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  #46  
Old March 12th 15, 10:01 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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....apparently were not quite at the 2 GB namebrand HDD for $50 mark, yet.
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  #47  
Old March 12th 15, 07:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 20:56:44 -0400
Paul wrote:

I have decided to go with another Seagate like the one in it,
except it will be an SSD. It's sixty five dollars, pretty cheap
for an SSD.

I think I need this ST500LM001 model, but I'm not sure.

What does it mean when the drive has encryption?

My existing drive is SATA 3Gb/s and the drive I'm looking at is SATA
6Gb/s, does it matter?

http://www.seagate.com/internal-hard...d-drive/#specs


That's a page full of SSHD drives.

Those are not SSD drives.

An SSHD consists of:

8GB flash (used as a cache, probably a read cache)
A rotating platter, just like a hard drive

The Flash operates as a cache.

So it has the same unreliability level as a regular hard drive.
With a slight (uneven) boost when reading certain files.

*******

Unless the drive includes software for controlling the encryption,
don't buy it. Buy a non-encrypted drive. Full disk encryption,
the best way is if it is integrated with the laptop BIOS, and
a BIOS prompt asks for a password.

If you want another rotating drive, of 500GB capacity, there
is one listed in the "thin" section here.

http://www.seagate.com/www-content/p...0-1-1402gb.pdf


Thanks, I now know the difference between an SSD and an SSHD.

I just sent an Email to the Dell Sales Dept., asking if it would cause
any problems if I replaced the 5400 RPM hard drive with a 7200 RPM hard
drive. I also asked if they would recommend a hard drive.

I received a reply that they got the Email, and would contact me later.







  #48  
Old March 12th 15, 08:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 3/12/2015 2:01 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 20:56:44 -0400
Paul wrote:

I have decided to go with another Seagate like the one in it,
except it will be an SSD. It's sixty five dollars, pretty cheap
for an SSD.

I think I need this ST500LM001 model, but I'm not sure.

What does it mean when the drive has encryption?

My existing drive is SATA 3Gb/s and the drive I'm looking at is SATA
6Gb/s, does it matter?

http://www.seagate.com/internal-hard...d-drive/#specs


That's a page full of SSHD drives.

Those are not SSD drives.

An SSHD consists of:

8GB flash (used as a cache, probably a read cache)
A rotating platter, just like a hard drive

The Flash operates as a cache.

So it has the same unreliability level as a regular hard drive.
With a slight (uneven) boost when reading certain files.

*******

Unless the drive includes software for controlling the encryption,
don't buy it. Buy a non-encrypted drive. Full disk encryption,
the best way is if it is integrated with the laptop BIOS, and
a BIOS prompt asks for a password.

If you want another rotating drive, of 500GB capacity, there
is one listed in the "thin" section here.

http://www.seagate.com/www-content/p...0-1-1402gb.pdf


Thanks, I now know the difference between an SSD and an SSHD.

I just sent an Email to the Dell Sales Dept., asking if it would cause
any problems if I replaced the 5400 RPM hard drive with a 7200 RPM hard
drive. I also asked if they would recommend a hard drive.

I received a reply that they got the Email, and would contact me later.


They are probably going to tell you it will void the warranty.

I'm using a 7200 RPM SSHD on a 2011 Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 64 bit
and I think it is awesome. It is much faster than my 2 year old HP
laptop running Windows 8.1 64 bit which has a better processor, and 2
more GBs of RAM (4 vs 6)

This is the one I bought after *two* Toshiba hard drives failed. One was
under warranty when it failed the other one wasn't.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148591

I paid around $100.00 for it in 2012 from Comp USA (now Tiger Direct).

No idea why Newegg is asking $157 for it.

Better price at Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Moment.../dp/B003NSBF32





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Old March 12th 15, 09:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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In message , Ron writes
Better price at Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Moment...5620AS/dp/B003
NSBF32


I think that is too big to fit.

Also, it may just have been bad luck, but I had a 500GB Seagate SSHD,
probably that model, and it died after about a week.
They did replace under warranty and the replacement has been OK, but was
labelled as "refurbished".
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  #50  
Old March 12th 15, 09:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 3/12/2015 4:11 PM, Bill wrote:
In message , Ron writes
Better price at Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Moment...5620AS/dp/B003
NSBF32


I think that is too big to fit.

