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  #61  
Old June 4th 15, 04:46 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-06-03 8:04 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , . . .winston
escribió:

Windows Store app developers will be very strongly encouraged to
default
to the cloud for data storage.


The Store is not an archiving location for saving locally created files
to one's machine or the cloud.


Are you being deliberately dense?

People developing apps for the Store will be "encouraged" to write their
apps such that those apps store the data they generate in the cloud by
default, rather than locally.

Does that make more sense?


I won't use an app that doesn't have a local storage option.

I'd be interested to know what non MSFT apps folks have and use that
save data on the app providers cloud without informing the user of that
intent.


--
...winston
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  #62  
Old June 4th 15, 09:16 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
Jonas Klein
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

Am 04.06.2015 um 01:35 schrieb . . .winston:
Jonas Klein wrote:
Am 03.06.2015 um 23:03 schrieb . . .winston:


Existing application software storage locations won't
automatically default to the cloud (the code isn't present
nor will Win10 override)



Fine. Can you show me a proof of this statement?
I have NDAs with several customers. If you're wrong, Win10
does default
to the cloud and I don't notice it immediately or can't
find a way out
of the cloud, may I sue you?


You really want to attempt to sue a lawyer with bench
experience as a judge ?



I was not quite serious. ;-)
Even if my mistakes in English are not enough, my *.de
address should tell you that I'm living in Germany, while
your sending times show that you are posting from a location
4 time zones behind GMT, i.e. probably somewhere in the US
or Canada. East Coast?


What might be more appropriate before you worry about your
own backside is what you think or expect to default to the
cloud in Windows 10.
Provide details then maybe your customers will have a chance
of being supported properly.


In the long run I'll have to use MS Office 2016, MS Office
2020 or whatever it will be called. What I read so far
scares me. For instance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_2016 and
especially
"Features include: built-in cloud access to create, open,
edit, and save files in the cloud straight from the desktop,
...."
  #63  
Old June 4th 15, 01:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
Werner Obermeier
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in
:

I'm not a Linux fan at all, but I completely agree with you. I don't
use Linux and I don't use anything made by Apple, but that doesn't
mean I make fun of them the way he does.


When I bought a non-touch-screen laptop with Windows 8.1, after using
Windows 95/2000/XP/7 for many (many) years, I was appalled at what they
did to the operating system, but, Dell wouldn't backport the OS.

So, I added a dual boot to Linux, which was, essentially the best move
I had ever made in my life.

Now, mostly, I boot to Linux (yes, I know about Wine and I know of VMs
and I know about Samba, but dual boot is a nice simple solution with
a shared partition).

In general, they're equivalent operating systems with equivalent
software. In fact, over the course of about a year, I've noticed I
boot to Linux far more often to get things done than to Windows.

Everything that I did on Windows, I can do just as easily on Linux,
with the exception of Microsoft Office compatibility with other people
who are on Windows (and yes, I know all about the Linux office
alternatives - but - fact is - they are never fully compatible with
other people who are on Office).

The only reason I'd consider Windows 10 is to get rid of Windows 8.1
and, if Windows 10 half works, it will be an improvement worth
getting (just to get rid of Windows 8.1).
  #64  
Old June 4th 15, 01:59 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

On 2015-06-03 9:44 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-06-03 8:04 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , . . .winston
escribió:

Windows Store app developers will be very strongly encouraged to
default
to the cloud for data storage.


The Store is not an archiving location for saving locally created files
to one's machine or the cloud.


Are you being deliberately dense?

People developing apps for the Store will be "encouraged" to write their
apps such that those apps store the data they generate in the cloud by
default, rather than locally.

Does that make more sense?


I won't use an app that doesn't have a local storage option.


You'll probably be forced to migrate to Linux eventually as a result.
When even Office saves to OneCloud automatically, you know that it's
just a matter of time before more applications take advantage of the
fact that users are more or less forced to use a Microsoft Passport
within Windows 8 and above to save to the cloud.

I like it myself, but I have to admit that I encrypt my documents to
prevent theft.

--
Slimer
Encrypt.

"Figuring that linux has only 1.5% of any market share as a desktop os, it
also implies that the end user is stupid enough to fiddle with an old WWII
bomb that didn't go off." - GreyCloud
  #65  
Old June 4th 15, 02:11 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
Mayayana
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

| In the long run I'll have to use MS Office 2016, MS Office
| 2020 or whatever it will be called. What I read so far
| scares me. For instance:
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_2016 and
| especially
| "Features include: built-in cloud access to create, open,
| edit, and save files in the cloud straight from the desktop,
| ..."

Cloud storage is the shoe in the door in moving
toward subscription. It's the excuse that rationalizes
why subscription software service is better than
owning a copy of the software.

Adobe is already doing subscription-only with
Photoshop. In that case one *can* save copies
of work locally, but you have to know to do that.
Otherwise you lose all of your work if you drop the
subscription. The software itself is still installed locally,
but it's made to appear that it's online.

Since most
people using MS Office are white collar workers with
little tech experience, and don't actually know where
their Word DOCs are to begin with, the move toward a
subscription service controlled by the software company
may be seen by them as merely the addition of a
backup and sharing function.


  #66  
Old June 4th 15, 02:38 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

Jonas Klein wrote:

In the long run I'll have to use MS Office 2016, MS Office 2020 or
whatever it will be called. What I read so far scares me. For instance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_2016 and especially
"Features include: built-in cloud access to create, open, edit, and save
files in the cloud straight from the desktop, ..."


Office 2013 and later does have a more 'cloud centric' approach than
Windows 8 or 10.

The cloud direction was pretty much evident as MSFT's intent way back in
2008 when Windows Live Essentials was released which had cross
application integration (Mail, Contacts, Calendar, Photo Email, Instant
Messaging, PhotoGallery) which used Microsoft's server and also the
user's MSFT/Live account's OneDrive/SkyDrive/My Spaces cloud storage as
a repository for the features cross integration and functionality.

Most folks completely misunderstood WLE thinking it was only supposed to
be a replacement for XP Era Outlook Express and Windows Messenger. While
it met that intent to a certain extent, it provided on more benefit for
MSFT by being focused on the 300,000,000 million Hotmail and Messenger
user base. By targeting that group it also provided MSFT with telemetry
on how that population used those applications and shared
content(pictures and files) in a cloud environment. Any statistician
would easily understand the benefit of having a sample size of that
volume and the implications for the the probability and predictability
of a much larger group of people (in this case data on 300 million is
more than enough to generate usage pattern and adoption with reasonable
confidence and known error for the normal distribution of the total
Windows population.

Office 2007/10 came into play just a shade later since it provided two
cloud centric options - the ability to pull Contact and Calendar data
via that same MSFT/Live account for Hotmail and Messenger and a short
time later 'connector's for social media (e.g. Facebook). Second, MSFT
also had a feature available for MSFT/Live accounts called Office Online
which eventually migrated data storage to SkyDrive (now called OneDrive).

As you should be able to see that MSFT's direction for cloud based user
storage was almost a given well before Windows 8 and Office 2013 (each
of which provided some of the same and more cloud integration) arrived.

Windows10 and Office 2016 are just another step in that same evolution
but that does not mean user lose all control, but they will have to dig
a bit deeper to understand how to control how and what they wish or need
to do to manage their own and customer's concerns and needs. It's not
all the doom and gloom that some will claim but it does bear more
ownership of the product(s) use.


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps
  #67  
Old June 4th 15, 02:42 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
Mayayana
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I won't use an app that doesn't have a local storage option.



I'd be interested to know what non MSFT apps folks have and use that
save data on the app providers cloud without informing the user of that
intent.


That's an interesting point. In my experience, a lot of
software now at least calls home when installed, though
most does not have to be allowed to. It's got so bad
that I generally unplug when installing software. The first
time I saw it was many years ago with Norton Utilities.
It tried to call home clandestinely while installing. I realized
what it was doing and pulled the plug. It then just hung
there for several minutes before proceeding. At no point
was I informed that it was trying to go online or that it
needed to.

I tightly control what goes in and out on my own
machines. While many things will initially try to go out,
most don't keep trying to go out. I don't allow any software
through other than things like browsers on ports 80 and
443, email on email ports, etc. Nothing I use otherwise
*needs* to go out, including Windows. (Though I can't
say for sure that Windows isn't bypassing my firewall
through undocumented means.) Nothing I use involves
online storage options, as far as I know.

While many people live online, with Google docs, gmail,
Facebook, etc, none of those things is necessary for full
use of a computer. The problem with the online trend is
not so much that it allows online storage or sharing, but
rather that it's being gradually pushed as the inevitable
way of the future. Adobe CS, for instance, can no longer
be bought at all in a retail product version. (Not that I care.
It's always been absurdly priced, anyway. But PS is
the industry standard and people who consider it
indispensable now have no choice but to rent it.)

Following is a partial list of software I currently have
installed and use. None of it needs to go online. If any
of it offers online storage they've at least had the good
taste not to push it.

7-Zip
Acrylic DNS Proxy
APIViewer 2004
ASCII Cat
Audacity
Corel Paint Shop Pro 16
DVD Flick
FileZilla FTP Client
HxD
ImgBurn
IrfanView
K-Meleon
LibreOffice 4
Microsoft Visual Studio 6
Mozilla Firefox
Mozilla Thunderbird
Mythicsoft Agent Ransack
Outlook Express
Paint Shop Pro 5
Pale Moon
PDF-XChange Viewer
PeaZip
PowerArchiver
SumatraPDF
Sysinternals utilities
Online Armor firewall
TextBridge Pro 8.0
VLC Media Player
WinMerge



  #68  
Old June 4th 15, 02:58 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
Mayayana
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| KB 3035583 for me tagged as an optional update - requiring the user to
| check the box.
|

I already posted a URL earlier that indicated that was
only a temporary option. They later started pushing
the install, so that many people are just seeing a
popup appear out of nowhere. You seem to have
forgotten that discussion.

| - Maybe it would help if you (or all of us) followed your own advice
| and disregarded Mayayana's seek and destroy digressive approach g
|

Have you somehow not noticed that I'm only
writing to counter your specific statements? This
whole subthread started with me describing the
push toward subscription software and online
services. I may have characterized it with my own
slant, but nothing I said was untrue or misleading.

You and the suitably named Mr. Slimer then started
to twist facts and attempted to make people
believe that Win10 is a choiceless choice. (As with
the issue of the adware patch status, which you
keep insisting is opt-in only even though you have to
know better by now.) If you'd stop posting Microsoft
marketing drivel I'll be more than happy to stop
rebutting it.


  #69  
Old June 4th 15, 03:31 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

Mayayana wrote:
| KB 3035583 for me tagged as an optional update - requiring the user to
| check the box.
|

I already posted a URL earlier that indicated that was
only a temporary option. They later started pushing
the install, so that many people are just seeing a
popup appear out of nowhere. You seem to have
forgotten that discussion.

| - Maybe it would help if you (or all of us) followed your own advice
| and disregarded Mayayana's seek and destroy digressive approach g
|

Have you somehow not noticed that I'm only
writing to counter your specific statements? This
whole subthread started with me describing the
push toward subscription software and online
services. I may have characterized it with my own
slant, but nothing I said was untrue or misleading.

You and the suitably named Mr. Slimer then started
to twist facts and attempted to make people
believe that Win10 is a choiceless choice. (As with
the issue of the adware patch status, which you
keep insisting is opt-in only even though you have to
know better by now.) If you'd stop posting Microsoft
marketing drivel I'll be more than happy to stop
rebutting it.


You should re-read the thread for my responses, they are centered upon
the purpose and intent of the Get Win10 app on how it helps making an
informed choice on Win10. At no time have I ever stated that it is
necessary to move to Win10.

You'll have to deal with your Slimer conversations separately, I didn't
think it warranted anything beyond a casual glance until you stated
'hoodwinked' at that point it made sense to provide information on what
the app specifically does beyond reserving Win10 (i.e. replaces the
Upgrade Assistant providing info a W7Sp1/8.1 system's readiness).

I'm quite certain I never stated anything was opt-in.

But as Char noted, maybe I should no longer read your posts unless
someone quotes them



--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps
  #70  
Old June 4th 15, 03:31 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
NEMO
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On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 08:59:25 -0400, Slimer wrote:

You'll probably be forced to migrate to Linux eventually as a result.
When even Office saves to OneCloud automatically, you know that it's
just a matter of time before more applications take advantage of the
fact that users are more or less forced to use a Microsoft Passport
within Windows 8 and above to save to the cloud.


There's always your own cloud server...

Build your own personal cloud server
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/so...erver-3378792/

How to: start your own free Cloud Storage server
http://www.androidauthority.com/crea...torage-170060/

CNET DIY: Create your own cloud server
http://www.cnet.com/videos/diy-create-your-own-cloud/

Gizmos Want your own cloud server
http://www.techsupportalert.com/cont...n-your-own.htm

  #71  
Old June 4th 15, 03:43 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
Neil
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On 6/4/2015 4:16 AM, Jonas Klein wrote:
Am 04.06.2015 um 01:35 schrieb . . .winston:
What might be more appropriate before you worry about your
own backside is what you think or expect to default to the
cloud in Windows 10.
Provide details then maybe your customers will have a chance
of being supported properly.


In the long run I'll have to use MS Office 2016, MS Office 2020 or
whatever it will be called. What I read so far scares me. For instance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_2016 and especially
"Features include: built-in cloud access to create, open, edit, and save
files in the cloud straight from the desktop, ..."

Even if the cloud is the default for file storage, it is unlikely to be
the only option. In your case, you'd simply need to change your file
location to a local drive. No big deal.
--
best regards,

Neil

  #72  
Old June 4th 15, 03:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-06-04 8:59 AM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-03 9:44 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-06-03 8:04 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , . . .winston
escribió:

Windows Store app developers will be very strongly encouraged to
default
to the cloud for data storage.


The Store is not an archiving location for saving locally created
files
to one's machine or the cloud.

Are you being deliberately dense?

People developing apps for the Store will be "encouraged" to write
their
apps such that those apps store the data they generate in the cloud by
default, rather than locally.

Does that make more sense?

I won't use an app that doesn't have a local storage option.


You'll probably be forced to migrate to Linux eventually as a result.
When even Office saves to OneCloud automatically, you know that it's
just a matter of time before more applications take advantage of the
fact that users are more or less forced to use a Microsoft Passport
within Windows 8 and above to save to the cloud.

I like it myself, but I have to admit that I encrypt my documents to
prevent theft.


What's OneCloud? ;-)

When my sis-in-law got her new Win8 machine, she emailed links to her
pictures stored in OneCloud, a PITA to retrieve. She's gone back to
proper attachments.



Have a good day,

OneDrive provides the option to send a link for sharing. If done
properly the recipient has to do nothing but click the link. Options to
view or save the files will be present.

e.g.
http://1drv.ms/1H4o1N2

Clicking the above link will open the destination in a browser window
for viewing and option (upper left) to download the picture.
- this is just a simple example of a single pic but the same can be done
for an entire folder of pictures (for view and/or download).








--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

  #73  
Old June 4th 15, 04:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

Mayayana wrote:
I won't use an app that doesn't have a local storage option.



I'd be interested to know what non MSFT apps folks have and use that
save data on the app providers cloud without informing the user of that
intent.


That's an interesting point. In my experience, a lot of
software now at least calls home when installed, though
most does not have to be allowed to. It's got so bad
that I generally unplug when installing software. The first
time I saw it was many years ago with Norton Utilities.
It tried to call home clandestinely while installing. I realized
what it was doing and pulled the plug. It then just hung
there for several minutes before proceeding. At no point
was I informed that it was trying to go online or that it
needed to.

I tightly control what goes in and out on my own
machines. While many things will initially try to go out,
most don't keep trying to go out. I don't allow any software
through other than things like browsers on ports 80 and
443, email on email ports, etc. Nothing I use otherwise
*needs* to go out, including Windows. (Though I can't
say for sure that Windows isn't bypassing my firewall
through undocumented means.) Nothing I use involves
online storage options, as far as I know.

While many people live online, with Google docs, gmail,
Facebook, etc, none of those things is necessary for full
use of a computer. The problem with the online trend is
not so much that it allows online storage or sharing, but
rather that it's being gradually pushed as the inevitable
way of the future. Adobe CS, for instance, can no longer
be bought at all in a retail product version. (Not that I care.
It's always been absurdly priced, anyway. But PS is
the industry standard and people who consider it
indispensable now have no choice but to rent it.)

Following is a partial list of software I currently have
installed and use. None of it needs to go online. If any
of it offers online storage they've at least had the good
taste not to push it.

7-Zip
Acrylic DNS Proxy
APIViewer 2004
ASCII Cat
Audacity
Corel Paint Shop Pro 16
DVD Flick
FileZilla FTP Client
HxD
ImgBurn
IrfanView
K-Meleon
LibreOffice 4
Microsoft Visual Studio 6
Mozilla Firefox
Mozilla Thunderbird
Mythicsoft Agent Ransack
Outlook Express
Paint Shop Pro 5
Pale Moon
PDF-XChange Viewer
PeaZip
PowerArchiver
SumatraPDF
Sysinternals utilities
Online Armor firewall
TextBridge Pro 8.0
VLC Media Player
WinMerge




You're usage purpose and pattern is not unlike mine though over the lat
5 yrs I've significantly de-cluttered my software base (I need about 10
applications besides Windows, Office, and AV/AM programs.)

There always should be concern about privacy and what data is shared or
placed on another outside location be it OneDrive, Social Media, Google
(ugh) but I'm not going to tell people how they should manage that
content. Lol...nor would I as hastily as you 'pull the plug'.

I see both benefit and disadvantage across MSFT's o/s and software and
social media...but from my perspective much bigger fish present risk on
privacy (banks, financial accounts, credit card accounts and use, etc.)
all with less user control.




--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps
  #74  
Old June 4th 15, 04:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Springer[_2_]
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On 6/4/15 7:38 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Jonas Klein wrote:

In the long run I'll have to use MS Office 2016, MS Office 2020 or
whatever it will be called. What I read so far scares me. For instance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_2016 and especially
"Features include: built-in cloud access to create, open, edit, and save
files in the cloud straight from the desktop, ..."


Office 2013 and later does have a more 'cloud centric' approach than
Windows 8 or 10.

The cloud direction was pretty much evident as MSFT's intent way back in
2008 when Windows Live Essentials was released which had cross
application integration (Mail, Contacts, Calendar, Photo Email, Instant
Messaging, PhotoGallery) which used Microsoft's server and also the
user's MSFT/Live account's OneDrive/SkyDrive/My Spaces cloud storage as
a repository for the features cross integration and functionality.

Most folks completely misunderstood WLE thinking it was only supposed to
be a replacement for XP Era Outlook Express and Windows Messenger. While
it met that intent to a certain extent, it provided on more benefit for
MSFT by being focused on the 300,000,000 million Hotmail and Messenger
user base. By targeting that group it also provided MSFT with telemetry
on how that population used those applications and shared
content(pictures and files) in a cloud environment. Any statistician
would easily understand the benefit of having a sample size of that
volume and the implications for the the probability and predictability
of a much larger group of people (in this case data on 300 million is
more than enough to generate usage pattern and adoption with reasonable
confidence and known error for the normal distribution of the total
Windows population.

Office 2007/10 came into play just a shade later since it provided two
cloud centric options - the ability to pull Contact and Calendar data
via that same MSFT/Live account for Hotmail and Messenger and a short
time later 'connector's for social media (e.g. Facebook). Second, MSFT
also had a feature available for MSFT/Live accounts called Office Online
which eventually migrated data storage to SkyDrive (now called OneDrive).

As you should be able to see that MSFT's direction for cloud based user
storage was almost a given well before Windows 8 and Office 2013 (each
of which provided some of the same and more cloud integration) arrived.

Windows10 and Office 2016 are just another step in that same evolution
but that does not mean user lose all control, but they will have to dig
a bit deeper to understand how to control how and what they wish or need
to do to manage their own and customer's concerns and needs. It's not
all the doom and gloom that some will claim but it does bear more
ownership of the product(s) use.


All of this sounds great, in a perfect world. But that's not what we
live in.

If you use cloud apps and storage, if your internet connection goes
down, you're screwed. Plain and simple.

And the US has a very aging and deteriorating infrastructure, that in
many places struggles under the load. Not to mention the vagaries of
mother nature and the threat of terrorist types and hackers.
Essentially you're putting your data into someone else's hands, taking
no responsibility yourself for the safety of your data.

Personally, I don't trust any large company that has a vested interest
in how you use your computer to be 100% trustworthy in respecting your
rights as the owner of the property. Wasn't it Instagram that was
recently caught claiming ownership of photos uploaded to their servers?



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
  #75  
Old June 4th 15, 04:33 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/4/15 7:38 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Jonas Klein wrote:

In the long run I'll have to use MS Office 2016, MS Office 2020 or
whatever it will be called. What I read so far scares me. For instance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_2016 and especially
"Features include: built-in cloud access to create, open, edit, and save
files in the cloud straight from the desktop, ..."


Office 2013 and later does have a more 'cloud centric' approach than
Windows 8 or 10.

The cloud direction was pretty much evident as MSFT's intent way back in
2008 when Windows Live Essentials was released which had cross
application integration (Mail, Contacts, Calendar, Photo Email, Instant
Messaging, PhotoGallery) which used Microsoft's server and also the
user's MSFT/Live account's OneDrive/SkyDrive/My Spaces cloud storage as
a repository for the features cross integration and functionality.

Most folks completely misunderstood WLE thinking it was only supposed to
be a replacement for XP Era Outlook Express and Windows Messenger. While
it met that intent to a certain extent, it provided on more benefit for
MSFT by being focused on the 300,000,000 million Hotmail and Messenger
user base. By targeting that group it also provided MSFT with telemetry
on how that population used those applications and shared
content(pictures and files) in a cloud environment. Any statistician
would easily understand the benefit of having a sample size of that
volume and the implications for the the probability and predictability
of a much larger group of people (in this case data on 300 million is
more than enough to generate usage pattern and adoption with reasonable
confidence and known error for the normal distribution of the total
Windows population.

Office 2007/10 came into play just a shade later since it provided two
cloud centric options - the ability to pull Contact and Calendar data
via that same MSFT/Live account for Hotmail and Messenger and a short
time later 'connector's for social media (e.g. Facebook). Second, MSFT
also had a feature available for MSFT/Live accounts called Office Online
which eventually migrated data storage to SkyDrive (now called OneDrive).

As you should be able to see that MSFT's direction for cloud based user
storage was almost a given well before Windows 8 and Office 2013 (each
of which provided some of the same and more cloud integration) arrived.

Windows10 and Office 2016 are just another step in that same evolution
but that does not mean user lose all control, but they will have to dig
a bit deeper to understand how to control how and what they wish or need
to do to manage their own and customer's concerns and needs. It's not
all the doom and gloom that some will claim but it does bear more
ownership of the product(s) use.


All of this sounds great, in a perfect world. But that's not what we
live in.

If you use cloud apps and storage, if your internet connection goes
down, you're screwed. Plain and simple.

And the US has a very aging and deteriorating infrastructure, that in
many places struggles under the load. Not to mention the vagaries of
mother nature and the threat of terrorist types and hackers. Essentially
you're putting your data into someone else's hands, taking no
responsibility yourself for the safety of your data.

Personally, I don't trust any large company that has a vested interest
in how you use your computer to be 100% trustworthy in respecting your
rights as the owner of the property. Wasn't it Instagram that was
recently caught claiming ownership of photos uploaded to their servers?



Fortunately, at this stage...we still have some level of control over
what we decide is worthy of cloud storage. I don't see that as changing
soon since their is too much negative perception...that same perception
doesn't always provide the whole picture on benefit or disadvantage.

Not sure if it was Instagram or another provider. It doesn't much
matter - though the important piece of any cloud pie is that use of for
the most part agrees to the TOS and Privacy guidelines for those
services...and since most don't read those use and agreement is
universal - complaining about what one agrees to is like arguing with
your mother about agreeing to take out the trash. You can complain but
you still do it.

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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps
 




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