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  #31  
Old June 2nd 15, 10:26 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
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On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 16:51:02 -0400, Paul wrote:


Going from 7 -- 10 on August 1st because "oooh shiny",
is not a reason...


I agree, but I would make a simple change to that statement:

Going from 7 -- 10 because "oooh shiny", is not a reason...

The date is really irrelevant, IMHO.


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Old June 2nd 15, 11:31 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 02 Jun 2015, Char Jackson wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

I no longer read Mayayana's posts unless someone quotes them, so
thanks for quoting it above. Very interesting read. I have to say
that he is spot on in this case, with one minor exception. I don't
see MVP's as MS shills, although I admit that it frequently looks
that way. It also looks like his position *is* pretty much valid
across the board, despite your claims to the contrary.


Not all MPVs are shills, not even many of them, but some shills are
MVPs. Some of them are here.
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Old June 2nd 15, 11:51 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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| Not all MPVs are shills, not even many of them, but some shills are
| MVPs. Some of them are here.

My view exactly. I've been a regular on many
of the MS groups for programming, OS, scripting,
etc since about 2000. There have been many
cordial and generous MVPs in those groups. There
have even been some anti-MS MVPs. But there
have also been a good number who make it their
job to talk up whatever MS is selling. *Those*
MVPs are always notable for the lack of
intellectual integrity in their arguments.


  #34  
Old June 3rd 15, 01:23 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
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On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 16:51:02 -0400, Paul wrote:

Ashton Crusher wrote:

Seems like it would be better for the average person to wait a month
or two and let the early adopter find all the problems.


*Especially* if you haven't been testing the Win10 Preview.

If you've been testing the Preview, then you know what
you're getting for the money.

Going from 7 -- 10 on August 1st because "oooh shiny",
is not a reason...


I had Win 8 for a while and went back to 7, not because of a win8
problem but because of computer changes. But while I had 8 installed,
which was for about a month, after the first few days I didn't have
any problem with Win8 and actually liked a few things about it better
then 7. I did not like the "look and feel" of it however. It's
"Windows" compared to the refined look of Win7 "windows", where clunky
and ill proportioned. Has Win10 improved aesthetically at all
compared to Win8 or do the still use those horrible blocky, no
transparency window borders with the ill fitting fonts?
  #35  
Old June 3rd 15, 02:59 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
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Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 16:51:02 -0400, Paul wrote:

Ashton Crusher wrote:

Seems like it would be better for the average person to wait a month
or two and let the early adopter find all the problems.

*Especially* if you haven't been testing the Win10 Preview.

If you've been testing the Preview, then you know what
you're getting for the money.

Going from 7 -- 10 on August 1st because "oooh shiny",
is not a reason...


I had Win 8 for a while and went back to 7, not because of a win8
problem but because of computer changes. But while I had 8 installed,
which was for about a month, after the first few days I didn't have
any problem with Win8 and actually liked a few things about it better
then 7. I did not like the "look and feel" of it however. It's
"Windows" compared to the refined look of Win7 "windows", where clunky
and ill proportioned. Has Win10 improved aesthetically at all
compared to Win8 or do the still use those horrible blocky, no
transparency window borders with the ill fitting fonts?


In the last Win10 Preview, my menu had transparency around
the border of the menu. It's possible in 10130, that
Microsoft is still experimenting with it. One screen
shot (which I can't find now), did have transparency,
while two others don't have transparency around the 10130
Windows Menu. The word Aero never seems to come up,
so I don't think they're committed to it everywhere.

My test machine isn't updated to 10130, so I haven't tested
any of it myself. I'm waiting for a slow ring update to show up.
I like to separate the download step from the install step.
If I need the test machine on short notice, I want it to be
available, and not in the middle of something. Which is why
I prefer the ISO method, if possible. I get to choose the
maintenance window.

Paul
  #36  
Old June 3rd 15, 05:47 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
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On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 21:59:15 -0400, Paul wrote:

My test machine isn't updated to 10130, so I haven't tested
any of it myself. I'm waiting for a slow ring update to show up.
I like to separate the download step from the install step.
If I need the test machine on short notice, I want it to be
available, and not in the middle of something. Which is why
I prefer the ISO method, if possible. I get to choose the
maintenance window.


I thought you were a VM kind of guy, so I'm surprised that you don't have at
least a few of the builds in VMs. Upgrade one while working in another.

