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  #16  
Old December 7th 18, 05:05 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
pyotr filipivich
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VanguardLH on Thu, 6 Dec 2018 19:24:03 -0600 typed in
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Char Jackson wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Like the story about the guy who fell down a well, and while in the
well "found God", that doesn't make pushing people down a well a
valid form of evangelism. B-)


Let us not be hasty in ruling it out, though.


Well, if the well were deep enough or dry, and if the victim were good
enough, maybe he really will find God ... the hard way: he died and went
to heaven. As for the guy who pushed him in, maybe someone was behind
him, too, and pushes him in but in his afterlife he won't meet up with
his victim.


And, and, and --- Verb Sap: just because it worked for one
individual, does not necessarily mean it is a applicable to everybody.
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  #17  
Old December 7th 18, 09:23 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 10:45:48 -0500, Mayayana wrote:

"pyotr filipivich" wrote
| I'm getting messages, that I can't 'reach a website.
|
I get the same thing. The problem with that is it's
hard to know what they're trying to do because it happens
before the page loads. Since it's encrypted I can't see
in something like Smart Sniffer what the conversation is
with the server.



Telerik Fiddler can intercept encrypted connections to show
you the conversation with the web server.

(FYI Telerik Fiddler is not a packet sniffer like Smart
Sniffer; Telerik Fiddler works like a local web proxy.)


I think it usually means that they want to snoop and can't,
so it's just looping, but I don't know the details. I generally
find that with very commercial sites.



--
Kind regards
Ralph
  #18  
Old December 7th 18, 10:39 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
John Jones[_2_]
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Default Error message "www.thepoachedegg.net redirected you too many times."????

On Thu, 06 Dec 2018 15:06:24 -0800, "pyotr filipivich"
wrote in article
...

VanguardLH on Thu, 6 Dec 2018 16:34:30 -0600 typed in
alt.windows7.general the following:

Let me start by saying "thanks" for all the technical support.


pyotr told use which web browsers he uses but nothing about which
extensions he has installed into each,


Most of which I don't know, nor (sorry to say) do I care enough to
hunt down. If memory serves, I have the barebones loaded.

or what happens when he loads the
web browsers in their safe mode to eliminate modification of content by
any installed extensions. Anti-virus software that interrogates web
traffic can also affect odd behavior in a web page.


Ufda. Like I said, article was not interesting enough for me to
try to get past whatever is going wonky. Such is life - I'm "too
busy" trying to figure out how to map the alumacantor circles for a
Astrolabe. (I can figure out how to do it with a compass and rule
{aka Geometry Old School} but when I trig out the numbers, they're not
making sense. Guess I'm going to have to construct one to scale,
measure the drawing, and work back from that.)



Somewhat OT but youve piqued my interest: google hasnt heard of an
alumacantor so what is it?
JJ
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Old December 7th 18, 11:40 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Error message "www.thepoachedegg.net redirected you too many times."????

John Jones wrote:

Somewhat OT but youve piqued my interest: google hasnt heard of an
alumacantor so what is it?

|___||____|
| |
almacantar
or almucantar

There is no "u" between the "l" and "m", and the "o" is an "a". There
was a compounding of mispellings.

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Almacantar
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/almucantar
  #20  
Old December 7th 18, 04:22 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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Default Error message "www.thepoachedegg.net redirected you too many times."????

"Ralph Fox" wrote

| Telerik Fiddler can intercept encrypted connections to show
| you the conversation with the web server.
|
| (FYI Telerik Fiddler is not a packet sniffer like Smart
| Sniffer; Telerik Fiddler works like a local web proxy.)
|

Thanks. That looks interesting. I don't think
I care enough to use an adware program that
requires me to give them an email address.

