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Old October 2nd 14, 12:21 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 11:30:28 -0700
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 00:47:29 -0400, Paul wrote:

Seth wrote:
Windows 10

http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/30/m...=rss_truncated


I'm guessing the "Windows 10" is to compete with "MacOSX".
And that means all future OSes will be 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, etc.



Maybe. I'm not convinced, but we'll see.


It would not be the first time. DR-Dos jumped from version
3.41 to 5.0 about the same time MS released MS-Dos 5.0. DR
never released a version 4. I can only think of one reason
for this. Competition. You know there are sheepeople that
think a higher version number means a better product. Mac
at version 10 and Windows at version 8. Can't have that.

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Old October 2nd 14, 01:10 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 00:47:29 -0400, Paul wrote:

Seth wrote:
Windows 10

http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/30/m...=rss_truncated


I'm guessing the "Windows 10" is to compete with "MacOSX".
And that means all future OSes will be 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, etc.
Maybe it's acknowledgment of a "subscription future". I would
not accept a naive rationale for why it is "10". There is
some evil in that choice, which we'll have to wait and see.
This was not a "9 stinks as a number" decision. It has
some other meaning.


Maybe the next version is called "Windows 10" to avoid confusion with
Windows 95 and 98.


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Old October 2nd 14, 01:19 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:31:15 -0400, "Don Phillipson"
wrote:


All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays
(not to mention also tablets.)



Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or
laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far as
I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should be used
instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's smaller and
lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other respects, a
laptop is inferior to a desktop:

It's more expensive to buy
It's less upgradable
Replacement parts or upgraded parts are move expensive to buy
Doing replacement or upgrading is harder and often requires a
serviceman
It's more likely to have problems, since it can easily be dropped
and broken
It's more expensive to repair
It's more easily stolen
The keyboard is smaller and harder to use
The monitor is smaller and harder to see

Probably other things too, but those are the ones that come to my mind
quickly.


How long has it been since you've been in business environment ?

Can't carry a desktop to a work meeting in the same or different
building (neither qualify as travel).



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Old October 2nd 14, 01:27 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 13:35:37 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 10/1/14 1:21 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:31:15 -0400, "Don Phillipson"
wrote:


All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays
(not to mention also tablets.)



Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or
laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far as
I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should be used
instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's smaller and
lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other respects, a
laptop is inferior to a desktop:

It's more expensive to buy
It's less upgradable
Replacement parts or upgraded parts are move expensive to buy
Doing replacement or upgrading is harder and often requires a
serviceman
It's more likely to have problems, since it can easily be dropped
and broken
It's more expensive to repair
It's more easily stolen
The keyboard is smaller and harder to use
The monitor is smaller and harder to see

Probably other things too, but those are the ones that come to my mind
quickly.


Agreed with one exception... For some users, owning two computers to do
the same thing simply is not justifiable from a practical and financial
perspective.



True, but chances are that those who can afford to travel can also
afford a second computer.
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Old October 2nd 14, 01:27 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 01:09:48 +0200, A wrote:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:31:15 -0400, "Don Phillipson"
wrote:


All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays
(not to mention also tablets.)



Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or
laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far as
I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should be used
instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's smaller and
lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other respects, a
laptop is inferior to a desktop:

It's more expensive to buy
It's less upgradable
Replacement parts or upgraded parts are move expensive to buy
Doing replacement or upgrading is harder and often requires a
serviceman
It's more likely to have problems, since it can easily be dropped
and broken
It's more expensive to repair
It's more easily stolen
The keyboard is smaller and harder to use
The monitor is smaller and harder to see

Probably other things too, but those are the ones that come to my mind
quickly.


Also, it's not too easy to have three or four or more hard drives in a
laptop.



Good point.

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Old October 2nd 14, 01:30 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 20:19:52 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:31:15 -0400, "Don Phillipson"
wrote:


All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays
(not to mention also tablets.)



Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or
laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far as
I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should be used
instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's smaller and
lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other respects, a
laptop is inferior to a desktop:

It's more expensive to buy
It's less upgradable
Replacement parts or upgraded parts are move expensive to buy
Doing replacement or upgrading is harder and often requires a
serviceman
It's more likely to have problems, since it can easily be dropped
and broken
It's more expensive to repair
It's more easily stolen
The keyboard is smaller and harder to use
The monitor is smaller and harder to see

Probably other things too, but those are the ones that come to my mind
quickly.


How long has it been since you've been in business environment ?



LOL! 21 years.



Can't carry a desktop to a work meeting in the same or different
building (neither qualify as travel).



Good point, but I wasn't thinking of business users. I was thinking of
home users.

The same could be said of college students. For example, my grandson,
who is a college student, has only a laptop, and that makes sense for
him too, for the same reasons.
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Old October 2nd 14, 01:31 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 23:22:43 +0100, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 20:28:24 +0200, "s|b" wrote:

Well, the number spoken English does sound like the German word for
"no", and marketing people do take heed of things like that.


To be clear, you're talking about the number "nine", which is "Neun" in
German. "nein" is "no" in German.


Exactly what I said. Say "nine" in English and it sounds very much
like the German word for "no".

I think Microsoft Windows is known as Windows in every country, so
plenty of people would hear it spoken of as "Windows Nine", which to a
German would sound like "Windows No", which is hardly encouraging.



Wouldn't a German hear "Vindows Nein"?

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Old October 2nd 14, 02:27 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 10/1/2014 10:35 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/1/14 7:31 AM, Don Phillipson wrote:
"John Doe" wrote in message
...
"Don Phillipson" wrote:

"John Doe" wrote

Microsoft needs to stop trying to harness the ultraportable PC
business and start innovating in the desktop PC business.

Retailers do not nowadays sell enough new desktops to constitute
a market big enough to attract MS.

From what I can see, looks like they sell approximately the same
number as always.


All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays
(not to mention also tablets.)


Just a thought on my part, but with the increasing size and power of
laptops, perhaps laptops and desktops should be lumped together for a
conversation like this. And to me, the Surface seems to be moving
towards being more of a laptop than a tablet.


MS is really pushing the Surface. It has been used on Hawaii Five-0 for
the past 3 seasons. It's being used on another TV that I watch but can't
recall which one. There were ad banners for it in one of the NFL games I
watched this past weekend. And last week NASCAR announced they were
going to start using them for their inspection process.

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Old October 2nd 14, 02:34 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 10/1/2014 6:19 PM, John Doe wrote:
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

"Don Phillipson" wrote:

All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops
nowadays (not to mention also tablets.)


Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or
laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far
as I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should
be used instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's
smaller and lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other
respects, a laptop is inferior to a desktop:


Besides screen size... The fundamental difference is power. If
you're going to use a computer for portability, you don't have the
power of a desktop.


What do you mean by "power"? Computing power? If so that's not true.

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Old October 2nd 14, 02:58 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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In article ,
lid says...

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 01:09:48 +0200, A wrote:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:31:15 -0400, "Don Phillipson"
wrote:


All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays
(not to mention also tablets.)


Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or
laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far as
I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should be used
instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's smaller and
lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other respects, a
laptop is inferior to a desktop:

It's more expensive to buy
It's less upgradable
Replacement parts or upgraded parts are move expensive to buy
Doing replacement or upgrading is harder and often requires a
serviceman
It's more likely to have problems, since it can easily be dropped
and broken
It's more expensive to repair
It's more easily stolen
The keyboard is smaller and harder to use
The monitor is smaller and harder to see

Probably other things too, but those are the ones that come to my mind
quickly.


Also, it's not too easy to have three or four or more hard drives in a
laptop.



Good point.


USB3 and new externals are making that a lot less of an issue. As it is
I have 6 more or less pemanently connected to my desktop and two others
float around the other pcs in the house. Coukd just as easily be a
laptop or one of the other desktops I own but as they're all a slower
overall pc it doesn't seem suitable and the network is only 100Mbs.
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Old October 2nd 14, 03:17 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 22:58:53 -0300, pjp
wrote:

In article ,
lid says...

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 01:09:48 +0200, A wrote:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:31:15 -0400, "Don Phillipson"
wrote:


All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays
(not to mention also tablets.)


Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or
laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far as
I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should be used
instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's smaller and
lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other respects, a
laptop is inferior to a desktop:

It's more expensive to buy
It's less upgradable
Replacement parts or upgraded parts are move expensive to buy
Doing replacement or upgrading is harder and often requires a
serviceman
It's more likely to have problems, since it can easily be dropped
and broken
It's more expensive to repair
It's more easily stolen
The keyboard is smaller and harder to use
The monitor is smaller and harder to see

Probably other things too, but those are the ones that come to my mind
quickly.


Also, it's not too easy to have three or four or more hard drives in a
laptop.



Good point.


USB3 and new externals are making that a lot less of an issue. As it is
I have 6 more or less pemanently connected to my desktop and two others
float around the other pcs in the house. Coukd just as easily be a
laptop or one of the other desktops I own but as they're all a slower
overall pc it doesn't seem suitable and the network is only 100Mbs.



Permanently connected to a desktop is easy. Permanently connected to
laptop is much harder if you travel with it at all, or even if you
carry it to business meetings as Winston said.
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Old October 2nd 14, 03:32 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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| Good point, but I wasn't thinking of business users. I was thinking of
| home users.
|
| The same could be said of college students. For example, my grandson,
| who is a college student, has only a laptop, and that makes sense for
| him too, for the same reasons.

I'm not so sure it makes so much sense in all cases.
I know a number of people who have switched from
Desktop to laptop, often from PC to Mac. Not all of
them need it for work. One is a retired man who only
uses it at home to write. The common thread seems
to be a sort of restless feeling of need for mobility.
They just have an irrational dislike of having a fixed
appliance. They're "on the go", even if they're going
nowhere. That sense actually overrides what should
be an obviously reduced usability. I ask these people if
they don't find it tedious to work with a tiny keypad, a
mouse "pad" and a 15" or smaller screen, but they
actually don't notice that it's ergonomically inferior.

What does make sense to me is people who have a
laptop plugged into some kind of cradle that gives them
a big screen, keyboard and mouse when they're at home.
But I don't see many people who do that. I suspect
that those are the people who *really* need their
computer for business.


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Old October 2nd 14, 04:04 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Ron wrote:

John Doe wrote:
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
"Don Phillipson" wrote:

All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops
nowadays (not to mention also tablets.)

Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops
or laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy.
As far as I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a
laptop should be used instead of a desktop is when traveling,
because it's smaller and lighter, and therefore easier to
carry. In all other respects, a laptop is inferior to a
desktop:


Besides screen size... The fundamental difference is power. If
you're going to use a computer for portability, you don't have
the power of a desktop. When I consider games for my tablet,
that's comes to mind. Chess might be fun, but it's going to
suck the battery dry. I have a feeling that's why the maker of
X-Plane abandoned its attempt on the tablet, flight simulation
is power-hungry. That goes for lots of games. It's going to be
decades before battery technology is up to the task. But
tablets are a lot of fun anyway.


What do you mean by "power"? Computing power? If so that's not
true.


You should not have snipped so much of my post since you are
confused. I don't want to have to explain everything over and over
again.

You do know what "portability" means? It means you are running off
of battery power. Part of it depends on how much portability you
need and how many times you want to cycle the battery during a
day. You will notice that the most intense and enjoyable games are
not on tablets. I'm talking about mainstream games. Any gamer
knows what I'm talking about... Like $200+ video card gaming. Like
gaming systems that require 500+ W power supplies.

Tablets are cool but they can't do miracles. Like I said, it will
be decades before battery power will allow them to do the tricks
that a desktop personal computer can do.
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Old October 2nd 14, 04:14 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 18:09:10 +0000 (UTC), Bert
wrote:

In Paul wrote:

This was not a "9 stinks as a number" decision. It has
some other meaning.


It was chosen to avoid all the "Nein! Nein! Nein!" jokes.


Possibly. I have made jokes about Windows 8 (W8 i.e. wait), and
the nein joke about 9. Why don't they call it Windows 11, and say
"This operating system goes up to 11!"?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
 




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