Also, it may just have been bad luck, but I had a 500GB Seagate SSHD,
probably that model, and it died after about a week.
They did replace under warranty and the replacement has been OK, but was
labelled as "refurbished".


Too big? It is the same exact size as the Toshiba HDD that I replaced.
  #51  
Old March 12th 15, 10:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:06:25 -0400
Ron wrote:

I just sent an Email to the Dell Sales Dept., asking if it would
cause any problems if I replaced the 5400 RPM hard drive with a
7200 RPM hard drive. I also asked if they would recommend a hard
drive.

I received a reply that they got the Email, and would contact me
later.


They are probably going to tell you it will void the warranty.

I'm using a 7200 RPM SSHD on a 2011 Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 64
bit and I think it is awesome. It is much faster than my 2 year old
HP laptop running Windows 8.1 64 bit which has a better processor,
and 2 more GBs of RAM (4 vs 6)

This is the one I bought after *two* Toshiba hard drives failed. One
was under warranty when it failed the other one wasn't.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148591

I paid around $100.00 for it in 2012 from Comp USA (now Tiger Direct).

No idea why Newegg is asking $157 for it.

Better price at Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Moment.../dp/B003NSBF32


Thanks Ron, I'm going to wait until I hear from Dell, and it looks like
it won't be today.

I'm not worried about the warranty, I got this computer on sale just
before Christmas, and it didn't cost that much.

It's good to know there is a big improvement with an SSHD.


  #52  
Old March 12th 15, 11:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 3/12/2015 5:29 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:06:25 -0400
Ron wrote:

I just sent an Email to the Dell Sales Dept., asking if it would
cause any problems if I replaced the 5400 RPM hard drive with a
7200 RPM hard drive. I also asked if they would recommend a hard
drive.

I received a reply that they got the Email, and would contact me
later.


They are probably going to tell you it will void the warranty.

I'm using a 7200 RPM SSHD on a 2011 Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 64
bit and I think it is awesome. It is much faster than my 2 year old
HP laptop running Windows 8.1 64 bit which has a better processor,
and 2 more GBs of RAM (4 vs 6)

This is the one I bought after *two* Toshiba hard drives failed. One
was under warranty when it failed the other one wasn't.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148591

I paid around $100.00 for it in 2012 from Comp USA (now Tiger Direct).

No idea why Newegg is asking $157 for it.

Better price at Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Moment.../dp/B003NSBF32


Thanks Ron, I'm going to wait until I hear from Dell, and it looks like
it won't be today.

I'm not worried about the warranty, I got this computer on sale just
before Christmas, and it didn't cost that much.

It's good to know there is a big improvement with an SSHD.



You are welcome.
  #53  
Old March 13th 15, 12:03 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Ron wrote:
On 3/12/2015 4:11 PM, Bill wrote:
In message , Ron writes
Better price at Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Moment...5620AS/dp/B003
NSBF32


I think that is too big to fit.

Also, it may just have been bad luck, but I had a 500GB Seagate SSHD,
probably that model, and it died after about a week.
They did replace under warranty and the replacement has been OK, but was
labelled as "refurbished".


Too big? It is the same exact size as the Toshiba HDD that I replaced.


Don't forget that the OP is replacing a 7mm "slim" hard drive.

There aren't as many of those. 2.5" drives come in several
thicknesses. To hit the 7mm point, an SSD easily does that,
while it takes some finesse to make hard drives (HD or SSHD)
that thin. There are fewer SKUs to choose from, at 7mm.

Some drive bays in computers, may be larger, and use a
spacer to achieve effective packaging. No matter what you
do, make sure the drive is not able to bust off the
SATA connector, if the laptop receives a shock. Your
packaging of the drive, should properly support the
drive while it's inside the laptop.

Some SSDs come with a spacer, so they fit 7mm or 9.5mm
applications. That way, the SSD fits snugly and is
properly supported (for when you drop the laptop).

Paul
  #54  
Old March 13th 15, 12:18 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 18:50:28 -0400
Ron wrote:

On 3/12/2015 5:29 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:06:25 -0400
Ron wrote:

I just sent an Email to the Dell Sales Dept., asking if it would
cause any problems if I replaced the 5400 RPM hard drive with a
7200 RPM hard drive. I also asked if they would recommend a hard
drive.

I received a reply that they got the Email, and would contact me
later.

They are probably going to tell you it will void the warranty.

