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  #61  
Old March 6th 14, 11:08 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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""...winston?"" wrote in message
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[...]
From a use and support perspective there really is no business value
for MSFT to continue to host XP specific versions of their software.


Really? Microsoft has no interest in cashing in on XP users? Why did it
make business sense for Microsoft to continue to issue "OEM licensing
for Windows for Workgroups 3.11 on embedded systems continued to be
available until November 1, 2008" then?

Windows 3.1x - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_3.1x

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  #62  
Old March 6th 14, 12:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"Bob Henson" wrote in message
...
On 05/03/2014 1:38 PM, BillW50 wrote:
"Adam Kubias" wrote in message
...
On 2014-03-04 9:34 PM, Windows8 User wrote:

Can somebody confirm that Version 14.0. 8117.0416 is the last
version that is not broken and can be safely used on Windows 8
RTM 64Bit machine. I had to recover my Toshiba machine which
had Windows 8.1 free upgrade but it was crashing all the time
so I decided to recover it and see if it works this time
otherwise I'll have to return it for a replacement.

I was helping my grandmother trying to set up Windows Live Mail
so she could use the Kodak printer's email scanned document
feature.

Eventually, I gave up and resorted to TB.

I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze
ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw
no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version
TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too.

Since 24.3.0 is the current version, the best bet would be to
leave all ancient versions alone and use that. However, I don't
know what you were doing wrong, but I have never had any freezing
with any version of Thunderbird from its inception many years ago.

I don't know how you didn't get the memo? As it is the number one
of Thunderbird on the net.

Google search results aren't credible proof. Just because others did
something stupid like whatever you did doesn't make it a fact. If it
were a flaw in the software, it would happen to everyone.

I did something stupid? Ok Mr Know-It-All, what would that be?


I have no idea.

Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. It is a
hardcore bugware enthusiast dream come true. ;-)

Bug List
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...ch=thunderbird


It's worked find for me since Netscape in 97. Mozilla, unlike MS,
tracks and fixes bugs. BFD.


Which is odd since the same bugs are in version after version and build
after build. Heck I am beta testing FF v28 and the same bug is still
there in all of the builds of v28 and v29 too. They just don't
seem to care.


You really need to find some way to show it isn't your fault, don't you?
IF the "bug" you're experiencing was true, *everyone* would be
experiencing it and they're not.

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  #63  
Old March 6th 14, 12:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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In ,
Bob Henson typed on Thursday, March 06, 2014 3:27 AM:
On 05/03/2014 9:03 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 3/5/14 12:07 PM, Bob Henson wrote:
On 05/03/2014 6:56 PM, BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:

Although the number one complaint about TB is it freezes
up too often.

Define "number one".

Of all of the Thunderbird complaints that I hear, the freezing
problems shows up more often than any other one. Ken Springer even
mentioned it just today.

I've used it since it first started and freezing is not a thing I
have ever seen on all the versions of Windows since then and on
several Linux versions - although, like all programs, it has had a
few problems that is not one of them. Maybe it was something to so
with the local system, not Thunderbird?


Just because you have not experienced the bug, does not mean it isn't
real.


No, that's true - but it does mean it's a local problem, otherwise
everyone would have it. Bearing in mind how few complaints there have
been out of all the many thousands (millions?) using Thunderbird, it
can safely be said that it's not just a bug per se, but a local
interaction with Thunderbird. Were they all Mac users like yourself,
for example? Were they using another variety of Linux? Were they
using Windows 8? I reported a bug a while back which happens in every
instance on every machine - purely an error in Thunderbird. There is
a marked difference between that and a problem that has happened to a
tiny, weeny minority of users.


What makes you believe this problem only affects a small number of
users? Heck just in the last few months just in this newsgroup, about
half complain about it and about half doesn't. That doesn't sound like
just a small number of users to me.

I get it quite often, and I believe it happens when TB is checking
for new messages. If that is the case, if you don't check for
messages automatically, or you have a long time frame between
checks, you may never notice it.


