Keyboards

"David E. Ross" wrote in message ...

On 4/25/2014 2:50 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 4/25/14 3:27 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
Over 6 months ago, I had to get a new PC when my old one died. The new
PC came with a black keyboard.

My home office (I'm retired) has a large, north-facing window. During
the daytime, there is ample indirect light even on overcast days.
Unless I turn on the interior lights, however, I cannot see (with my
72-year-old eyes) the individual keys i order to position my hands
correctly on the keyboard.

Today, I went shopping for a replacement keyboard. I visited two
brick-and-mortar chain stores (a misnomer here in southern California,
where brick buildings are not allowed because of earthquakes) and two
online "stores". The only keyboards I could find are all black or very
dark gray.

Are there no tan or other light-colored keyboards available any more?


How about...

http://tinyurl.com/mbhgetl
http://tinyurl.com/jw4qnag
http://tinyurl.com/n6kzp8u
http://tinyurl.com/nxouok9
http://tinyurl.com/n5c5sfa


I'm not recommending anything, including Amazon, just picked some
possibilities that might work for you.

I just now ordered one of the Amazon keyboards.


Curious why you didn't take the free trial of Amazon Prime and get free
shipping? That would have saved you around $10, I believe.
I finally found out the keyboard was the Microsoft Wired Keyboard 200 for
Business (White).
I might even buy one.
Post back on how you like it.
Thanks,

--
Buffalo

On 5/1/2014 7:47 AM, Buffalo wrote:
"David E. Ross" wrote in message ...

On 4/25/2014 2:50 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 4/25/14 3:27 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
Over 6 months ago, I had to get a new PC when my old one died. The new
PC came with a black keyboard.

My home office (I'm retired) has a large, north-facing window. During
the daytime, there is ample indirect light even on overcast days.
Unless I turn on the interior lights, however, I cannot see (with my
72-year-old eyes) the individual keys i order to position my hands
correctly on the keyboard.

Today, I went shopping for a replacement keyboard. I visited two
brick-and-mortar chain stores (a misnomer here in southern California,
where brick buildings are not allowed because of earthquakes) and two
online "stores". The only keyboards I could find are all black or very
dark gray.

Are there no tan or other light-colored keyboards available any more?


How about...

http://tinyurl.com/mbhgetl
http://tinyurl.com/jw4qnag
http://tinyurl.com/n6kzp8u
http://tinyurl.com/nxouok9
http://tinyurl.com/n5c5sfa


I'm not recommending anything, including Amazon, just picked some
possibilities that might work for you.

I just now ordered one of the Amazon keyboards.


Curious why you didn't take the free trial of Amazon Prime and get free
shipping? That would have saved you around $10, I believe.
I finally found out the keyboard was the Microsoft Wired Keyboard 200 for
Business (White).
I might even buy one.
Post back on how you like it.
Thanks,


As a touch typist, I like it very much.

While the keys are the same size and at the same spacing as my prior
black Dell keyboard, the key tops are smaller. This means I hit two
keys at the same time much less often.

Also, the function keys at the top have wider spacing between sets
(e.g., between F8 and F9). This means I no longer have to feel slowly
and carefully along that row to find those two. I can tell immediately
if I am at F8 or F9 (two of the three function keys that I use most
often).

The new keyboard has little feet at the back, which I use to tilt the
keyboard. My favorite position when using my PC is to sit about two
arm-lengths from my monitor (no touch screen for me) with my feet up on
a footstool and my office chair tilted back. A tilted keyboard is thus
more comfortable than Dell's flat-lying keyboard.

One thing that was a disappointment is that the Enter key at the right
end of the main set of keys (not the Enter key in the numeric keypad) is
smaller than on the keyboard from my old Windows XP keyboard. It is
actually not as wide as the Shift key just below it. Since it is larger
than then alphanumeric keys, I expect I will get used to it.

--
David E. Ross

The Crimea is Putin's Sudetenland.
The Ukraine will be Putin's Czechoslovakia.
See http://www.rossde.com/editorials/edtl_PutinUkraine.html.

On Thu, 01 May 2014 19:20:34 -0700, "David E. Ross"
wrote:

Also, the function keys at the top have wider spacing between sets
(e.g., between F8 and F9). This means I no longer have to feel slowly
and carefully along that row to find those two. I can tell immediately
if I am at F8 or F9 (two of the three function keys that I use most
often).