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Old June 3rd 15, 05:49 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 18:31:59 -0400, Nil
wrote:

On 02 Jun 2015, Char Jackson wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

I no longer read Mayayana's posts unless someone quotes them, so
thanks for quoting it above. Very interesting read. I have to say
that he is spot on in this case, with one minor exception. I don't
see MVP's as MS shills, although I admit that it frequently looks
that way. It also looks like his position *is* pretty much valid
across the board, despite your claims to the contrary.


Not all MPVs are shills, not even many of them, but some shills are
MVPs. Some of them are here.


Nicely said. :-)

  #38  
Old June 3rd 15, 07:41 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Char Jackson wrote:

I no longer read Mayayana's posts unless someone quotes them, so thanks for
quoting it above. Very interesting read. I have to say that he is spot on in
this case, with one minor exception. I don't see MVP's as MS shills,
although I admit that it frequently looks that way. It also looks like his
position *is* pretty much valid across the board, despite your claims to the
contrary.



My replies are based on the purpose of the 'Get Windows 10' app deployed
via KB 3035583.

In case you haven't realized - installing or not installing the app has
significance regardless of how it is interpreted as value-added,
non-value added, marketing-ware, junk-ware, etc.

1. The app includes the replacement for the Upgrade Assistant (i.e. it
replaces earlier versions).
2. The only route to obtain a readiness for an existing system (device
and applications) is to install the app **and** Reserve Windows 10
3.The app provides the option to 'Cancel' any reservation
4. The app can easily be removed by uninstalling the KB via Programs and
Features/View Installed Updates
5. Windows 7 OEM and Full version media *and* OEM Pre-built units will
disappear from the marketplace(look for that to happen shortly or
immediately after July 29, 2015) - Home is already gone, Pro will soon
follow.

There is nothing wrong with continued use of Win7 on an existing system,
yet it makes sense to install the app and reserve Win10 and perform a
readiness status (no matter what one decides to do in the next year).

Other reasons.
a. Imo, it's bad advice to listen to the proponents suggesting to not
install KB 3035583 and not be able to perform that readiness check
before making any decision on taking advantage of the free upgrade offer
for Win7SP1/8.1.
b. There are just too many people running OEM Windows 7 (on
capable-ready-for-Window 10) systems without media (no media, never
created restore disks, followed advice to remove the OEM recovery
partition to gain storage space, don't image o/s, etc.). Upgrading to
Windows 10 provides these folks an ability to obtain a retail Windows 10
license and in the future the ability to obtain media (free or a very
low nominal cost) for that Win10 license.
c. One year goes by fast and the sooner the better to determine the path
to follow - stay with Win7, Win10 for free or a much higher penalty at a
later time.


Separately, two updates were released yesterday (1st Tuesday)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2952664
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3050265

It would be wise to install the latter (an update to the Windows Update
engine).

What will I do on my two primary systems recognizing that not everyone
is as fortunate or in a similar position.
A. Win7 Sp1 - not upgrade even though it surpasses all Win10
requirements and reports zero (0) issues for devices and apps. This
i7-4470, Asus Z87, UEFI, 1TB/2TB Sata 6, 16GB Ram unit is only two years
old, but I will take advantage of upgrading from the UEFI F8 bootable
Win10 Preview on the 2TB drive (either free or clean install when media
is available)
B. Windows 8.1 Update - will upgrade to 10 on the i3-EFI-1TB Sata3-8GB
Ram laptop with zero, 0, readiness issues for devices and app - a no
brainer (4 yr old unit was originally Win7Sp1 Home, upgraded $40 to
Win8.0 Pro, then free to 8.1 Update, free again to 10. If I get 2 more
years out of Win10 for my original laptop price of $359...that's $399
money well spent regardless if it dies or is restored to factory for
donation.

This was never about being an MVP - it's all about providing information
to make a value-added decision.

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Old June 3rd 15, 10:56 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
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Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 21:59:15 -0400, Paul wrote:

My test machine isn't updated to 10130, so I haven't tested
any of it myself. I'm waiting for a slow ring update to show up.
I like to separate the download step from the install step.
If I need the test machine on short notice, I want it to be
available, and not in the middle of something. Which is why
I prefer the ISO method, if possible. I get to choose the
maintenance window.


I thought you were a VM kind of guy, so I'm surprised that you don't have at
least a few of the builds in VMs. Upgrade one while working in another.


