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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I have
searched via Google and found various suggestions or "solutions," none of which have worked. When I run ccleaner, it asks if I want to stop Edge. Yes. It then asks if I want to force it to exit. Yes. Ccleaner than runs, shows that it cleans Edge and deletes cookies. Run ccleaner again in just a couple of minutes, and the same thing happens. Edge has been restarted. Edge is not listed in the startup folders or in Task Scheduler, at least not under that name. Agent Ransack finds four instances of MicrosoftEdge.exe. However they can only be renamed by Trusted Installer. By the way, in researching this I learned that "disable background apps" in the current Win-10 version is also not permanent. They are re-enabled during reboot. The cure for that is he https://winaero.com/blog/disable-bac...-version-1803/ That no longer stops Edge, however. Task Manager shows five different entries under Microsoft Edge. End Task does stop them. However that, of course, only lasts until the next reboot (or maybe even less.) Anyone know how to do it? Note, this is not a critical thing. It just annoys me that I have to waste resources running a program that is never used. -dan z- -- Someone who thinks logically provides a nice contrast to the real world. (Anonymous) |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On 8/19/2018 5:39 PM, slate_leeper wrote:
I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I have searched via Google and found various suggestions or "solutions," none of which have worked. When I run ccleaner, it asks if I want to stop Edge. Yes. It then asks if I want to force it to exit. Yes. Ccleaner than runs, shows that it cleans Edge and deletes cookies. Run ccleaner again in just a couple of minutes, and the same thing happens. Edge has been restarted. Edge is not listed in the startup folders or in Task Scheduler, at least not under that name. Agent Ransack finds four instances of MicrosoftEdge.exe. However they can only be renamed by Trusted Installer. By the way, in researching this I learned that "disable background apps" in the current Win-10 version is also not permanent. They are re-enabled during reboot. The cure for that is he https://winaero.com/blog/disable-bac...-version-1803/ That no longer stops Edge, however. Task Manager shows five different entries under Microsoft Edge. End Task does stop them. However that, of course, only lasts until the next reboot (or maybe even less.) Anyone know how to do it? Note, this is not a critical thing. It just annoys me that I have to waste resources running a program that is never used. -dan z- If trusted installer is your only problem, try PowerRun Author: BlueLife , Velociraptor www.sordum.org ########### -- PowerRun v1.1 -- ########### ( September 08, 2016) Changelog: 1. [ Fixed ] - PowerRun Can't delete some registry files which belong to TrustedInstaller 2. [Added] - GUI 3. [Added] - Drag and drop support 4. [Added] - Run with Parameter , Startup Windows state features 5. [Added] - Jump the registry key feature 6. [Added] - Create a vbs or Bat file feature 7. [Added] - Cmd support Updated 8. [Added] - Language support ------------------------------------------------------- ########### -- PowerRun v1.0 -- ########### ( August 08, 2016) PowerRun is a one click portabel freeware tool to launch regedit.exe or Cmd.exe with the same privileges as the TrustedInstaller it has No GUI |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
slate_leeper wrote:
I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I have searched via Google and found various suggestions or "solutions," none of which have worked. When I run ccleaner, it asks if I want to stop Edge. Yes. It then asks if I want to force it to exit. Yes. Ccleaner than runs, shows that it cleans Edge and deletes cookies. Run ccleaner again in just a couple of minutes, and the same thing happens. Edge has been restarted. Edge is not listed in the startup folders or in Task Scheduler, at least not under that name. Agent Ransack finds four instances of MicrosoftEdge.exe. However they can only be renamed by Trusted Installer. By the way, in researching this I learned that "disable background apps" in the current Win-10 version is also not permanent. They are re-enabled during reboot. The cure for that is he https://winaero.com/blog/disable-bac...-version-1803/ That no longer stops Edge, however. Task Manager shows five different entries under Microsoft Edge. End Task does stop them. However that, of course, only lasts until the next reboot (or maybe even less.) Anyone know how to do it? Note, this is not a critical thing. It just annoys me that I have to waste resources running a program that is never used. -dan z- Isn't there a package called "Software Restriction Policy" ? I thought you could do major damage to onboard software, by simply denying it execution privileges. Then, no matter how many Task Scheduler or Autorun tricks they try, the policy is always there waiting for them. "Meanwhile, if you want to lock down Edge, you could try to use the built-in "Don't run specified Windows Applications" policy setting: User Configuration Administrative Templates System "Don't run specified Windows Applications" " And you could try that on Win10 Pro using GPEdit.msc The SRP blurb is something like: "The problem is resolved when SRP GPO User Configuration Windows Settings Security Settings Software Restriction Policies Enforcement is set to "All software files except libraries (such as DLLs)" instead of "All software files". " So that has something to do with some IT guys settings for MSEdge. There was some other security hole, that a clever individual closed with SRP. There was the ole autorun.inf problem on optical discs. Microsoft tightened the autorun policy, but left optical discs open in terms of running such. Some USB sticks use a composite device, with a fake optical drive behind it, and one of those (a U3 stick?) could use autoruns. Some individual figured out they could prevent *anything* from opening an autorun by blocking "@autorun" or similar. I've never done anything with this stuff, so have no practical experience to offer. That's just a few war stories in passing. Paul |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
Paul wrote:
slate_leeper wrote: I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I have searched via Google and found various suggestions or "solutions," none of which have worked. When I run ccleaner, it asks if I want to stop Edge. Yes. It then asks if I want to force it to exit. Yes. Ccleaner than runs, shows that it cleans Edge and deletes cookies. Run ccleaner again in just a couple of minutes, and the same thing happens. Edge has been restarted. Edge is not listed in the startup folders or in Task Scheduler, at least not under that name. Agent Ransack finds four instances of MicrosoftEdge.exe. However they can only be renamed by Trusted Installer. By the way, in researching this I learned that "disable background apps" in the current Win-10 version is also not permanent. They are re-enabled during reboot. The cure for that is he https://winaero.com/blog/disable-bac...-version-1803/ That no longer stops Edge, however. Task Manager shows five different entries under Microsoft Edge. End Task does stop them. However that, of course, only lasts until the next reboot (or maybe even less.) Anyone know how to do it? Note, this is not a critical thing. It just annoys me that I have to waste resources running a program that is never used. -dan z- Isn't there a package called "Software Restriction Policy" ? SRP rules are hashed in the registry. Yes, you could create your own SRP rules in the registry but good luck figuring out what hash to use. I mention this only because the Home editions of Windows do not include the group policy editor (GPE). You use the GPE to create SRPs. The OP never identified which edition of Windows 10 he is using. He needs the Pro or Enterprise or Education editions to have the policy editor. Many 3rd party security tools include process blockers, too. The value of the SRP rule defined in the registry is encrypted to prevent casual modification of policies by a user-mode process. I remember trying to define SRP rules in the registry but gave up because of the protections. I'd need the GPE to get it done. However, probably better to know what causes Edge to load. HTAs (HTML Applications) relied on using IE's libraries. Since IE is deprecated, does the OS not direct such calls to the Edge libraries? If the OP manages to prevent Edge from loading, he might be killing the usability of some other program. "Meanwhile, if you want to lock down Edge, you could try to use the built-in "Don't run specified Windows Applications" policy setting: User Configuration Administrative Templates System "Don't run specified Windows Applications" If the GPE is available so it can be used to define SRP rules, I'd just first try to define a Path block SRP rule on the .exe for Edge to see if that keeps it from loading. One of the reasons Edge keeps loading is to check for updates. Taking away control for when Windows and Edge will update is the normal behavior in Windows 10, similar to how Google thinks all its users just must want Google Chrome to update simply because, gee, there's a new version available from Google. Updating for Google Chrome can be thwarted but it takes some digging. Google Chrome can run "web apps". By default, Chrome will allow these apps to continue running in the background although the user thinks they have exited Chrome. You have to go into Chrome's settings to disable the backgrounding of web apps started within Chrome. Edge can do the same thing: run web apps in the background despite having exited Edge. The OP could try the following: - Enter "setting" in the start button on the home screen. - Pick "Privacy". - In the left panel, pick "Background Apps". - In the right panel is a list of all apps currently installed. There's probably a LOT more apps than just Edge configured to run in the background. - Find the Edge app and disable it from running in the background. - Do the same for all other apps to which you do not need immediately access as loading them without using them just means wasting memory. There is an option "Let apps run in the background" that you can disable for all apps acquired from Microsoft's Store (which disqualifies Edge, and also any Win32 apps). |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On 8/19/2018 8:39 PM, slate_leeper wrote:
I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I have searched via Google and found various suggestions or "solutions," none of which have worked. When I run ccleaner, it asks if I want to stop Edge. Yes. It then asks if I want to force it to exit. Yes. Ccleaner than runs, shows that it cleans Edge and deletes cookies. Run ccleaner again in just a couple of minutes, and the same thing happens. Edge has been restarted. Edge is not listed in the startup folders or in Task Scheduler, at least not under that name. Agent Ransack finds four instances of MicrosoftEdge.exe. However they can only be renamed by Trusted Installer. By the way, in researching this I learned that "disable background apps" in the current Win-10 version is also not permanent. They are re-enabled during reboot. The cure for that is he https://winaero.com/blog/disable-bac...-version-1803/ That no longer stops Edge, however. Task Manager shows five different entries under Microsoft Edge. End Task does stop them. However that, of course, only lasts until the next reboot (or maybe even less.) Anyone know how to do it? Note, this is not a critical thing. It just annoys me that I have to waste resources running a program that is never used. -dan z- Try Autoruns. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...loads/autoruns Download and unzip the program, right-click "autoruns.exe", select "Run as Administrator", click on the "Logon" tab and see if Edge is listed. If it is, uncheck it. Ben |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
