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Old October 1st 14, 03:15 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
Art Todesco
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On 9/30/2014 1:27 PM, Seth wrote:
Windows 10

http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/30/m...=rss_truncated

Funny how Windows 10 looks like Windows 7 with the blocky desktop
embedded in the Start menu! I've actually never used W8.
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Old October 1st 14, 03:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 10/1/14 7:31 AM, Don Phillipson wrote:
"John Doe" wrote in message
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"Don Phillipson" wrote:

"John Doe" wrote

Microsoft needs to stop trying to harness the ultraportable PC
business and start innovating in the desktop PC business.

Retailers do not nowadays sell enough new desktops to constitute
a market big enough to attract MS.


From what I can see, looks like they sell approximately the same
number as always.


All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays
(not to mention also tablets.)


Just a thought on my part, but with the increasing size and power of
laptops, perhaps laptops and desktops should be lumped together for a
conversation like this. And to me, the Surface seems to be moving
towards being more of a laptop than a tablet.

. . . Apparently many big corporate leaders have
forgotten how capitalism is supposed to be, they have forgotten
that it involves reinvesting the money.


This may be true of "capitalism" but is not uniformly so for
people. Most people with investments either (a) cash them
in so as to enjoy spending the proceeds, or (b) bequeathe
them to other people who may make their own decisions
(whether to invest or enjoy.) The general system of capitalism
does indeed "involve" reinvesting, but capital does not by itself.



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Old October 1st 14, 03:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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|
http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/30/m...=rss_truncated
| Funny how Windows 10 looks like Windows 7 with the blocky desktop
| embedded in the Start menu! I've actually never used W8.

There's an article today at TheRegister talking about
exactly that. They're saying that MS is hoping to
get corporate customers back by making it look a
lot like Win7.

Win8 is a dual system -- a fairly normal Desktop
along with a Metro giant-button screen. (AKA
live tiles.) The sales pitch there was that Desktop
PC software was "old hat" and that people therefore
need to be constantly flipped back into Tile City
until they get over the PC habit. But that scam didn't
work out so well.

Win10 for PCs appears to be a Desktop
that's had the Metro elements integrated. Or one
might say that it's pre-infested so that one doesn't
need an extra Metro screen. Thus the Metro services
can be more gently, and insidiously, insinuated into
peoples' PC usage, rather than flipping the whole
OS and irritating people.

It seems to all still come down to the same thing:
Corporate PCs are their bread and butter, but the
trend these days is a return to the approach of an
AOL walled garden, locking people in to services and
subscriptions. Microsoft are trying to find a way to
"leverage" their vast Windows customer base in order
to quickly achieve the pervasive, intrusive and profitable
OS+apps+devices system that Apple, Google and to
some extent Amazon are using. And MS is doing it
with their usual flair:
If at first you don't succeed, fail, fail again.


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Old October 1st 14, 04:04 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,free.usenet,free.spirit
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Yeah I know that reinvesting is not a requirement. I wasn't
talking about requirements. I was talking about the way the system
is supposed to work. Our country has become an oligarchy. And
obviously there are filthy rich people who have more money than
their descendents will ever spend. Those same people have not
reinvested enough of the money they have sucked from the rest of
us.

It's like the old saying about cleaning your own house before you
clean others. Microsoft could do (or could have done) some really
great stuff with the personal computer instead of just sucking
monopoly profits from the people. It wants to monopolize
ultraportable computers too. If you own a tablet, you can see the
innovation taking place that's nonexistent on the desktop.
Nobody (except maybe the government) is going to give Microsoft the
same chance to dumb-down tablets like it has done with the PC.

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"John Doe" always.look message.header wrote

Microsoft needs to stop trying to harness the ultraportable PC
business and start innovating in the desktop PC business.

Retailers do not nowadays sell enough new desktops to constitute
a market big enough to attract MS.


From what I can see, looks like they sell approximately the same
number as always.


All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays
(not to mention also tablets.)

. . . Apparently many big corporate leaders have
forgotten how capitalism is supposed to be, they have forgotten
that it involves reinvesting the money.


