the default folder on a
32-bit version of Windows, or the Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office
folder as the default folder on a 64-bit version of Windows.The Office
Bin default folder in these versions of windows are Program
Files\Microsoft Office\Office15 and Program Files (x86)\Microsoft
Office\Office15 respectively. The Office Bin folder is the folder in
which the Office executable files are installed.

Outlook 2013 cannot coexist with any earlier version of Outlook. When
you install Outlook 2013, the Setup program removes any earlier versions
of Outlook that are installed.
/qp

Also see


Links for each of the following are available
- Activating
- Downloading
- Finding the product key
- Installing the Software
- Obtaining physical media

If you saw the error ' Something went wrong'...then it usually indicates
a second installation of Office was started before the first install.
See
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2827031/en-us

  #50  
Old November 17th 13, 10:00 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
...winston[_2_]
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Gordon wrote:


Then I did another Office Home & Business 2013 download and install,
using the 25 character Product Key. All seemed to go very well. The
download seemed to go to completion then a window popped up with all
that "Introduction" information. All was working well so far but I
still cannot find any means for opening any of my Office Home &
Business software other than to go to a SkyDrive site and open them
there. What gives??? Gordon



Anyone logging on to SkyDrive with a MSFT account has access to Office
Apps. The current online version of Office Apps is Office 2013.
- i.e one does not need to install Office (any version) to have access
to the online Office Apps

After Step 5: Download Office to your pc
- Where did you save your download ?
- Did you actually install Office

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps
  #51  
Old November 17th 13, 10:50 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
...winston[_2_]
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Paul wrote:
...winston wrote:


The download link on heidoc.net is to the exact same file that is
available via the link in the product key card.
- www.officedn.microsoft

Doesn't matter what site...the source is the same.


Yes, using this thread, I got the information I needed.
Mainly, that Microsoft does not provide an install format
useful for IT personnel, even in the download ISO image.
I hope the marketing people are reading the comments from
the users in that thread, at their peril. Click-To-Run
is not making any friends.


From what I can see having read a few complaints Click to Run is
another confusing box of nails. I've not really followed those issues.

With respect to 8.1
I'm basically a clean install person for my main systems which currently
run fine for Win7Sp1 and Win8.1 (both Pro and x64).

I had some free time earlier today and plugged in a 6 month old 500GB
drive with Win8 Pro with Media Center on my i3 laptop. Booted it up,
updated Windows (a bunch) and the other software (Java-JRE, IE10, Adobe
Reader, SeaMonkey) - also installed were iTunes and WLM). Ran the 8.1
Upgrade Advisor and no issues save a messages to de-authorize iTunes.

Booted from a usb that was created from a full retail 8.1 MSDN iso with
the intent to verify what happens when choosing the Upgrade option when
using bootable media. As expected I got the message that you can't
upgrade to Windows 8.1 using this media (i.e. run setup.exe from within
Windows 8). Repeated with the full retail DVD (made from the same iso)
same results.

Booted to Windows 8 Pro with MC, inserted usb and ran the 8.1 setup.exe
but entered a recently purchased retail (non MSDN) Win 8.1 upgrade key.
Let it run, checking periodically while doing a few other non-pc
things. Once 8.1 was finished and setup (I used my MSFT account g) I
noticed that MC was removed. Added MC using one of my previous provided
Win8 MC keys and subsequently Windows 8.1 showed up as not activated.
Had to use the phone option...after some back and forth discussion they
(she, Patty who didn't at all sound like a Patty)finally gave me a new
MC key which then reactivated as 8.1 Pro with Media Center. Not sure if
the same de-activation would have occurred if I used an unused 8.0
acquired MC key. I suspect if I ran the upgrade from the Store, or used
the saved iso/create DVD from the Store purchase none of the above would
have been necessary.


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps
  #52  
Old November 17th 13, 02:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gordon
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On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 04:00:38 -0500, "...winston"
wrote:

Gordon wrote:


Then I did another Office Home & Business 2013 download and install,
using the 25 character Product Key. All seemed to go very well. The
download seemed to go to completion then a window popped up with all
that "Introduction" information. All was working well so far but I
still cannot find any means for opening any of my Office Home &
Business software other than to go to a SkyDrive site and open them
there. What gives??? Gordon



Anyone logging on to SkyDrive with a MSFT account has access to Office
Apps. The current online version of Office Apps is Office 2013.
- i.e one does not need to install Office (any version) to have access
to the online Office Apps

After Step 5: Download Office to your pc
- Where did you save your download ?
- Did you actually install Office

These are the areas of confusion on my part. I think I downloaded
Office 2013 but I can't find it anywhere in the Downloads folder. My
computer went through a very long download process and when it
finished it switched to those pop-up things concerning SkyDrive.

When I look in OS (C Program Files (x86) MS Office, then into
either the Office 14 or Office 15 folder I can not find any Office
2013 programs. I do see all the old Office 2010 programs in the Office
14 folder, and if I click on one of them it will open in the old
Office 2010 version. These old version programs still seem to work
okay but I want to move on up to Office 2013. What can I try next?
Gordon
  #53  
Old November 18th 13, 08:09 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
...winston[_2_]
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"Gordon" wrote in message
...

These are the areas of confusion on my part. I think I downloaded
Office 2013 but I can't find it anywhere in the Downloads folder. My
computer went through a very long download process and when it
finished it switched to those pop-up things concerning SkyDrive.

When I look in OS (C Program Files (x86) MS Office, then into
either the Office 14 or Office 15 folder I can not find any Office
2013 programs. I do see all the old Office 2010 programs in the Office
14 folder, and if I click on one of them it will open in the old
Office 2010 version. These old version programs still seem to work
okay but I want to move on up to Office 2013. What can I try next?


You should be able to go back to your MSFT account
https://office.microsoft.com/MyAccount.aspx

And perform a variety of tasks
Access your account to
a. download and choose install
b. review your account history
c. link to activate Office (necessary b/f anything works)

If you need support from MSFT
http://support.microsoft.com/find-so...more/?ln=en-us
Click on Office 2013, then Live Help

  #54  
Old November 18th 13, 09:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gordon
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On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 02:09:21 -0500, "...winston"
wrote:

"Gordon" wrote in message
.. .

These are the areas of confusion on my part. I think I downloaded
Office 2013 but I can't find it anywhere in the Downloads folder. My
computer went through a very long download process and when it
finished it switched to those pop-up things concerning SkyDrive.

When I look in OS (C Program Files (x86) MS Office, then into
either the Office 14 or Office 15 folder I can not find any Office
2013 programs. I do see all the old Office 2010 programs in the Office
14 folder, and if I click on one of them it will open in the old
Office 2010 version. These old version programs still seem to work
okay but I want to move on up to Office 2013. What can I try next?


You should be able to go back to your MSFT account
https://office.microsoft.com/MyAccount.aspx

And perform a variety of tasks
Access your account to
a. download and choose install
b. review your account history
c. link to activate Office (necessary b/f anything works)

If you need support from MSFT
http://support.microsoft.com/find-so...more/?ln=en-us
Click on Office 2013, then Live Help

Winston, I think I've finally gotten this set of problems resolved. I
guess my age has me running a bit slowly but given enough time I
usually get where I'm going.

The MS Office Home & Business 2013 programs and their start buttons
were hidden where even a snoopy dog with a good nose would have a hard
time finding them. I finally stumbled onto them.

In case anyone else is having this same problem, these start buttons
are in the Start screen Click the small arrow at the lower left to
open the Appts by name screen scroll over to the Microsoft Office
2013 heading on this screen, then right click on any of these icons
and select "send to task bar". This will make it easy to access this
specific program in the future. Do this for every Office program that
will be used frequently, AND remember where to go to find the start
button for any that weren't pined to the task bar.

Thanks to you and the others who provided me with information on this
set of problems. Gordon
  #55  
Old November 19th 13, 02:14 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
...winston[_2_]
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Gordon wrote:
On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 02:09:21 -0500, "...winston"
wrote:

"Gordon" wrote in message
...

These are the areas of confusion on my part. I think I downloaded
Office 2013 but I can't find it anywhere in the Downloads folder. My
computer went through a very long download process and when it
finished it switched to those pop-up things concerning SkyDrive.

When I look in OS (C Program Files (x86) MS Office, then into
either the Office 14 or Office 15 folder I can not find any Office
2013 programs. I do see all the old Office 2010 programs in the Office
14 folder, and if I click on one of them it will open in the old
Office 2010 version. These old version programs still seem to work
okay but I want to move on up to Office 2013. What can I try next?


You should be able to go back to your MSFT account
https://office.microsoft.com/MyAccount.aspx

And perform a variety of tasks
Access your account to
a. download and choose install
b. review your account history
c. link to activate Office (necessary b/f anything works)

If you need support from MSFT
http://support.microsoft.com/find-so...more/?ln=en-us
Click on Office 2013, then Live Help

Winston, I think I've finally gotten this set of problems resolved. I
guess my age has me running a bit slowly but given enough time I
usually get where I'm going.

The MS Office Home & Business 2013 programs and their start buttons
were hidden where even a snoopy dog with a good nose would have a hard
time finding them. I finally stumbled onto them.

