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  #46  
Old March 6th 14, 12:37 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
BillW50
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"Bob Henson" wrote in message
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On 05/03/2014 2:34 AM, Windows8 User wrote:

Can somebody confirm that Version 14.0. 8117.0416 is the last version
that is not broken and can be safely used on Windows 8 RTM 64Bit
machine. I had to recover my Toshiba machine which had Windows 8.1
free upgrade but it was crashing all the time so I decided to recover
it and see if it works this time otherwise I'll have to return it for
a replacement.


Why not take the oppportunity to get away from WLM abnd use a real
e-mail program? All versions of WLM are broken, as was OE before it -
just ditch it and use *anything* else. Thunderbird is easiest, Claws
mail is quite good too.


OE6 and WLM are easily fixable with a simple macro. Thunderbird isn't
easy or very useful! Nor can you fix Thunderbird's problems with a
simple macro. Try to find replies to your posts sometime with
Thunderbird. What a piece of junk!

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  #47  
Old March 6th 14, 12:52 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On 05/03/2014 02:34, Windows8 User wrote:

Can somebody confirm that Version 14.0. 8117.0416 is the last version
that is not broken and can be safely used on Windows 8 RTM 64Bit
machine. I had to recover my Toshiba machine which had Windows 8.1 free
upgrade but it was crashing all the time so I decided to recover it and
see if it works this time otherwise I'll have to return it for a
replacement.



Yes it is the last version that works as expected as far as quotes are
concerned. However, the bad news is you won't be able to install it on
Windows 8 machine because Microsoft has already installed its latest App
that is WLM. I don't think you can uninstall it but you can try. I
haven't tried it but then I don't use it. I have Microsoft Outlook and TB.

Microsoft wants everybody to start using the Apps paradigm and forget
about anything called Applications. Apps is the new buzz word in 2014,
thanks to late Steve Jobs.


  #48  
Old March 6th 14, 12:59 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 22:29:42 +0000 (UTC), "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
wrote:

BillW50 wrote:


That is because you don't try all of the features and your kind make
lousy testers. How do you know what the software can do if you never
test the limits?


You have no idea how I use the software, so stop making **** up. Though if
you didn't, you wouldn't have much to post...



LOL! A reply I almost never use, but I'll do it this time:

+1

  #49  
Old March 6th 14, 01:11 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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"Ken Blake" wrote in message
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On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 22:29:42 +0000 (UTC), "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
wrote:

BillW50 wrote:


That is because you don't try all of the features and your kind
make lousy testers. How do you know what the software can do if you
never test the limits?


You have no idea how I use the software, so stop making **** up.
Though if you didn't, you wouldn't have much to post...


LOL! A reply I almost never use, but I'll do it this time:

+1


ROTFL! Beauregard already admitted he is blind as a bat and couldn't
find a bug if it bit him on the nose and you Ken agree. Any half-wit
could find it, amazing how blind some people really are. I personally
know I can find it on Beauregard's machine in 30 seconds or less. ;-)

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  #50  
Old March 6th 14, 01:22 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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Ken Blake wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
That is because you don't try all of the features and your kind make
lousy testers. How do you know what the software can do if you never
test the limits?


You have no idea how I use the software, so stop making **** up. Though
if you didn't, you wouldn't have much to post...


LOL! A reply I almost never use, but I'll do it this time:

+1


Thank you for the support.

I see in _his_ reply to your above post, he is still making **** up. Says
I called myself "blind as a bat." False. Said he can "find it on my
machine in 30 seconds." That's false, too. He knows nothing about my
machine.

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  #51  
Old March 6th 14, 01:30 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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"Good Guy" wrote in message
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On 05/03/2014 02:34, Windows8 User wrote:

Can somebody confirm that Version 14.0. 8117.0416 is the last version
that is not broken and can be safely used on Windows 8 RTM 64Bit
machine. I had to recover my Toshiba machine which had Windows 8.1 free
upgrade but it was crashing all the time so I decided to recover it and
see if it works this time otherwise I'll have to return it for a
replacement.



