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  #31  
Old April 25th 16, 08:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 25/04/2016 20:30, Ken1943 wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 20:15:51 +0100, Brian Gregory
wrote:

On 12/04/2016 16:32, Ken1943 wrote:
...
Didn't know if the other person could read !!!!


You're the one who just incorrectly agreed that an English ton is 2000lb.



Pardon me, your from the wrong side of the pond so nothing you
or I say makes sense.


Ken1943


Are you saying that stateside everyone calls a 'US ton' an 'English Ton'?

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  #32  
Old April 26th 16, 12:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 13:30:10 -0600, Ken1943 wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 20:15:51 +0100, Brian Gregory
wrote:

On 12/04/2016 16:32, Ken1943 wrote:
...
Didn't know if the other person could read !!!!


You're the one who just incorrectly agreed that an English ton is 2000lb.



Pardon me, your from the wrong side of the pond so nothing you
or I say makes sense.


Pardon me. "Your" is a possessive adjective. "You're" is the way that
literate people contract "you are".

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  #33  
Old April 26th 16, 01:51 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Those teachers could call heavy ton and light ton. I don't understand why
experts call 1000 kg metric ton just because meter is a unit that measures
lenght.

"Monty" escreveu na mensagem
...

On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 22:44:30 +0100, "Blue Citizen"
wrote:

Just curious about the history that lead to these differences between short
and long ton. Thought American ton was greater than Great Britain's one.

"Wolf K" escreveu na mensagem ...

On 2016-04-02 23:05, Blue Citizen wrote:
Hello you, today I was trying unit conversion with Windows Calculator and
now it looks different. Can't find Newton unit, plus it shows new units
I've
never seen before, Tonne for example, do you know this unit?


1,000kg, aka as "metric ton" for them as can't spell. English "ton" is
2,000lb. "Long ton" is 2,200lb, or approximately 999kg.

I can't agree with your definitions of English ton (2,000lb) and Long
ton (2,200lb).

The description below is from Encyclopedia Britannica and reflects
what I learnt in school about 70 years ago.

" Ton, unit of weight in the avoirdupois system equal to 2,000 pounds
(907.18 kg) in the United States (the short ton) and 2,240 pounds
(1,016.05 kg) in Britain (the long ton). The metric ton used in
most other countries is 1,000 kg, equivalent to 2,204.6 pounds
avoirdupois.

Ton came to mean any large weight, until it was standardized at 20
hundredweight although the total weight could be 2,000, 2,160,
2,240, or 2,400 pounds (from 907.18 to 1088.62 kg) depending on
whether the corresponding hundredweight contained 100, 108, 112, or
120 pounds."

I am not aware of any "ton" being defined as 2,200lb.

The best conversion resource is a little book I got 60 years ago as 1st
year engineering student. Don't need no built-in stuff, just a plain
calculator and the ability to turn paper pages and read 'em.

:-)

Hope you can help me.

Thanks,


You're welcome.

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  #34  
Old April 26th 16, 03:27 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 01:51:52 +0100, "Tuesday"
wrote:

Those teachers could call heavy ton and light ton. I don't understand why
experts call 1000 kg metric ton just because meter is a unit that measures
lenght.


The metric system is an internationally agreed decimal system of
measurement. It was originally based on the mètre des Archives and the
kilogramme des Archives introduced by the First French Republic in
1799, but over the years the definitions of the metre and the kilogram
have been refined, and the metric system has been extended to
incorporate many more units. Although a number of variants of the
metric system emerged in the late nineteenth and early twentieth
centuries, the term is now often used as a synonym for the
"International System of Units"—the official system of measurement in
almost every country in the world.

The metric system has been officially sanctioned for use in the United
States since 1866, but the US remains the only industrialised country
that has not adopted the metric system as its official system of
measurement. Many sources also cite Liberia and Myanmar as the only
other countries not to have done so. Although the United Kingdom uses
the metric system for most administrative and trade purposes, Imperial
units are permitted or obligatory for some purposes, such as road
signs.


"Monty" escreveu na mensagem
.. .

On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 22:44:30 +0100, "Blue Citizen"
wrote:

Just curious about the history that lead to these differences between short
and long ton. Thought American ton was greater than Great Britain's one.

"Wolf K" escreveu na mensagem ...

On 2016-04-02 23:05, Blue Citizen wrote:
Hello you, today I was trying unit conversion with Windows Calculator and
now it looks different. Can't find Newton unit, plus it shows new units
I've
never seen before, Tonne for example, do you know this unit?


1,000kg, aka as "metric ton" for them as can't spell. English "ton" is
2,000lb. "Long ton" is 2,200lb, or approximately 999kg.

I can't agree with your definitions of English ton (2,000lb) and Long
ton (2,200lb).

The description below is from Encyclopedia Britannica and reflects
what I learnt in school about 70 years ago.