Ah, well then the problem lies with your news server not responding,
or something in the long path to it, not TB. I've just had to switch
from Eternal-September back to Albasani as E-S has been struggling of
late. Sometimes it's the other way around (that's why I have two
accounts setup - because I regularly have to switch) - did you check
news-servers with all the people with a problem? The free news
servers are prone to overloading and down time - but it has got
nothing to do with Thunderbird, despite what the owner says
(frequently). The same applies to e-mail servers - TalkTalk e-mail is
down more than it is up, and causes similar delays. We appear to have
a different definition of what constitutes a bug in Thunderbird - I
don't count something that is only down entirely to external
influences in a tiny number of cases.


Damn it! You just don't get it! Wake up man! Users don't care what is
wrong, they care if something works or not. And other readers don't
freeze up using the same servers as they did with Thunderbird. That is
all they care about, period!

And that is a Thunderbird problem. To do things correctly, no server
should ever cause Thunderbird to hang, period. If you are claiming that
Thunderbird only works in a perfect world, then what good is it? As the
world we live in isn't perfect at all. And other readers have no problem
dealing with a non-perfect world, but Thunderbird can't!

The HTML editor seems to have a number of issues. Apparently those
issues have been there a very long time, and Mozilla apparently knows
about some of them. I've got a list of 12 here on a sticky note.


There I agree with you entirely - some have been there from the very
outset. Mozilla will never fix them as it means digging a long way
back into the code, and they can't find any devs prepared to take it
on. The devs are only interested in adding trendy new bells and
whistles that no-one wants or needs. Since they aren't doing much of
that now either, what are they doing? The editor (in HTML and plain
text) is badly flawed with regard to inserting blank space. This
remained totally unknown to perhaps 98% of users (it may not even be
on your list) - but it was a real bug, as it affected all instances
of Thunderbird. It didn't show up until you used PGP, when the bug
broke the encryption. It never has been fixed, because Enigmail came
along and provided a workaround for the problem by encoding after the
junk had been added (I believe - it was many years ago and my memory
is getting old too).


Funny I was playing with an old backup on one machine from 2009 for a
problem I had back then that later disappeared. No nothing to do with
Thunderbird. But Thunderbird v1.5.0.8 was there and I started to play
around with it. And guess what? This version doesn't freeze up. So this
problem came later.

I've given up on reporting bugs to FOSS software. The attitude of
too many programmers/developers seems to be, if they aren't
interested, they aren't going to fix them. And if they aren't going
to fix things that don't work for me, why should I use the software,
or donate my time to identify issues? Or, even support it with a
financial donation?


Again, we are in complete agreement. I reported what I consider to be
a major bug some time back - well over a year now. It hasn't even been
adopted by anyone, never mind had anything done about it. I think we
can safely say that Thunderbird has more or less ceased development.
Unfortunately or fortunately, I don't know which, it's still the best
free e-mail/newsgroup program by a country mile, so we must take
consolation in the fact that whatever else it is, it knocks the spots
off the evil WLM, and any other competition there is - although Claws
is quite good, and still being supported.


Oh WLM is evil? Funny I can get it to work, but your problem might be it
is you? ;-) And the one thing that both OE6 and WLM does as you can
instantly view any replies to your posts. Others that never heard of
this feature don't understand why they would want one. Once you
understand what this means, you never want to use a newsgroup reader
without this feature. It saves me like 98% of my time over other
readers. That is just huge! :-)

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  #64  
Old March 6th 14, 01:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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BillW50 wrote:
"Johnny" wrote in message
...
On 03/05/2014 02:23 PM, Blue wrote:
Wildman wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:00:59 +0100, Blue wrote:

BillW50 wrote:

I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze
ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw
no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB
started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too.

Funny, my TB, which is *always* up-to-date, has never froze. And I
use TB with 12 email accounts. I don't use TB for newsgroups,
preferring to keep things separate and using Seamonkey.

I've never had a problem either. I use both the windows and *nix
versions and have for several years.

I've used it since Netscape.


I have used it since Netscape also.

About a year ago I was typing a message to a newsgroup and I noticed
the on screen letters weren't keeping up with the keyboard. I would
stop typing and it would catch up.

I traced the problem down to the Shockwave Flash plugin in Firefox, it
was showing 100 percent CPU usage. What was strange, was that it would
do it only on one website, and that happened to be my home page, and
where I read all the news.

I contacted the news station and told them about it, and even the
advertisement that was causing it.

