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I've used the MS store for the first time tonight, and it's already
causing lots of trouble. All I did is install Netflix, then look at their list of other "apps"*** and install Online Radio -- Free LIve FM and AM** But I looked at the list of "All owned", presumably owned by me, and it didn't include Netflix but it did include Candy Crush Saga, which it claimed I had purchased moments ago. I don't want it and I certainly don't want to pay for it, and I really really don't like them claiming that a dl'd it or that I agreed to puchase it. Then I looked at Installed and it has 17 installed "apps", many of which I don't want. All had modify dates within the last 11 days. ***I was very disappointed in their list, which is nowhere near as good as the PlayStore list. The MS list only has 88 "apps" and they are no better, or worse, than the PlayStore has. Many have included advertising and the number of reviews is a pittance compared to most of the playstore. Plus, maybe most important, there is barely any description before you install the app. **I have Radiomaximus which is great, and also allows on-line recording, and for the modest purchase price allows online recording by timer. It has stations included from all over the world, labeled by country and type of station, but I'm always interested in more stations. |
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micky wrote:
I've used the MS store for the first time tonight, and it's already causing lots of trouble. All I did is install Netflix, This one? https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/netflix/9wzdncrfj3tj then look at their list of other "apps"*** No idea if that means you looked are recommendations by Microsoft's Store ("People also like" list at the bottom of an app's description) or some ad by the Netflix app. But I looked at the list of "All owned", presumably owned by me, and it didn't include Netflix but it did include Candy Crush Saga, which it claimed I had purchased moments ago. I don't want it and I certainly don't want to pay for it, and I really really don't like them claiming that a dl'd it or that I agreed to puchase it. Candy Crush comes pre-installed in every Windows 10 installation, along with Microsoft's Solitaire Collection. I uninstalled both. Candy Crush is inane, and their Solitaire Collection is lureware to get you to pay for more games (well, Candy Crush is lureware, too). Was this the first time you use the Store app on Windows 10 to visit Microsoft's Store? Maybe that's why it thinks you just bought Candy Crush because it was the first time their Store could inventory your system. I uninstalled Candy Crush (and, as I recall, some other inane game) after doing a fresh install of Windows 10 Home x64, so it wasn't on my computer when I later (many months later) decided to run the Store app that also comes in Windows 10. The only WinRT/UWP app that I remember getting from their Store is for Dropbox. Their web site doesn't list anything that I've ordered. Perhaps the only thing they track is what you paid for, not what you downloaded and installed (since that category isn't listed when I go to https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/b/home, login, and click on my name to check my Order History). Maybe if you don't buy something from there that lets Microsoft take a slice of the transaction then they don't bother tracking the free stuff using their web site. I then opened the Store app that comes in Windows 10. Yep, lots listed there and mostly stuff that already comes in Windows 10, like (they don't sort the list by name): Your Phone Spotify Music Dropbox (I remembered downloading that one) Microsoft To-Do (yep, now I remember downloading that one, too) Mixed Reality Portal Paint 3D 3D Viewer XBox Game Bar Windows Alarms PureText (another that I now remember downloading) Windows Voice Windows Maps Windows Calculator Skype Microsoft Messaging Microsoft Sticky Notes Mail and Calendar OneNote (I probably downloaded that one) Paint3D Office (a weblink to their Office site, not a crippled Office suite) Get Help Web Media Extensions Microsoft Store Snip & Sketch HEIF Image Extensions Movies & TV Feedback Hub Xbox Identity Provider Microsoft People MSN Weather Microsoft Photos App Installer Yep, other than the ones that I knew or got prodded to remember that I had downloaded, all those apps are bundled in Windows 10. 