I've been running Win10 Preview on real hardware
rather than a VM.

Paul
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Old June 3rd 15, 02:41 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
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On 2015-06-03 9:13 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-06-03 5:56 AM, Paul wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 21:59:15 -0400, Paul wrote:

My test machine isn't updated to 10130, so I haven't tested
any of it myself. I'm waiting for a slow ring update to show up.
I like to separate the download step from the install step.
If I need the test machine on short notice, I want it to be
available, and not in the middle of something. Which is why
I prefer the ISO method, if possible. I get to choose the
maintenance window.

I thought you were a VM kind of guy, so I'm surprised that you don't
have at
least a few of the builds in VMs. Upgrade one while working in another.


I've been running Win10 Preview on real hardware
rather than a VM.

Paul


Opinions, please. I'm contemplating "getting Windows 10" per tray icon.


Tell yourself that no matter whether Windows 10 ends up being the
greatest OS in history or just another one, it'll always be better than
Linux.

I would take advantage of their offer and upgrade.


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Old June 3rd 15, 02:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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| 2. The only route to obtain a readiness for an existing system (device
| and applications) is to install the app **and** Reserve Windows 10
| 3.The app provides the option to 'Cancel' any reservation
| 4. The app can easily be removed by uninstalling the KB via Programs and
| Features/View Installed Updates

So the sleazy adware is required if one wants to
get Win10, but it *can* be removed if one so desires.
Are those supposed to be selling points for sleazy
adware, *or* for Win10?!

| This was never about being an MVP - it's all about providing information
| to make a value-added decision.
|

If you could only hear yourself.... A "value-added"
decision? That's pure MS marketing gobbledygook. You'd
be a lot more convincing if you put it in your own words:

"I look forward to Windows 10 because I love the idea
that Microsoft can host my whole life online while I
play with trinket apps. I'm so tired of high-functioning
computers with attractive graphics. I just can't wait
to be fully immersed in the land of the boring, monotone,
spyware mega-buttons that lead me to games and
weather reports and interesting advertisements for
things I truly want to buy. And I felt this way even before
the Microsoft people told me to say it. Honest."

If you put it that way I'd be inclined to give you the
benefit of the doubt because it would at least sound
like you'd actually thought about it.... even if it still
sounded like you might not be "firing on all cylinders".


  #42  
Old June 3rd 15, 03:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 02:41:07 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

I no longer read Mayayana's posts unless someone quotes them, so thanks for
quoting it above. Very interesting read. I have to say that he is spot on in
this case, with one minor exception. I don't see MVP's as MS shills,
although I admit that it frequently looks that way. It also looks like his
position *is* pretty much valid across the board, despite your claims to the
contrary.



My replies are based on the purpose of the 'Get Windows 10' app deployed
via KB 3035583.

In case you haven't realized - installing or not installing the app has
significance regardless of how it is interpreted as value-added,
non-value added, marketing-ware, junk-ware, etc.

1. The app includes the replacement for the Upgrade Assistant (i.e. it
replaces earlier versions).
2. The only route to obtain a readiness for an existing system (device
and applications) is to install the app **and** Reserve Windows 10
3.The app provides the option to 'Cancel' any reservation
4. The app can easily be removed by uninstalling the KB via Programs and
Features/View Installed Updates
5. Windows 7 OEM and Full version media *and* OEM Pre-built units will
disappear from the marketplace(look for that to happen shortly or
immediately after July 29, 2015) - Home is already gone, Pro will soon
follow.


So far, I see no significant value in the things you've listed above.


There is nothing wrong with continued use of Win7 on an existing system,
yet it makes sense to install the app and reserve Win10 and perform a
readiness status (no matter what one decides to do in the next year).


Thanks, that's a refreshing evolution of your previous position that Win 7
is a short term solution. ;-)

As for making sense to install the app, it only makes sense for people who
are still on the fence regarding Win 10. Besides, for a digital product that
will initially be delivered via the Internet, the concept of "reserving"
anything doesn't make sense.


Other reasons.
a. Imo, it's bad advice to listen to the proponents suggesting to not
install KB 3035583 and not be able to perform that readiness check
before making any decision on taking advantage of the free upgrade offer
for Win7SP1/8.1.