" Ton, unit of weight in the avoirdupois system equal to 2,000 pounds
(907.18 kg) in the United States (the short ton) and 2,240 pounds
(1,016.05 kg) in Britain (the long ton). The metric ton used in
most other countries is 1,000 kg, equivalent to 2,204.6 pounds
avoirdupois.

Ton came to mean any large weight, until it was standardized at 20
hundredweight although the total weight could be 2,000, 2,160,
2,240, or 2,400 pounds (from 907.18 to 1088.62 kg) depending on
whether the corresponding hundredweight contained 100, 108, 112, or
120 pounds."

I am not aware of any "ton" being defined as 2,200lb.

The best conversion resource is a little book I got 60 years ago as 1st
year engineering student. Don't need no built-in stuff, just a plain
calculator and the ability to turn paper pages and read 'em.

:-)

Hope you can help me.

Thanks,


You're welcome.

--
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  #35  
Old April 26th 16, 04:17 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Why do you call the International System of Units a decimal system of
measurement? Isn't the Imperial system of units a decimal system? What have
to do road signs with a system of units? I've heard in United Kingdom,
people have the same unit for money and weight.

"Monty" escreveu na mensagem
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The metric system is an internationally agreed decimal system of
measurement. It was originally based on the mètre des Archives and the
kilogramme des Archives introduced by the First French Republic in
1799, but over the years the definitions of the metre and the kilogram
have been refined, and the metric system has been extended to
incorporate many more units. Although a number of variants of the
metric system emerged in the late nineteenth and early twentieth
centuries, the term is now often used as a synonym for the
"International System of Units"—the official system of measurement in
almost every country in the world.

The metric system has been officially sanctioned for use in the United
States since 1866, but the US remains the only industrialised country
that has not adopted the metric system as its official system of
measurement. Many sources also cite Liberia and Myanmar as the only
other countries not to have done so. Although the United Kingdom uses
the metric system for most administrative and trade purposes, Imperial
units are permitted or obligatory for some purposes, such as road
signs.

  #36  
Old April 26th 16, 05:27 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Monty
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 04:17:35 +0100, "Tuesday"
wrote:

Why do you call the International System of Units a decimal system of
measurement?


the main features of the metric system were the standard set of
inter-related base units and a standard set of prefixes in powers of
ten. These base units are used to derive larger and smaller units that
could replace a huge number of other units of measure in existence.
Although the system was first developed for commercial use, the
development of coherent units of measure made it particularly suitable
for science and engineering.


Isn't the Imperial system of units a decimal system?


No.


What have to do road signs with a system of units?

I don't know!


I've heard in United Kingdom,
people have the same unit for money and weight.

The word "pound" was used to denote a currency value and a unit of
weight.


"Monty" escreveu na mensagem
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The metric system is an internationally agreed decimal system of
measurement. It was originally based on the mètre des Archives and the
kilogramme des Archives introduced by the First French Republic in
1799, but over the years the definitions of the metre and the kilogram
have been refined, and the metric system has been extended to
incorporate many more units. Although a number of variants of the
metric system emerged in the late nineteenth and early twentieth
centuries, the term is now often used as a synonym for the
"International System of Units"—the official system of measurement in
almost every country in the world.

The metric system has been officially sanctioned for use in the United
States since 1866, but the US remains the only industrialised country
that has not adopted the metric system as its official system of
measurement. Many sources also cite Liberia and Myanmar as the only
other countries not to have done so. Although the United Kingdom uses
the metric system for most administrative and trade purposes, Imperial
units are permitted or obligatory for some purposes, such as road
signs.

  #37  
Old April 26th 16, 11:40 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Monty" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 04:17:35 +0100, "Tuesday"
wrote:

Isn't the Imperial system of units a decimal system?


No.


You *could* specify a distance as 3.5 feet or a weight as 5.25 pounds, but
it is more usual either to express things as fractions (5/8 inch *) or else
in a mixture of units (3 feet 6 inches or 5 pounds 4 ounces). So, in normal
usage, the imperial system tends not to be a decimal system.

The other connotation of "decimal" is that units in the same system are
related by powers of ten. They certainly are in the SI/metric system. They
are not in the imperial: various multiples are used (16 ounces/pound, 12
inches/foot, 8 pints/gallon) but I cannot think of any example of two units
which are related by the only sensible ratio - 10 (given that we have 10
digits and so count in base 10).


(*) Analogue scales, such as rulers, tape measures and weighing scales, tend
to be divided into power-of-two divisions of the relevant unit: half,
quarter, eighth, sixteenth and so on as far as the accuracy that you want to
claim in your measurement.

  #38  
Old April 26th 16, 12:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:27:35 +1000, Monty wrote:
....

The metric system is an internationally agreed decimal system of
measurement. It was originally based on the mètre des Archives and the
kilogramme des Archives introduced by the First French Republic in
1799, but over the years the definitions of the metre and the kilogram
have been refined, and the metric system has been extended to
incorporate many more units. Although a number of variants of the
metric system emerged in the late nineteenth and early twentieth
centuries, the term is now often used as a synonym for the
"International System of Units"—the official system of measurement in
almost every country in the world.