What I would really like to find is a keyboard with the function keys on the
left, where God intended them to be.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:06:18 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:
Microsoft Wired #X823093-011, Product ID02007-486-2336052-51346

The California sales tax and shipping charges doubled the cost, from the
quoted $10.31 to $20.82.

If shipping were quoted separately from handling, only the latter would
be taxed. Unfortunately, Amazon.com lumps the two together. California
levies sale tax on "shipping and handling" in that case.

rant
WTF is "handling"? How is picking an item off the shelf and boxing
it for shipping _not_ part of the cost of doing business? What's
next? A "handling charge" when the deli counter at my supermarket
slices pastrami?
/rant



--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

Stan Brown wrote, On 5/2/2014 4:22 AM:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:06:18 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:
Microsoft Wired #X823093-011, Product ID02007-486-2336052-51346

The California sales tax and shipping charges doubled the cost, from the
quoted $10.31 to $20.82.

If shipping were quoted separately from handling, only the latter would
be taxed. Unfortunately, Amazon.com lumps the two together. California
levies sale tax on "shipping and handling" in that case.

rant
WTF is "handling"? How is picking an item off the shelf and boxing
it for shipping _not_ part of the cost of doing business? What's
next? A "handling charge" when the deli counter at my supermarket
slices pastrami?
/rant





One thing is probably certain, that deli meat was probably handled more
times than the 's' on the keyboard.



--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 5/2/2014 2:29 PM, ...winston wrote:
Stan Brown wrote, On 5/2/2014 4:22 AM:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:06:18 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:
Microsoft Wired #X823093-011, Product ID02007-486-2336052-51346

The California sales tax and shipping charges doubled the cost, from the
quoted $10.31 to $20.82.

If shipping were quoted separately from handling, only the latter would
be taxed. Unfortunately, Amazon.com lumps the two together. California
levies sale tax on "shipping and handling" in that case.

rant
WTF is "handling"? How is picking an item off the shelf and boxing
it for shipping _not_ part of the cost of doing business? What's
next? A "handling charge" when the deli counter at my supermarket
slices pastrami?
/rant





One thing is probably certain, that deli meat was probably handled more
times than the 's' on the keyboard.



That's why I refuse to ever go to Five Guys Burgers.

http://www.fiveguys.com/locations/st...-by-state.aspx

"David E. Ross" wrote in message ...

On 5/1/2014 7:47 AM, Buffalo wrote:
"David E. Ross" wrote in message ...

On 4/25/2014 2:50 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 4/25/14 3:27 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
Over 6 months ago, I had to get a new PC when my old one died. The
new
PC came with a black keyboard.

My home office (I'm retired) has a large, north-facing window. During
the daytime, there is ample indirect light even on overcast days.
Unless I turn on the interior lights, however, I cannot see (with my
72-year-old eyes) the individual keys i order to position my hands
correctly on the keyboard.

Today, I went shopping for a replacement keyboard. I visited two
brick-and-mortar chain stores (a misnomer here in southern California,
where brick buildings are not allowed because of earthquakes) and two
online "stores". The only keyboards I could find are all black or
very
dark gray.

Are there no tan or other light-colored keyboards available any more?


How about...

http://tinyurl.com/mbhgetl
http://tinyurl.com/jw4qnag
http://tinyurl.com/n6kzp8u
http://tinyurl.com/nxouok9
http://tinyurl.com/n5c5sfa


I'm not recommending anything, including Amazon, just picked some
possibilities that might work for you.

I just now ordered one of the Amazon keyboards.


Curious why you didn't take the free trial of Amazon Prime and get free
shipping? That would have saved you around $10, I believe.
I finally found out the keyboard was the Microsoft Wired Keyboard 200 for
Business (White).
I might even buy one.
Post back on how you like it.
Thanks,


As a touch typist, I like it very much.

While the keys are the same size and at the same spacing as my prior
black Dell keyboard, the key tops are smaller. This means I hit two
keys at the same time much less often.

Also, the function keys at the top have wider spacing between sets
(e.g., between F8 and F9). This means I no longer have to feel slowly
and carefully along that row to find those two. I can tell immediately
if I am at F8 or F9 (two of the three function keys that I use most
often).