But it's interesting to know. I've been working on a
Bing maps program and was just wondering
yesterday whether any tool can get pre-encrypted
data. If it can really do that then it seems it must
be more a hook than a proxy. I call winhttp.
Winhttp calls bing and intitiates a TLS-encrypted
conversation. It seems something like fiddler would
have to hook in between me and winhttp. Or in
the case of a browser, between the browser and
something like crypt32.dll. Do you know what I
mean? Do you happen to know the details of
how that works?

I was wondering because the REST map apis
for things like Google and Bing require using
a key these days. I'm switching from Google
to Bing because Google just started requiring a
credit card. Bing doesn't, but it does have a
limit. It might be impossible to fully hide the key,
but I'm trying to figure out more. For instance,
someone with a Google account might put the
key in their webpage, have it spread around by
someone in China, and end up being charged
thousands of dollars by Google for going over the
free limit. Similarly, software that doesn't encrypt
would make it simple for anyone to read the key.
Probably a crack of the software could get the
key, but that would likely be more work than it's
worth to hackers.


  #21  
Old December 7th 18, 04:44 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
pyotr filipivich
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VanguardLH on Fri, 7 Dec 2018 04:40:44 -0600 typed in
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John Jones wrote:

Somewhat OT but youve piqued my interest: google hasnt heard of an
alumacantor so what is it?

|___||____|
| |
almacantar
or almucantar

There is no "u" between the "l" and "m", and the "o" is an "a". There
was a compounding of mispellings.

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Almacantar
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/almucantar


Yep. First I mispronounce the word, then misspell what I
remembered.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
  #22  
Old December 7th 18, 04:44 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
pyotr filipivich
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Default Almucantar / Astrolabes, Error message "www.thepoachedegg.net redirected you too many times."????

John Jones on Fri, 7 Dec 2018 09:39:35 -0000 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2018 15:06:24 -0800, "pyotr filipivich"
wrote in article
...

VanguardLH on Thu, 6 Dec 2018 16:34:30 -0600 typed in
alt.windows7.general the following:

Let me start by saying "thanks" for all the technical support.


pyotr told use which web browsers he uses but nothing about which
extensions he has installed into each,


Most of which I don't know, nor (sorry to say) do I care enough to
hunt down. If memory serves, I have the barebones loaded.

or what happens when he loads the
web browsers in their safe mode to eliminate modification of content by
any installed extensions. Anti-virus software that interrogates web
traffic can also affect odd behavior in a web page.


Ufda. Like I said, article was not interesting enough for me to
try to get past whatever is going wonky. Such is life - I'm "too
busy" trying to figure out how to map the alumacantor circles for a
Astrolabe. (I can figure out how to do it with a compass and rule
{aka Geometry Old School} but when I trig out the numbers, they're not
making sense. Guess I'm going to have to construct one to scale,
measure the drawing, and work back from that.)



Somewhat OT but youve piqued my interest: google hasnt heard of an
alumacantor so what is it?


Ah, there's the problem, I misspelled it. "Almucantar" from the
Arabic 'sundial'.

You want to look up Astrolabe (the predecessor to the sextant).
The Almucantar circles are how circles of latitude are transferred
from a sphere (the earth) to a plane by stereographic projection.
https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Astrolabe#Construction

The frustrating part of this is that goggling "constructing an
astrolabe" gets all sorts of pre-printed templates, but very little on
the mechanics of calculating where the points for the various
latitudes are located. I found myself measuring the constructed
diagram and seeing if my calculations "worked". Grumble, I had a URL
for an app "Abacus for Android" but I lost it.

--
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Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
  #23  
Old December 7th 18, 05:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
John Jones[_2_]
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 04:40:44 -0600, "VanguardLH" wrote in
article ...

John Jones wrote:

Somewhat OT but youve piqued my interest: google hasnt heard of an
alumacantor so what is it?

|___||____|
| |
almacantar
or almucantar

There is no "u" between the "l" and "m", and the "o" is an "a". There
was a compounding of mispellings.

