The Official WIndows 8.1 update 1 Start Menu

Watch video starting at 2:08:40

http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2014/KEY01

Seth wrote in news:lirmug$3vs$1
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Watch video starting at 2:08:40

http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2014/KEY01




Thanks for providing the time pointer 'cause it took 0:01:13 for that guy
to bore me to death.

--

Pat

email: phartzATcoxDOTnet

Seth wrote:
Watch video starting at 2:08:40

http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2014/KEY01



Wouldn't that be Windows 8.1 Update 2 ?

http://bink.nu/startmenu-returns-to-...-a-next-update

I don't think what we just got (8.1 Update 1) does that.

(the perils of dribble-ware...)

Paul

Paul presented the following explanation :
Seth wrote:
Watch video starting at 2:08:40

http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2014/KEY01



Wouldn't that be Windows 8.1 Update 2 ?

http://bink.nu/startmenu-returns-to-...-a-next-update

I don't think what we just got (8.1 Update 1) does that.

Maybe they'll call it update 2, maybe something else. I only included
the text "Update 1" in the title as that is a pre-req.

Seth wrote:
Paul presented the following explanation :
Seth wrote:
Watch video starting at 2:08:40

http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2014/KEY01



Wouldn't that be Windows 8.1 Update 2 ?

http://bink.nu/startmenu-returns-to-...-a-next-update

I don't think what we just got (8.1 Update 1) does that.

Maybe they'll call it update 2, maybe something else. I only included
the text "Update 1" in the title as that is a pre-req.

By the way, that video is one *long* dog and pony show.
You've got to admire the staying power of the audience.

At one of our dog and pony shows, you'd get a coffee and
a muffin after it was all over, instead of a free Xbox :-)

Paul

In message , Paul writes
Seth wrote:
Paul presented the following explanation :
Seth wrote:
Watch video starting at 2:08:40

http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2014/KEY01



Wouldn't that be Windows 8.1 Update 2 ?

http://bink.nu/startmenu-returns-to-...-a-next-update

I don't think what we just got (8.1 Update 1) does that.
Maybe they'll call it update 2, maybe something else. I only
included the text "Update 1" in the title as that is a pre-req.

By the way, that video is one *long* dog and pony show.
You've got to admire the staying power of the audience.

I've tried to watch the 2:08:40 part three times over the last two days
and every time it gets to 2:07:something, it switches off. Just presents
a grey window with no time bar etc at the bottom.

I can watch earlier and later, just not that bit.

I've only watched tiny snippets of the rest, but thought they looked
simultaneously smug and desperate.
--
Bill

Bill wrote:


I've tried to watch the 2:08:40 part three times over the last two days
and every time it gets to 2:07:something, it switches off. Just presents
a grey window with no time bar etc at the bottom.

I can watch earlier and later, just not that bit.

I've only watched tiny snippets of the rest, but thought they looked
simultaneously smug and desperate.

http://i61.tinypic.com/4toihf.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/16atu75.jpg

http://i61.tinypic.com/16t6i8.jpg

Previously, developers expressed two issues. There was
the guy that had to jump through a lot of hoops, to get
his App in the App Store. It took quite a while to get
his App approved.

And I think some developers were ****ed that certain
technologies were deprecated, and other bandwagons adopted
in their place. Which makes gaining skills in certain things
(e.g. Silverlight) a waste of time. Silverlight is apparently
on the way out. I'll believe that, when the last of those
Silverlight "How To" movies on the Microsoft site, are put
back into standard movie formats.

Paul

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http://i57.tinypic.com/16atu75.jpg

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And I think some developers were ****ed that certain
technologies were deprecated, and other bandwagons adopted
in their place. Which makes gaining skills in certain things
(e.g. Silverlight) a waste of time. Silverlight is apparently
on the way out. I'll believe that, when the last of those
Silverlight "How To" movies on the Microsoft site, are put
back into standard movie formats.

Thanks, Paul.

And that's the story of my life. By the time I get really confident with
anything, it's obsolete. (Have I ever mentioned that I once went on a
course for maintaining 8" floppy drives?).
--
Bill

Bill wrote:
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Snip

And I think some developers were ****ed that certain
technologies were deprecated, and other bandwagons adopted
in their place. Which makes gaining skills in certain things
(e.g. Silverlight) a waste of time. Silverlight is apparently
on the way out. I'll believe that, when the last of those
Silverlight "How To" movies on the Microsoft site, are put
back into standard movie formats.

Thanks, Paul.

And that's the story of my life. By the time I get really confident with
anything, it's obsolete. (Have I ever mentioned that I once went on a
course for maintaining 8" floppy drives?).

Yeah, cleaning and calibrating the damn things :-)

All our 8" floppies were calibrated against a "golden" floppy
kept in a cabinet in the tech support department. I never got
to watch the tuning procedure, but each incoming computer
was supposed to be adjusted, before it was given to an
employee.

And even with all of that, they still had interop problems.

I used to keep cleaning kits, with the little packets of
alcohol, at my desk, to clean my drives. Loads of fun :-)

At one point, I had around 110 floppy diskettes in my desk drawer :-)
At the peak of the 8" era. That was before we got our first
10MB hard drives.

Paul

On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 21:59:40 -0400, Paul wrote:

Bill wrote:

And that's the story of my life. By the time I get really confident with
anything, it's obsolete. (Have I ever mentioned that I once went on a
course for maintaining 8" floppy drives?).

Yeah, cleaning and calibrating the damn things :-)

All our 8" floppies were calibrated against a "golden" floppy
kept in a cabinet in the tech support department. I never got
to watch the tuning procedure, but each incoming computer
was supposed to be adjusted, before it was given to an
employee.

And even with all of that, they still had interop problems.

I used to keep cleaning kits, with the little packets of
alcohol, at my desk, to clean my drives. Loads of fun :-)

At one point, I had around 110 floppy diskettes in my desk drawer :-)
At the peak of the 8" era. That was before we got our first
10MB hard drives.



The last time I touched an 8" floppy or drive was in 1987. I remember
next to nothing about them. Did I ever clean the drives? I don't
remember.

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 21:59:40 -0400, Paul wrote:

Bill wrote:

And that's the story of my life. By the time I get really confident with
anything, it's obsolete. (Have I ever mentioned that I once went on a
course for maintaining 8" floppy drives?).
Yeah, cleaning and calibrating the damn things :-)

All our 8" floppies were calibrated against a "golden" floppy
kept in a cabinet in the tech support department. I never got
to watch the tuning procedure, but each incoming computer
was supposed to be adjusted, before it was given to an
employee.

And even with all of that, they still had interop problems.

I used to keep cleaning kits, with the little packets of
alcohol, at my desk, to clean my drives. Loads of fun :-)

At one point, I had around 110 floppy diskettes in my desk drawer :-)
At the peak of the 8" era. That was before we got our first
10MB hard drives.



The last time I touched an 8" floppy or drive was in 1987. I remember
next to nothing about them. Did I ever clean the drives? I don't
remember.



I think the cleaning floppy had some white cloth material
where the floppy hole should have been. You'd dampen that
with alcohol and insert the cleaning floppy. But I don't
remember what floppy command I would use, to load the heads
and do the cleaning.

As to whether you need to clean, if you notice a lot of
surface damage to your floppy collection (you can see media
damage), that oxide could end up inside the drive. And then
might be a time to clean it. This wasn't something I
was doing daily. It was, as the situation demanded.
If you suspected it was gummed up, you'd clean it.

Paul

On 4/21/2014 7:05 PM, Paul wrote:
But I don't
remember what floppy command I would use, to load the heads
and do the cleaning.

The ones I remember would automatically seek, trying to find the
starting track. There was a command as well, but, like you, I haven't
the foggiest.

The real pain I remember was dealing with HP/Dec removable platter
drives. The heads were driven by a very large solenoid, and you would
likely break or loose something if it got in the way. Getting things
re-aligned after head replacement was difficult, due to the mass of the
solenoid assembly. We'd use an alignment disk pack, have everything look
good, and find that we still had problems reading existing disk packs.
(Try and try again until things worked properly)
There was even a battery pack in the drive, used to power an "emergency"
head retract.

charlie wrote:
On 4/21/2014 7:05 PM, Paul wrote:
But I don't
remember what floppy command I would use, to load the heads
and do the cleaning.

The ones I remember would automatically seek, trying to find the
starting track. There was a command as well, but, like you, I haven't
the foggiest.

The real pain I remember was dealing with HP/Dec removable platter
drives. The heads were driven by a very large solenoid, and you would
likely break or loose something if it got in the way. Getting things
re-aligned after head replacement was difficult, due to the mass of the
solenoid assembly. We'd use an alignment disk pack, have everything look
good, and find that we still had problems reading existing disk packs.
(Try and try again until things worked properly)
There was even a battery pack in the drive, used to power an "emergency"
head retract.

Drives had a couple of mechanisms for retract.

You could charge up a big capacitor, and just throw it across the voice coil.
Makes a great sound effect, when the head assembly hits the stop.

Or, some relied on regenerative braking (using the motor and spinning
inertia), to provide energy to retract the heads. It's possible
even some of our modern drives do that.

Our removable pack machine, I don't think it ever needed head
work, and the pack that was in it, we got at least a couple
years from it. I duplicated everything (manually) back then -
with no decent backup software, I was just making two copies
of everything. One on a desktop drive, and one on our removable
pack "washing machine".

But that came after the floppy era. In the 8" floppy era,
our oldest machines had dual drives, so you could
make backups from one diskette to another. At the time
that was considered a "luxury". Like owning two wringer washers :-)

Paul