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  #31  
Old November 22nd 14, 02:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Joe Morris
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Default November 2014 Windows 8.1 Update Rollup

"R. C. White" wrote:

For several years now, my WU setting hasn't changed. It is still,
"Download updates but let me choose whether to install them." This has
always worked very well for me. And I very seldom choose to NOT install
any of them. I can't make head nor tails of the "explanation" that is
always offered, anyhow. (Sounds like boilerplate that seldom says
anything informative - or specific to the current update.) If I install
one and it doesn't work, I can blame Microsoft; if I don't install a
recommended update and my computer dies, "I've got only me to blame 'cause
Mama tried", as Merle Haggard sang.


To some degree the use of generic boilerplace without lots of details is
necessary; the more information provided about the vulnerability the easier
it is for the nasty guys to figure out how to exploit it on machines that
haven't been patched...and even with the imprecise descriptions of the
vulnerabilities we've often seen attacks begin very soon after the bulletins
are released.

If you're looking for more information about what a patch addresses, you
might get a little more than what's in the SB by clicking through the CVE
(Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures) link in the Microsoft Securit
Bulletin, then stepping through the "references" list on the CVE page. As
an example, MS14-066 (the out-of-season server patch released recently)
addresses CVE-2014-6321, and its page in CVE links in turn to related pages
from Microsoft, BeyondTrust.com, US-CERT.GOV, and cert.org; the CVE page
header also contains a link to nist.gov.

Joe


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  #32  
Old November 22nd 14, 03:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
R. C. White
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Default November 2014 Windows 8.1 Update Rollup

Hi, Joe.

... the more information provided about the vulnerability the easier it is
for the nasty guys to figure out how to exploit it on machines that
haven't been patched...


That makes sense, I suppose. ;^}

If you're looking for more information about what a patch addresses,...


Nah, I'm not techie enough to understand most of those details, anyhow. ;^{

So I guess I'll just keep clicking "Install" and accept almost everything
Microsoft supplies, optional or not. It has always worked - for me - so
far.

Thanks for the explanation.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro with Media
Center


"Joe Morris" wrote in message ...

"R. C. White" wrote:

For several years now, my WU setting hasn't changed. It is still,
"Download updates but let me choose whether to install them." This has
always worked very well for me. And I very seldom choose to NOT install
any of them. I can't make head nor tails of the "explanation" that is
always offered, anyhow. (Sounds like boilerplate that seldom says
anything informative - or specific to the current update.) If I install
one and it doesn't work, I can blame Microsoft; if I don't install a
recommended update and my computer dies, "I've got only me to blame 'cause
Mama tried", as Merle Haggard sang.


To some degree the use of generic boilerplace without lots of details is
necessary; the more information provided about the vulnerability the easier
it is for the nasty guys to figure out how to exploit it on machines that
haven't been patched...and even with the imprecise descriptions of the
vulnerabilities we've often seen attacks begin very soon after the bulletins
are released.

If you're looking for more information about what a patch addresses, you
might get a little more than what's in the SB by clicking through the CVE
(Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures) link in the Microsoft Securit
Bulletin, then stepping through the "references" list on the CVE page. As
an example, MS14-066 (the out-of-season server patch released recently)
addresses CVE-2014-6321, and its page in CVE links in turn to related pages
from Microsoft, BeyondTrust.com, US-CERT.GOV, and cert.org; the CVE page
header also contains a link to nist.gov.

Joe

  #33  
Old November 23rd 14, 04:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
SC Tom[_3_]
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Default November 2014 Windows 8.1 Update Rollup



""...winston‫"" wrote in message
...
SC Tom wrote:


"SC Tom" wrote in message ...


""...winston‫"" wrote in message
...
November 2014 update rollup for Windows RT 8.1, Windows 8.1, and
Windows
Server 2012 R2:

https://support2.microsoft.com/kb/3000850

See the article for new features and improvements.



Do you have to be logged in with a Microsoft account in order to
install this? Seems to me that I was logged in with my local account
when I upgraded to 8.1, so I don't know if that makes any difference
or not. That's the only reason I can think of for the continual
failure of this rollup.


Nope, never mind, that's not it.

Hi, SCTom

Is your Antivirus program AVAST. There are some reported issues that the
update fails when AVAST is installed.