3 apps were installed by me. 28 apps came bundled in Windows (would've been more if I still have the pre-installed inane games installed). How could you not know they were already there when you got your new Win10 computer? Some aren't listed because I uninstalled them almost as soon as I started tweaking the OS. I didn't need any of the XBox /stuff/, but they won't let me uninstall the XBox Game Bar. You've never bothered looking at the alphabetized list in the Start menu to see all the fluff that comes pre-installed in Windows 10? and install Online Radio -- Free LIve FM and AM** This one? https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/on...m/9n4hx2x3f88h URLs help to distinguish which app you are talking about because names are often too vague. So, you installed an app just because it got pushed at you? You don't investigate them first, see the reviews, check what other users or reviewers recommend, and choose to get one of those? ***I was very disappointed in their list, which is nowhere near as good as the PlayStore list. The MS list only has 88 "apps" and they are no better, or worse, than the PlayStore has. Many have included advertising and the number of reviews is a pittance compared to most of the playstore. Plus, maybe most important, there is barely any description before you install the app. You really go there to have them push at you what they want you to use? The web site has more screen space than the Store app. I'm pretty sure whatever you see at the web site you can search on and find using the Store app. You should encounter a need, do the research to see which free apps are best, perhaps decide which paid apps would better match your criteria (since most of the free apps are adware, which is the same way on Google's Play Store for Android and Chrome Store), and then go find that app. Dumping every app onto your computer that anyone pushes at you is guaranteed to waste your disk space with apps you'll never or rarely use or quit using after a short trial period. **I have Radiomaximus which is great, and also allows on-line recording, and for the modest purchase price allows online recording by timer. It has stations included from all over the world, labeled by country and type of station, but I'm always interested in more stations. Where'd you find that one? It's not at Microsoft's app Store. http://www.raimersoft.com/radiomaximus.html Doesn't look like a WinRT/UWP app. Looks like a Win32 program. You're mixing apps with programs. |
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micky wrote:
I've used the MS store for the first time tonight, and it's already causing lots of trouble. All I did is install Netflix snip Waiting for your review :-) I can't test it here, because I don't have an account. ******* https://www.tenforums.com/software-a...streaming.html "Netflix simultaneously depress the Shift, Crtl, Alt and S keys to show the Netflix Stream manager. Select the Manual Selection and then the highest bandwidth for the buffering rate. Once you see that the higher buffering rate is in effect, move the video slider back to the starting point to restart the video. The video should now play and buffer at the higher rate that you set. Get rid of the Stream Manager overlay by again simultaneously [pressing] the Shift, Crtl, Alt and S keys." That's only in the App. Paul |
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micky wrote:
it did include Candy Crush Saga, which it claimed I had purchased moments ago. I don't want it and I certainly don't want to pay for it paste this into a .reg file and merge it ... Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Win dows\CloudContent] "DisableWindowsConsumerFeatures"=dword:0000000 1 |
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Andy Burns wrote:
paste this into a .reg file and merge it ... You can then remove the "suggested" games etc, and they won't keep coming back. |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 19 Aug 2019 00:32:57 -0400, Paul
wrote: micky wrote: I've used the MS store for the first time tonight, and it's already causing lots of trouble. All I did is install Netflix snip Waiting for your review :-) I can't test it here, because I don't have an account. Netflix or MS Store? So far you're not missing much with either. I just have a 30 days free trial (and I think they only gave me 28 days) and if I like it enough, I'll extend for a month, or two, but so far it's a nuisance. The rewinding with the app so far is no better than with the webpage. In addition, clicking the mouse with the cursor anywhere on the screen worked in the webpage to pause or play. It has to be on the play or pause button on with the app. WRT the app, while I'm in the process of finding my list of movies/tv shows and looking for the next episode, the app plays both video and sound from some movie they're recommending that I have no interest in. And I wanted to rewind a little at the end of an episode to see who it had been dedicated to, but skipping on to the next episode overlay everything. Everything with them is promotion now. Usually I have a radio or web-radio on and it would interfere with what I'm listening to. I don't turn off my radio until I have something else started. I have to press the left arrow twice for it to rewind -- the first press does nothing -- but after that I think it's the same. OTOH, the webpage had a box "Add to your list +" and I clicked on the plus sign and it said "Deleting", and