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  #31  
Old March 5th 14, 09:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 12:56:49 -0600, "BillW50" wrote:


"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:

Although the number one complaint about TB is it freezes
up too often.


Define "number one".


Of all of the Thunderbird complaints that I hear, the freezing problems
shows up more often than any other one. Ken Springer even mentioned it
just today.


I wondered who they put in charge of hearing all of the complaints. I guess
it's you. Congrats!

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  #32  
Old March 5th 14, 09:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Blue[_3_]
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Wildman wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:00:59 +0100, Blue wrote:

BillW50 wrote:


I a wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I
was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing
with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started freezing?
I know it is there in v12 too.


Funny, my TB, which is *always* up-to-date, has never froze. And I use
TB with 12 email accounts. I don't use TB for newsgroups, preferring to
keep things separate and using Seamonkey.


I've never had a problem either. I use both the windows and
*nix versions and have for several years.


I've used it since Netscape.

--
Blue
  #33  
Old March 5th 14, 09:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"Bob Henson" wrote in message
...
On 05/03/2014 1:38 PM, BillW50 wrote:
"Adam Kubias" wrote in message
...
On 2014-03-04 9:34 PM, Windows8 User wrote:

Can somebody confirm that Version 14.0. 8117.0416 is the last
version that is not broken and can be safely used on Windows 8
RTM 64Bit machine. I had to recover my Toshiba machine which had
Windows 8.1 free upgrade but it was crashing all the time so I
decided to recover it and see if it works this time otherwise
I'll have to return it for a replacement.

I was helping my grandmother trying to set up Windows Live Mail so
she could use the Kodak printer's email scanned document feature.

Eventually, I gave up and resorted to TB.

I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze
ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no
freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB
started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too.


Since 24.3.0 is the current version, the best bet would be to leave
all ancient versions alone and use that. However, I don't know what
you were doing wrong, but I have never had any freezing with any
version of Thunderbird from its inception many years ago.

I don't know how you didn't get the memo? As it is the number one of
Thunderbird on the net.


Google search results aren't credible proof. Just because others did
something stupid like whatever you did doesn't make it a fact. If it
were a flaw in the software, it would happen to everyone.


I did something stupid? Ok Mr Know-It-All, what would that be?


I have no idea.


Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. It is a hardcore
bugware enthusiast dream come true. ;-)

Bug List
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...ch=thunderbird


It's worked find for me since Netscape in 97. Mozilla, unlike MS, tracks
and fixes bugs. BFD.

--
Blue
  #34  
Old March 5th 14, 09:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
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BillW50 wrote:

Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs.


saltSo is every other major piece of software in use today./salt

However, your statement is false. I am part of "everybody" (as are the
several other posters who've responded) and I did not, and do not have any
problem such as you describe for yourself.

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  #35  
Old March 5th 14, 09:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Johnny
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On 03/05/2014 02:23 PM, Blue wrote:
Wildman wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:00:59 +0100, Blue wrote:

BillW50 wrote:


I a wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I
was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing
with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started
freezing?
I know it is there in v12 too.


Funny, my TB, which is *always* up-to-date, has never froze. And I use
TB with 12 email accounts. I don't use TB for newsgroups, preferring to
keep things separate and using Seamonkey.


I've never had a problem either. I use both the windows and
*nix versions and have for several years.


I've used it since Netscape.


I have used it since Netscape also.

About a year ago I was typing a message to a newsgroup and I noticed the
on screen letters weren't keeping up with the keyboard. I would stop
typing and it would catch up.

I traced the problem down to the Shockwave Flash plugin in Firefox, it
was showing 100 percent CPU usage. What was strange, was that it would
do it only on one website, and that happened to be my home page, and
where I read all the news.

I contacted the news station and told them about it, and even the
advertisement that was causing it.

It hasn't happened again. Now you can set Flash to ask to activate.


  #36  
Old March 5th 14, 10:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Springer[_2_]
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On 3/5/14 12:07 PM, Bob Henson wrote:
On 05/03/2014 6:56 PM, BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:

Although the number one complaint about TB is it freezes
up too often.


Define "number one".


