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  #16  
Old February 16th 14, 06:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 07:38:57 -0600, wrote:

Same here, but I only use it for newsgroups. I like Agent 2.0, I did
not like the newer versions, in which they screwed up the whole
placement of the options, and changed the wording too. I can darn near
operate Agent 2.0 with my eyes closed. As soon as I tried the newer
versions, I spent a long time trying to find what I wanted to do, and
got frustrated with them. For the news, 2.0 is just fine.


Once you've set up the newer versions of Agent, you don't want to go
back to 2.x. Agent's News Access Plan lets you retrieve headers and
bodies and posting messages with the newsserver(s) that you want.
Separate or you can combine.

Also, being able to filter on message-id was a godsend imho. To finally
be able to kill file Google Gropers. Too bad they don't let you filter
on any header you want, like MesNews.

I have an e-mail account set up for the address in my Reply-To header,
but I hardly use it. TB is my main mailclient (and I don't find it slow
at all).

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Old February 16th 14, 06:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:15:24 -0800, OldGuy wrote:

I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.
Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to
do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.


What simple tasks? I've been using TB for /years/. It's not slow at all.
What hardware are you using?

So what free eMail apps are any good?
Would be nice if it had newsgroups too but that is not mandatory.


You're crossposting between a Windows XP newsgroup, a W7 and a W8
newsgroup. What OS will you be using for this new mailclient? (Or do you
plan to install it on ALL these operating systems?)

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Old February 16th 14, 07:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 17:37:55 +0000 (UTC), generic name wrote:

On 2014-02-16, mechanic wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:15:24 -0800, OldGuy wrote:

So what free eMail apps are any good?


PC-Alpine.


Has anything been done to improve its setup for multiple email-ids?


Alpine supports multiple imap accounts, each with user name etc.
Read through the relevant pages on ii.com. like
http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/imap/isps/#table .

Also you could ask on comp.mail.pine
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Old February 16th 14, 07:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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OldGuy has written on 2/15/2014 10:15 PM:

I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.


Not for me.

Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to
do.


Example?

Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.


Your computer locks up until TB finishes? Which version of Windows?
Which version of TB?

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Old February 16th 14, 07:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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BillW50 has written on 2/16/2014 7:38 AM:
On 2/15/2014 9:15 PM, OldGuy wrote: I tried Thunderbird and it is very
slow.
Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.


You noticed that too, eh? Yeah that is very annoying about TB for me.
Funny some people claim they do not see it. I admit if you have more
processor power than you know what to do with, the slowness is less
noticeable. I also heard if you use IMAP email (I do), TB spends much of
its time updating indexes. This in turn tends to really slow down TB a lot.


What indexes?

I have a Win 7 Ultimate desktop with an Intel i5-2320 CPU at 3.00GHz and
8GB of memory. I have many accounts set up in TB, some POP3, some IMAP,
and I'm one of those who do not see TB locking up the computer.

Sometimes TB and other programs present (Not Responding) in the title
bar but whatever causes that does not prevent me from using other programs.
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Old February 16th 14, 07:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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OldGuy has written on 2/15/2014 10:15 PM:
Not for me.

Example?

Your computer locks up until TB finishes? Which version of Windows?
Which version of TB?


Win 7 Pro all updates
TB latest version

PC = Intel Quad 3GHz 8GRAM, 500MB free C:

It is because I have so many eMails with 150K attachements that are
downloading.

TB programmers need to release more code time to the system (allowing
TB to multitask) during such downloads. Maybe TB only uses a few
threads??



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Old February 16th 14, 08:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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OldGuy wrote:
OldGuy wrote:
I use SeaMonkey. Never had a problem with it.
SM is a combined browser and email/ng application.


Does SM support add-ons like TBird.
Specifically the one that enhances the eMail disposition rules like
automatically copying eMail attachments for an account to a folder?
Basic TBird could not do that so I installed an add-on to do it.


SM supports nearly all Mozilla add-ons.
You might want to read the SM NG.
This is the Mozilla server:
news.mozilla.org
Port 119, SSL is not checked.
And the SeaMonkey NG:
mozilla.support.seamonkey
  #24  
Old February 16th 14, 09:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 16/02/2014 7:38 AM, BillW50 wrote:
On 2/15/2014 9:15 PM, OldGuy wrote: I tried Thunderbird and it is very
slow.
Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.