it deleted one of the 3 items I had in my list. Earlier I went from 3 to 1 for some unknown reason. (I had restored the 2 that disappeared.) There might be more differences but I just had time etc. to watch starting 10 minutes ago. But I can tellyou that unless I find something much better about the app than the webpage, I'm going back to the webpage. Pretty sure it uses less resources since FFox is already open, the one main thing I didn't like is no better in the app, and more importantly, usage is different and I don't want to have to learn two sets of rules. ******* https://www.tenforums.com/software-a...streaming.html "Netflix simultaneously depress the Shift, Crtl, Alt and S keys to show the Netflix Stream manager. Select the Manual Selection This didn't do anything. ;-( Both the page and the app don't show a Help button. And they have no Settings. The other "app" in installed tonight, Online Radio Free live FM AM, is not good either. It has no Help and no Settings that I've found and it's nowhere near as, 100 times less, versatile as RadioMaximus. It has "Recomended" which show no pattern and must be just the ones that paid them. It has Favorite which so far is empty. It does have Genres. That's good. I want something to fall asleep to when all the talk radio is boring, violent (about sex crimes or something), or hostile. So it has Relax, Relaxing music, but I found it too fast and too loud. One station, Ambient Sleeping Pill did nothing but rumble for 3 minutes. Gimme a break It had Cherie FM Ballads and 4 other stations, that's all. It has Romantic, and under that is again Cherie FM Ballads which I played for 30 minutes and I don't think I heard a single ballad. And it Radio Soft which was not soft IMO and the spoken words were in Scandinavian or German. This category has only 5 stations total. and then the highest bandwidth for the buffering rate. Once you see that the higher buffering rate is in effect, move the video slider back to the starting point to restart the video. The video should now play and buffer at the higher rate that you set. Get rid of the Stream Manager overlay by again simultaneously [pressing] the Shift, Crtl, Alt and S keys." Couldn't even get the first step to work. next time I reastart windows, I'll do Netflix first before FFox, Eudora, or Agent, and maybe it will work like it says to. That's only in the App. Paul |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 19 Aug 2019 07:23:59 +0100, Andy
Burns wrote: micky wrote: it did include Candy Crush Saga, which it claimed I had purchased moments ago. I don't want it and I certainly don't want to pay for it paste this into a .reg file and merge it ... Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Win dows\CloudContent] "DisableWindowsConsumerFeatures"=dword:0000000 1 That's great Andy. Thanks (and I read your next post too.) I'll do it tomorrow when I'm not sleepy. This is what I meant in my post a minute ago in this thread that it's all about promotion. "Consumer features", a euphemism. |
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micky wrote:
I've used the MS store for the first time tonight, and it's already causing lots of trouble. All I did is install Netflix, then look at their list of other "apps"*** and install Online Radio -- Free LIve FM and AM** But I looked at the list of "All owned", presumably owned by me, and it didn't include Netflix but it did include Candy Crush Saga, which it claimed I had purchased moments ago. I don't want it and I certainly don't want to pay for it, and I really really don't like them claiming that a dl'd it or that I agreed to puchase it. Welcome to windows bloat! You'll probably have several other games too. You didn't buy them; they just come with windows. I was most annoyed when I first installed Windows 10 as one of the first things it did was update all these stupid programs I never wanted in the first place. Deleted them straight away. |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 19 Aug 2019 03:33:11 -0400, micky
wrote: I can't test it here, because I don't have an account. Netflix or MS Store? So far you're not missing much with either. I guess this is not fair. Netflix has annoyances, like a webpage designed by an advertising agent instead of a programmer, but it does have a very large number of movies and tv shows, including foreign ones with subtites and after the free 30 days it's 8 or 9 dollar a month. For twice that price, I can watch 4 shows at once. When I got back from my long trip, I couldnt' find the remote control tot he DVDR and could only watch whatever station the timer recorded something on. It went back and forth for 5 days so it depended on what time of day I turned it on. After weeks Icame across the remote so everything I recorded while away and after I got back, I have to watch eventually, plus newsgroups. I just don't have enough time for many netflix flicks. |
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Andy Burns wrote:
micky wrote: it did include Candy Crush Saga, which it claimed I had purchased moments ago. I don't want it and I certainly don't want to pay for it paste this into a .reg file and merge it ... Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Win dows\CloudContent] "DisableWindowsConsumerFeatures"=dword:0000000 1 I don't have this. In fact, I don't have the CloudContent subkey. I uninstalled Candy Crush quite a long time ago in a prior build. That build lasted 4 months, Candy Crush was uninstalled pretty quick, like after updating Windows 10 (1809), and Candy Crush never came back. Alas, the mobo had firmware issues with driver installs (the system would instantly hang), so the mobo had to get replaced (and that same brand and model worked fine for driver installs). In the next build (1903), it's only about 2 weeks old, Candy Crush was uninstalled, still hasn't come back. With Candy Crush, I also uninstalled Microsoft's Solitaire collection which was lureware, and tons of glitz that interferred with getting to and playing the games. That never came back, either. Any idea how long it takes Microsoft to reinstall the uninstalled fluff apps? I thought Microsoft was pushing that back on their user's computers in about 1 to 2 days. According to some author's on how to disable the auto-reinstall, they said there was an App Updater startup program (Task Manager - Startup tab). It's not in my setup. That's not the same as App Installer which is to WinRT/UWP apps what MSI is to Win32 programs. Just because you create a registry entry that used to work doesn't mean it continues to work. I'm not sure the CloudContent subkey is honored anymore. https://www.howtogeek.com/248177/wha...ersary-update/ Some useful group policy options no longer function on Windows 10 Professional and require Windows 10 Enterprise or Education. These include the ability to disable the lock screen, tips, and ´Microsoft consumer experience¡ that downloads apps like Candy Crush Saga. Well, if they're ****ing over Pro users, and since Home users are considered by Microsoft as fair game for beta testing, seems they'd do the same with their Home edition. I didn't see CandyCrush return, and I never created nor does exist the CloudContent subkey with its DisableWindowsConsumerFeatures data item set to 1 in my setup. I wonder if this registry key and other schemes to decrapify Windows 10 still apply. Lots of old info continues to get proliferated (and plagarized) long after it is inapplicable. Microsoft said "as an added bonus, Candy Crush Saga will automatically be installed for customers that upgrade to or download Windows 10 for periods of time following the game launch." Well, launches expires, so maybe the push is over for Candy Crush. It's gone. https://mspoweruser.com/rejoice-wind...-finally-gone/ Then 10 days later: It's back. https://news.softpedia.com/news/not-...3-525813.shtml |
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VanguardLH wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Win dows\CloudContent] "DisableWindowsConsumerFeatures"=dword:0000000 1 I don't have this. No, you have to create the entries, rather than just set them. In fact, I don't have the CloudContent subkey. I uninstalled Candy Crush quite a long time ago in a prior build. That build lasted 4 months, Candy Crush was uninstalled pretty quick, like after updating Windows 10 (1809), and Candy Crush never came back. I think it tends to affect Home edition, but seems to vary depending on the OEM, laptops bought from PCworld etc seem worse, and if you remove it, it just re-installs it. Any idea how long it takes Microsoft to reinstall the uninstalled fluff apps? I've seen it come back in minutes. I'm not sure the CloudContent subkey is honored anymore. who knows, the landscape changes every 6 months now. |
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"VanguardLH" wrote
| I then opened the Store app that comes in Windows 10. Yep, lots listed | there and mostly stuff that already comes in Windows 10, like (they | don't sort the list by name): | | Your Phone | Spotify Music | Dropbox (I remembered downloading that one) | Microsoft To-Do (yep, now I remember downloading that one, too) | Mixed Reality Portal | Paint 3D | 3D Viewer | XBox Game Bar | Windows Alarms | PureText (another that I now remember downloading) | Windows Voice | Windows Maps | Windows Calculator | Skype | Microsoft Messaging | Microsoft Sticky Notes | Mail and Calendar | OneNote (I probably downloaded that one) | Paint3D | Office (a weblink to their Office site, not a crippled Office suite) | Get Help | Web Media Extensions | Microsoft Store | Snip & Sketch | HEIF Image Extensions | Movies & TV | Feedback Hub | Xbox Identity Provider | Microsoft People | MSN Weather | Microsoft Photos | App Installer | I just read that MS are planning to remove Paint and Wordpad. I guess that makes sense. It's a gradual transformation from a productivity device to a services kiosk. Happy shopping. I'm a little surprised, though, that no legal authorities or competing companies are complaining about them including XBox, Office, Skype, etc. For a long time they were careful not to bundle competitive software. Now they're loading the system with it, and I saw recently that their Windows Essentials security software is now top-rated. |
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Mayayana wrote:
I just read that MS are planning to remove Paint and Wordpad. I guess that makes sense. It's a gradual transformation from a productivity device to a services kiosk. Happy shopping. I remember reading in the past about Microsoft removing Paint, but it remained. I don't recall seeing they were going to remove WordPad. I'm a little surprised, though, that no legal authorities or competing companies are complaining about them including XBox, Office, Skype, etc. For a long time they were careful not to bundle competitive software. Now they're loading the system with it, and I saw recently that their Windows Essentials security software is now top-rated. The "Office" that comes in Windows 10 is neither a program nor an app. It is a webcentric portal to their live.com/office.com services. When I go into the Word component of the Office portal app, I can indeed create a new document but it'll be in the OneDrive component of their online service. OneDrive is their web file manager for their web apps in online Office. If you don't mind having all your docs up on their servers (i.e., in the cloud) then you get full functionality ... well, you get what their online Office apps will give you (the same as if you want to While I can use their webclient to use online Word, the local "Office" portal app has problems retrieving templates. It says "We're having trouble getting templates. Please try again later." The templates are shown when I use their webclient. I haven't compared the free Word, Excel, and PowerPoint apps on my Android smartphone to the online Office apps to see how they compare for feature sets. I don't know that anyone is trying to sue Microsoft over having online services that compete with there own similar online services. Google has their online office webapps, too. I suppose they can argue "Hey, we're not just pre-loading apps and links to our services but also for 3rd parties", like maybe while drowing in bundled superfluous apps you won't notice some are for Microsoft. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/micr...or-windows-10/ Back in Dec 2018, the portal app was usable by those that had an Office 365 account. Not sure why you'd care about the portal app if you had an Office 365 subscription since that gave you the full suite of local programs (run on your PC and docs are local unless you choose to put them into the local OneDrive folder to sync to your online account). Maybe it was to let users access via portal their Office 365 subscription on the web on other Win10 hosts where the Office suite wasn't installed. If I was wandering between hosts, especially not owned by me, I'd probably just use their webclients (via web browser). The editor added a note to the above article saying "The Office app for Windows 10 is now available to anyone with a Microsoft Account." I used to have an Office 365 subscription but let it expire about 2 months ago, yet I can use the Office portal app in Windows 10. So, it appears Microsoft lifted the Office 365 subscription requirement to let their portal app display their web services. Their web apps don't have all the functionality compared to their suite of local programs. Doesn't take long to realize their Outlook web app falls short of Outlook 2016/2019, but it's good enough for many users. I almost thinking Microsoft intends to dump their Office software and go with a portal to their free online Office services. I've read that Microsoft is planning to discontinue the Outlook program, so you're stuck using their portal app or a web browser to their web apps. Well, it won't take long for many users to run out of space with the initial starter quota of only 5GB in the OneDrive service. Microsoft will turn from making money on the software to making money on their services, especially by selling more storage quota. Google starts you with, I think, 15GB for a starter quota. You can buy more but apparently you can earn more over time. I've never paid anything for more storage quota at Google [Drive] yet they've gradually upped me to 115GB. While I have some data-only backups stored at Google Drive (and photos where they are allowed to resize don't count against the quota, so all my pics there are stored for free), I rarely use OneDrive because its storage quota is small. About the only time I used OneDrive is when I want a file accessible via the web to another host. I even have a Dropbox account with its measly 2GB storage quota (no, I'm not spamming them to earn more quota that