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Old May 27th 19, 06:16 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Sun, 26 May 2019 15:35:25 -0600, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 26 May 2019 13:52:42 -0600, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 26 May 2019 11:02:53 -0600, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

wrote:
I am finally reaching the point that too many things are not
supporting XP and I am moving over to the dark side.
I didn't see a W/7 group anywhere near this one in the list.

If you want, just make sure you're using the latest XP versions of FF
(52.9esr) and Chrome (49.0), and you might get a little more mileage
with XP, in so far as browser limitations are as a limiting factor.
Programs are obviously another matter. BTW, you'll probably want to
consider adding Classic Shell to Windows 7 once you get there.


Is that something else or just clicking classic in the personalization
(or whatever). I did do that and things got more familiar. I do have
one machine on 7 now that seems fairly usable for my day to day.
The other 2 are just used as media machines and I don't really do much
else with them. (hooked to TVs)
My problem is the new FF 52.9 still will not stream a lot of stuff. It
was easier to just go dig out the original W/7 drives that were in
them when I got them and boot them up.
I poked around in the alt W/7 group and saw them talking about PC
Mover. Can you really port over all of your XP installed stuff to 7
with that? (assuming it will run on 7) Is there a legacy mode that
will let you run them?
I was really happy that my long lost buddy Attila the Hungarian wrote
his 20th century DOS MP3 player so it would run on 7 without doing
anything extra.
That was just a "copy and run it" thing.

Here is a link for Classic Shell:
http://www.classicshell.net/

When FF fails to work properly on some sites, I fall back to Chrome,
which might work for your streaming issue. There is also the
possibility of needing some additional codec software for FF to enable
some better video playback capabilities, but that can get a bit
complicated to track down and resolve.

I figured out it was just easier to load 7 on my media machines than
try to jury rig XP to run all of those things that black box and say
"Upgrade your browser".

PC Mover does let you port your XP stuff over to Windows 7, or at least
the old versions of PC Mover did. Not sure if the latest version does,
so you would have to find an older version on eBay. My guess is the
current version won't, since Laplink most likely doesn't want to
"support" XP transitions anymore.

Can't you just have both drives in the machine and let mover move it
... or use the LAN?
I guess I will have to do more digging on this myself. I just heard
about it today.


PC Mover is in charge of the process, and what it will and will not install
on - it's not a dumb file copy process. The way it worked for me was with
the specially supplied USB cable connecting the two PCs together. The
process took a bit of time (both setting up correctly and running), and
wasn't completely seemless, in that a few apps still had to be "reinstalled"
due to some licensing issues or whatever, but most did not. And keep in
mind it's locked to the original PCs it's installed on. I think you have to
have two separate PC's for it to work. Just go to their web site and read
more about it. I just looked, and it seems the current version can indeed
work on XP (for the source). The user manuals are there too.

https://web.laplink.com/pcmover_feature_overview/

OK I will know how this worked pretty soon. I got mover pro and used
the option of putting the W/7 drive in my XP machine, booting it and
doing a direct move. It said 9 minutes but I am about 35 in and 2/3ds
done.
Stay tuned.
My agent was on the D drive and it is not an "installed" program so it
runs fine without doing anything.
I may leave both of them in here a while in case I need to go looking
for something that didn't move over.
Thanks for your help. You guys are great.
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Old May 27th 19, 06:51 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
Ah, a venerable name: I remember a "laplink cable" being one for
transferring files between two PCs via the parallel ports! (There was
also a serial one, but - in those days - the parallel went a lot more
quickly.)


I have used both. I remember parallel laplink really hogged CPU.
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Old May 27th 19, 07:14 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Sun, 26 May 2019 20:50:25 -0600, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 26 May 2019 15:35:25 -0600, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 26 May 2019 13:52:42 -0600, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 26 May 2019 11:02:53 -0600, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

wrote:
I am finally reaching the point that too many things are not
supporting XP and I am moving over to the dark side.
I didn't see a W/7 group anywhere near this one in the list.

If you want, just make sure you're using the latest XP versions of
FF (52.9esr) and Chrome (49.0), and you might get a little more
mileage with XP, in so far as browser limitations are as a limiting
factor. Programs are obviously another matter. BTW, you'll probably
want to consider adding Classic Shell to Windows 7 once you get
there.


Is that something else or just clicking classic in the personalization
(or whatever). I did do that and things got more familiar. I do have
one machine on 7 now that seems fairly usable for my day to day.
The other 2 are just used as media machines and I don't really do much
else with them. (hooked to TVs)
My problem is the new FF 52.9 still will not stream a lot of stuff. It
was easier to just go dig out the original W/7 drives that were in
them when I got them and boot them up.
I poked around in the alt W/7 group and saw them talking about PC
Mover. Can you really port over all of your XP installed stuff to 7
with that? (assuming it will run on 7) Is there a legacy mode that
will let you run them?
I was really happy that my long lost buddy Attila the Hungarian wrote
his 20th century DOS MP3 player so it would run on 7 without doing
anything extra.
That was just a "copy and run it" thing.

Here is a link for Classic Shell:
http://www.classicshell.net/

When FF fails to work properly on some sites, I fall back to Chrome,
which might work for your streaming issue. There is also the
possibility of needing some additional codec software for FF to enable
some better video playback capabilities, but that can get a bit
complicated to track down and resolve.

I figured out it was just easier to load 7 on my media machines than
try to jury rig XP to run all of those things that black box and say
"Upgrade your browser".

PC Mover does let you port your XP stuff over to Windows 7, or at least
the old versions of PC Mover did. Not sure if the latest version does,
so you would have to find an older version on eBay. My guess is the
current version won't, since Laplink most likely doesn't want to
"support" XP transitions anymore.

Can't you just have both drives in the machine and let mover move it
... or use the LAN?
I guess I will have to do more digging on this myself. I just heard
about it today.

PC Mover is in charge of the process, and what it will and will not
install on - it's not a dumb file copy process. The way it worked for
me was with the specially supplied USB cable connecting the two PCs
together. The process took a bit of time (both setting up correctly and
running), and wasn't completely seemless, in that a few apps still had
to be "reinstalled" due to some licensing issues or whatever, but most
did not. And keep in mind it's locked to the original PCs it's
installed on. I think you have to have two separate PC's for it to
work. Just go to their web site and read more about it. I just looked,
and it seems the current version can indeed work on XP (for the source).
The user manuals are there too.

https://web.laplink.com/pcmover_feature_overview/


Thanks I am talking to then now. They are telling me I need the pro
version but they are selling me one for $48


Good. Just be prepared to spend a bit of time being careful in what you
select to move over, when you look at all the program lists (which have
checkboxes). And be sure to set aside enough time to do this whole thing,
like perhaps a couple of hours or so (total time including setup, I mean).
I used the supplied USB 2.0 Laplink cable for the transfer.

In general, I was pretty happy with the results, as there was no way I
wanted to install Windows 7 fresh and start all over again - not with the
abundance of programs I've collected and installed over the past few
decades.

I am done. A lot of stuff did not port over but so far it all seems to
be running OK if I start it from the G drive (my XP C) that confuses
me because I assumed it would need files in the registry. It is
getting late so tomorrow is another day.
I really don't understand all I know about this process. I suspect I
will be screwing with this for days. I may end up with 5 drives in
this machine if simply manually copying the programs over won't work.
I will try that first as soon as I figure out everything that didn't
come over.
One annoying thing is it seemed to wipe out my W/7 authorization. I
was lucky I could still find the right numbers and it verified OK but
it had me worried for a few minutes.
Thanks again for your help.
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Old May 27th 19, 01:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Ant wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
Ah, a venerable name: I remember a "laplink cable" being one for
transferring files between two PCs via the parallel ports! (There was
also a serial one, but - in those days - the parallel went a lot more
quickly.)


I have used both. I remember parallel laplink really hogged CPU.


There is a USB3 version of the Easy Transfer cable now.
But you'll see reports of "sub" USB3 speeds. There is only
one review here, and the purchaser got 100MB/sec from the cable.
That's probably 200 times the rate of a parallel port version.
Since Prolific made the USB2 version, it might involve
a Prolific chip inside the dongle (they probably don't
make a lot of these chips, might take a while to recoup
their engineering expenses).

https://www.amazon.ca/STARTECH-USB3L...ustomerReviews

The USB versions use bidirectional FIFOs inside the dongle,
so that peers can talk to one another. Each "computer" thinks
what it sees on its end of the dongle is a "peripheral" of
some sort.

The parallel port ones would be limited by the transfer
strobe method used on such interfaces.

Paul
 




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