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about open source vs proprietary and, enduser issues Howdo i tell Thunderbird to stop what is doing so i can write an email
pyotr filipivich wrote:
"Carlos E.R." on Sun, 26 May 2019 22:43:46 +0200 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: On 26/05/2019 17.57, pyotr filipivich wrote: "David E. Ross" on Sat, 25 May 2019 21:32:47 -0700 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: On 5/25/2019 8:06 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote: Paul on Sat, 25 May 2019 20:57:08 -0400 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: pyotr filipivich wrote: Yikes on Sat, 25 May 2019 14:32:34 -0700 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: Danm thing clogs up my access to even just typing into the email composer !!! mozilla is junk software ! but that is what I have. On my Win XP Pro laptop. NEVER going to later Win cause I have NO money to throw away at M$. Quite honestly, that's not he only program I wish I had a "shut up and sit down" button. Source is available. It can't be that hard to fix, can it ? :-/ Hard for who? I mean, everything is within walking distance, if you keep at it long enough. The problem are the programs without source code. Thunderbird is open source, which means the source code is available. While Open Source is a wonder thing, there still remains the small detail that it is really only "open" to those who know the language exceedingly well. Or you may have the money to pay somebody to do it for you, or you may sweet talk somebody :-) Given the resources, even "proprietary software" can be made open source. Just decompile the executable, and "viola! you're in like a porch climber." You do not have all the fancy variable and function names like one does wit the original source code, but ... 90% of the source code of Thunderbird, is a copy of Firefox source. There's even a .mozconfig option to "build browser", instead of building Thunderbird, to verify a viable browser exists inside the code. The browser code contributes a copy of "XUL.dll". And that's some kind of browser engine. (On Linux, it would be XUL.so.) Thunderbird has an XML file, which generates the three-pane view window. When Thunderbird has an engine problem, it crashes to a yellow screen, where the name of the XML file is printed in black letters along with the details of the problem. The rest of the Thunderbird code then, decorates the three pane view, and implements email and NNTP protocols. The fun begins, when all sorts of asynchronous activities take place. Thunderbird strives to open more connections to the server, than the limit set in about:config, the server accepts some of the connections and not others, and the groups are "updated" out of order. Similarly, if could start compacting groups any old time. At one time, the activities were serialized a bit better. It's possible to do parallel activities in the background and "consolidate" them so it looks like the activity is serializes. Some build/compile environments do this, say use four processor cores, yet print information on the screen as if the compiles were happening serially one after another. So it is possible to make it look a bit better. Thunderbird just seems to let it all hang out, which leaves a bad impression about your ability to "STOP" it or control it in any way. There are things you could do to the UI, to make this appear more orderly and more "in control". Paul |
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about open source vs proprietary and, enduser issues How do i tell Thunderbird to stop what is doing so i can write an email
On Mon, 27 May 2019 08:58:14 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: "Carlos E.R." on Sun, 26 May 2019 22:43:46 +0200 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: On 26/05/2019 17.57, pyotr filipivich wrote: "David E. Ross" on Sat, 25 May 2019 21:32:47 -0700 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: On 5/25/2019 8:06 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote: Paul on Sat, 25 May 2019 20:57:08 -0400 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: pyotr filipivich wrote: Yikes on Sat, 25 May 2019 14:32:34 -0700 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: Danm thing clogs up my access to even just typing into the email composer !!! mozilla is junk software ! but that is what I have. On my Win XP Pro laptop. NEVER going to later Win cause I have NO money to throw away at M$. Quite honestly, that's not he only program I wish I had a "shut up and sit down" button. Source is available. It can't be that hard to fix, can it ? :-/ Hard for who? I mean, everything is within walking distance, if you keep at it long enough. The problem are the programs without source code. Thunderbird is open source, which means the source code is available. While Open Source is a wonder thing, there still remains the small detail that it is really only "open" to those who know the language exceedingly well. Or you may have the money to pay somebody to do it for you, or you may sweet talk somebody :-) Given the resources, even "proprietary software" can be made open source. Just decompile the executable, and "viola! you're in like a porch climber." Cello! What's a porch climber? |