It hasn't happened again. Now you can set Flash to ask to activate.


Sure the news station will fix it, but Mozilla won't.


Mozilla makes Shockwave? Since when?

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  #65  
Old March 6th 14, 01:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
BillW50
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In ,
Blue typed:
BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"Bob Henson" wrote in message
...
On 05/03/2014 1:38 PM, BillW50 wrote:
"Adam Kubias" wrote in message
...
On 2014-03-04 9:34 PM, Windows8 User wrote:

Can somebody confirm that Version 14.0. 8117.0416 is the last
version that is not broken and can be safely used on Windows
8 RTM 64Bit machine. I had to recover my Toshiba machine
which had Windows 8.1 free upgrade but it was crashing all
the time so I decided to recover it and see if it works this
time otherwise I'll have to return it for a replacement.

I was helping my grandmother trying to set up Windows Live
Mail so she could use the Kodak printer's email scanned
document feature.

Eventually, I gave up and resorted to TB.

I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant
freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007.
And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder
what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12
too.

Since 24.3.0 is the current version, the best bet would be to
leave all ancient versions alone and use that. However, I don't
know what you were doing wrong, but I have never had any
freezing with any version of Thunderbird from its inception
many years ago.

I don't know how you didn't get the memo? As it is the number one
of Thunderbird on the net.

Google search results aren't credible proof. Just because others
did something stupid like whatever you did doesn't make it a
fact. If it were a flaw in the software, it would happen to
everyone.

I did something stupid? Ok Mr Know-It-All, what would that be?

I have no idea.

Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. It is a
hardcore bugware enthusiast dream come true. ;-)

Bug List
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...ch=thunderbird

It's worked find for me since Netscape in 97. Mozilla, unlike MS,
tracks and fixes bugs. BFD.


Which is odd since the same bugs are in version after version and
build after build. Heck I am beta testing FF v28 and the same bug is
still there in all of the builds of v28 and v29 too. They just don't
seem to care.


You really need to find some way to show it isn't your fault, don't
you? IF the "bug" you're experiencing was true, *everyone* would be
experiencing it and they're not.


Gosh, you don't know anything about computers, do you? The bug is in
everybody's copy! For example, you admit you don't use get messages in
Thunderbird every x amount of minutes and you don't see it. Of course
not, because you are not using the part of Thunderbird that contains the
bug. This stuff isn't hard to understand. Why do you act like you don't
understand how any of this works? I even showed you the logs and you
still don't get it. Geez!

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  #66  
Old March 6th 14, 01:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
BillW50
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In ,
Blue typed:
BillW50 wrote:
"Johnny" wrote in message
...
On 03/05/2014 02:23 PM, Blue wrote:
Wildman wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:00:59 +0100, Blue wrote:

BillW50 wrote:

I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant
freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007.
And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder
what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too.

Funny, my TB, which is *always* up-to-date, has never froze. And
I use TB with 12 email accounts. I don't use TB for newsgroups,
preferring to keep things separate and using Seamonkey.

I've never had a problem either. I use both the windows and *nix
versions and have for several years.

I've used it since Netscape.

I have used it since Netscape also.

About a year ago I was typing a message to a newsgroup and I noticed
the on screen letters weren't keeping up with the keyboard. I would
stop typing and it would catch up.

I traced the problem down to the Shockwave Flash plugin in Firefox,
it was showing 100 percent CPU usage. What was strange, was that it
would do it only on one website, and that happened to be my home
page, and where I read all the news.

I contacted the news station and told them about it, and even the
advertisement that was causing it.

It hasn't happened again. Now you can set Flash to ask to activate.


Sure the news station will fix it, but Mozilla won't.


Mozilla makes Shockwave? Since when?