Of all of the Thunderbird complaints that I hear, the freezing problems
shows up more often than any other one. Ken Springer even mentioned it
just today.


I've used it since it first started and freezing is not a thing I have
ever seen on all the versions of Windows since then and on several Linux
versions - although, like all programs, it has had a few problems that
is not one of them. Maybe it was something to so with the local system,
not Thunderbird?


Just because you have not experienced the bug, does not mean it isn't
real. That point seems to have been lost here. In the thread in the
Mozilla newsgroup, not everyone experienced it either. But there was
discussion as to why it may happen from a programming perspective.

Assuming we are talking the same "bug", if you are composing an
email/message, in my case an HTML message, the program stops responding
to keystrokes when you are typing the new message. On my Mac, I get the
"spinning beach ball of death", meaning a program is waiting in the
background for some process to complete. I've forgotten what happens to
the cursor in Windows. TB is still running, you just don't see it.
Eventually, the background process completes, and what you have typed
suddenly scrolls across the screen.

I just had it happen composing this message.

I get it quite often, and I believe it happens when TB is checking for
new messages. If that is the case, if you don't check for messages
automatically, or you have a long time frame between checks, you may
never notice it.

The HTML editor seems to have a number of issues. Apparently those
issues have been there a very long time, and Mozilla apparently knows
about some of them. I've got a list of 12 here on a sticky note.

I've given up on reporting bugs to FOSS software. The attitude of too
many programmers/developers seems to be, if they aren't interested, they
aren't going to fix them. And if they aren't going to fix things that
don't work for me, why should I use the software, or donate my time to
identify issues? Or, even support it with a financial donation?


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 24.0
Thunderbird 24.3.0
  #37  
Old March 5th 14, 10:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Ken Springer[_2_]
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On 3/5/14 1:47 PM, Johnny wrote:
On 03/05/2014 02:23 PM, Blue wrote:
Wildman wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:00:59 +0100, Blue wrote:

BillW50 wrote:

I a wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I
was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing
with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started
freezing?
I know it is there in v12 too.


Funny, my TB, which is *always* up-to-date, has never froze. And I use
TB with 12 email accounts. I don't use TB for newsgroups, preferring to
keep things separate and using Seamonkey.

I've never had a problem either. I use both the windows and
*nix versions and have for several years.


I've used it since Netscape.


I have used it since Netscape also.

About a year ago I was typing a message to a newsgroup and I noticed the
on screen letters weren't keeping up with the keyboard. I would stop
typing and it would catch up.

I traced the problem down to the Shockwave Flash plugin in Firefox, it
was showing 100 percent CPU usage. What was strange, was that it would
do it only on one website, and that happened to be my home page, and
where I read all the news.


Very interesting. I have FF 25 installed, and have just disabled the
Shockwave plug-in. I'll see what happens. This was never mentioned the
Mozilla thread I've been mentioning. But your description is exactly
what happens to me.

Did it happen even if FF was not running? I usually have both TB and FF
running.

I contacted the news station and told them about it, and even the
advertisement that was causing it.

It hasn't happened again. Now you can set Flash to ask to activate.




--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 24.0
Thunderbird 24.0
  #38  
Old March 5th 14, 10:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Johnny
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On 03/05/2014 03:11 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 3/5/14 1:47 PM, Johnny wrote:
On 03/05/2014 02:23 PM, Blue wrote:
Wildman wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:00:59 +0100, Blue wrote:

BillW50 wrote:

I a wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze
ups? I
was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing
with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started
freezing?
I know it is there in v12 too.


Funny, my TB, which is *always* up-to-date, has never froze. And I use
TB with 12 email accounts. I don't use TB for newsgroups,
preferring to
keep things separate and using Seamonkey.

I've never had a problem either. I use both the windows and
*nix versions and have for several years.


I've used it since Netscape.


I have used it since Netscape also.

About a year ago I was typing a message to a newsgroup and I noticed the
on screen letters weren't keeping up with the keyboard. I would stop
typing and it would catch up.