In case anyone else is having this same problem, these start buttons
are in the Start screen Click the small arrow at the lower left to
open the Appts by name screen scroll over to the Microsoft Office
2013 heading on this screen, then right click on any of these icons
and select "send to task bar". This will make it easy to access this
specific program in the future. Do this for every Office program that
will be used frequently, AND remember where to go to find the start
button for any that weren't pined to the task bar.

Thanks to you and the others who provided me with information on this
set of problems. Gordon

Gordon,
Thanks for closing the loop. I assumed that Office 2013 apps were
present on your Start Screen (in addition to the All Apps screen) since
they were present on my two Win8x machines.

Fyi...if not on the Start Screen (and only on the All Apps screen) the
Office programs can be:
- Pinned to the Start Screen
- Pinned to the Task Bar
- Added as icons to the Desktop
- Added as icons to the Quick Launch Toolbar
- With some under-the-hood effort (added to the Win8x Orb menu)

--
...winston
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  #56  
Old November 19th 13, 05:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gordon
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On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:41:15 -0600, Gordon
wrote:

I just updated my HP Pavilion to Windows 8.1 and like it very much. I
would like to update my MS Office Home and Business to the latest
version but I want a box copy. I can't find a box copy in any local
stores. Is MS Office available only on those download cards with the
code number on it? If I buy one of these, then for some reason, later,
have to reinstall MS Office can I use the card again? For how long?

Thanks, Gordon

Everything seems to be working well with my recent installation of MS
Office Home & Business 2013. Now I'm wondering what problems I'll
generate if I try to remove/uninstall the old MS Home and Student 2010
programs from my computer. Is it safe to just go to Control Panel
Programs and Features then uninstall the old programs, or will this
somehow mess up my registry settings or some such? Gordon
  #57  
Old November 19th 13, 07:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Gordon wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:41:15 -0600, Gordon
wrote:

I just updated my HP Pavilion to Windows 8.1 and like it very much. I
would like to update my MS Office Home and Business to the latest
version but I want a box copy. I can't find a box copy in any local
stores. Is MS Office available only on those download cards with the
code number on it? If I buy one of these, then for some reason, later,
have to reinstall MS Office can I use the card again? For how long?

Thanks, Gordon

Everything seems to be working well with my recent installation of MS
Office Home & Business 2013. Now I'm wondering what problems I'll
generate if I try to remove/uninstall the old MS Home and Student 2010
programs from my computer. Is it safe to just go to Control Panel
Programs and Features then uninstall the old programs, or will this
somehow mess up my registry settings or some such? Gordon


Do a full backup, then test it.

What could go wrong ? :-)

This is one of the reasons I pare down the size of C:,
to make backups faster for the "wobbly part" of the computer.
Big data files, I keep on another partition. That allows
me to do more experiments, with a backup in hand.

HTH,
Paul
  #58  
Old November 19th 13, 08:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gordon
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On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:38:39 -0500, Paul wrote:

Gordon wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:41:15 -0600, Gordon
wrote:

I just updated my HP Pavilion to Windows 8.1 and like it very much. I
would like to update my MS Office Home and Business to the latest
version but I want a box copy. I can't find a box copy in any local
stores. Is MS Office available only on those download cards with the
code number on it? If I buy one of these, then for some reason, later,
have to reinstall MS Office can I use the card again? For how long?

Thanks, Gordon

Everything seems to be working well with my recent installation of MS
Office Home & Business 2013. Now I'm wondering what problems I'll
generate if I try to remove/uninstall the old MS Home and Student 2010
programs from my computer. Is it safe to just go to Control Panel
Programs and Features then uninstall the old programs, or will this
somehow mess up my registry settings or some such? Gordon


Do a full backup, then test it.

What could go wrong ? :-)

This is one of the reasons I pare down the size of C:,
to make backups faster for the "wobbly part" of the computer.
Big data files, I keep on another partition. That allows
me to do more experiments, with a backup in hand.

HTH,
Paul

Would a backup like you describe rescue me from the mess I might make
to the registry if I go ahead with the program removal of the old MS
Office Home & Student 2010? That is, could I simply copy the backup
back to the C: drive on my computer and all would be back to where I
started? Gordon
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Old November 19th 13, 09:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Default MS Office box copy?

Gordon wrote:
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:38:39 -0500, Paul wrote:

Gordon wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:41:15 -0600, Gordon
wrote:

I just updated my HP Pavilion to Windows 8.1 and like it very much. I
would like to update my MS Office Home and Business to the latest
version but I want a box copy. I can't find a box copy in any local
stores. Is MS Office available only on those download cards with the
code number on it? If I buy one of these, then for some reason, later,
have to reinstall MS Office can I use the card again? For how long?