I'm using a 7200 RPM SSHD on a 2011 Toshiba laptop with Windows 7
64 bit and I think it is awesome. It is much faster than my 2 year
old HP laptop running Windows 8.1 64 bit which has a better
processor, and 2 more GBs of RAM (4 vs 6)

This is the one I bought after *two* Toshiba hard drives failed.
One was under warranty when it failed the other one wasn't.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148591

I paid around $100.00 for it in 2012 from Comp USA (now Tiger
Direct).

No idea why Newegg is asking $157 for it.

Better price at Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Moment.../dp/B003NSBF32


Thanks Ron, I'm going to wait until I hear from Dell, and it looks
like it won't be today.

I'm not worried about the warranty, I got this computer on sale just
before Christmas, and it didn't cost that much.

It's good to know there is a big improvement with an SSHD.



You are welcome.


I received a reply from Dell. It looks like I can't put a DVD drive in
this computer, but I can replace the hard drive.

Here is the reply:

HI,
Thank you for writing Dell US sales,
I would be happy to assist you.

For hard drive, yes you can change the hard drive to 7200 RPM.

And for the optical drive, you can connect external optical drive
through USB.

Here is the link for the external USB optical drive

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/prod...f=meekosystems

Thanks and regards,
T.Manmohan Singh
Sales Support Associate
Dell | US SMB Chat Sales
Office: 1-800-456-3355 ext.4162585
Email :

Customer feedback | How am I doing? Please contact my manager



That link doesn't work for me.





  #55  
Old March 13th 15, 12:48 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 23:39:07 +0000
Stormin' Norman wrote:

John, I am confused, we eliminated your speed issues why do you want
to change out your drive? Is the machine still too slow for your
needs?


No, the computer is working fine. It doesn't have a DVD drive, and I
wanted to know if I could install one. It has a blank in the place of
the DVD drive.

I was worried about heat problems, if I decided to go with a faster
hard drive, so I thought I would ask that question.
  #56  
Old March 13th 15, 01:29 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Stormin' Norman wrote on 3/12/2015 7:58 PM:

There is so little need for optical discs these days


Really? How about for troubleshooting/repair/etc.?
  #57  
Old March 13th 15, 01:35 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 15:56:14 -0000, Stormin' Norman wrote:

On Mon, 9 Mar 2015 10:13:19 -0500, Johnny wrote:


I would like to replace the hard drive in my wife's Dell laptop
computer. It has a 5400 RPM drive now, and I want to install a 7200
RPM hard drive.

I went to Seagate, Amazon and Newegg, and they don't recognize the
product number.

I'm going to have to get Windows 8.1 installed on the new drive, and
the laptop didn't come with a DVD, only a restore partition. Is there
some way I can move the existing operating system to the new hard drive?

It also doesn't have a DVD drive, only usb ports.

Also I have never worked on a laptop. Is it very difficult to replace
the hard drive, and is it easy to damage the computer while changing
the drive?



description: ATA Disk
product: ST500LT012-1DG14
vendor: Seagate
physical id:
0.0.0
bus info:

logical name:
/dev/sda
version: 0001
serial: S3P9582G
size: 465GiB (500GB)
capabilities: gpt-1.00 partitioned partitioned:gpt
configuration:
ansiversion = 5
guid = 88a640ee-cbad-4852-88d7-26494c9fdf02
sectorsize = 4096


description: CPU
product: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU N2830 @ 2.16GHz
vendor: Intel Corp.
physical id:
4
bus info:
cpu@0
version: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU N2830 @ 2.16GHz
slot: CPU 1
size: 1992MHz
capacity: 2407MHz
width: 64 bits


It is very easy to physically replace the hard drive in most modern notebooks.

You would first need to make an image of the entire disk (all partitions) with
something like Clonezilla that can be installed on a bootable USB flash drive.
You would write that image to an externally connected USB drive of the correct
size. The size of the storage drive all depends upon how much data is on the
existing drive. See:

http://clonezilla.org/

Are you making this change to increase the speed or because you need more room?

If you have plenty of free space on the existing drive and are primarily looking
to increase speed, have you considered a solid state drive? They are lighting
fast and somewhat reasonable in price. If you need more than 500GB, the SSDs
get a little pricey.

If you want a spinning, mechanical hard drive, take a look at the Western
Digital Caviar Black series with 32GB of cache. They are outstanding drives,
very fast, long warranty and very well made. See:

http://amzn.to/1MlpbCD

If you would consider a SSD drive, take a look at the Samsung EVO 850 series.
See:

http://amzn.to/1MlpCwK


Intel are supposed to make the most reliable ones. Some SSDs are really unreliable. A hard disk is the last thingy you want to fail.