Nobody said Mozilla makes Shockwave. The point was the code of the radio
station had a bug that causes the CPU to use all of the processor power
from Shockwave, which was being used in Thunderbird as a plug in. Other
readers and browsers other than Mozilla products know how to deal with
misbehaving plug ins. Mozilla products don't and don't expect Mozilla to
ever to include such a feature. As Mozilla only works in a perfect
world. ;-)

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  #67  
Old March 6th 14, 01:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Blue[_3_]
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BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Blue typed:
BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"Bob Henson" wrote in message
...
On 05/03/2014 1:38 PM, BillW50 wrote:
"Adam Kubias" wrote in message
...
On 2014-03-04 9:34 PM, Windows8 User wrote:

Can somebody confirm that Version 14.0. 8117.0416 is the last
version that is not broken and can be safely used on Windows
8 RTM 64Bit machine. I had to recover my Toshiba machine
which had Windows 8.1 free upgrade but it was crashing all
the time so I decided to recover it and see if it works this
time otherwise I'll have to return it for a replacement.

I was helping my grandmother trying to set up Windows Live
Mail so she could use the Kodak printer's email scanned
document feature.

Eventually, I gave up and resorted to TB.

I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant
freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007.
And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder
what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12
too.

Since 24.3.0 is the current version, the best bet would be to
leave all ancient versions alone and use that. However, I don't
know what you were doing wrong, but I have never had any
freezing with any version of Thunderbird from its inception
many years ago.

I don't know how you didn't get the memo? As it is the number one
of Thunderbird on the net.

Google search results aren't credible proof. Just because others
did something stupid like whatever you did doesn't make it a
fact. If it were a flaw in the software, it would happen to
everyone.

I did something stupid? Ok Mr Know-It-All, what would that be?

I have no idea.

Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. It is a
hardcore bugware enthusiast dream come true. ;-)

Bug List
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...ch=thunderbird

It's worked find for me since Netscape in 97. Mozilla, unlike MS,
tracks and fixes bugs. BFD.

Which is odd since the same bugs are in version after version and
build after build. Heck I am beta testing FF v28 and the same bug is
still there in all of the builds of v28 and v29 too. They just don't
seem to care.


You really need to find some way to show it isn't your fault, don't
you? IF the "bug" you're experiencing was true, *everyone* would be
experiencing it and they're not.


Gosh, you don't know anything about computers, do you? The bug is in
everybody's copy! For example, you admit you don't use get messages in
Thunderbird every x amount of minutes and you don't see it.


I have all my twelve email accounts checking every 10 minutes.

Of course
not,


See above.

Snip insults.

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  #68  
Old March 6th 14, 01:43 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Blue[_3_]
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BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Blue typed:
BillW50 wrote:
"Johnny" wrote in message
...
On 03/05/2014 02:23 PM, Blue wrote:
Wildman wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:00:59 +0100, Blue wrote:

BillW50 wrote:

I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant
freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007.
And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder
what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too.

Funny, my TB, which is *always* up-to-date, has never froze. And
I use TB with 12 email accounts. I don't use TB for newsgroups,
preferring to keep things separate and using Seamonkey.

I've never had a problem either. I use both the windows and *nix
versions and have for several years.

I've used it since Netscape.

I have used it since Netscape also.

About a year ago I was typing a message to a newsgroup and I noticed
the on screen letters weren't keeping up with the keyboard. I would
stop typing and it would catch up.

I traced the problem down to the Shockwave Flash plugin in Firefox,
it was showing 100 percent CPU usage. What was strange, was that it
would do it only on one website, and that happened to be my home
page, and where I read all the news.

I contacted the news station and told them about it, and even the
advertisement that was causing it.

It hasn't happened again. Now you can set Flash to ask to activate.

Sure the news station will fix it, but Mozilla won't.


Mozilla makes Shockwave? Since when?


Nobody said Mozilla makes Shockwave.


You did.

--
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  #69  
Old March 6th 14, 01:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
BillW50
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Posts: 5,556
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In ,
Blue typed:
BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Blue typed:
BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"Bob Henson" wrote in message
...
On 05/03/2014 1:38 PM, BillW50 wrote:
"Adam Kubias" wrote in message
...
On 2014-03-04 9:34 PM, Windows8 User wrote:

Can somebody confirm that Version 14.0. 8117.0416 is the
last version that is not broken and can be safely used on
Windows 8 RTM 64Bit machine. I had to recover my Toshiba
machine which had Windows 8.1 free upgrade but it was
crashing all the time so I decided to recover it and see
if it works this time otherwise I'll have to return it for
a replacement.
I was helping my grandmother trying to set up Windows Live
Mail so she could use the Kodak printer's email scanned
document feature.