I traced the problem down to the Shockwave Flash plugin in Firefox, it
was showing 100 percent CPU usage. What was strange, was that it would
do it only on one website, and that happened to be my home page, and
where I read all the news.


Very interesting. I have FF 25 installed, and have just disabled the
Shockwave plug-in. I'll see what happens. This was never mentioned the
Mozilla thread I've been mentioning. But your description is exactly
what happens to me.

Did it happen even if FF was not running? I usually have both TB and FF
running.



I don't know, because I always have Firefox and Thunderbird running at
the same time. I didn't try shutting down Firefox, I just disabled the
plugin. That problem happened when I was using Windows 7.

Right now I'm using Linux Mint 16 KDE, and Thunderbird and Firefox both
work fine.
  #39  
Old March 5th 14, 10:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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"...winston‫" wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

I know that when you have an old OS that Microsoft won't let you
retrieve a newer version of Windows Essentials, including any component
of it, like Window Live Mail.


Direct link to Microsoft server to download the latest available
installer executable file

2012
--------
Full version 2012 installer
http://g.live.com/1rewlive5-all/en/wlsetup-all.exe

Web Version 2012 Installer – English Language Version
http://g.live.com/1rewlive5-web/en/wlsetup-web.exe

2011
-------
Full Version 2011 Installer – English Language version
http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/en/wlsetup-all.exe

Web Version 2011 Installer – English Language Version
http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/en/wlsetup-web.exe

2009
-------
Full Version Installer English Language version
http://g.live.com/1rewlive3/en/wlsetup-all.exe

Web Version Installer – English Language Version
http://g.live.com/1rewlive3/en/wlsetup-web.exe

Note: Direct download links above are for the English language
installer. For a different country replace the ‘en’ with the local
language code as noted in the following pfd file.
-
http://liveunplugged.files.wordpress...-downloads.pdf


Go to know the full installers are available. Thanks.
  #40  
Old March 5th 14, 10:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
BillW50
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"Paul" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"Bob Henson" wrote in message
...
On 05/03/2014 1:38 PM, BillW50 wrote:
"Adam Kubias" wrote in message
...
On 2014-03-04 9:34 PM, Windows8 User wrote:
Can somebody confirm that Version 14.0. 8117.0416 is the last
version that is not broken and can be safely used on Windows 8
RTM 64Bit machine. I had to recover my Toshiba machine which
had Windows 8.1 free upgrade but it was crashing all the time
so I decided to recover it and see if it works this time
otherwise I'll have to return it for a replacement.

I was helping my grandmother trying to set up Windows Live Mail
so she could use the Kodak printer's email scanned document
feature.

Eventually, I gave up and resorted to TB.

I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze
ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw
no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version
TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too.

Since 24.3.0 is the current version, the best bet would be to
leave all ancient versions alone and use that. However, I don't
know what you were doing wrong, but I have never had any freezing
with any version of Thunderbird from its inception many years ago.

I don't know how you didn't get the memo? As it is the number one
of Thunderbird on the net.

Google search results aren't credible proof. Just because others did
something stupid like whatever you did doesn't make it a fact. If it
were a flaw in the software, it would happen to everyone.


I did something stupid? Ok Mr Know-It-All, what would that be?

Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. It is a
hardcore bugware enthusiast dream come true. ;-)

Bug List
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...ch=thunderbird


Yes, everyone knows, that hiding your bugtracker from the public,
means you have no bugs in your software.

When I found a bug in Windows 8, and the same bug was present in
Windows 8.1 Preview, where could I report it ? Not to any publicly
visible bugtracker, that's for sure. The fact it wasn't fixed in
Windows 8.1 Preview, tells you how good the bug detection techniques
(telemetry) are at Microsoft.


Odd, I send mine to Microsoft and the next patch Tuesday, it is fixed
for me. You can send bugs to Mozilla for the past 8 years and I never
heard of one ever being fixed yet.

--
Bill
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Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1


  #41  
Old March 5th 14, 11:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
BillW50
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"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:

Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs.


saltSo is every other major piece of software in use today./salt

However, your statement is false. I am part of "everybody" (as are the
several other posters who've responded) and I did not, and do not have
any problem such as you describe for yourself.