The new keyboard has little feet at the back, which I use to tilt the
keyboard. My favorite position when using my PC is to sit about two
arm-lengths from my monitor (no touch screen for me) with my feet up on
a footstool and my office chair tilted back. A tilted keyboard is thus
more comfortable than Dell's flat-lying keyboard.

One thing that was a disappointment is that the Enter key at the right
end of the main set of keys (not the Enter key in the numeric keypad) is
smaller than on the keyboard from my old Windows XP keyboard. It is
actually not as wide as the Shift key just below it. Since it is larger
than then alphanumeric keys, I expect I will get used to it.

Thanks for the feedback on your new keyboard.
--
Buffalo

On 4/25/2014 5:27 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
Over 6 months ago, I had to get a new PC when my old one died. The new
PC came with a black keyboard.

My home office (I'm retired) has a large, north-facing window. During
the daytime, there is ample indirect light even on overcast days.
Unless I turn on the interior lights, however, I cannot see (with my
72-year-old eyes) the individual keys i order to position my hands
correctly on the keyboard.

Today, I went shopping for a replacement keyboard. I visited two
brick-and-mortar chain stores (a misnomer here in southern California,
where brick buildings are not allowed because of earthquakes) and two
online "stores". The only keyboards I could find are all black or very
dark gray.

Are there no tan or other light-colored keyboards available any more?

Woot is offering today blue, brown, and red mechanical keyboards. See;
http://sellout.woot.com/offers/das-k...=cnt_dly_wobtn

On 5/14/2014 10:23 AM, Zaidy036 wrote:
On 4/25/2014 5:27 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
Over 6 months ago, I had to get a new PC when my old one died. The new
PC came with a black keyboard.

My home office (I'm retired) has a large, north-facing window. During
the daytime, there is ample indirect light even on overcast days.
Unless I turn on the interior lights, however, I cannot see (with my
72-year-old eyes) the individual keys i order to position my hands
correctly on the keyboard.

Today, I went shopping for a replacement keyboard. I visited two
brick-and-mortar chain stores (a misnomer here in southern California,
where brick buildings are not allowed because of earthquakes) and two
online "stores". The only keyboards I could find are all black or very
dark gray.

Are there no tan or other light-colored keyboards available any more?

Woot is offering today blue, brown, and red mechanical keyboards. See;
http://sellout.woot.com/offers/das-k...=cnt_dly_wobtn

How about a keyboard with illuminated keys?

On 15/05/2014 05:24, charlie wrote:
On 5/14/2014 10:23 AM, Zaidy036 wrote:
On 4/25/2014 5:27 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
Over 6 months ago, I had to get a new PC when my old one died. The new
PC came with a black keyboard.

My home office (I'm retired) has a large, north-facing window. During
the daytime, there is ample indirect light even on overcast days.
Unless I turn on the interior lights, however, I cannot see (with my
72-year-old eyes) the individual keys i order to position my hands
correctly on the keyboard.

Today, I went shopping for a replacement keyboard. I visited two
brick-and-mortar chain stores (a misnomer here in southern California,
where brick buildings are not allowed because of earthquakes) and two
online "stores". The only keyboards I could find are all black or very
dark gray.

Are there no tan or other light-colored keyboards available any more?

Woot is offering today blue, brown, and red mechanical keyboards. See;
http://sellout.woot.com/offers/das-k...=cnt_dly_wobtn


How about a keyboard with illuminated keys?

Yes, me like illuminated keys. Illuminated with cancles!--
choro
*****

charlie wrote:
On 5/14/2014 10:23 AM, Zaidy036 wrote:
On 4/25/2014 5:27 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
Over 6 months ago, I had to get a new PC when my old one died. The new
PC came with a black keyboard.

My home office (I'm retired) has a large, north-facing window. During
the daytime, there is ample indirect light even on overcast days.
Unless I turn on the interior lights, however, I cannot see (with my
72-year-old eyes) the individual keys i order to position my hands
correctly on the keyboard.

Today, I went shopping for a replacement keyboard. I visited two
brick-and-mortar chain stores (a misnomer here in southern California,
where brick buildings are not allowed because of earthquakes) and two
online "stores". The only keyboards I could find are all black or very
dark gray.

Are there no tan or other light-colored keyboards available any more?

Woot is offering today blue, brown, and red mechanical keyboards. See;
http://sellout.woot.com/offers/das-k...=cnt_dly_wobtn


How about a keyboard with illuminated keys?