way) which is only used to put online files or images that I share, like when I take a screenshot, share it, and show a URL to it to someone else, but those files don't last very long there. I've not gotten into gamining consoles, so I'm uneducated as to who are the Xbox competitors unless I go researching on the web. Since it seems the Win10 Xbox apps are to interface with their Xbox console, I don't see how those apps could be construed as competitive. Microsoft providing apps to Microsoft stuff. I haven't bother using Windows Essentials (or whatever it was called back then) since a short trial back in Windows 7 (I skipped Vista and never bothered with 8). It was Microsoft's answer to their Defender which was, at that time, only an anti-spyware detector. They didn't add anti-virus protection until Defender in Windows 8. According to the comparatives, Defender (in 8 and 10) comes within a percentage or two of Avast and Avira. Their Fortinet was considered good before, so they could migrate that technology minus domain support, IT management, and all the enterprise-only features over to the consumer-grade Defender. |
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"VanguardLH" wrote
| Mayayana wrote: | | I just read that MS are planning to remove Paint | and Wordpad. I guess that makes sense. It's a gradual | transformation from a productivity device to a services | kiosk. Happy shopping. | | I remember reading in the past about Microsoft removing Paint, but it | remained. I don't recall seeing they were going to remove WordPad. | Actually I misspoke. I looked up the link to post and realized that what they said is Paint and Wordpad will be removable, not removed. And they'll be added to the store. Interesting description you gave of Office. I knew about MS Office. I knew about Office 365. I didn't know there was a half-assed, free web portal office. I assume you're using this stuff mostly out of curiosity. I don't see why anyone would normally want to use that portal or Google docs, much less both. But I have noticed that Google docs is getting very popular. People send links to me. But I can't see anything. I'm not about to let Google run script on my machine. The source code for a Google doc link is not a webpage in any normal sense. It's a piece of javascript software. I don't even know whether Google would require me to sign up in order to see these docs. And I'm not curious to find out. I just tell people that if they want me to see their file then they'll have to send me their file. Maybe the Google docs popularity is due to so much being done on phones? It doesn't make sense to me, letting sleazy, spyware companies own both your software and your files, when things like Libre Office are free. |
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Mayayana wrote:
"VanguardLH" wrote | Mayayana wrote: | | I just read that MS are planning to remove Paint | and Wordpad. I guess that makes sense. It's a gradual | transformation from a productivity device to a services | kiosk. Happy shopping. | | I remember reading in the past about Microsoft removing Paint, but it | remained. I don't recall seeing they were going to remove WordPad. | Actually I misspoke. I looked up the link to post and realized that what they said is Paint and Wordpad will be removable, not removed. And they'll be added to the store. The same for the Mail, People, and Calendar apps bundled with Win10. Maybe they noticed all the articles on how to use Powershell to remove packages, so making an app uninstallable was a wasted effort to keep it installed. Interesting description you gave of Office. I knew about MS Office. I knew about Office 365. I didn't know there was a half-assed, free web portal office. I assume you're using this stuff mostly out of curiosity. Mostly I looked at using their online web apps via local app portal to see how much they were usabled. Well, I had already used their online web apps before and was disappointed, so no different using a portal to them. I have trialed alternates of MS Office but gave up on them for various reasons. I currently have LibreOffice installed but I'm getting weary of digging around trying to find a function that's stuffed somewhere that doesn't make sense. They tried adding their own ribbon toolbar (aka ribbonbar) but it's not that intelligent and is beta. I had Office 365 and might go back to it, as I find the Mail, Calendar, and People WinRT/UWP apps to be just minimally acceptable. Now that some others in the family are interested in getting later versions of MS Office, the cost per person is lower than just me buying an Office 365. Last time it took awhile to find a reputable seller but found someone at eBay that sold the 1-year subscription cards at $33 apiece (I bought 3 to get a 3-year subscription term). I'm sure not paying Microsoft's $99 price per card per year. The 1 TB storage quota was nice, though. |
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