That is because you don't try all of the features and your kind make
lousy testers. How do you know what the software can do if you never
test the limits?

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1


  #42  
Old March 5th 14, 11:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
BillW50
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"Johnny" wrote in message
...
On 03/05/2014 02:23 PM, Blue wrote:
Wildman wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:00:59 +0100, Blue wrote:

BillW50 wrote:

I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze
ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw
no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB
started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too.

Funny, my TB, which is *always* up-to-date, has never froze. And I
use TB with 12 email accounts. I don't use TB for newsgroups,
preferring to keep things separate and using Seamonkey.

I've never had a problem either. I use both the windows and *nix
versions and have for several years.


I've used it since Netscape.


I have used it since Netscape also.

About a year ago I was typing a message to a newsgroup and I noticed
the on screen letters weren't keeping up with the keyboard. I would
stop typing and it would catch up.

I traced the problem down to the Shockwave Flash plugin in Firefox, it
was showing 100 percent CPU usage. What was strange, was that it would
do it only on one website, and that happened to be my home page, and
where I read all the news.

I contacted the news station and told them about it, and even the
advertisement that was causing it.

It hasn't happened again. Now you can set Flash to ask to activate.


Sure the news station will fix it, but Mozilla won't.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1


  #43  
Old March 5th 14, 11:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
BillW50
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"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"Bob Henson" wrote in message
...
On 05/03/2014 1:38 PM, BillW50 wrote:
"Adam Kubias" wrote in message
...
On 2014-03-04 9:34 PM, Windows8 User wrote:

Can somebody confirm that Version 14.0. 8117.0416 is the last
version that is not broken and can be safely used on Windows 8
RTM 64Bit machine. I had to recover my Toshiba machine which
had Windows 8.1 free upgrade but it was crashing all the time
so I decided to recover it and see if it works this time
otherwise I'll have to return it for a replacement.

I was helping my grandmother trying to set up Windows Live Mail
so she could use the Kodak printer's email scanned document
feature.

Eventually, I gave up and resorted to TB.

I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze
ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw
no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version
TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too.

Since 24.3.0 is the current version, the best bet would be to
leave all ancient versions alone and use that. However, I don't
know what you were doing wrong, but I have never had any freezing
with any version of Thunderbird from its inception many years ago.

I don't know how you didn't get the memo? As it is the number one
of Thunderbird on the net.

Google search results aren't credible proof. Just because others did
something stupid like whatever you did doesn't make it a fact. If it
were a flaw in the software, it would happen to everyone.


I did something stupid? Ok Mr Know-It-All, what would that be?


I have no idea.

Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. It is a
hardcore bugware enthusiast dream come true. ;-)

Bug List
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...ch=thunderbird


It's worked find for me since Netscape in 97. Mozilla, unlike MS,
tracks and fixes bugs. BFD.


Which is odd since the same bugs are in version after version and build
after build. Heck I am beta testing FF v28 and the same bug is still
there in all of the builds of v28 and v29 too. They just don't
seem to care.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1


  #44  
Old March 5th 14, 11:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
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BillW50 wrote:

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs.


saltSo is every other major piece of software in use today./salt

However, your statement is false. I am part of "everybody" (as are the
several other posters who've responded) and I did not, and do not have
any problem such as you describe for yourself.


That is because you don't try all of the features and your kind make
lousy testers. How do you know what the software can do if you never
test the limits?


You have no idea how I use the software, so stop making **** up. Though if
you didn't, you wouldn't have much to post...

--
-bts
-This space for rent, but the price is high
  #45  
Old March 5th 14, 11:41 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
BillW50
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"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs.

saltSo is every other major piece of software in use today./salt

However, your statement is false. I am part of "everybody" (as are
the several other posters who've responded) and I did not, and do
not have any problem such as you describe for yourself.


That is because you don't try all of the features and your kind make
lousy testers. How do you know what the software can do if you never
test the limits?


You have no idea how I use the software, so stop making **** up.
Though if you didn't, you wouldn't have much to post...


I am not making anything up! I know you are *not* good enough to find
any bugs in Mozilla products. You, yourself proved it.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1


 




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