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Old March 13th 15, 01:36 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 15:56:14 -0000, Stormin' Norman wrote:

On Mon, 9 Mar 2015 10:13:19 -0500, Johnny wrote:


I would like to replace the hard drive in my wife's Dell laptop
computer. It has a 5400 RPM drive now, and I want to install a 7200
RPM hard drive.

I went to Seagate, Amazon and Newegg, and they don't recognize the
product number.

I'm going to have to get Windows 8.1 installed on the new drive, and
the laptop didn't come with a DVD, only a restore partition. Is there
some way I can move the existing operating system to the new hard drive?

It also doesn't have a DVD drive, only usb ports.

Also I have never worked on a laptop. Is it very difficult to replace
the hard drive, and is it easy to damage the computer while changing
the drive?



description: ATA Disk
product: ST500LT012-1DG14
vendor: Seagate
physical id:
0.0.0
bus info:

logical name:
/dev/sda
version: 0001
serial: S3P9582G
size: 465GiB (500GB)
capabilities: gpt-1.00 partitioned partitioned:gpt
configuration:
ansiversion = 5
guid = 88a640ee-cbad-4852-88d7-26494c9fdf02
sectorsize = 4096


description: CPU
product: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU N2830 @ 2.16GHz
vendor: Intel Corp.
physical id:
4
bus info:
cpu@0
version: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU N2830 @ 2.16GHz
slot: CPU 1
size: 1992MHz
capacity: 2407MHz
width: 64 bits


It is very easy to physically replace the hard drive in most modern notebooks.

You would first need to make an image of the entire disk (all partitions) with
something like Clonezilla that can be installed on a bootable USB flash drive.
You would write that image to an externally connected USB drive of the correct
size. The size of the storage drive all depends upon how much data is on the
existing drive. See:

http://clonezilla.org/


I've done this several times for friends and myself and just cloned straight from the old disk to the new one, placing one of them in a USB caddy. I used the free software EaseUs Backup.

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Old March 13th 15, 01:39 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 3/12/2015 7:58 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 18:48:39 -0500, Johnny wrote:

On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 23:39:07 +0000
Stormin' Norman wrote:

John, I am confused, we eliminated your speed issues why do you want
to change out your drive? Is the machine still too slow for your
needs?


No, the computer is working fine. It doesn't have a DVD drive, and I
wanted to know if I could install one. It has a blank in the place of
the DVD drive.

I was worried about heat problems, if I decided to go with a faster
hard drive, so I thought I would ask that question.


There is so little need for optical discs these days


For some people. I use mine pretty often. I wouldn't buy a computer w/o
one.

  #60  
Old March 13th 15, 01:47 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 3/12/2015 7:03 PM, Paul wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 3/12/2015 4:11 PM, Bill wrote:
In message , Ron writes
Better price at Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Moment...5620AS/dp/B003

NSBF32

I think that is too big to fit.

Also, it may just have been bad luck, but I had a 500GB Seagate SSHD,
probably that model, and it died after about a week.
They did replace under warranty and the replacement has been OK, but was
labelled as "refurbished".


Too big? It is the same exact size as the Toshiba HDD that I replaced.


Don't forget that the OP is replacing a 7mm "slim" hard drive.

There aren't as many of those. 2.5" drives come in several
thicknesses. To hit the 7mm point, an SSD easily does that,
while it takes some finesse to make hard drives (HD or SSHD)
that thin. There are fewer SKUs to choose from, at 7mm.

Some drive bays in computers, may be larger, and use a
spacer to achieve effective packaging. No matter what you
do, make sure the drive is not able to bust off the
SATA connector, if the laptop receives a shock. Your
packaging of the drive, should properly support the
drive while it's inside the laptop.

Some SSDs come with a spacer, so they fit 7mm or 9.5mm
applications. That way, the SSD fits snugly and is
properly supported (for when you drop the laptop).



The newer Seagate SSHD are 7mm. They also have 6GBs of NAND instead of
4GBs like mine, but they don't make 7200RPM drives anymore. Don't know
if that would make any difference in speed or not. There are claims that
7200RPM drives use more battery power than a 5400, but I don't use my
laptop(s) on the battery enough to know.

 




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