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about open source vs proprietary and, enduser issues How do i tell Thunderbird to stop what is doing so i can write an email
On Mon, 27 May 2019 14:30:26 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote: On Mon, 27 May 2019 08:58:14 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote: "Carlos E.R." on Sun, 26 May 2019 22:43:46 +0200 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: On 26/05/2019 17.57, pyotr filipivich wrote: "David E. Ross" on Sat, 25 May 2019 21:32:47 -0700 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: On 5/25/2019 8:06 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote: Paul on Sat, 25 May 2019 20:57:08 -0400 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: pyotr filipivich wrote: Yikes on Sat, 25 May 2019 14:32:34 -0700 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: Danm thing clogs up my access to even just typing into the email composer !!! mozilla is junk software ! but that is what I have. On my Win XP Pro laptop. NEVER going to later Win cause I have NO money to throw away at M$. Quite honestly, that's not he only program I wish I had a "shut up and sit down" button. Source is available. It can't be that hard to fix, can it ? :-/ Hard for who? I mean, everything is within walking distance, if you keep at it long enough. The problem are the programs without source code. Thunderbird is open source, which means the source code is available. While Open Source is a wonder thing, there still remains the small detail that it is really only "open" to those who know the language exceedingly well. Or you may have the money to pay somebody to do it for you, or you may sweet talk somebody :-) Given the resources, even "proprietary software" can be made open source. Just decompile the executable, and "viola! you're in like a porch climber." Cello! What's a porch climber? Bass! I think it's a burglar who prefers to enter through a second story window or door, (first story in Europe). One way to get up there might be to climb a trellis attached to the porch. As a result, he'd be referred to as a porch climber. I just made that up. Let's see if I'm close. :-) |
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How do i tell Thunderbird to stop what is doing so i can write anemail ????
Just FYI
I write code, millions of lines over the decades. Even an app running in a single thread can have a way out for every involved routine (method). If it is a possible hang (to the user) problem then using an out of process helper routine gets its own thread and will not in any way disturb the parent apps thread. With multi-thread apps it is a piece of cake to exit any method at any time and schedule to come back and complete or MOST importantly to relinquish itself for as long as it needs to a more important call as from a user wanting to actually do something. Time slices ! Anyway, time slices are what a good OS does properly. The writers on the code that do not do that are not interested in writing code for users ! BURN ! I see that all the time, code written by engineers or programmers that are written for themselves but not for users. Their mindset is not properly oriented. AKA Windows, Firefox, Thunderbird, Seamonkey, etc. Sad. Yikes wrote: Danm thing clogs up my access to even just typing into the email composer !!! mozilla is junk software ! but that is what I have. On my Win XP Pro laptop. NEVER going to later Win cause I have NO money to throw away at M$. |
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about open source vs proprietary and, enduser issues How do i tell Thunderbird to stop what is doing so i can write an email
Char Jackson on Mon, 27 May 2019 17:05:20 -0500
typed in alt.windows7.general the following: While Open Source is a wonder thing, there still remains the small detail that it is really only "open" to those who know the language exceedingly well. Or you may have the money to pay somebody to do it for you, or you may sweet talk somebody :-) Given the resources, even "proprietary software" can be made open source. Just decompile the executable, and "viola! you're in like a porch climber." Cello! What's a porch climber? Bass! I think it's a burglar who prefers to enter through a second story window or door, (first story in Europe). One way to get up there might be to climb a trellis attached to the porch. As a result, he'd be referred to as a porch climber. I just made that up. Let's see if I'm close. :-) Beats the heck out of me. I heard it in a Hudson & Landry sketch "Ajax Mortuary". "I'm looking for a funeral house.." "You're in like a porch climber. 'Ajax Mortuary is the name, Death is the game.'." "well deal me in, my brother's dead." Various slang dictionaries have it variously as a cat burglar, or a drunk. tschus -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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about open source vs proprietary and, enduser issues How do i tell Thunderbird to stop what is doing so i can write an email