Eventually, I gave up and resorted to TB.

I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant
freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007.
And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder
what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12
too.

Since 24.3.0 is the current version, the best bet would be to
leave all ancient versions alone and use that. However, I
don't know what you were doing wrong, but I have never had any
freezing with any version of Thunderbird from its inception
many years ago.

I don't know how you didn't get the memo? As it is the number
one of Thunderbird on the net.

Google search results aren't credible proof. Just because others
did something stupid like whatever you did doesn't make it a
fact. If it were a flaw in the software, it would happen to
everyone.

I did something stupid? Ok Mr Know-It-All, what would that be?

I have no idea.

Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. It is a
hardcore bugware enthusiast dream come true. ;-)

Bug List
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...ch=thunderbird

It's worked find for me since Netscape in 97. Mozilla, unlike MS,
tracks and fixes bugs. BFD.

Which is odd since the same bugs are in version after version and
build after build. Heck I am beta testing FF v28 and the same bug
is still there in all of the builds of v28 and v29 too. They just
don't seem to care.

You really need to find some way to show it isn't your fault, don't
you? IF the "bug" you're experiencing was true, *everyone* would be
experiencing it and they're not.


Gosh, you don't know anything about computers, do you? The bug is in
everybody's copy! For example, you admit you don't use get messages
in Thunderbird every x amount of minutes and you don't see it.


I have all my twelve email accounts checking every 10 minutes.

Of course not,


See above.

Snip insults.


Then why lie below and say you didn't?

In ,
Blue typed on Wednesday, February 19, 2014 5:43 PM:
BillW50 wrote:
Although I can see from the log that whenever Thunderbird is checking
for new messages (every 5 minutes) in newsgroups


Something I don't have TB configured to do. You can use the F5 key to
refresh. Try it without this enabled.


--
Bill
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Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2


  #70  
Old March 6th 14, 01:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
BillW50
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In ,
Blue typed:
BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Blue typed:
BillW50 wrote:
"Johnny" wrote in message
...
On 03/05/2014 02:23 PM, Blue wrote:
Wildman wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:00:59 +0100, Blue wrote:

BillW50 wrote:

I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant
freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007.
And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder
what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12
too.

Funny, my TB, which is *always* up-to-date, has never froze.
And I use TB with 12 email accounts. I don't use TB for
newsgroups, preferring to keep things separate and using
Seamonkey.

I've never had a problem either. I use both the windows and *nix
versions and have for several years.

I've used it since Netscape.

I have used it since Netscape also.

About a year ago I was typing a message to a newsgroup and I
noticed the on screen letters weren't keeping up with the
keyboard. I would stop typing and it would catch up.

I traced the problem down to the Shockwave Flash plugin in
Firefox, it was showing 100 percent CPU usage. What was strange,
was that it would do it only on one website, and that happened to
be my home page, and where I read all the news.

I contacted the news station and told them about it, and even the
advertisement that was causing it.

It hasn't happened again. Now you can set Flash to ask to
activate.

Sure the news station will fix it, but Mozilla won't.

Mozilla makes Shockwave? Since when?


Nobody said Mozilla makes Shockwave.


You did.


No I didn't.

--
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Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2


  #71  
Old March 6th 14, 01:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
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Blue wrote:

BillW50 wrote more bull****:
Gosh, you don't know anything about computers, do you?


When you have nothing worthwhile to say, insult the poster. Yeah, that's
your ticket. You do it all the time.

The bug is in
everybody's copy! For example, you admit you don't use get messages in
Thunderbird every x amount of minutes and you don't see it.


I have all my twelve email accounts checking every 10 minutes.


I have fifteen email accounts in my Thunderbird, and every one of them
checks for mail every NN minutes - the more important ones, either 10 or
30 minutes, and the less important ones, from two to four hours.

I've never experienced Bull****Bill's problem with "freeze ups" in any
version of Thunderbird, from 0.2 to the present.