Yes it is the last version that works as expected as far as quotes are
concerned. However, the bad news is you won't be able to install it on
Windows 8 machine because Microsoft has already installed its latest App
that is WLM. I don't think you can uninstall it but you can try. I
haven't tried it but then I don't use it. I have Microsoft Outlook and
TB.

Microsoft wants everybody to start using the Apps paradigm and forget
about anything called Applications. Apps is the new buzz word in 2014,
thanks to late Steve Jobs.


Since I updated from Win7 to Win8 to Win8.1, I was able to retain my version
of WLM v14.xxx... I'm not too sure you can't uninstall a newer version from
a machine that came with it, but it's not an included/installed mail client
as OE or Windows Mail were. Before I could stop it, WLM was upgraded to the
most recent version after my upgrade from Win7 to Win8. I removed it, and
re-installed the version (14.0. 8117.0416) I'm still using today.
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  #52  
Old March 6th 14, 01:46 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote in message
...
Ken Blake wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
That is because you don't try all of the features and your kind
make lousy testers. How do you know what the software can do if you
never test the limits?

You have no idea how I use the software, so stop making **** up.
Though if you didn't, you wouldn't have much to post...


LOL! A reply I almost never use, but I'll do it this time:

+1


Thank you for the support.

I see in _his_ reply to your above post, he is still making **** up.
Says I called myself "blind as a bat." False. Said he can "find it on
my machine in 30 seconds." That's false, too. He knows nothing about
my machine.


False... Making up ****... etc. You know nobody is going to believe you
if you can't prove your claims. And I could tell you are full of crap
because I have been beta testing for over 30 years and I could careless
what kind of machine you have because I know the bug is there and I know
I can find it in 30 seconds or less. It is child's play to me. I could
find bugs in my sleep it is so simple.

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Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1


  #53  
Old March 6th 14, 03:21 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 00:22:31 +0000 (UTC), "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
That is because you don't try all of the features and your kind make
lousy testers. How do you know what the software can do if you never
test the limits?

You have no idea how I use the software, so stop making **** up. Though
if you didn't, you wouldn't have much to post...


LOL! A reply I almost never use, but I'll do it this time:

+1


Thank you for the support.



You're welcome.


I see in _his_ reply to your above post, he is still making **** up. Says
I called myself "blind as a bat." False. Said he can "find it on my
machine in 30 seconds." That's false, too. He knows nothing about my
machine.



I never see his replies, unless they are quoted by someone else. He's
been killfiled here for a *long* time.

  #54  
Old March 6th 14, 03:24 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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"Ken Blake" wrote in message
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I never see his replies, unless they are quoted by someone else. He's
been killfiled here for a *long* time.


That is because I asked Ken to backup his claims and he ran away.

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  #55  
Old March 6th 14, 09:48 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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VanguardLH wrote:
"...winston‫" wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

I know that when you have an old OS that Microsoft won't let you
retrieve a newer version of Windows Essentials, including any component
of it, like Window Live Mail.


Direct link to Microsoft server to download the latest available
installer executable file

2012
--------
Full version 2012 installer
http://g.live.com/1rewlive5-all/en/wlsetup-all.exe

Web Version 2012 Installer – English Language Version
http://g.live.com/1rewlive5-web/en/wlsetup-web.exe

2011
-------
Full Version 2011 Installer – English Language version
http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/en/wlsetup-all.exe

Web Version 2011 Installer – English Language Version
http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/en/wlsetup-web.exe

2009
-------
Full Version Installer English Language version
http://g.live.com/1rewlive3/en/wlsetup-all.exe

Web Version Installer – English Language Version
http://g.live.com/1rewlive3/en/wlsetup-web.exe

Note: Direct download links above are for the English language
installer. For a different country replace the ‘en’ with the local
language code as noted in the following pfd file.
-
http://liveunplugged.files.wordpress...-downloads.pdf


Go to know the full installers are available. Thanks.

While uncertain, it wouldn't(shouldn't) be surpising that come April 8th
(or shortly thereafter) when XP End-Of-Life arrives if the availability
and links for 2009 (the only version capable on XP) disappear.