On Mon, 27 May 2019 22:02:23 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: Char Jackson on Mon, 27 May 2019 17:05:20 -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: While Open Source is a wonder thing, there still remains the small detail that it is really only "open" to those who know the language exceedingly well. Or you may have the money to pay somebody to do it for you, or you may sweet talk somebody :-) Given the resources, even "proprietary software" can be made open source. Just decompile the executable, and "viola! you're in like a porch climber." Cello! What's a porch climber? Bass! I think it's a burglar who prefers to enter through a second story window or door, (first story in Europe). One way to get up there might be to climb a trellis attached to the porch. As a result, he'd be referred to as a porch climber. I just made that up. Let's see if I'm close. :-) Beats the heck out of me. I heard it in a Hudson & Landry sketch "Ajax Mortuary". "I'm looking for a funeral house.." "You're in like a porch climber. 'Ajax Mortuary is the name, Death is the game.'." "well deal me in, my brother's dead." Various slang dictionaries have it variously as a cat burglar, or a drunk. When I was a kid, we had a Hudson & Landry 8-track tape in the car and on longer trips my dad would play it all the way through, so I'm familiar with the Ajax bits but didn't remember that line. My favorite was Ajax Liquor Store. For a long time, we only had 3 8-track tapes in the car: Hudson & Landry, Dean Martin, and the guy who did all of the Clint Eastwood spaghetti western movie themes, (Ennio Morricone). When dad bought Carly Simon's No Secrets, we thought we were so in with the times. Four tapes to choose from was a big deal. After we heard everything once, all the way through, mom would go back to Dean Martin and just leave it there. |
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about open source vs proprietary and, enduser issues How do itell Thunderbird to stop what is doing so i can write an email
On 27/05/2019 17.58, pyotr filipivich wrote:
"Carlos E.R." on Sun, 26 May 2019 22:43:46 +0200 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: On 26/05/2019 17.57, pyotr filipivich wrote: "David E. Ross" on Sat, 25 May 2019 21:32:47 -0700 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: On 5/25/2019 8:06 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote: Paul on Sat, 25 May 2019 20:57:08 -0400 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: pyotr filipivich wrote: Yikes on Sat, 25 May 2019 14:32:34 -0700 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: Danm thing clogs up my access to even just typing into the email composer !!! mozilla is junk software ! but that is what I have. On my Win XP Pro laptop. NEVER going to later Win cause I have NO money to throw away at M$. Quite honestly, that's not he only program I wish I had a "shut up and sit down" button. Source is available. It can't be that hard to fix, can it ? :-/ Hard for who? I mean, everything is within walking distance, if you keep at it long enough. The problem are the programs without source code. Thunderbird is open source, which means the source code is available. While Open Source is a wonder thing, there still remains the small detail that it is really only "open" to those who know the language exceedingly well. Or you may have the money to pay somebody to do it for you, or you may sweet talk somebody :-) Given the resources, even "proprietary software" can be made open source. Just decompile the executable, and "viola! you're in like a porch climber." You do not have all the fancy variable and function names like one does wit the original source code, but ... Nor the comments or explanations, nor constant names. Once I was given a C program to "finish up". The preceding developer erased all comments, renamed all vars to A, B, C etc. C constants to the GUI constructs were replaced with their values. It was a nightmare. Before being able to add a single element to a GUI dialog I had to reconstruct everything, debug everything, which took months of work. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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about open source vs proprietary and, enduser issues How do i tell Thunderbird to stop what is doing so i can write an email
"Carlos E.R." on Tue, 28 May 2019 15:29:34
+0200 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: Once I was given a C program to "finish up". The preceding developer erased all comments, renamed all vars to A, B, C etc. C constants to the GUI constructs were replaced with their values. It was a nightmare. Before being able to add a single element to a GUI dialog I had to reconstruct everything, debug everything, which took months of work. There is "job security", and then that. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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