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Almacantar
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/almucantar


Many thanks
JJ
  #24  
Old December 7th 18, 07:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Mayayana wrote:

"Ralph Fox" wrote

| Telerik Fiddler can intercept encrypted connections to show
| you the conversation with the web server.
|
| (FYI Telerik Fiddler is not a packet sniffer like Smart
| Sniffer; Telerik Fiddler works like a local web proxy.)
|

Thanks. That looks interesting. I don't think
I care enough to use an adware program that
requires me to give them an email address.

But it's interesting to know. I've been working on a
Bing maps program and was just wondering
yesterday whether any tool can get pre-encrypted
data. If it can really do that then it seems it must
be more a hook than a proxy. I call winhttp.
Winhttp calls bing and intitiates a TLS-encrypted
conversation. It seems something like fiddler would
have to hook in between me and winhttp. Or in
the case of a browser, between the browser and
something like crypt32.dll. Do you know what I
mean? Do you happen to know the details of
how that works?

I was wondering because the REST map apis
for things like Google and Bing require using
a key these days. I'm switching from Google
to Bing because Google just started requiring a
credit card. Bing doesn't, but it does have a
limit. It might be impossible to fully hide the key,
but I'm trying to figure out more. For instance,
someone with a Google account might put the
key in their webpage, have it spread around by
someone in China, and end up being charged
thousands of dollars by Google for going over the
free limit. Similarly, software that doesn't encrypt
would make it simple for anyone to read the key.
Probably a crack of the software could get the
key, but that would likely be more work than it's
worth to hackers.


Just a proxy, so it's possible your own proxying could sidestep it. For
HTTPS, it must install a certificate into the global certificate store
(certmgr.msc) to perform a local man-in-the-middle attack, the same way
anti-virus software (e.g., Avast) manage to intercept HTTPS traffic to
look for malicious content. I also use a stream capture program
(Applian Replay Media Capture) that uses the same technique (proxy with
cert), so it can capture video streams from HTTPS sources. If RMC
crashes, I don't get any web traffic until I clear out the proxy
settings in the OS (Internet options - Connections - LAN settings -
Proxy server). I've been nailed by software not undoing the proxy
setting often enough (upon their exit or upon their crash) that I
created a shortcut that loads a .reg file that clears this proxy setting
rather than drill through the Internet Options wizard to check.

As I recall, Google Chrome will use the global Internet Settings in
Windows. Firefox may, too, but Mozilla likes to internalize such
things. For example, Firefox does not use the global cert store in the
OS and instead uses their own. That meant I couldn't use RMC to capture
HTTPS video streams until Applian figured out how to install a cert in
Firefox's private cert store (but the option to re-insert their cert is
overly buried in RMC's settings).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pTlA3AG4W8
Looks like you have to enable Fiddler to intercept HTTPS.

After enabling Fiddler to intercept HTTPS traffic, look in certmgr.msc
to see if a new certificate got installed. When I do the same in Avast,
it adds an "Avast Web/Mail Shield Root" certificate. Inserting certs
into the local cert store (in a sysprep image for their workstations)
for a MITM interception of encrypted traffic is how many companies can
monitor your traffic using their property (i.e., their workstations and
their network).

I've used Fiddler in the past (which became Fiddler2 and now Fiddler4).
I don't remember any ads in the product to qualify it as adware. I see
they now want an e-mail address and location. Use for
an e-mail address and give them whatever location you (but you'll
probably want to pick something where the official language is the same
as yourself).
  #25  
Old December 7th 18, 08:35 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ralph Fox
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 10:22:08 -0500, Mayayana wrote:

"Ralph Fox" wrote

| Telerik Fiddler can intercept encrypted connections to show
| you the conversation with the web server.
|
| (FYI Telerik Fiddler is not a packet sniffer like Smart
| Sniffer; Telerik Fiddler works like a local web proxy.)
|

Thanks. That looks interesting. I don't think
I care enough to use an adware program that
requires me to give them an email address.


I don't get ads.


But it's interesting to know. I've been working on a
Bing maps program and was just wondering
yesterday whether any tool can get pre-encrypted
data. If it can really do that then it seems it must
be more a hook than a proxy. I call winhttp.
Winhttp calls bing and intitiates a TLS-encrypted
conversation. It seems something like fiddler would
have to hook in between me and winhttp. Or in
the case of a browser, between the browser and
something like crypt32.dll. Do you know what I
mean? Do you happen to know the details of
how that works?



It works as a local web proxy, like I wrote, and not as a hook like
you think.

Fiddler generates a unique root certificate for my installation.
I import this into the browser's certificate store so the browser
will accept SSL certificates from Fiddler's local web proxy and
Fiddler's local web proxy can do a man-in-the-middle interception
of SSL. I keep a separate Firefox profile for this job.

All this information is available on the Telerik Fiddler website.


I was wondering because the REST map apis
for things like Google and Bing require using
a key these days. I'm switching from Google
to Bing because Google just started requiring a
credit card. Bing doesn't, but it does have a
limit. It might be impossible to fully hide the key,
but I'm trying to figure out more. For instance,
someone with a Google account might put the
key in their webpage, have it spread around by
someone in China, and end up being charged
thousands of dollars by Google for going over the
free limit.


Google maps checks the HTTP 'Referer' header. Simply
putting your key in a different website won't work.


Similarly, software that doesn't encrypt
would make it simple for anyone to read the key.
Probably a crack of the software could get the
key, but that would likely be more work than it's
worth to hackers.



--
Kind regards
Ralph

  #26  
Old December 7th 18, 08:42 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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Default Error message "www.thepoachedegg.net redirected you too many times."????

"VanguardLH" wrote

| After enabling Fiddler to intercept HTTPS traffic, look in certmgr.msc
| to see if a new certificate got installed. When I do the same in Avast,
| it adds an "Avast Web/Mail Shield Root" certificate. Inserting certs
| into the local cert store (in a sysprep image for their workstations)
| for a MITM interception of encrypted traffic is how many companies can
| monitor your traffic using their property (i.e., their workstations and
| their network).

I didn't know about this. I've written a MIME
filter before, to sit in front of IE and filter the
pages it gets, but I'm not sure whether that
works with encryption. I'm not clear on the steps.
But it would seem that anything sitting in the
middle also has to intercept the full exchange
and perform its own version of decryption.
Maybe that's why it needs a cert?




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Old December 7th 18, 08:57 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 12:52:11 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

the same way
anti-virus software (e.g., Avast) manage to intercept HTTPS traffic to
look for malicious content.


Exactly.


As I recall, Google Chrome will use the global Internet Settings in
Windows. Firefox may, too, but Mozilla likes to internalize such
things. For example, Firefox does not use the global cert store in the
OS and instead uses their own. That meant I couldn't use RMC to capture
HTTPS video streams until Applian figured out how to install a cert in
Firefox's private cert store (but the option to re-insert their cert is
overly buried in RMC's settings).



* From Fiddler, I export Fiddler's certificate to a file.
* From Firefox, I import the certificate file into Firefox's certificate store.
Options Privacy and Security View Certificates Import

Fiddler itself doesn't need to figure out how to install a cert in
Firefox's private cert store.


After enabling Fiddler to intercept HTTPS traffic, look in certmgr.msc
to see if a new certificate got installed.


The Fiddler instructions say to manually import the certificate into
the Windows certificate store.

https://docs.telerik.com/platform/knowledge-base/how-to/how-to-trust-fiddler-root-certificate


I installed Fiddler from a non-Admin account, so it would not have been
able to update the Windows certificate store in any case.


--
Kind regards
Ralph
  #28  
Old December 7th 18, 10:34 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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Default Error message "www.thepoachedegg.net redirected you too many times."????

