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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?



 
 
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  #46  
Old June 3rd 15, 07:02 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
Ken Blake, MVP[_4_]
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 14:58:32 +0000 (UTC), "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
wrote:

Slimer wrote:

Tell yourself that no matter whether Windows 10 ends up being the
greatest OS in history or just another one, it'll always be better than
Linux.


Since you yourself can't make Linux work while millions of others have no
problem at all, that's just your opinion. Nothing more.



I'm not a Linux fan at all, but I completely agree with you. I don't
use Linux and I don't use anything made by Apple, but that doesn't
mean I make fun of them the way he does.

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  #47  
Old June 3rd 15, 08:46 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-06-03 5:56 AM, Paul wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 21:59:15 -0400, Paul wrote:

My test machine isn't updated to 10130, so I haven't tested
any of it myself. I'm waiting for a slow ring update to show up.
I like to separate the download step from the install step.
If I need the test machine on short notice, I want it to be
available, and not in the middle of something. Which is why
I prefer the ISO method, if possible. I get to choose the
maintenance window.

I thought you were a VM kind of guy, so I'm surprised that you don't
have at
least a few of the builds in VMs. Upgrade one while working in another.


I've been running Win10 Preview on real hardware
rather than a VM.

Paul


Opinions, please. I'm contemplating "getting Windows 10" per tray icon.


Wait.

If you want to "see Win10 in all its glory", slap
a hard drive in your test machine, and install
Win10 Preview. I use a separate disk, so it cannot
hurt anything.

If you don't want to use the Preview (because of
potential rough edges), wait two months after
RTM delivery date, and then see what the considered
opinion from people who took the plunge was.

I expect what would happen to me, is I'd get the
Microsoft Account step, it wouldn't let me move
forward, and I'd be very angry. We just don't
know at this point, how RTM will behave. And the
Preview behavior, is not a guarantee of RTM
behavior.

Without a Microsoft Account, there's hardly a reason to
get it. You must drink the Koolaid, to get the
(perceived) value from it. Cloud computing. Cortana.
Maybe even a Hololens someday (if you can afford it).
All silly stuff you'll get bored with after
five minutes.

Paul

  #48  
Old June 3rd 15, 10:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Mike Tomlinson wrote:


Win10 mandates the use of a Microsoft account and their cloud. Data
saved from applications will default to being saved in the cloud rather
than on local storage.


Mandate, no. Optional, yes but only and optional for specific apps.

Existing application software storage locations won't automatically
default to the cloud (the code isn't present nor will Win10 override)

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  #49  
Old June 3rd 15, 10:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Mayayana wrote:
| 2. The only route to obtain a readiness for an existing system (device
| and applications) is to install the app **and** Reserve Windows 10
| 3.The app provides the option to 'Cancel' any reservation
| 4. The app can easily be removed by uninstalling the KB via Programs and
| Features/View Installed Updates

So the sleazy adware is required if one wants to
get Win10, but it *can* be removed if one so desires.
Are those supposed to be selling points for sleazy
adware, *or* for Win10?!



If one wishes to run a status check on a systems Win10's readiness,
install the Get Windows 10 app and reserve.
- No other route is in place to allow users to make an informed
decision (now or in the future - it is include in the app).

If you wish to tell people to not install the 'Get Windows 10 app' it
and not have the option to determine system readiness regardless of
whether they decide to move to Win10 for free or remain with the
existing operating system and update at an increased cost later...feel
free to provide that advice.

Imo, your not doing anyone any favors. As noted before, for those who
wish to move to Win10, your advice is useless.





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  #50  
Old June 3rd 15, 10:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
Jonas Klein
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Am 03.06.2015 um 23:09 schrieb . . .winston:
Mayayana wrote:
| 2. The only route to obtain a readiness for an existing
system (device
| and applications) is to install the app **and** Reserve
Windows 10
| 3.The app provides the option to 'Cancel' any reservation
| 4. The app can easily be removed by uninstalling the KB
via Programs and
| Features/View Installed Updates

So the sleazy adware is required if one wants to
get Win10, but it *can* be removed if one so desires.
Are those supposed to be selling points for sleazy
adware, *or* for Win10?!