You noticed that too, eh? Yeah that is very annoying about TB for me.
Funny some people claim they do not see it. I admit if you have more
processor power than you know what to do with, the slowness is less
noticeable. I also heard if you use IMAP email (I do), TB spends much of
its time updating indexes. This in turn tends to really slow down TB a lot.


This is what I've been arguing a week or two ago. Thunderbird is
terrible in terms of resource usage as is Firefox. With an i5 and
higher, I assume that there is no problem. However, there shouldn't be a
problem with an i3 like what is on my laptop. The fact that it's so
sluggish says a lot about the quality of programmers working on the project.
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  #25  
Old February 16th 14, 09:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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OldGuy wrote:
Been using Opera.
I really like having the browser and eMail in one place.
Now Opera newsgroup seems to be disconnected.
Opera has some problems.
Try to indent by putting a few spaces in front of a line of test.
Opera removes them upon sending.
Span deletion does not work. It deletes permanently only in the
Opera window. When I restart, all the spam shows up again.

I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.
Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.

Seamonkey keeps forgetting my passwords.
It says use Password Manager to remember. What does Password Manager
belong to (part of Seamonkey or what???)?


SM's Password Manager retains the passwords that you enter at various
web sites after you visit them once, and select the option to save when
it appears.


Should I not fix the Seamonkey eMail account Settings?
I cannot find the password input place in Settings. Other eMailers
have it there. What am I missing?


It's been so long since I've set up my SM program I'm afraid I'll just
confuse you. If you select Help from the menu you will find a directory
that should answer most of your questions. Or you can click "Edit" -
Mail and Newsgroup Account Settings, and/or Preferences and see what is
intuitive, and what's not, just ask here or in the SeaMonkey newsgroup
you have been referred to.

I think it's worth the trouble.


What is the difference between Seamonkey and Thunderbird?


Not sure since they've gone into rapid update mode. There didn't
used to be much difference, except T-bird is standalone, no browser.


So what free eMail apps are any good?
Would be nice if it had newsgroups too but that is not mandatory.

SM has newsgroups that work fine.
bj
  #26  
Old February 16th 14, 09:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 2/16/2014 12:17 PM, Juan Wei wrote:
BillW50 has written on 2/16/2014 7:38 AM:
On 2/15/2014 9:15 PM, OldGuy wrote:

I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.

Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.


You noticed that too, eh? Yeah that is very annoying about TB for me.
Funny some people claim they do not see it. I admit if you have more
processor power than you know what to do with, the slowness is less
noticeable. I also heard if you use IMAP email (I do), TB spends much of
its time updating indexes. This in turn tends to really slow down TB a lot.


What indexes?

I have a Win 7 Ultimate desktop with an Intel i5-2320 CPU at 3.00GHz and
8GB of memory. I have many accounts set up in TB, some POP3, some IMAP,
and I'm one of those who do not see TB locking up the computer.

Sometimes TB and other programs present (Not Responding) in the title
bar but whatever causes that does not prevent me from using other programs.


Nice machine! I wonder how well it compares to my Alienware machines?
And I have 30+ machines here and the more CPU power a machine has, the
less noticeable TB slowness is (those Atom processors is the worst, but
then they only use 3 to 5 watts of power).

I also mostly use the portable versions of TB. As it makes it really
easy to sync between machines. This might have something to do with it.
The only shortcoming I know of is forget importing, since TB portable
doesn't see anything outside it its folder. And one of the tips I read
about TB portable running on a flash drive (I don't, except on some
machines equipped with SSD), said to disable IMAP indexing (to prevent
excessive writing). Since TB is almost constantly updating the IMAP
indexing.

The slowness for the most part I can put up with. As it freezes at least
once a minute I would say. Depending on the processor, it could last for
a split second to 10 seconds or so. And while replying, it could drop
some of the keys. So I copying and paste to another editor and that
works just fine.

I also run Process Lasso on most of my machines. It is kind of a better
Task Manager, but its real benefit is that it drops the priority of
tasks that is eating up a lot of processor power. Which makes the
offending task even much slower. Once the process is less intensive, it
returns the priority back to what it was.