See
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=160717.0


http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...5-3ae1a72b0b1a



Well, I got it to install today. After trying it for the umpteenth time
early this morning, and having if fail for the umpteenth time, I came across
this article on line:
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/173051-kb3000850-big-update-windows-812/page-2

About a third of the way down is a post about making sure these two folders
exist:
C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Accessibility
C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Accessories\System
Tools

I didn't have either folder, so I created them (well, tried to anyhow). The
first one was no problem, but the second was a no go. That may be a
protected name or it may be that \Windows Accessories exists and the system
points to that as the \Accessories folder. There is already a \System Tools
folder under that, so I let that one go and tried to install the update
again.
One of two things happened; either there was a change to the rollup by
Microsoft since my early morning attempt, or the \Accessibility folder was a
necessity. Either way, KB3000850 finally installed.
It doesn't appear to have changed anything, and I may not have really needed
it, but it just pushes my buttons when something that should be so easy
isn't. I'm sure a number of people here know exactly what I mean :-)
--
SC Tom


  #34  
Old November 24th 14, 06:58 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Charlie
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Default November 2014 Windows 8.1 Update Rollup

On 11/22/2014 7:12 AM, Crkeehn wrote:
On 11/21/2014 8:41 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 01:46:19 -0700, "...winston?"
wrote:

November 2014 update rollup for Windows RT 8.1, Windows 8.1, and Windows
Server 2012 R2:

https://support2.microsoft.com/kb/3000850

See the article for new features and improvements.


The discussion makes it look like this is something that people are
proactively downloading and installing. Will this not also be
available via
Windows Update at some point? Or if not the rollup in its entirety,
perhaps
the functional equivalent in multiple smaller pieces?

It's classed as an optional update. It may not show up for a while.

Carl

It showed up yesterday 11/23/14 on this desktop. The server seemed to
have problems of some type, resulting in longer than normal download
times. Intermittently looking at the install process with task manager,
since it was taking an unusual amount of time, showed significant
activity in various "services" as the install process ran.
Antivirus, update helper, and so forth.
  #35  
Old November 24th 14, 12:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
HS[_2_]
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Default November 2014 Windows 8.1 Update Rollup



charlie wrote:
On 11/22/2014 7:12 AM, Crkeehn wrote:
On 11/21/2014 8:41 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 01:46:19 -0700, "...winston?"
wrote:

November 2014 update rollup for Windows RT 8.1, Windows 8.1, and
Windows
Server 2012 R2:

https://support2.microsoft.com/kb/3000850

See the article for new features and improvements.

The discussion makes it look like this is something that people are
proactively downloading and installing. Will this not also be
available via
Windows Update at some point? Or if not the rollup in its entirety,
perhaps
the functional equivalent in multiple smaller pieces?

It's classed as an optional update. It may not show up for a while.

Carl

It showed up yesterday 11/23/14 on this desktop. The server seemed to
have problems of some type, resulting in longer than normal download
times. Intermittently looking at the install process with task manager,
since it was taking an unusual amount of time, showed significant
activity in various "services" as the install process ran.
Antivirus, update helper, and so forth.


I downloaded the iso file of windows 8.1 from microsoft and it has the latest
November update. I did a clean reinstall of win 8.1.

.............................................

Create installation media for Windows 8.1

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media

............................................
HS


  #36  
Old November 24th 14, 06:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
BenSmith
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Default November 2014 Windows 8.1 Update Rollup

"HS" escreveu na mensagem ...

I downloaded the iso file of windows 8.1 from microsoft and it has the latest
November update. I did a clean reinstall of win 8.1.

............................................

Create installation media for Windows 8.1

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media

...........................................


Some people bought OEM Windows 8 preinstalled on machine. In this case and using
the above link, how do you do a reinstall without serial key?




  #37  
Old November 25th 14, 03:40 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
HS[_2_]
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Default November 2014 Windows 8.1 Update Rollup



BenSmith wrote:
"HS" escreveu na mensagem
...

I downloaded the iso file of windows 8.1 from microsoft and it has the
latest
November update. I did a clean reinstall of win 8.1.

............................................

Create installation media for Windows 8.1

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media

...........................................


Some people bought OEM Windows 8 preinstalled on machine. In this case
and using the above link, how do you do a reinstall without serial key?



I would first "recover" the product key with a program like Magic Jelly Bean
and store it is a very safe place before doing a fresh installation

https://www.magicaljellybean.com/

I have also used ProduKey

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html

Try both for a peace of mind


HS





  #38  
Old November 25th 14, 04:28 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Default November 2014 Windows 8.1 Update Rollup

HS wrote:


BenSmith wrote:
"HS" escreveu na mensagem
...

I downloaded the iso file of windows 8.1 from microsoft and it has the
latest
November update. I did a clean reinstall of win 8.1.

............................................

Create installation media for Windows 8.1

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media

...........................................


Some people bought OEM Windows 8 preinstalled on machine. In this case
and using the above link, how do you do a reinstall without serial key?



I would first "recover" the product key with a program like Magic Jelly
Bean
and store it is a very safe place before doing a fresh installation

https://www.magicaljellybean.com/

I have also used ProduKey

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html

Try both for a peace of mind


HS


If the discussion is about Windows 8 OEM, you need a different
recipe than MagicJellyBean... Something I picked up in some
thread here, only a couple days ago. the new detail, was
with respect to where the key is stored. Now, maybe the key
is obtainable both ways, but at least this gives a way to
get it, without a working Windows running on the computer.

*******
1- Download and create a Linux Live CD, Linux Mint or Ubuntu for example
2 - launch it
3- open the console called Terminal
4- type: ls /sys/firmware/acpi/tables , it will shows you if you have a MSDM table
5- then type: sudo hd /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/MSDM

the license will shows up on the right of the output.

Then now you can use it to install Win8.xx
*******

Now, while that is interesting, another data point is,
that a Windows 8 Retail install (of matching install type),
will automatically activate when presented with the BIOS key.
So while you can extract the key from MSDM, it may not
even be necessary to have the key in hand. You would
likely need to match Core with Core, or Pro with Pro, so
if your OEM machine came with Core (a.k.a Home), then
you'd likely want to be attempting to install a retail
one similar to that, so it will activate without
complaint. Maybe a universal DVD (with ei.cfg removed)
could be used for the installation. An MSDN subscription
image (via Torrent), could give you materials for
several different flavors of after-market install.

For other OEM OSes (Windows 7 or earlier), they are BIOS
SLIC activated. But there isn't a unique key in there.
The key that goes with SLIC is a "bulk" key of some sort.
The key printed on the COA is a different key, and is
a unique value per machine (Windows 7 machines have a COA,
Windows 8 machines do not). And even with MagicJellyBean,
you have to remember what you're extracting. The "bulk" key
would not be of any use to you, whereas someone who
reinstalled the OS and inserted the COA key, that key
would be reusable if extracted with the Magic. So if the
user did an install based on COA, did phone activation
when prompted, later the COA sticker got scratched up,
the MagicJellyBean can help in that case.

I don't have a Win8 OEM machine here, so I don't have the
materials to verify the new MSDM info. I'm surprised the
key isn't encrypted.

HTH,
Paul



  #39  
Old November 25th 14, 05:47 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Homero
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Default November 2014 Windows 8.1 Update Rollup



"HS" escreveu na mensagem ...

I downloaded the iso file of windows 8.1 from microsoft and it has the latest
November update. I did a clean reinstall of win 8.1.

............................................

Create installation media for Windows 8.1

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media

...........................................

"BenSmith" escreveu na mensagem ...

Some people bought OEM Windows 8 preinstalled on machine. In this case and
using the above link, how do you do a reinstall without serial key?



"With Windows 8, Microsoft has changed from stickers that have the product key
that the user has to type in when installing the operating system to new BIOS
embedded product keys. The idea is that by eliminating the sticker, you
eliminate one of the easier ways for nefarious users to get a legitimate product
key. Eliminating the product key sticker also removes any worry that the sticker
might get damaged while at the same time eliminating the long and irritating
process of typing in various letters and numbers when installing the operating
system.

If the user has to reinstall the operating system on a machine that came with
Windows 8, the installation process automatically grabs the software product key
from the motherboard BIOS with no input from the user. This means that those
familiar Windows product key stickers will no longer appear on the Windows 8
computers."

See the entire conversation on the Microsoft Community website.