If one wishes to run a status check on a systems Win10's
readiness, install the Get Windows 10 app and reserve.
- No other route is in place to allow users to make an
informed decision (now or in the future - it is include in
the app).

If you wish to tell people to not install the 'Get Windows
10 app' it and not have the option to determine system
readiness regardless of whether they decide to move to Win10
for free or remain with the existing operating system and
update at an increased cost later...feel free to provide
that advice.

Imo, your not doing anyone any favors. As noted before, for
those who wish to move to Win10, your advice is useless.



Quite right. But ...
What about people who are not sure if the advantages of
moving to Win10 are really bigger than the problems if they
move?
  #51  
Old June 3rd 15, 10:23 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
Jonas Klein
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Am 03.06.2015 um 23:03 schrieb . . .winston:
Mike Tomlinson wrote:


Win10 mandates the use of a Microsoft account and their
cloud. Data
saved from applications will default to being saved in the
cloud rather
than on local storage.


Mandate, no. Optional, yes but only and optional for
specific apps.

Existing application software storage locations won't
automatically default to the cloud (the code isn't present
nor will Win10 override)



Fine. Can you show me a proof of this statement?
I have NDAs with several customers. If you're wrong, Win10
does default to the cloud and I don't notice it immediately
or can't find a way out of the cloud, may I sue you?
  #52  
Old June 3rd 15, 11:17 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
Mike Tomlinson
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

En el artículo , . . .winston
escribió:

Mandate, no. Optional, yes but only and optional for specific apps.


True. But M$ will be pushing the Windows Store very hard, as this is
where the profit lies (cf. Apple and the Apple Store, Android and the
Play Store).

Windows Store app developers will be very strongly encouraged to default
to the cloud for data storage.

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  #53  
Old June 4th 15, 12:35 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Jonas Klein wrote:
Am 03.06.2015 um 23:03 schrieb . . .winston:
Mike Tomlinson wrote:


Win10 mandates the use of a Microsoft account and their
cloud. Data
saved from applications will default to being saved in the
cloud rather
than on local storage.


Mandate, no. Optional, yes but only and optional for
specific apps.

Existing application software storage locations won't
automatically default to the cloud (the code isn't present
nor will Win10 override)



Fine. Can you show me a proof of this statement?
I have NDAs with several customers. If you're wrong, Win10 does default
to the cloud and I don't notice it immediately or can't find a way out
of the cloud, may I sue you?


You really want to attempt to sue a lawyer with bench experience as a
judge ?

What might be more appropriate before you worry about your own backside
is what you think or expect to default to the cloud in Windows 10.
Provide details then maybe your customers will have a chance of being
supported properly.


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  #54  
Old June 4th 15, 12:36 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , . . .winston
escribió:

Mandate, no. Optional, yes but only and optional for specific apps.


True. But M$ will be pushing the Windows Store very hard, as this is
where the profit lies (cf. Apple and the Apple Store, Android and the
Play Store).

Windows Store app developers will be very strongly encouraged to default
to the cloud for data storage.


The Store is not an archiving location for saving locally created files
to one's machine or the cloud.



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  #55  
Old June 4th 15, 01:04 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
Mike Tomlinson
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En el artículo , . . .winston
escribió:

Windows Store app developers will be very strongly encouraged to default
to the cloud for data storage.


The Store is not an archiving location for saving locally created files
to one's machine or the cloud.


Are you being deliberately dense?

People developing apps for the Store will be "encouraged" to write their
apps such that those apps store the data they generate in the cloud by
default, rather than locally.

Does that make more sense?