Most of my computer use, nothing normally trips it to switch the
priority of anything. Except flash with a browser and Thunderbird. You
could exclude a given process if you don't want Process Lasso to change
it. So I normally exempt games and media players. Neither would be very
useful to slow them down anyway.

It is also so easy to shutdown Process Lasso completely if you want to.
But even still, Thunderbird is still slow at times. Whether Lasso is
running or not, it is replying that annoys me the most. As I end up with
dropped keys. I suppose I could always type slower. ;-)

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Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP
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Old February 16th 14, 09:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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OldGuy has written on 2/16/2014 1:28 PM:
OldGuy has written on 2/15/2014 10:15 PM:
Not for me.

Example?

Your computer locks up until TB finishes? Which version of Windows?
Which version of TB?


Win 7 Pro all updates
TB latest version

PC = Intel Quad 3GHz 8GRAM, 500MB free C:

It is because I have so many eMails with 150K attachements that are
downloading.


How many of these do you get each day?

TB programmers need to release more code time to the system (allowing
TB to multitask) during such downloads. Maybe TB only uses a few
threads??


Did you file a request?
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Old February 16th 14, 09:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 2014-02-16, BillW50 wrote:

SNIP


Nice machine! I wonder how well it compares to my Alienware machines?
And I have 30+ machines here and the more CPU power a machine has, the
less noticeable TB slowness is (those Atom processors is the worst, but
then they only use 3 to 5 watts of power).


SNIP

You should updte your sig...

Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP

...as your sig shows non alienware performers
As alienware is now dell, alienware lost it's umph anyway.
Dell gimps their hardware.

Unless they stopped gimping everything?
Maybe they got better.

Gamers I know build their own.

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Old February 16th 14, 09:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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OldGuy wrote:
OldGuy has written on 2/15/2014 10:15 PM:
Not for me.

Example?

Your computer locks up until TB finishes? Which version of Windows?
Which version of TB?


Win 7 Pro all updates
TB latest version

PC = Intel Quad 3GHz 8GRAM, 500MB free C:

It is because I have so many eMails with 150K attachements that are
downloading.

TB programmers need to release more code time to the system (allowing TB
to multitask) during such downloads. Maybe TB only uses a few threads??


It's the kind of tool, where some user tuning may be
required. The server has a maximum number of connections,
and the client can be set to use less than that. And if you
set the connections low enough, a more efficient serialization
may occur for you. The latest TB versions are too asynchronous,
and shoot themselves in the foot.

These can be found in the Configuration Editor. In Firefox,
this would be about:config, but in Thunderbird, there is a
button to click to open the Editor. This is like a Registry,
but uses a separate file.

mail.server.server2.max_cached_connections 2
mail.server.server4.max_cached_connections 2
mail.imap.max_cached_connections 10 --- Not used by me

mail.server.server2.hostname nntp.aioe.org
mail.server.server4.hostname news.eternal-september.org

# Tuning parameters not present in old versions.
# idle_limit set to 300000 by default. Presumably 5 minutes,
# but who can be sure. This means if the .msf isn't used
# for five minutes, it'll be closed, and a future attempt
# to use it will open it again. It means TB will be as slow
# as it is at startup, if this is set too low. In older
# versions, the unused databases would remain open, and
# memory usage could be high. This might be a more useful
# tuning, if you have an add-on that abuses databases.

mail.db.idle_limit
mail.db.max_open

Paul
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Old February 16th 14, 09:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Silver Slimer wrote:
On 16/02/2014 7:38 AM, BillW50 wrote:
On 2/15/2014 9:15 PM, OldGuy wrote: I tried Thunderbird and it is very
slow.
Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.

You noticed that too, eh? Yeah that is very annoying about TB for me.
Funny some people claim they do not see it. I admit if you have more
processor power than you know what to do with, the slowness is less
noticeable. I also heard if you use IMAP email (I do), TB spends much of
its time updating indexes. This in turn tends to really slow down TB a lot.


This is what I've been arguing a week or two ago. Thunderbird is
terrible in terms of resource usage as is Firefox. With an i5 and
higher, I assume that there is no problem. However, there shouldn't be a
problem with an i3 like what is on my laptop. The fact that it's so
sluggish says a lot about the quality of programmers working on the project.


Use the Configuration Editor.

Paul
 




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