That does not necessarily mean that functionality of the 2009 product
will be impacted though it is still appropriate, if impacted to
understand worst case scenarios as a function of security (for a no
longer patched and potential malware target o/s)
- 2009 no longer capable of connecting to Outlook.com with XP (i.e.
upgrade o/s or use the web, or another client)
- 2009 no longer capable of sending Photo email using XP (2011 and
later version use the signed-on MSFT account OneDrive, 2009 after
signon uses public cloud storage for sharing...thus the backend server
could be shutdown
- 2009 DeltaSync access deprecated in some foreseeable time
- No future support for the product in MSFT Answers forums
- whatever else I haven't yet thought of

I wouldn't suspect anything relative to the above 'worst case'
thought-starters to happen immediately but deprecation and mandatory
upgrades have surfaced in the Live product line since 2008 with defined
timeframes prior to a drop dead date...thus imo, anything is possible in
time.






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  #56  
Old March 6th 14, 09:57 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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Good Guy wrote:

Yes it is the last version that works as expected as far as quotes are
concerned. However, the bad news is you won't be able to install it on
Windows 8 machine because Microsoft has already installed its latest App
that is WLM. I don't think you can uninstall it but you can try. I
haven't tried it but then I don't use it. I have Microsoft Outlook and TB.




Win8x doesn't prevent installation or removal of WLM 2009,2011, or 2012.

The Win8 mail app has its own unique message store, index, and
database...completely independent....Two items of note though regarding
Calendar and Contacts..
- if using the same MSFT Account to sign-in to MSFT services in WLM
and as the Windows 8.1 Logon...while stored in unique product specific
databases...the Contacts and Calendar Data will be common since both WLM
and Win8's Mail app sync up and down with the online storage[cloud].


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  #57  
Old March 6th 14, 10:03 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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"...winston‫" wrote:

While uncertain, it wouldn't(shouldn't) be surpising that come April 8th
(or shortly thereafter) when XP End-Of-Life arrives if the availability
and links for 2009 (the only version capable on XP) disappear.


I see http://www.oldversion.com/windows/windows-live-mail/ has the
latest and old 2009 versions. Twould be handy to have all the full
installers housed there. Of course, if WLM 2009 is the only one likely
to disappear when Windows XP's extended support period ends then they
already have it.
  #58  
Old March 6th 14, 10:19 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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VanguardLH wrote:
"...winston‫" wrote:

While uncertain, it wouldn't(shouldn't) be surpising that come April 8th
(or shortly thereafter) when XP End-Of-Life arrives if the availability
and links for 2009 (the only version capable on XP) disappear.


I see http://www.oldversion.com/windows/windows-live-mail/ has the
latest and old 2009 versions. Twould be handy to have all the full
installers housed there. Of course, if WLM 2009 is the only one likely
to disappear when Windows XP's extended support period ends then they
already have it.


Having the full installer is always a good idea regardless of the
version (2009, 2011, 2012).

2012 requires Win7 Sp1 and Win8x.
2011 requires Vista SP2 or Win7 SP1
- thus both should continue to be available.

From a use and support perspective there really is no business value
for MSFT to continue to host XP specific versions of their software.

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  #59  
Old March 6th 14, 10:27 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 05/03/2014 9:03 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 3/5/14 12:07 PM, Bob Henson wrote:
On 05/03/2014 6:56 PM, BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:

Although the number one complaint about TB is it freezes
up too often.


Define "number one".

Of all of the Thunderbird complaints that I hear, the freezing problems
shows up more often than any other one. Ken Springer even mentioned it
just today.


I've used it since it first started and freezing is not a thing I have
ever seen on all the versions of Windows since then and on several Linux
versions - although, like all programs, it has had a few problems that
is not one of them. Maybe it was something to so with the local system,
not Thunderbird?


Just because you have not experienced the bug, does not mean it isn't
real.


No, that's true - but it does mean it's a local problem, otherwise
everyone would have it. Bearing in mind how few complaints there have
been out of all the many thousands (millions?) using Thunderbird, it can
safely be said that it's not just a bug per se, but a local interaction
with Thunderbird. Were they all Mac users like yourself, for example?
Were they using another variety of Linux? Were they using Windows 8? I
reported a bug a while back which happens in every instance on every
machine - purely an error in Thunderbird. There is a marked difference
between that and a problem that has happened to a tiny, weeny minority
of users.