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  #56  
Old June 4th 15, 01:34 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Jonas Klein wrote:
Am 03.06.2015 um 23:09 schrieb . . .winston:
Mayayana wrote:
| 2. The only route to obtain a readiness for an existing
system (device
| and applications) is to install the app **and** Reserve
Windows 10
| 3.The app provides the option to 'Cancel' any reservation
| 4. The app can easily be removed by uninstalling the KB
via Programs and
| Features/View Installed Updates

So the sleazy adware is required if one wants to
get Win10, but it *can* be removed if one so desires.
Are those supposed to be selling points for sleazy
adware, *or* for Win10?!



If one wishes to run a status check on a systems Win10's
readiness, install the Get Windows 10 app and reserve.
- No other route is in place to allow users to make an
informed decision (now or in the future - it is include in
the app).

If you wish to tell people to not install the 'Get Windows
10 app' it and not have the option to determine system
readiness regardless of whether they decide to move to Win10
for free or remain with the existing operating system and
update at an increased cost later...feel free to provide
that advice.

Imo, your not doing anyone any favors. As noted before, for
those who wish to move to Win10, your advice is useless.



Quite right. But ...
What about people who are not sure if the advantages of moving to Win10
are really bigger than the problems if they move?


A good reason (if using Win7SP1 or Win8.1) to install KB 3035583,
Reserve Win10 which will run a system readiness check. Once they have
that information available, they can then, and only then make a better
informed decision...i.e. folks have to ensure their existing system
doesn't create issues (software, driver, graphic, network adapter etc.
issues) before even considering or pondering what possible advantages or
disadvantages Win10 brings to the table.

Imo, one should take a methodical approach to upgrading any o/s - have a
backup plan for the existing, understand if the system current hardware
and software set will or will not create issues, then and only then
deal/learn what Win10 does or does not bring to the table.

For many Win7Sp1 and Win8.1 users the transition will be seamless, for
others (especially those on old XP era hardware upgraded to Win7) it
will not. And don't rely on this group as the only source of
information (the population opinions in newsgroups including here, while
informative, is not the only source of knowledge and in many cases
skewed toward user's own preferences based or real or perceived
information).

Everyone on Win7 and Win8.1 has a year to decide if upgrading to Win10
is in their best interest. One thing is certain in my mind, if
shopping for a new system and desiring Windows 7 (Win7 Pro is all that
is available), it would be wise to do that soon - MSFT will not hesitate
to require the OEM pre-built PC companies under contract to discontinue
selling pre-built systems with Windows 7 once Win10 goes RTM. Likewise,
for the home builder the supply of stand-alone OEM full version software
will also disappear - that pipeline will dry up fast - can't sell what
can't be ordered.







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  #57  
Old June 4th 15, 01:57 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , . . .winston
escribió:

Windows Store app developers will be very strongly encouraged to default
to the cloud for data storage.


The Store is not an archiving location for saving locally created files
to one's machine or the cloud.


Are you being deliberately dense?

People developing apps for the Store will be "encouraged" to write their
apps such that those apps store the data they generate in the cloud by
default, rather than locally.

Does that make more sense?

That makes a little more sense, but this (what you wrote) did not
"Win10 mandates the use of a Microsoft account and their cloud. Data
saved from applications will default to being saved in the cloud rather
than on local storage."

Additionally, not all apps written or developed can have direct access
by default to a user's cloud storage (i.e. Account and/or OneDrive).

Some apps may store data on the app makers 'cloud' - not necessarily
MSFT or the User personal storage allotment.


MSFT does need to make the Store a more profitable ecosystem...that,
imo, is not going to happen until Windows 7 disappears in 2020.