The metric system has been officially sanctioned for use in the United
States since 1866, but the US remains the only industrialised country
that has not adopted the metric system as its official system of
measurement. Many sources also cite Liberia and Myanmar as the only
other countries not to have done so. Although the United Kingdom uses
the metric system for most administrative and trade purposes, Imperial
units are permitted or obligatory for some purposes, such as road
signs.

....

Excellent summary, let's hope the likes of Ken* read and understand
it!
  #39  
Old April 26th 16, 12:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 4/25/2016 10:27 PM, Monty wrote:
The metric system is an internationally agreed decimal system of
measurement. It was originally based on the mètre des Archives and the
kilogramme des Archives introduced by the First French Republic in
1799, but over the years the definitions of the metre and the kilogram
have been refined, and the metric system has been extended to
incorporate many more units. Although a number of variants of the
metric system emerged in the late nineteenth and early twentieth
centuries, the term is now often used as a synonym for the
"International System of Units"—the official system of measurement in
almost every country in the world.

The metric system has been officially sanctioned for use in the United
States since 1866, but the US remains the only industrialised country
that has not adopted the metric system as its official system of
measurement. Many sources also cite Liberia and Myanmar as the only
other countries not to have done so. Although the United Kingdom uses
the metric system for most administrative and trade purposes, Imperial
units are permitted or obligatory for some purposes, such as road
signs.


The metric system of measurement is far superior. Since a gram is the
weight of on cubic centimeter of water, this make conversion for
length/volume to weigh quite simple, as a 1000 cubic centimeters/ or one
liter will weigh 1000 grams or a kilogram.

How many pounds are in a quart of water?
How many cubic inches are in a quart?

I would have to answer the above after a trip to Google.


  #40  
Old April 26th 16, 01:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 26/04/2016 01:03, Ken1943 wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 20:57:50 +0100, Brian Gregory
wrote:

On 25/04/2016 20:30, Ken1943 wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 20:15:51 +0100, Brian Gregory
wrote:

On 12/04/2016 16:32, Ken1943 wrote:
...
Didn't know if the other person could read !!!!

You're the one who just incorrectly agreed that an English ton is 2000lb.


Pardon me, your from the wrong side of the pond so nothing you
or I say makes sense.


Ken1943


Are you saying that stateside everyone calls a 'US ton' an 'English Ton'?


Don't remember seeing the word tonne (British) vs the word ton (US) to
explain things. Maybe I missed it or you did not spell it your way.


Ken1943


Tonne is the METRIC ton.
that's different from both US ton and UK ton.

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  #41  
Old April 26th 16, 02:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 4/2/2016 10:05 PM, Blue Citizen wrote:
Hello you, today I was trying unit conversion with Windows Calculator
and now it looks different. Can't find Newton unit, plus it shows new
units I've never seen before, Tonne for example, do you know this unit?

Hope you can help me.

Thanks,

--
Blue Citizen


Newton unit?

Isn't "tonne" a British weight unit?
Use a dictionary maybe?
  #42  
Old April 26th 16, 02:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Pfsszxt wrote:

Newton unit?


Depending which planet you live on, the force exerted by a mass of
approx 102 grammes

Isn't "tonne" a British weight unit?


It's used here, but isn't specifically British, it's used everywhere
that metric units are.
  #43  
Old April 26th 16, 05:15 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:50:11 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

But that's because it's a _decimal_ system, _not_ because the
quantities themselves are useful. In fact, in real life they're
damn inconvenient, because they don't relate well to sizes and
quantities we humans actually use.


Probably that's why the system is based on metres, kg and seconds,
which we can all relate to on a human scale.
  #44  
Old April 27th 16, 08:46 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 21:57:48 +0100, Tuesday wrote:

Once more, with feeling:
In all English speaking countries, "tonne" means 1,000kg. "Ton" usually
means 2,000lb in the UK, and 2,000lb in the US. But it means something
different when referring to a ship. Then there's the "tun"....


You are still getting it wrong Mr K :-)

A ton is 20 cwt. A cwt is 112lb in the UK but only 100lb in the US
therefore a UK ton is 2,240lb while a US ton is 2,000. I don't know of
a difference when referring to a ship but maybe it's the UK ton of
2,240lb which I've always taken it to be.


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Old April 27th 16, 03:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 09:09:41 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

A ton is 20 cwt. A cwt is 112lb in the UK but only 100lb in the US
therefore a UK ton is 2,240lb while a US ton is 2,000.


Right. I plead bad proofreading. However, I do recall a 2,000lb ton
termed a "short ton" when I was a schoolboy.


Yes, that's the US ton, the UK ton is the long ton.

I don't know of
a difference when referring to a ship but maybe it's the UK ton of
2,240lb which I've always taken it to be.


Here's the skinny on that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonnage


That's a whole new bag of worms I've decided to not go too near :-))


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