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Old March 6th 14, 02:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On 2014-03-04 9:34 PM, Windows8 User wrote:

Can somebody confirm that Version 14.0. 8117.0416 is the
last version that is not broken and can be safely used on
Windows 8 RTM 64Bit machine. I had to recover my Toshiba
machine which had Windows 8.1 free upgrade but it was
crashing all the time so I decided to recover it and see
if it works this time otherwise I'll have to return it for
a replacement.
I was helping my grandmother trying to set up Windows Live
Mail so she could use the Kodak printer's email scanned
document feature.

Eventually, I gave up and resorted to TB.

I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant
freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007.
And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder
what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12
too.

Since 24.3.0 is the current version, the best bet would be to
leave all ancient versions alone and use that. However, I
don't know what you were doing wrong, but I have never had any
freezing with any version of Thunderbird from its inception
many years ago.

I don't know how you didn't get the memo? As it is the number
one of Thunderbird on the net.

Google search results aren't credible proof. Just because others
did something stupid like whatever you did doesn't make it a
fact. If it were a flaw in the software, it would happen to
everyone.

I did something stupid? Ok Mr Know-It-All, what would that be?

I have no idea.

Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. It is a
hardcore bugware enthusiast dream come true. ;-)

Bug List
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...ch=thunderbird

It's worked find for me since Netscape in 97. Mozilla, unlike MS,
tracks and fixes bugs. BFD.

Which is odd since the same bugs are in version after version and
build after build. Heck I am beta testing FF v28 and the same bug
is still there in all of the builds of v28 and v29 too. They just
don't seem to care.

You really need to find some way to show it isn't your fault, don't
you? IF the "bug" you're experiencing was true, *everyone* would be
experiencing it and they're not.

Gosh, you don't know anything about computers, do you? The bug is in
everybody's copy! For example, you admit you don't use get messages
in Thunderbird every x amount of minutes and you don't see it.


I have all my twelve email accounts checking every 10 minutes.

Of course not,


See above.

Snip insults.


Then why lie below and say you didn't?

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Blue typed on Wednesday, February 19, 2014 5:43 PM:
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Although I can see from the log that whenever Thunderbird is checking
for new messages (every 5 minutes) in newsgroups


Something I don't have TB configured to do. You can use the F5 key to
refresh. Try it without this enabled.



You were talking about "messages" which can either be an email message
or a newsgroup message. In fact, I don't do newsgroups in TB. I use
Seamonkey for that to keep things separate so I don't mistakenly email
someone instead of posting a news group message. Why you have newsgroups
polling for new messages is beyond me because it's not necessary as you
can either click on the group or the little arrow next the news server
and messages will be downloaded. Once you're in a group you can hit F5
to download any new messages.

It's obvious you don't like Thunderbird. Don't use it and watch your
Thunderbird problems go away.

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Old March 6th 14, 02:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:00:59 +0100, Blue wrote:

BillW50 wrote:

I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant
freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007.
And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder
what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12
too.

Funny, my TB, which is *always* up-to-date, has never froze.
And I use TB with 12 email accounts. I don't use TB for
newsgroups, preferring to keep things separate and using
Seamonkey.

I've never had a problem either. I use both the windows and *nix
versions and have for several years.

I've used it since Netscape.

I have used it since Netscape also.

About a year ago I was typing a message to a newsgroup and I
noticed the on screen letters weren't keeping up with the
keyboard. I would stop typing and it would catch up.

I traced the problem down to the Shockwave Flash plugin in
Firefox, it was showing 100 percent CPU usage. What was strange,
was that it would do it only on one website, and that happened to
be my home page, and where I read all the news.

I contacted the news station and told them about it, and even the
advertisement that was causing it.

It hasn't happened again. Now you can set Flash to ask to
activate.

Sure the news station will fix it, but Mozilla won't.

Mozilla makes Shockwave? Since when?

Nobody said Mozilla makes Shockwave.


You did.


No I didn't.


What was being fixed? Shockwave? Reread what you wrote.

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Old March 6th 14, 02:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty typed:
Blue wrote:

BillW50 wrote more bull****:
Gosh, you don't know anything about computers, do you?


When you have nothing worthwhile to say, insult the poster. Yeah,
that's your ticket. You do it all the time.


When you don't understand what you are talking about like how Blue often
does, lying about Blue's lack of ability isn't being truthful! And I
don't see any point of lying, do you?