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  #58  
Old June 4th 15, 03:17 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
Mayayana
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| One thing is certain in my mind, if
| shopping for a new system and desiring Windows 7 (Win7 Pro is all that
| is available), it would be wise to do that soon - MSFT will not hesitate
| to require the OEM pre-built PC companies under contract to discontinue
| selling pre-built systems with Windows 7 once Win10 goes RTM. Likewise,
| for the home builder the supply of stand-alone OEM full version software
| will also disappear - that pipeline will dry up fast - can't sell what
| can't be ordered.
|

It might be better if you state facts rather than the
half-baked FUD that's "certain in your mind". Here's Win7
Home for sale:

http://www.buycheapsoftware.com/ms_p...tegory~186.asp

OEM supply will dry up fast? Here's XP:

http://www.buycheapsoftware.com/ms_p...tegory~231.asp

That was the first place I looked.

Microsoft sells millions of licenses up front to OEMs
so that they can claim Windows is selling like hotcakes.
It's very unlikely that MS is going to tell the likes of
Dell that they can't sell off their stock. Though I suppose
if Win10 fails badly enough they might buy back those disks.

Some people may want Win10. Hopefully they know what
they're getting into. I'm guessing the free upgrade deal is
going to be extended, anyway. MS want people converted
to a services device where they can be pummelled with
targetted ads and sold various apps. While that business
model is likely to fail, as it has with Windows phones and
Metro, Microsoft is clearly going all out to make it happen.
Offering a free upgrade to a new OS is unprecedented.
Likely they either foresee a great deal of resistance
and/or hope to more than make up the difference in
services once people are using Win10. Either way, it won't
make much sense to stop the free upgrades.

In the meantime, Winston, I'd like to give you first
dibs on a bridge I'm selling. You won't want to pass up this
deal because I'll only be offering it for sale for a limited
time. After that the price may go up. You can't afford not
to buy this bridge, simply because I won't be selling any
other bridge once I start selling this bridge!

OK.... Got your credit card on hand?.... Whenever
you're ready....


  #59  
Old June 4th 15, 03:49 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 02:41:07 -0400, ". . .winston"

My replies are based on the purpose of the 'Get Windows 10' app deployed
via KB 3035583.

In case you haven't realized - installing or not installing the app has
significance regardless of how it is interpreted as value-added,
non-value added, marketing-ware, junk-ware, etc.

1. The app includes the replacement for the Upgrade Assistant (i.e. it
replaces earlier versions).
2. The only route to obtain a readiness for an existing system (device
and applications) is to install the app **and** Reserve Windows 10
3.The app provides the option to 'Cancel' any reservation
4. The app can easily be removed by uninstalling the KB via Programs and
Features/View Installed Updates
5. Windows 7 OEM and Full version media *and* OEM Pre-built units will
disappear from the marketplace(look for that to happen shortly or
immediately after July 29, 2015) - Home is already gone, Pro will soon
follow.


So far, I see no significant value in the things you've listed above.


There is no other route for folks who wish to move from Win7/8.1 to run
a system readiness check. If you see no value, how would you counsel
those people who do wish to move to Win10 when device and application
issues may be present ? Do nothing and cry later ?




There is nothing wrong with continued use of Win7 on an existing system,
yet it makes sense to install the app and reserve Win10 and perform a
readiness status (no matter what one decides to do in the next year).


Thanks, that's a refreshing evolution of your previous position that Win 7
is a short term solution. ;-)


For that population of Vista and XP users Win7 is a short term solution.
You don't really believe that MSFT is going to allow the entire OEM
market to continue to sell more than two versions (8.1 and 10)of Windows
on pre-built machines. Home is already gone, Pro will follow.

For those on Win7 without media two options are available assuming they
have a valid product key (sticker, certificate, onboard) and activate
license
- Obtain the Win7 Media Creation tool (and hope it works for them g)
- Upgrade to Win10 for free within the one year introductory period or
later later at higher cost (either route provides a Win10 retail product
key/license and the ability to obtain media for a clean reinstallation).
Gabe Aul from MSFT made this formally publicly just recently
https://twitter.com/GabeAul/status/605987336392810496
"Once you upgrade W10 w/ the free upgrade offer you will able to clean
reinstall Windows 10 on same device any time"
and also stated/clarified
"Once you've upgraded to 10 on the machine the license will allow you to
reinstall at no cost."



As for making sense to install the app, it only makes sense for people who
are still on the fence regarding Win 10. Besides, for a digital product that
will initially be delivered via the Internet, the concept of "reserving"
anything doesn't make sense.


The 'reserving' issue is certainly a blow to how things use to be done
and tampering with previous expectations (a downloadable Upgrade
Assistant), but as noted above it is the only route to perform an
existing system readiness check for devices and applications. I'd
rather people have all the information available regardless of where
they sit (want Win10, want it for free but wait till the dust settles,
unsure [on the fence?], or willing to pay later) to make an informed
decision.



Other reasons.
a. Imo, it's bad advice to listen to the proponents suggesting to not
install KB 3035583 and not be able to perform that readiness check
before making any decision on taking advantage of the free upgrade offer
for Win7SP1/8.1.


Fair enough, but I thought we were talking about people who have already
decided.


If you reread my posts on 6/1, I said (shown below in with the qp
bracketing
qp
Reserving via the Get Windows 10 app places the user in a queue for
downloading.

KB 3035583 for me tagged as an optional update - requiring the user to
check the box.

After thinking about, I'm leaning toward it making sense for larger
population. With an impact of about 1 billion devices...if some folks
listened to others around here, that advice to ignore the Get Windows
app installed with 3035583 and upgrading may ultimately fill MSFT's
pocketbook with million$ after July 29, 2016 for Win10 and at the
expense of those same users.
/qp

- the focus was always central to KB3035583, each and every reply
thereafter was based on that KB since it provides the only route for a
system readiness check.
- Maybe it would help if you (or all of us) followed your own advice
and disregarded Mayayana's seek and destroy digressive approach g




b. There are just too many people running OEM Windows 7 (on
capable-ready-for-Window 10) systems without media (no media, never
created restore disks, followed advice to remove the OEM recovery
partition to gain storage space, don't image o/s, etc.). Upgrading to
Windows 10 provides these folks an ability to obtain a retail Windows 10
license and in the future the ability to obtain media (free or a very
low nominal cost) for that Win10 license.


Realistically speaking, I don't see how upgrading to a new OS version helps
here. The people who are currently working without a safety net will be the
very same people working without a safety net after the upgrade. Which
aspect of human nature are you relying on when you suggest that people who
upgrade will somehow change their behavior?


Ah...the difference was already noted - Win10 will provide a retail
license with the ability to obtain both media and retail product key for
installation at no cost.

What position would you rather be in (no media, never created restore
disks, followed some boon-heads advice to wipe the recovery partition,
etc.) or the ability to obviate the need to move from a prior o/s to a
later. The routes necessary for the past were clearly confusing and
complex (install older o/s, upgrade this, then that...if needed to do
again later, repeat the process)



c. One year goes by fast and the sooner the better to determine the path
to follow - stay with Win7, Win10 for free or a much higher penalty at a
later time.


For me, the decision was rather obvious and easy. Win 8.x was a big step
backwards from Win 7, which itself was a small step backwards from XP, for
the way I use the OS. I've checked out a couple of Win 10 TP's and I don't
see any effort toward reversing the previous damage. By the way, you left
out the option to stay with 8.x, above.


That's a valid point - stay with 8.x (8.1 more specifically, one can't
really stay with 8.0, it stops being supported in Jan 2016). If folks
like 8.1 (there are some pieces that warrant keeping 8.1, one that comes
to immediate mind is Media Center which won't be available in Win10).
Even with 8.1 it still makes sense to at least perform that readiness
check, though remaining on 8.1 should at the minimum use the Media
Creation tool to create the free installation media - just have to be
careful on how the media is used for reinstalls - run from within, no
product key; clean install - product key required but only 8.0 or 8.1
but not 7 even if upgraded from 7 to 8.0 then 8.1...move to 10
eliminates that step o/s approach from 7 to 8.1.



What will I do on my two primary systems recognizing that not everyone
is as fortunate or in a similar position.
A. Win7 Sp1 - not upgrade even though it surpasses all Win10
requirements and reports zero (0) issues for devices and apps. This
i7-4470, Asus Z87, UEFI, 1TB/2TB Sata 6, 16GB Ram unit is only two years
old, but I will take advantage of upgrading from the UEFI F8 bootable
Win10 Preview on the 2TB drive (either free or clean install when media
is available)


"not upgrade" or "will take advantage of upgrading"?


For your comments on A and B
- Win7 and Win10TP are on separate bootable drives (but not dual boot,
boot is by selection from the UEFI Bios option to boot the selected
drive)...thus Win7SP1 remains as is and W10TP is upgraded to Win10RTM.

B. Windows 8.1 Update - will upgrade to 10 on the i3-EFI-1TB Sata3-8GB
Ram laptop with zero, 0, readiness issues for devices and app - a no
brainer (4 yr old unit was originally Win7Sp1 Home, upgraded $40 to
Win8.0 Pro, then free to 8.1 Update, free again to 10. If I get 2 more
years out of Win10 for my original laptop price of $359...that's $399
money well spent regardless if it dies or is restored to factory for
donation.


The question of whether to upgrade an existing OS should rarely be a no
brainer. In your case, you obviously see a significant benefit to upgrading,
hence your comment about it being a no brainer. I currently fail to see such
a benefit, so my decision went the other way.


I don't really see any benefit to keep 8.1 once 10 arrives on a 4 yr old
machine capable of 8.1. That 8.1 was 8.0 at one time. If MSFT is
willing to give me a free 10 license and the ability to reinstall via
media at no cost for the life of that device - it makes sense especially
since 10 and 8.1 won't be that much different for my usage pattern and
needs on that i3 laptop- from what I know now and what I know but can't
state at this time.


This was never about being an MVP - it's all about providing information
to make a value-added decision.


I honestly can't tell most of the time. Your logic is frequently seriously
flawed, especially on this topic, so I'm keeping you at a distance on this
one. :-)


Feel free to do whatever you wish...but I suspect in time, you'll be
eventually be running Win10 or Win 10.x+1....and maybe before the free
year runs up, if later then at some increased cost (hardware and
possibly software).





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  #60  
Old June 4th 15, 04:31 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Mayayana wrote:

Microsoft sells millions of licenses up front to OEMs
so that they can claim Windows is selling like hotcakes.
It's very unlikely that MS is going to tell the likes of
Dell that they can't sell off their stock. Though I suppose
if Win10 fails badly enough they might buy back those disks.


Bet on that exactly happening. Look for the major retailers to start
unloading Win7 at pricing discounted. Win7 will disappear from those
retailers pre-built machines.
Distribution from MSFT product pipeline for OEM versions has already
started...likewise that inventory will diminish and rapidly once 10 hits
RTM.



Some people may want Win10. Hopefully they know what
they're getting into. I'm guessing the free upgrade deal is
going to be extended, anyway. MS want people converted
to a services device where they can be pummelled with
targetted ads and sold various apps. While that business
model is likely to fail, as it has with Windows phones and
Metro, Microsoft is clearly going all out to make it happen.
Offering a free upgrade to a new OS is unprecedented.
Likely they either foresee a great deal of resistance
and/or hope to more than make up the difference in
services once people are using Win10. Either way, it won't
make much sense to stop the free upgrades.


Doubtful, Win 8.0 Pro's intro offer for $40 lasted for a few months.
MSFT learned a lesson on that -should have been extended longer. W10
offer will expire on time. Why ? The OEM's who sell Win10 on pre-built
units have the largest consumer and SMB voice in the market to protect
their own OEM sales/revenue interest. A year is more than enough to
replace XP and Vista units with new, some Win7 with new etc, and reduce
the need for OEM's to technically provide support for Win7 (no OEM
pre-built sales, no new support needed)



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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps
 




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