Thanks, Gordon

Everything seems to be working well with my recent installation of MS
Office Home & Business 2013. Now I'm wondering what problems I'll
generate if I try to remove/uninstall the old MS Home and Student 2010
programs from my computer. Is it safe to just go to Control Panel
Programs and Features then uninstall the old programs, or will this
somehow mess up my registry settings or some such? Gordon

Do a full backup, then test it.

What could go wrong ? :-)

This is one of the reasons I pare down the size of C:,
to make backups faster for the "wobbly part" of the computer.
Big data files, I keep on another partition. That allows
me to do more experiments, with a backup in hand.

HTH,
Paul

Would a backup like you describe rescue me from the mess I might make
to the registry if I go ahead with the program removal of the old MS
Office Home & Student 2010? That is, could I simply copy the backup
back to the C: drive on my computer and all would be back to where I
started? Gordon


Yes ! :-)

A full backup, captures every file on C: (and SYSTEM RESERVED if one
is present).

The option built into Windows is called System Image.

Windows 7 made that feature quite visible. If you have an OEM OS
(Windows 7 on HP or Acer or Dell laptop), the proprietary backup software
they might also include on the computer, tends to "bust" the control
panel for System Image. Still, you can try to raise it from the dead,
with commands like this.

sdclt /configure
sdclt /configure /target

Windows 8 kinda hides System Image. Windows 8.1 makes it a little more
difficult to find, although I did see an article the other day, claiming
you could still get to it.

There is an underlying command that does the backup. And this particular
set of commands, is for those people who won't put up with Microsoft
trying to hide the functions. This is the "better than nothing" way
of getting your System Image stored onto an external USB drive.
You can use your System Recovery CD (which the laptop should have
prompted you to burn), to do the restore. The restore won't be
hidden as badly as the backup portion is.

This command is a bit intimidating, and there's really no reason to
be using this one. The backup is going to partition F: (which happens
to be stored on our external USB drive). There are two source partitions
being backed up. One is C: and the other is all that volume crap. This
particular syntax is used for backing up partitions which don't have
drive letters.

Wbadmin start backup -backupTarget:F: -include:\\?\Volume{C38A95FE-9261-11E1-92E9-806E6F6E6963}\,C: -quiet

This is closer to what you'll be using. AllCritical is a shorthand
for "back up my boot and system partitions". If you have two partitions
or one partition, which is key to making the computer work (the OS),
then this command captures it. This saves your Registry, as well as
all the other gigabytes of system files. They will be stored on F:
for later recovery.

wbAdmin start backup -backupTarget:F: -allCritical

If I do it this way, I can capture more named partitions, perhaps
my three data partitions. You won't be endangering your data partitions
when removing the old copy of Office. But this shows, you can back up
more partitions if you want to. Here, I'm backing up C:,D:,F: and
SYSTEM RESERVED partitions, a total of four of them. The specification
overlaps a bit, which isn't a problem. Output goes to a named folder on
the N: partition (another USB drive).

wbAdmin start backup -backupTarget:N: -include:C:,D:,F: -allCritical -quiet

If you need to recovery (experiment goes badly), you need to boot
either an official installer DVD (you don't have one), or you
can boot the 200MB Recovery CD (you should have burned one).

The one you want is "System Image recovery".

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...ndows-8-a.html

When you make the CD (or DVD) with the 200MB of files on it,
you can boot it, and confirm you can get here. The rest of the
article discusses other things you might not be interested in.

http://www.eightforums.com/attachmen...ed_options.jpg

If your recovery CD is working and showing OK, you can
now go back to booting your regular way, and attempt
the backup.

This tutorial doesn't mention the wbAdmin method, which you
can test and see if it works. You'll need a partition big
enough to store the amount of files on your C:. You need to
know the drive letter of the backup partition, to test
whether the backup to that partition is going to work.

You would type "cmd" in the startup interface (the one that
searches for programs), when it finds "cmd", you right-click
the "cmd" and select "Run As Administrator". From the MSDOS
window, you can run this command, and it'll get your C:
backed up. And safe against any Registry mishap while
removing Office 2010.

wbAdmin start backup -backupTarget:F: -allCritical

If you can find a recipe where the "Create a System Image"
option still exists, then all the better. I saw mention
there was a way, but I didn't write it down. And I have
to dash right now, so can't search for it.

*******

You can also use Macrium Reflect Free to do backups,
but that's another long chapter. There is a download
button in the lower left for this tool.

http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx

L8R,
Paul
 




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