  #40  
Old November 25th 14, 07:09 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
...winston‫
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Default November 2014 Windows 8.1 Update Rollup

Paul wrote:
HS wrote:


BenSmith wrote:
"HS" escreveu na mensagem
...

I downloaded the iso file of windows 8.1 from microsoft and it has the
latest
November update. I did a clean reinstall of win 8.1.

............................................

Create installation media for Windows 8.1

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media

...........................................

Some people bought OEM Windows 8 preinstalled on machine. In this case
and using the above link, how do you do a reinstall without serial key?



I would first "recover" the product key with a program like Magic
Jelly Bean
and store it is a very safe place before doing a fresh installation

https://www.magicaljellybean.com/

I have also used ProduKey

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html

Try both for a peace of mind


HS


If the discussion is about Windows 8 OEM, you need a different
recipe than MagicJellyBean... Something I picked up in some
thread here, only a couple days ago. the new detail, was
with respect to where the key is stored. Now, maybe the key
is obtainable both ways, but at least this gives a way to
get it, without a working Windows running on the computer.

*******
1- Download and create a Linux Live CD, Linux Mint or Ubuntu for example
2 - launch it
3- open the console called Terminal
4- type: ls /sys/firmware/acpi/tables , it will shows you if you have a
MSDM table
5- then type: sudo hd /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/MSDM

the license will shows up on the right of the output.

Then now you can use it to install Win8.xx
*******

Now, while that is interesting, another data point is,
that a Windows 8 Retail install (of matching install type),
will automatically activate when presented with the BIOS key.
So while you can extract the key from MSDM, it may not
even be necessary to have the key in hand. You would
likely need to match Core with Core, or Pro with Pro, so
if your OEM machine came with Core (a.k.a Home), then
you'd likely want to be attempting to install a retail
one similar to that, so it will activate without
complaint. Maybe a universal DVD (with ei.cfg removed)
could be used for the installation. An MSDN subscription
image (via Torrent), could give you materials for
several different flavors of after-market install.

For other OEM OSes (Windows 7 or earlier), they are BIOS
SLIC activated. But there isn't a unique key in there.
The key that goes with SLIC is a "bulk" key of some sort.
The key printed on the COA is a different key, and is
a unique value per machine (Windows 7 machines have a COA,
Windows 8 machines do not). And even with MagicJellyBean,
you have to remember what you're extracting. The "bulk" key
would not be of any use to you, whereas someone who
reinstalled the OS and inserted the COA key, that key
would be reusable if extracted with the Magic. So if the
user did an install based on COA, did phone activation
when prompted, later the COA sticker got scratched up,
the MagicJellyBean can help in that case.

I don't have a Win8 OEM machine here, so I don't have the
materials to verify the new MSDM info. I'm surprised the
key isn't encrypted.

HTH,
Paul



Maybe someone with an OEM unit will attempt the Linux based MSDM route.
- and actually verify it shows all Product Key digits and not just the
last 5.

Office 2013 retail comes with a product key (no media, download only,
Click to Run Install). The included Product Key in the retail package is
a key with the right to download and install (creation of a MSFT account
is necessary too). If one wishes to find 'their' installed product
key, it is not the one in the package, but the one available in their
Microsoft account.



--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps
  #41  
Old November 25th 14, 10:28 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
HS[_2_]
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Default November 2014 Windows 8.1 Update Rollup



Homero wrote:



"With Windows 8, Microsoft has changed from stickers that have the
product key that the user has to type in when installing the operating
system to new BIOS embedded product keys. The idea is that by
eliminating the sticker, you eliminate one of the easier ways for
nefarious users to get a legitimate product key. Eliminating the product
key sticker also removes any worry that the sticker might get damaged
while at the same time eliminating the long and irritating process of
typing in various letters and numbers when installing the operating system.

If the user has to reinstall the operating system on a machine that came
with Windows 8, the installation process automatically grabs the
software product key from the motherboard BIOS with no input from the
user. This means that those familiar Windows product key stickers will
no longer appear on the Windows 8 computers."

See the entire conversation on the Microsoft Community website.



I have bought 2 laptops for my teenage granchildren in the last year.