Fair enough, but I thought we were talking about people who have already
decided.


b. There are just too many people running OEM Windows 7 (on
capable-ready-for-Window 10) systems without media (no media, never
created restore disks, followed advice to remove the OEM recovery
partition to gain storage space, don't image o/s, etc.). Upgrading to
Windows 10 provides these folks an ability to obtain a retail Windows 10
license and in the future the ability to obtain media (free or a very
low nominal cost) for that Win10 license.


Realistically speaking, I don't see how upgrading to a new OS version helps
here. The people who are currently working without a safety net will be the
very same people working without a safety net after the upgrade. Which
aspect of human nature are you relying on when you suggest that people who
upgrade will somehow change their behavior?


c. One year goes by fast and the sooner the better to determine the path
to follow - stay with Win7, Win10 for free or a much higher penalty at a
later time.


For me, the decision was rather obvious and easy. Win 8.x was a big step
backwards from Win 7, which itself was a small step backwards from XP, for
the way I use the OS. I've checked out a couple of Win 10 TP's and I don't
see any effort toward reversing the previous damage. By the way, you left
out the option to stay with 8.x, above.


What will I do on my two primary systems recognizing that not everyone
is as fortunate or in a similar position.
A. Win7 Sp1 - not upgrade even though it surpasses all Win10
requirements and reports zero (0) issues for devices and apps. This
i7-4470, Asus Z87, UEFI, 1TB/2TB Sata 6, 16GB Ram unit is only two years
old, but I will take advantage of upgrading from the UEFI F8 bootable
Win10 Preview on the 2TB drive (either free or clean install when media
is available)


"not upgrade" or "will take advantage of upgrading"?


B. Windows 8.1 Update - will upgrade to 10 on the i3-EFI-1TB Sata3-8GB
Ram laptop with zero, 0, readiness issues for devices and app - a no
brainer (4 yr old unit was originally Win7Sp1 Home, upgraded $40 to
Win8.0 Pro, then free to 8.1 Update, free again to 10. If I get 2 more
years out of Win10 for my original laptop price of $359...that's $399
money well spent regardless if it dies or is restored to factory for
donation.


The question of whether to upgrade an existing OS should rarely be a no
brainer. In your case, you obviously see a significant benefit to upgrading,
hence your comment about it being a no brainer. I currently fail to see such
a benefit, so my decision went the other way.


This was never about being an MVP - it's all about providing information
to make a value-added decision.


I honestly can't tell most of the time. Your logic is frequently seriously
flawed, especially on this topic, so I'm keeping you at a distance on this
one. :-)

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Old June 3rd 15, 03:58 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
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Slimer wrote:

Tell yourself that no matter whether Windows 10 ends up being the
greatest OS in history or just another one, it'll always be better than
Linux.


Since you yourself can't make Linux work while millions of others have no
problem at all, that's just your opinion. Nothing more.

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Old June 3rd 15, 04:02 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
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En el artículo , Wolf K
escribió:

Opinions, please.


The free upgrade offer is just to soften up the market. After the
sheeple have stampeded to take the freebie during the first year and M$
have a large installed base, the charges will begin to come in. They're
moving to the 'software as a service' rental model, first with Office
365. Windows 10 will be the next step.

Like Apple's iCloud, you'll get a trivial amount of cloud storage free
but any more will cost $$$.

Win10 mandates the use of a Microsoft account and their cloud. Data
saved from applications will default to being saved in the cloud rather
than on local storage.

You will not be able to use Win10 without an internet connection and M$
will collect as much information as they possibly can about you and what
you do. This information will be sold to marketers. You will have to
agree to sign up to this data collection in the licence agreement.

The existing betas are no where near the quality of a release candidate.
This means that on 29 July, when Win10 is released, the sheeple will be
alpha-testing M$'s code for them and suffering the bugs.

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Old June 3rd 15, 06:10 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
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On 2015-06-03 10:58 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Slimer wrote:

Tell yourself that no matter whether Windows 10 ends up being the
greatest OS in history or just another one, it'll always be better than
Linux.


Since you yourself can't make Linux work while millions of others have no
problem at all, that's just your opinion. Nothing more.


I laugh as you say that, knowing that the Linux installs of one of my
co-workers both failed miserably on her today, about 30 minutes ago. Use
your denial superpowers and keep telling yourself that Linux is useful.

--
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Encrypt.

- "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest
FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the
reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4."
- "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?"

(Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately
defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel
4.0.x)
 




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