"Ralph Fox" wrote

| I was wondering because the REST map apis
| for things like Google and Bing require using
| a key these days. I'm switching from Google
| to Bing because Google just started requiring a
| credit card. Bing doesn't, but it does have a
| limit. It might be impossible to fully hide the key,
| but I'm trying to figure out more. For instance,
| someone with a Google account might put the
| key in their webpage, have it spread around by
| someone in China, and end up being charged
| thousands of dollars by Google for going over the
| free limit.
|
| Google maps checks the HTTP 'Referer' header. Simply
| putting your key in a different website won't work.
|

I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing.
Up until recently no key was even needed. I was
using their maps in my own software. No referrer.
I'm doing that now with Bing.
They both have different categories of usage.
It's possible they check the source in some cases,
such as a corporate in-house usage. Maybe they
check referrers for webpage usage, though I doubt it.
But the usage category I'm dealing with is meant
for public software use, especially phone apps. So
the app and key would stay the same, but the caller
would change. Different IP. No referrer. That means
any number of people can call for maps using the
same key.


  #29  
Old December 8th 18, 01:36 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default Almucantar / Astrolabes, Error message "www.thepoachedegg.net redirected you too many times."????

On Fri, 07 Dec 2018 07:44:12 -0800, "pyotr filipivich"
wrote in article
...

John Jones on Fri, 7 Dec 2018 09:39:35 -0000 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2018 15:06:24 -0800, "pyotr filipivich"
wrote in article
...

VanguardLH on Thu, 6 Dec 2018 16:34:30 -0600 typed in
alt.windows7.general the following:

Let me start by saying "thanks" for all the technical support.


pyotr told use which web browsers he uses but nothing about which
extensions he has installed into each,

Most of which I don't know, nor (sorry to say) do I care enough to
hunt down. If memory serves, I have the barebones loaded.

or what happens when he loads the
web browsers in their safe mode to eliminate modification of content by
any installed extensions. Anti-virus software that interrogates web
traffic can also affect odd behavior in a web page.

Ufda. Like I said, article was not interesting enough for me to
try to get past whatever is going wonky. Such is life - I'm "too
busy" trying to figure out how to map the alumacantor circles for a
Astrolabe. (I can figure out how to do it with a compass and rule
{aka Geometry Old School} but when I trig out the numbers, they're not
making sense. Guess I'm going to have to construct one to scale,
measure the drawing, and work back from that.)



Somewhat OT but youve piqued my interest: google hasnt heard of an
alumacantor so what is it?


Ah, there's the problem, I misspelled it. "Almucantar" from the
Arabic 'sundial'.

You want to look up Astrolabe (the predecessor to the sextant).
The Almucantar circles are how circles of latitude are transferred
from a sphere (the earth) to a plane by stereographic projection.
https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Astrolabe#Construction

While still OT all q interesting.
That's a very good article but I found
https://www.math.ubc.ca/
~cass/courses/m30901a/montero/math309project.html (word wrap)
Slightly easier to read. And it contains a transcript of part of
Chaucer's explanation of use.
I also found a maple treatise where the author complains he could find
no document expounding the calculations so he had to do it all himself.
Trouble is you need maple to read the actual diagrams and they want $239
for a personal licence : so that's that.

The frustrating part of this is that goggling "constructing an
astrolabe" gets all sorts of pre-printed templates, but very little on
the mechanics of calculating where the points for the various
latitudes are located. I found myself measuring the constructed
diagram and seeing if my calculations "worked". Grumble, I had a URL

Indeed. Spherical trig: too many cosines herr mozart.
JJ

  #30  
Old December 8th 18, 05:36 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default Error message "www.thepoachedegg.net redirected you too many times."????

On Thu, 06 Dec 2018 18:14:25 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Thu, 06 Dec 2018 15:06:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Different strokes for different folks.

Like the story about the guy who fell down a well, and while in
the well "found God", that doesn't make pushing people down a well a
valid form of evangelism. B-)


Let us not be hasty in ruling it out, though.


Damn you!!! I was just taking a sip of coffee when I read that. Now I have clean up the
computer room.

--
croy
 




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