In both cases I replaced the hard disk with ssd and did a clean installation

With Lenovo Twist the installation process grabbed the key from the bios

With Asus Vivo book 13.3 inch) it did not do so. I had to enter the keys which I had
extracted with Jelly Bean before replacing the hard disk with ssd.

HS
  #42  
Old November 25th 14, 01:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Roderick Stewart
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Default November 2014 Windows 8.1 Update Rollup

On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 23:09:37 -0700, "...winston?"
wrote:

I would first "recover" the product key with a program like Magic
Jelly Bean
and store it is a very safe place before doing a fresh installation

https://www.magicaljellybean.com/

I have also used ProduKey

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html

Try both for a peace of mind


Keyfinder is another one. I'd offer the same advice to anyone
considering replacing *any* Windows installation, particularly of
unknown provenance. The installed key *should* match the one on the
sticker, but even if the sticker is actually readable, you can't
guarantee the printed code is the one relating to what's installed.

Rod.
  #43  
Old November 25th 14, 03:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Caver1
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Default November 2014 Windows 8.1 Update Rollup

On 11/25/2014 01:09 AM, "...winston‫" wrote:
Paul wrote:
HS wrote:


BenSmith wrote:
"HS" escreveu na mensagem
...

I downloaded the iso file of windows 8.1 from microsoft and it has the
latest
November update. I did a clean reinstall of win 8.1.

............................................

Create installation media for Windows 8.1

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media

...........................................

Some people bought OEM Windows 8 preinstalled on machine. In this case
and using the above link, how do you do a reinstall without serial key?



I would first "recover" the product key with a program like Magic
Jelly Bean
and store it is a very safe place before doing a fresh installation

https://www.magicaljellybean.com/

I have also used ProduKey

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html

Try both for a peace of mind


HS


If the discussion is about Windows 8 OEM, you need a different
recipe than MagicJellyBean... Something I picked up in some
thread here, only a couple days ago. the new detail, was
with respect to where the key is stored. Now, maybe the key
is obtainable both ways, but at least this gives a way to
get it, without a working Windows running on the computer.

*******
1- Download and create a Linux Live CD, Linux Mint or Ubuntu for example
2 - launch it
3- open the console called Terminal
4- type: ls /sys/firmware/acpi/tables , it will shows you if you have a
MSDM table
5- then type: sudo hd /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/MSDM

the license will shows up on the right of the output.

Then now you can use it to install Win8.xx
*******

Now, while that is interesting, another data point is,
that a Windows 8 Retail install (of matching install type),
will automatically activate when presented with the BIOS key.
So while you can extract the key from MSDM, it may not
even be necessary to have the key in hand. You would
likely need to match Core with Core, or Pro with Pro, so
if your OEM machine came with Core (a.k.a Home), then
you'd likely want to be attempting to install a retail
one similar to that, so it will activate without
complaint. Maybe a universal DVD (with ei.cfg removed)
could be used for the installation. An MSDN subscription
image (via Torrent), could give you materials for
several different flavors of after-market install.

For other OEM OSes (Windows 7 or earlier), they are BIOS
SLIC activated. But there isn't a unique key in there.
The key that goes with SLIC is a "bulk" key of some sort.
The key printed on the COA is a different key, and is
a unique value per machine (Windows 7 machines have a COA,
Windows 8 machines do not). And even with MagicJellyBean,
you have to remember what you're extracting. The "bulk" key
would not be of any use to you, whereas someone who
reinstalled the OS and inserted the COA key, that key
would be reusable if extracted with the Magic. So if the
user did an install based on COA, did phone activation
when prompted, later the COA sticker got scratched up,
the MagicJellyBean can help in that case.

I don't have a Win8 OEM machine here, so I don't have the
materials to verify the new MSDM info. I'm surprised the
key isn't encrypted.

HTH,
Paul



Maybe someone with an OEM unit will attempt the Linux based MSDM route.
- and actually verify it shows all Product Key digits and not just the
last 5.

Office 2013 retail comes with a product key (no media, download only,
Click to Run Install). The included Product Key in the retail package is
a key with the right to download and install (creation of a MSFT account
is necessary too). If one wishes to find 'their' installed product
key, it is not the one in the package, but the one available in their
Microsoft account.




Belarc does more then just show you your product key. OEM or retail.

--
Caver1
  #44  
Old November 25th 14, 05:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Sir Slimer
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Posts: 5
Default November 2014 Windows 8.1 Update Rollup

On 25/11/2014 9:56 AM, Caver1 wrote:
On 11/25/2014 01:09 AM, "...winston‫" wrote:
Paul wrote:
HS wrote:


BenSmith wrote:
"HS" escreveu na mensagem
...

I downloaded the iso file of windows 8.1 from microsoft and it has
the
latest
November update. I did a clean reinstall of win 8.1.

............................................

Create installation media for Windows 8.1

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media


...........................................

Some people bought OEM Windows 8 preinstalled on machine. In this case
and using the above link, how do you do a reinstall without serial
key?



I would first "recover" the product key with a program like Magic
Jelly Bean
and store it is a very safe place before doing a fresh installation

https://www.magicaljellybean.com/

I have also used ProduKey

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html

Try both for a peace of mind


HS

If the discussion is about Windows 8 OEM, you need a different
recipe than MagicJellyBean... Something I picked up in some
thread here, only a couple days ago. the new detail, was
with respect to where the key is stored. Now, maybe the key
is obtainable both ways, but at least this gives a way to
get it, without a working Windows running on the computer.

*******
1- Download and create a Linux Live CD, Linux Mint or Ubuntu for example
2 - launch it
3- open the console called Terminal
4- type: ls /sys/firmware/acpi/tables , it will shows you if you have a
MSDM table
5- then type: sudo hd /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/MSDM

the license will shows up on the right of the output.

Then now you can use it to install Win8.xx
*******

Now, while that is interesting, another data point is,
that a Windows 8 Retail install (of matching install type),
will automatically activate when presented with the BIOS key.
So while you can extract the key from MSDM, it may not
even be necessary to have the key in hand. You would
likely need to match Core with Core, or Pro with Pro, so
if your OEM machine came with Core (a.k.a Home), then
you'd likely want to be attempting to install a retail
one similar to that, so it will activate without
complaint. Maybe a universal DVD (with ei.cfg removed)
could be used for the installation. An MSDN subscription
image (via Torrent), could give you materials for
several different flavors of after-market install.

For other OEM OSes (Windows 7 or earlier), they are BIOS
SLIC activated. But there isn't a unique key in there.
The key that goes with SLIC is a "bulk" key of some sort.
The key printed on the COA is a different key, and is
a unique value per machine (Windows 7 machines have a COA,
Windows 8 machines do not). And even with MagicJellyBean,
you have to remember what you're extracting. The "bulk" key
would not be of any use to you, whereas someone who
reinstalled the OS and inserted the COA key, that key
would be reusable if extracted with the Magic. So if the
user did an install based on COA, did phone activation
when prompted, later the COA sticker got scratched up,
the MagicJellyBean can help in that case.

I don't have a Win8 OEM machine here, so I don't have the
materials to verify the new MSDM info. I'm surprised the
key isn't encrypted.

HTH,
Paul



Maybe someone with an OEM unit will attempt the Linux based MSDM route.
- and actually verify it shows all Product Key digits and not just the
last 5.

Office 2013 retail comes with a product key (no media, download only,
Click to Run Install). The included Product Key in the retail package is
a key with the right to download and install (creation of a MSFT account
is necessary too). If one wishes to find 'their' installed product
key, it is not the one in the package, but the one available in their
Microsoft account.




Belarc does more then just show you your product key. OEM or retail.


Belarc is a God-send. It allowed me to retrieve my Windows 8 key when I
was sure I had lost it.

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Old November 25th 14, 07:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default November 2014 Windows 8.1 Update Rollup

On 2014-11-25, ...winston??? wrote:

..............lots skipped...........



Maybe someone with an OEM unit will attempt the Linux based MSDM route.
- and actually verify it shows all Product Key digits and not just the
last 5.

Office 2013 retail comes with a product key (no media, download only,
Click to Run Install). The included Product Key in the retail package is
a key with the right to download and install (creation of a MSFT account
is necessary too). If one wishes to find 'their' installed product
key, it is not the one in the package, but the one available in their
Microsoft account.




Does this mean that the OEM computers will NEVER get a bios updated?

I think that I made the right decision to update my computer several
months ago rather than getting an "off the shelf" product......
 




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