Sure, but you can't get them with nice legends on the keys.
This one uses some sort of "computer font".

http://www.amazon.com/Razer-BlackWid.../dp/B00IG3GPTS

Paul

On 5/15/2014 12:24 AM, charlie wrote:
On 5/14/2014 10:23 AM, Zaidy036 wrote:
On 4/25/2014 5:27 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
Over 6 months ago, I had to get a new PC when my old one died. The new
PC came with a black keyboard.

My home office (I'm retired) has a large, north-facing window. During
the daytime, there is ample indirect light even on overcast days.
Unless I turn on the interior lights, however, I cannot see (with my
72-year-old eyes) the individual keys i order to position my hands
correctly on the keyboard.

Today, I went shopping for a replacement keyboard. I visited two
brick-and-mortar chain stores (a misnomer here in southern California,
where brick buildings are not allowed because of earthquakes) and two
online "stores". The only keyboards I could find are all black or very
dark gray.

Are there no tan or other light-colored keyboards available any more?

Woot is offering today blue, brown, and red mechanical keyboards. See;
http://sellout.woot.com/offers/das-k...=cnt_dly_wobtn


How about a keyboard with illuminated keys?

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss...ctronics%2C185

On Fri, 02 May 2014 06:16:58 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

On Thu, 01 May 2014 19:20:34 -0700, "David E. Ross"
wrote:

Also, the function keys at the top have wider spacing between sets
(e.g., between F8 and F9). This means I no longer have to feel slowly
and carefully along that row to find those two. I can tell immediately
if I am at F8 or F9 (two of the three function keys that I use most
often).

What I would really like to find is a keyboard with the function keys on the
left, where God intended them to be.

Even the venerable Commodore 64 had the Function keys on the right. I guess
God didn't get them the Word on time to make it into the final design.

--

Char Jackson

On Thu, 22 May 2014 15:05:25 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

On Fri, 02 May 2014 06:16:58 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

On Thu, 01 May 2014 19:20:34 -0700, "David E. Ross"
wrote:

Also, the function keys at the top have wider spacing between sets
(e.g., between F8 and F9). This means I no longer have to feel slowly
and carefully along that row to find those two. I can tell immediately
if I am at F8 or F9 (two of the three function keys that I use most
often).

What I would really like to find is a keyboard with the function keys on the
left, where God intended them to be.

Even the venerable Commodore 64 had the Function keys on the right. I guess
God didn't get them the Word on time to make it into the final design.

In my Bible, it's "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was
function keys on top".

OK, that's a waste of a post, but my *actual* attitude is that I don't
much care, once I get used to the current keyboard.

In fact, I just recalled that when I was using an iMac with WinXP on it,
running in a Parallels virtual machine, I had very little trouble
switching my mental code page when I switched from iOS to Windows
several times a day. That didn't move the function keys, of course, but
Windows vs Mac, Ctrl & Alt vs Cmd & Option, and so on.

OK, I'm bragging, I guess. I'll stop.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Fri, 23 May 2014 11:18:11 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Thu, 22 May 2014 15:05:25 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

On Fri, 02 May 2014 06:16:58 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

On Thu, 01 May 2014 19:20:34 -0700, "David E. Ross"
wrote:

Also, the function keys at the top have wider spacing between sets
(e.g., between F8 and F9). This means I no longer have to feel slowly
and carefully along that row to find those two. I can tell immediately
if I am at F8 or F9 (two of the three function keys that I use most
often).

What I would really like to find is a keyboard with the function keys on the
left, where God intended them to be.

Even the venerable Commodore 64 had the Function keys on the right. I guess
God didn't get them the Word on time to make it into the final design.

In my Bible, it's "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was
function keys on top".

OK, that's a waste of a post, but my *actual* attitude is that I don't
much care, once I get used to the current keyboard.

Having to use two hands, instead of two fingers of one hand, inevitably slows
one down.

In one word processing program I used, for example, the "delete line" function
was Alt F5. Very quich and easy with function keys on the left, cumbersome and
awkward with function keys on top.

Northgate used to make keyboards with function keys in both places, and I'd
gladly pay three times the price for one of those. One of the ironys of
computer history is that the ergonomically crippled ones were called
"Enhanced".




--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk