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Old July 27th 14, 09:41 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...rget_Windows_8

Even Vista did better.

Of course, this is in line with MS' good/bad, good/bad Windows roll out.

Win 98 good
Win Me bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad

9? If it becomes a rental in the cloud, so much for Windows; that's the end.

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Old July 27th 14, 12:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ed Cryer
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

Alias wrote:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...rget_Windows_8


Even Vista did better.

Of course, this is in line with MS' good/bad, good/bad Windows roll out.

Win 98 good
Win Me bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad

9? If it becomes a rental in the cloud, so much for Windows; that's the
end.


That'd open the flood-gates.
Just imagine if you took Windows out of the market. What would happen?

My answer; You'd get lots and lots of people taking up the Win skeleton
and tailoring it. The market would become overflowing with competing
versions of it; a bit like we have with gas and electricity suppliers,
who scramble their tariffs in order to befuddle the punters, tell
outright lies and rule; until eventually the gov would have to step in
and bring them to order.

At least MS were right about tablets. They're the future, no doubt about
it. But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

If MS can split Win into two; one for PCs, one for tablets, then they'll
get back on track.

Ed


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Old July 27th 14, 01:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

In article ,
lid says...

http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...rget_Windows_8

Even Vista did better.

Of course, this is in line with MS' good/bad, good/bad Windows roll out.

Win 98 good
Win Me bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad

9? If it becomes a rental in the cloud, so much for Windows; that's the end.


You forgot NT4 and Win2K.

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Old July 27th 14, 01:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On 7/27/2014 6:32 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
At least MS were right about tablets. They're the future, no doubt about
it. But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.


While I have used tablets since around 2000, I knew virtually nothing
about Windows tablets. So I decided that I had to start learning. My
first one back in 2012 was a Windows 7 tablet. There wasn't many Windows
8 tablets yet, so I bought two of them. One I installed Windows 8.

Both were a great crash course to Windows 7 and 8 tablets. But I needed
more knowledge about Windows tablets. So I purchased Windows 3.1 and
Windows XP tablets too. So I could see where it got started and see
where it is going.

And I can tell you there is no difference between a Windows tablet and a
Windows desktop. Applications are the same, the Windows kernel is the
same, keyboards are the same, mice, external monitors, etc. are all of
the same.

If MS can split Win into two; one for PCs, one for tablets, then they'll
get back on track.


If a Windows desktop and a Windows tablet is the same, why divide them
up? That is what Apple has done and the two are not compatible with each
other. As the OS is different, applications are different, etc. I see no
reason whatsoever to divide them up. Look at Linux, it is divided up
into over 300 distros. That doesn't help Linux whatsoever. No developer
wants to support 300+ distros, let alone two different Windows versions.

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Old July 27th 14, 01:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Keith Nuttle
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On 7/27/2014 8:27 AM, Andrew Rossmann wrote:
In article ,
lid says...

http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...rget_Windows_8

Even Vista did better.

Of course, this is in line with MS' good/bad, good/bad Windows roll out.

Win 98 good
Win Me bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad

9? If it becomes a rental in the cloud, so much for Windows; that's the end.


You forgot NT4 and Win2K.

I believe Windows 8 was a marketing failure not a failure of the basic
operating system. MS concentrated on the tablet interface, and hid the
fact that there was the desktop interface.

In the desktop interface Windows 8.1 is as good as any thing that MS has
released in the past, including Windows 7 and XP.

With each new form of the computer, people have pronounced the old form
dead. It happened with the growth of the laptop people said the desktop
was dead, etc.

If people stop playing games on their touch pad and actually work with
productivity software, they will find the touch pad does not cut it.
Best example is a multicolumn spread sheet on an touch pad, verse the
same spread sheet on a computer with a 15 or 17 inch monitor. Analyze
your bank account, on a touch pad verse on a monitor. Any time you want
to review a lot of data the touch pad fails as you can not see all of
the data to see the interactions in that data.

Compare typing a letter or other large document on a touch pad vs on a
monitor. edit that document on a touch pad vs a monitor.

Each has it use, and both will be with us for a long time.



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Old July 27th 14, 02:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

Alias wrote:


http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...rget_Windows_8

Even Vista did better.

Of course, this is in line with MS' good/bad, good/bad Windows roll out.

Win 98 good
Win Me bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad

9? If it becomes a rental in the cloud, so much for Windows; that's the
end.


There's nothing wrong with windows 8. Here's the thing i bet it is only
old people who are complaining about win8.

IE those who where around in the time of win 95.

And those old people are on the way out, so windows does not care about the
old only the young? As they are the ones who are going to be using it.

And they are the ones who have growen up with mobile phones.

No one like change!

Querstion how old are you?

Another question what can win7 do that win8 can not please provide a list.
of say ten points or more if you wish.
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Old July 27th 14, 02:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On 27/07/2014 09:41, Alias wrote:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...rget_Windows_8


Even Vista did better.

Of course, this is in line with MS' good/bad, good/bad Windows roll out.

Win 98 good
Win Me bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad

9? If it becomes a rental in the cloud, so much for Windows; that's the
end.


I had less problems with Windows ME than I did with Windows 98.

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Old July 27th 14, 02:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Stephen Wolstenholme[_6_]
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:32:24 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

If MS can split Win into two; one for PCs, one for tablets, then they'll
get back on track.


They're nearly the same so why try to split them? What MS should be
doing is making them even more alike.

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Old July 27th 14, 02:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:04:35 +0100, Darklight
wrote:

And those old people are on the way out, so windows does not care about the
old only the young?


You forgot where the money comes from. The young around here get most
of their money from "old" people like me!

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Old July 27th 14, 02:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On 7/27/2014 7:54 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
If people stop playing games on their touch pad and actually work with
productivity software, they will find the touch pad does not cut it.
Best example is a multicolumn spread sheet on an touch pad, verse the
same spread sheet on a computer with a 15 or 17 inch monitor. Analyze
your bank account, on a touch pad verse on a monitor. Any time you want
to review a lot of data the touch pad fails as you can not see all of
the data to see the interactions in that data.

Compare typing a letter or other large document on a touch pad vs on a
monitor. edit that document on a touch pad vs a monitor.

Each has it use, and both will be with us for a long time.


You are mistaken about a tablet just doesn't cut it. This is a tablet
and it does everything that my laptops does. And my laptops does the
same as desktops does. This tablet resolution is 1440x1080 with a 12.1
inch screen. That is a lot of resolution on a smaller screen. And just
like a desktop, I can plug in a external monitor too. There are no
difference between Windows tablets and Windows desktops, unless you buy
one of those toy tablets. But you can buy a toy desktop too.

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Old July 27th 14, 02:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Roderick Stewart
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 08:54:42 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

I believe Windows 8 was a marketing failure not a failure of the basic
operating system. MS concentrated on the tablet interface, and hid the
fact that there was the desktop interface.

In the desktop interface Windows 8.1 is as good as any thing that MS has
released in the past, including Windows 7 and XP.


Even once you've found the desktop interface, as supplied it lacks a
start button with the functionality to which 500 million Windows users
are already accustomed. And guess what - the commonest complaint about
Windows 8 seems to be the lack of a start button. you are entitled to
your opinion of course, but it doesn't seem to be shared by many.

Rod.
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Old July 27th 14, 02:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On 7/27/2014 8:48 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 08:54:42 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

I believe Windows 8 was a marketing failure not a failure of the basic
operating system. MS concentrated on the tablet interface, and hid the
fact that there was the desktop interface.

In the desktop interface Windows 8.1 is as good as any thing that MS has
released in the past, including Windows 7 and XP.


Even once you've found the desktop interface, as supplied it lacks a
start button with the functionality to which 500 million Windows users
are already accustomed. And guess what - the commonest complaint about
Windows 8 seems to be the lack of a start button. you are entitled to
your opinion of course, but it doesn't seem to be shared by many.


Geez... why do people claim that Windows 8 has no Start button? That
isn't true at all! It is still there, but they moved it to the Charms
bar. The same place you will find the Control Panel, Shut Down, Search,
etc. It isn't any big deal people.

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Old July 27th 14, 03:02 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 08:54:42 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:


I believe Windows 8 was a marketing failure not a failure of the basic
operating system. MS concentrated on the tablet interface, and hid the
fact that there was the desktop interface.

In the desktop interface Windows 8.1 is as good as any thing that MS has
released in the past, including Windows 7 and XP.




Double-ditto! The only significant lack in its desktop interface is
the start orb and its features, but that can be easily restored with a
free or very inexpensive third-party program.

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Old July 27th 14, 03:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:04:35 +0100, Darklight
wrote:

There's nothing wrong with windows 8. Here's the thing i bet it is only
old people who are complaining about win8.

IE those who where around in the time of win 95.

And those old people are on the way out, so windows does not care about the
old only the young? As they are the ones who are going to be using it.

And they are the ones who have growen up with mobile phones.

No one like change!

Querstion how old are you?


I'm the oldest person in my family, but I seem to be the only one that
knows how to do anything with a computer other than web browsing. I've
also worked in Technical Support for an internet service where I was
advising people who were mostly younger than me. Don't assume that old
people are stupid; old people are the ones with most experience. Often
when young people are excited by some gimmick that they think is new,
we're the ones who have seen it all before.

Another question what can win7 do that win8 can not please provide a list.
of say ten points or more if you wish.


There's probably nothing Windows 8 can't do that older systems could
do, provided you're prepared to re-learn how to use a computer to work
out how to do it. However, its default way of doing things is very
counterintuitive to those who are accustomed to things that most
previous operating systems all had, most Linux distros included. Those
would include visible buttons to click, rather than just knowing that
you had to swipe the mouse off a particular edge or corner with
nothing to indicate that you're supposed to do this.

I don't think I'm too old to learn new stuff, but why should I have
to, just to do what I could do before? Computers are supposed to serve
our needs, not the other way around.

Rod.
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Old July 27th 14, 03:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:04:35 +0100, Darklight wrote:

Alias wrote:


http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9249971/

Microsoft_wants_you_to_forget_Windows_8

Even Vista did better.

Of course, this is in line with MS' good/bad, good/bad Windows roll
out.

Win 98 good Win Me bad XP good Vista bad 7 good 8 bad

9? If it becomes a rental in the cloud, so much for Windows; that's the
end.


There's nothing wrong with windows 8. Here's the thing i bet it is only
old people who are complaining about win8.

IE those who where around in the time of win 95.

And those old people are on the way out, so windows does not care about
the old only the young? As they are the ones who are going to be using
it.

And they are the ones who have growen up with mobile phones.

No one like change!

Querstion how old are you?

Another question what can win7 do that win8 can not please provide a
list.
of say ten points or more if you wish.


Shouldn't the question be what does windows 8 do that windows 7 doesn't.
But I'm an old guy so what do I know.
 




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