The bug is in everybody's copy! For example, you admit you don't use
get messages in Thunderbird every x amount of minutes and you don't
see it.


I have all my twelve email accounts checking every 10 minutes.


I have fifteen email accounts in my Thunderbird, and every one of them
checks for mail every NN minutes - the more important ones, either 10
or 30 minutes, and the less important ones, from two to four hours.

I've never experienced Bull****Bill's problem with "freeze ups" in any
version of Thunderbird, from 0.2 to the present.


I see you clipped out the reason I explained how that happens! You
either didn't read it or understood it. And it isn't Bull****Bill's
problem either. About half of the people who have posted here in the
last few months have experienced this same problem. And if you peek into
Mozilla's newsgroup, you will find others talking about this too. So do
you often lie to try to make a point? Why is that?

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Old March 6th 14, 02:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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"Bob Henson" wrote in message
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On 05/03/2014 1:38 PM, BillW50 wrote:
"Adam Kubias" wrote in message
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On 2014-03-04 9:34 PM, Windows8 User wrote:

Can somebody confirm that Version 14.0. 8117.0416 is the
last version that is not broken and can be safely used on
Windows 8 RTM 64Bit machine. I had to recover my Toshiba
machine which had Windows 8.1 free upgrade but it was
crashing all the time so I decided to recover it and see
if it works this time otherwise I'll have to return it
for a replacement.
I was helping my grandmother trying to set up Windows Live
Mail so she could use the Kodak printer's email scanned
document feature.

Eventually, I gave up and resorted to TB.

I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant
freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from
2007. And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So
I wonder what version TB started freezing? I know it is
there in v12 too.

Since 24.3.0 is the current version, the best bet would be
to leave all ancient versions alone and use that. However, I
don't know what you were doing wrong, but I have never had
any freezing with any version of Thunderbird from its
inception many years ago.

I don't know how you didn't get the memo? As it is the number
one of Thunderbird on the net.

Google search results aren't credible proof. Just because
others did something stupid like whatever you did doesn't
make it a fact. If it were a flaw in the software, it would
happen to everyone.

I did something stupid? Ok Mr Know-It-All, what would that be?

I have no idea.

Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. It is a
hardcore bugware enthusiast dream come true. ;-)

Bug List
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...ch=thunderbird

It's worked find for me since Netscape in 97. Mozilla, unlike
MS, tracks and fixes bugs. BFD.

Which is odd since the same bugs are in version after version and
build after build. Heck I am beta testing FF v28 and the same bug
is still there in all of the builds of v28 and v29 too. They just
don't seem to care.

You really need to find some way to show it isn't your fault,
don't you? IF the "bug" you're experiencing was true, *everyone*
would be experiencing it and they're not.

Gosh, you don't know anything about computers, do you? The bug is
in everybody's copy! For example, you admit you don't use get
messages in Thunderbird every x amount of minutes and you don't
see it.

I have all my twelve email accounts checking every 10 minutes.

Of course not,

See above.

Snip insults.


Then why lie below and say you didn't?

In ,
Blue typed on Wednesday, February 19, 2014 5:43 PM:
BillW50 wrote:
Although I can see from the log that whenever Thunderbird is
checking for new messages (every 5 minutes) in newsgroups

Something I don't have TB configured to do. You can use the F5 key
to refresh. Try it without this enabled.


You were talking about "messages" which can either be an email message
or a newsgroup message. In fact, I don't do newsgroups in TB.


Later, I mentioned the problem is there whether you use TB just for
email or just newsgroups or both you clown!

I use Seamonkey for that to keep things separate so I don't mistakenly
email someone instead of posting a news group message. Why you have
newsgroups polling for new messages is beyond me because it's not
necessary as you can either click on the group or the little arrow
next the news server and messages will be downloaded. Once you're in a
group you can hit F5 to download any new messages.


Yes I know.

It's obvious you don't like Thunderbird. Don't use it and watch your
Thunderbird problems go away.


Why you little lowlife liar! YOU BET I WANT THIS FIXED! I wouldn't even
waste my time talking about it you little troll! TB has a big advantage
for me since it is easily made portable so it could be easily synced to
all of my machines in seconds. Why wouldn't I want this fixed you liar?

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