I get it quite often, and I believe it happens when TB is checking for
new messages. If that is the case, if you don't check for messages
automatically, or you have a long time frame between checks, you may
never notice it.


Ah, well then the problem lies with your news server not responding, or
something in the long path to it, not TB. I've just had to switch from
Eternal-September back to Albasani as E-S has been struggling of late.
Sometimes it's the other way around (that's why I have two accounts
setup - because I regularly have to switch) - did you check news-servers
with all the people with a problem? The free news servers are prone to
overloading and down time - but it has got nothing to do with
Thunderbird, despite what the owner says (frequently). The same applies
to e-mail servers - TalkTalk e-mail is down more than it is up, and
causes similar delays. We appear to have a different definition of what
constitutes a bug in Thunderbird - I don't count something that is only
down entirely to external influences in a tiny number of cases.

The HTML editor seems to have a number of issues. Apparently those
issues have been there a very long time, and Mozilla apparently knows
about some of them. I've got a list of 12 here on a sticky note.


There I agree with you entirely - some have been there from the very
outset. Mozilla will never fix them as it means digging a long way back
into the code, and they can't find any devs prepared to take it on. The
devs are only interested in adding trendy new bells and whistles that
no-one wants or needs. Since they aren't doing much of that now either,
what are they doing? The editor (in HTML and plain text) is badly flawed
with regard to inserting blank space. This remained totally unknown to
perhaps 98% of users (it may not even be on your list) - but it was a
real bug, as it affected all instances of Thunderbird. It didn't show up
until you used PGP, when the bug broke the encryption. It never has been
fixed, because Enigmail came along and provided a workaround for the
problem by encoding after the junk had been added (I believe - it was
many years ago and my memory is getting old too).


I've given up on reporting bugs to FOSS software. The attitude of too
many programmers/developers seems to be, if they aren't interested, they
aren't going to fix them. And if they aren't going to fix things that
don't work for me, why should I use the software, or donate my time to
identify issues? Or, even support it with a financial donation?



Again, we are in complete agreement. I reported what I consider to be a
major bug some time back - well over a year now. It hasn't even been
adopted by anyone, never mind had anything done about it. I think we can
safely say that Thunderbird has more or less ceased development.
Unfortunately or fortunately, I don't know which, it's still the best
free e-mail/newsgroup program by a country mile, so we must take
consolation in the fact that whatever else it is, it knocks the spots
off the evil WLM, and any other competition there is - although Claws is
quite good, and still being supported.

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chocolate.
  #60  
Old March 6th 14, 11:04 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 05/03/2014 9:03 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 3/5/14 12:07 PM, Bob Henson wrote:
On 05/03/2014 6:56 PM, BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:

Although the number one complaint about TB is it freezes
up too often.


Define "number one".

Of all of the Thunderbird complaints that I hear, the freezing problems
shows up more often than any other one. Ken Springer even mentioned it
just today.


I've used it since it first started and freezing is not a thing I have
ever seen on all the versions of Windows since then and on several Linux
versions - although, like all programs, it has had a few problems that
is not one of them. Maybe it was something to so with the local system,
not Thunderbird?


Just because you have not experienced the bug, does not mean it isn't
real. That point seems to have been lost here. In the thread in the
Mozilla newsgroup, not everyone experienced it either. But there was
discussion as to why it may happen from a programming perspective.


I see you now think it may be down to Shockwave? That's the very point I
was making - it's not a bug in Thunderbird if it is caused by something
else entirely. In your message in mozilla.support.thunderbird you said
it might be down to Shockwave in Firefox - not Thunderbird - I assume
that was a typo. However, I have Shockwave Flash and Shockwave for
Director plug-ins installed in both Thunderbird and Firefox and it
doesn't happen here - so that's not the answer, unless something else is
involved. I'd keep looking at the News server or the path to it.

If any of the few people that have the problem find it really annoying,
switching to using plain text might be a workaround?


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