This may be true of "capitalism" but is not uniformly so for
people. Most people with investments either (a) cash them
in so as to enjoy spending the proceeds, or (b) bequeathe
them to other people who may make their own decisions
(whether to invest or enjoy.) The general system of capitalism
does indeed "involve" reinvesting, but capital does not by itself.
--
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(Ottawa, Canada)




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Old October 1st 14, 06:58 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 09:56:09 -0400, Mayayana wrote:

| I'm guessing the "Windows 10" is to compete with "MacOSX". | And that
means all future OSes will be 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, etc. | Maybe it's
acknowledgment of a "subscription future".

All of that seems like a good guess. Also, Microsofties
have always been oddly infatuated with "X": ActiveX, X-Box, docx. The
Win32 API has many functions that have been updated, which MS denotes by
"ex". For example, GetVersion returns the version of the OS.
GetVersionEx is the newer, improved replacement. It's used in a similar
way as the word "premium", having no actual meaning but implying some
sort of specialness. Perhaps even the ditzy MS obsession with XML goes
back to X.

With Windows being at #10 they can plaster Xs here,
there and everywhere, "to their hearts' content". Who wouldn't want to
replace Notepad, with Notepad X, after all? It sounds like a race car.
Notepad X is sure to be more spiffy, with great new functions like a
built-in Bing Bar that searches thesaurus.bing.com. The Bing Bar could
then send a copy of your work to Microsoft every few minutes to help
with picking ads to show at the top of the Notepad X window. Then the
cover story can be that Notepad X is cloudified (or rather
XCloudiffified), with online backup. I can hardly wait. Progress is a
thrilling thing. I'm already feeling a bit depressed that I'm just
writing this post in plain old OE and not in OutlookExpressX.


you're taking this to excess.

F.
  #21  
Old October 1st 14, 07:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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In Paul wrote:

This was not a "9 stinks as a number" decision. It has
some other meaning.


It was chosen to avoid all the "Nein! Nein! Nein!" jokes.

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Old October 1st 14, 07:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 10:55:52 +0100, Roderick Stewart wrote:

Well, the number spoken English does sound like the German word for
"no", and marketing people do take heed of things like that.


To be clear, you're talking about the number "nine", which is "Neun" in
German. "nein" is "no" in German.

I very much doubt this is a factor. I agree with Paul: the "Windows 10"
is to compete with "MacOSX".

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Old October 1st 14, 07:30 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 00:47:29 -0400, Paul wrote:

Seth wrote:
Windows 10

http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/30/m...=rss_truncated


I'm guessing the "Windows 10" is to compete with "MacOSX".
And that means all future OSes will be 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, etc.



Maybe. I'm not convinced, but we'll see.


Maybe it's acknowledgment of a "subscription future". I would
not accept a naive rationale for why it is "10". There is
some evil in that choice, which we'll have to wait and see.
This was not a "9 stinks as a number" decision. It has
some other meaning.



Yes, but my guess is that Microsoft will never tell us why.


For Apple, the break from MacOS 9 to MacOSX, was a transition
from cooperative multitasking to pre-emptive multitasking. It
was a change worthy of a new name (as pre-emptive is not
crash prone like co-operative was). In the case of Microsoft,
the transition from 8 to 10 involves no new technologies
(I've seen no ground breaking announcements), so this is
hardly a comparable naming exercise. Microsoft had pre-emptive
multitasking for a lot longer than Apple. And before them,
probably some Unix kernel. But for Apple, their rewrite of the
OS was a turning point, from the "toy OS" that was MacOS 9.
MacOS 6 through 9 were still very nice, but "they crashed too much".
It used to crash once a day for me, on average. It's
where the notion of "do frequent saves" came from.
You're on a Mac. The MacOSX machine here, doesn't
have that problem (not that I use it much any more).



Corel has been numbering WordPerfect versions with an X following
version 12; the version after that one was called X3, My guess was
that they didn't want to call it 13, since many people think that's an
unlucky number. Then they continued with X's after X3; they are up to
X7 now.

Is my guess right? Who knows. We'll never find out.

What will come after X9? X10? XX? 20? Who knows?
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Old October 1st 14, 08:11 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 10:15:48 -0400, Art Todesco
wrote:

On 9/30/2014 1:27 PM, Seth wrote:
Windows 10

http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/30/m...=rss_truncated

Funny how Windows 10 looks like Windows 7 with the blocky desktop
embedded in the Start menu! I've actually never used W8.



To me, Windows 8 looks more like Windows 7 than Windows 10 does.
That's because I have Windows 8 running with Start8 here.


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Old October 1st 14, 08:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:31:15 -0400, "Don Phillipson"
wrote:


All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays
(not to mention also tablets.)



Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or
laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far as
I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should be used
instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's smaller and
lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other respects, a
laptop is inferior to a desktop:

It's more expensive to buy
It's less upgradable
Replacement parts or upgraded parts are move expensive to buy
Doing replacement or upgrading is harder and often requires a
serviceman
It's more likely to have problems, since it can easily be dropped
and broken
It's more expensive to repair
It's more easily stolen
The keyboard is smaller and harder to use
The monitor is smaller and harder to see

Probably other things too, but those are the ones that come to my mind
quickly.
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Old October 1st 14, 08:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 10/1/14 1:21 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:31:15 -0400, "Don Phillipson"
wrote:


All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays
(not to mention also tablets.)



Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or
laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far as
I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should be used
instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's smaller and
lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other respects, a
laptop is inferior to a desktop:

It's more expensive to buy
It's less upgradable
Replacement parts or upgraded parts are move expensive to buy
Doing replacement or upgrading is harder and often requires a
serviceman
It's more likely to have problems, since it can easily be dropped
and broken
It's more expensive to repair
It's more easily stolen
The keyboard is smaller and harder to use
The monitor is smaller and harder to see

Probably other things too, but those are the ones that come to my mind
quickly.


Agreed with one exception... For some users, owning two computers to do
the same thing simply is not justifiable from a practical and financial
perspective.



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Old October 1st 14, 10:20 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 10:15:48 -0400, Art Todesco
wrote:

On 9/30/2014 1:27 PM, Seth wrote:
Windows 10

http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/30/m...=rss_truncated

Funny how Windows 10 looks like Windows 7 with the blocky desktop
embedded in the Start menu! I've actually never used W8.



:To me, Windows 8 looks more like Windows 7 than Windows 10 does.
:That's because I have Windows 8 running with Start8 here.


Honestly - I don't see much difference between win 8.1 and 10...

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Old October 1st 14, 11:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

"Don Phillipson" wrote:

All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops
nowadays (not to mention also tablets.)


Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or
laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far
as I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should
be used instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's
smaller and lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other
respects, a laptop is inferior to a desktop:


Besides screen size... The fundamental difference is power. If
you're going to use a computer for portability, you don't have the
power of a desktop. When I consider games for my tablet, that's
comes to mind. Chess might be fun, but it's going to suck the
battery dry. I have a feeling that's why the maker of X-Plane
abandoned its attempt on the tablet, flight simulation is
power-hungry. That goes for lots of games. It's going to be
decades before battery technology is up to the task. But tablets
are a lot of fun anyway.
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Old October 1st 14, 11:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 20:28:24 +0200, "s|b" wrote:

Well, the number spoken English does sound like the German word for
"no", and marketing people do take heed of things like that.


To be clear, you're talking about the number "nine", which is "Neun" in
German. "nein" is "no" in German.


Exactly what I said. Say "nine" in English and it sounds very much
like the German word for "no".

I think Microsoft Windows is known as Windows in every country, so
plenty of people would hear it spoken of as "Windows Nine", which to a
German would sound like "Windows No", which is hardly encouraging.

Rod.
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Old October 2nd 14, 12:09 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:31:15 -0400, "Don Phillipson"
wrote:


All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays
(not to mention also tablets.)



Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or
laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far as
I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should be used
instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's smaller and
lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other respects, a
laptop is inferior to a desktop:

It's more expensive to buy
It's less upgradable
Replacement parts or upgraded parts are move expensive to buy
Doing replacement or upgrading is harder and often requires a
serviceman
It's more likely to have problems, since it can easily be dropped
and broken
It's more expensive to repair
It's more easily stolen
The keyboard is smaller and harder to use
The monitor is smaller and harder to see

Probably other things too, but those are the ones that come to my mind
quickly.


Also, it's not too easy to have three or four or more hard drives in a
laptop.

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