Ben Myers wrote:
On 8/19/2018 8:39 PM, slate_leeper wrote: I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I have searched via Google and found various suggestions or "solutions," none of which have worked. When I run ccleaner, it asks if I want to stop Edge. Yes. It then asks if I want to force it to exit. Yes. Ccleaner than runs, shows that it cleans Edge and deletes cookies. Run ccleaner again in just a couple of minutes, and the same thing happens. Edge has been restarted. Edge is not listed in the startup folders or in Task Scheduler, at least not under that name. Agent Ransack finds four instances of MicrosoftEdge.exe. However they can only be renamed by Trusted Installer. By the way, in researching this I learned that "disable background apps" in the current Win-10 version is also not permanent. They are re-enabled during reboot. The cure for that is he https://winaero.com/blog/disable-bac...-version-1803/ That no longer stops Edge, however. Task Manager shows five different entries under Microsoft Edge. End Task does stop them. However that, of course, only lasts until the next reboot (or maybe even less.) Anyone know how to do it? Note, this is not a critical thing. It just annoys me that I have to waste resources running a program that is never used. -dan z- Try Autoruns. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...loads/autoruns Download and unzip the program, right-click "autoruns.exe", select "Run as Administrator", click on the "Logon" tab and see if Edge is listed. If it is, uncheck it. Ben You will find some things though, if you untick them, and you come back later, they're re-ticked again. Autoruns is great for "naive" apps that are not actively working against you. Consumer-antagonistic applications will just tick the box again... and laugh at you. Paul |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 20:39:39 -0400, slate_leeper wrote:
I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I have searched via Google and found various suggestions or "solutions," none of which have worked. [etc] Maybe you should think more laterally; why not embrace Edge as the current/future standard Windows browser? What alternative is there? It's very quick to open (compare to IE or Chrome or Firefox) with useful additions available for ad blocking and so on. Improvements continue as Windows releases new versions (Redstone 4, 5 and so on). |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On 20/08/2018 01:39, slate_leeper wrote:
I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I have searched via Google and found various suggestions or "solutions," none of which have worked. When I run ccleaner, it asks if I want to stop Edge. Yes. It then asks if I want to force it to exit. Yes. Ccleaner than runs, shows that it cleans Edge and deletes cookies. Run ccleaner again in just a couple of minutes, and the same thing happens. Edge has been restarted. Edge is not listed in the startup folders or in Task Scheduler, at least not under that name. Agent Ransack finds four instances of MicrosoftEdge.exe. However they can only be renamed by Trusted Installer. By the way, in researching this I learned that "disable background apps" in the current Win-10 version is also not permanent. They are re-enabled during reboot. The cure for that is he https://winaero.com/blog/disable-bac...-version-1803/ That no longer stops Edge, however. Task Manager shows five different entries under Microsoft Edge. End Task does stop them. However that, of course, only lasts until the next reboot (or maybe even less.) Anyone know how to do it? Note, this is not a critical thing. It just annoys me that I have to waste resources running a program that is never used. -dan z- Try Settings Privacy Background Apps - turn off Edge - see if that helps. |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
"VanguardLH" wrote
| However, probably better to know what causes Edge to load. HTAs (HTML | Applications) relied on using IE's libraries. Since IE is deprecated, | does the OS not direct such calls to the Edge libraries? If the OP | manages to prevent Edge from loading, he might be killing the usability | of some other program. | I don't know any reason that associating with HTAs would cause Edge to run in the background. It doesn't do that to IE. But my understanding is that the main reason for IE to still be around is to accommodate uses like HTAs and Web Browser ActiveX controls. All of that functionality has been stripped from Edge in order to make it safer. That's why you can set compat mode for a domain and make IE11 show it like IE, but you can't do that with Edge. The functionality simply isn't there. I haven't experimented, but I'm guessing that Edge also doesn't accommodate automation and shell integration. With IE it's possible to hook into any running instance programmatically (including HTAs) and access the "document" object. That could be an interesting experiement to see what all those Edge instances are up to, but it's likely that the method won't work with Edge. For anyone who's interested, I have a component he https://www.jsware.net/jsware/compfiles.php5#jsshl The ActiveX EXE version is designed to work with Windows 64-bit. It's not something that beginners can use but there are docs explaining the methods, which should be clear to anyone familiar with webpage document objects. jsShell is a component for accessing shell and Active Accessibility. It has a method GetIEDocFromHandle that returns the document object of any window of class Internet Explorer_Server, which means anything that contains an IE browser window. (IE, an HTA, a pre-XP folder window, a browser window in 3rd party software, etc) The browser part itself is an Internet Explorer_Server class window. jsShell also has methods to enumerate open windows, get their handles and class names, titles, enumerate child windows, etc. If the Edge browser window is not Internet Explorer_Server it could still offer an accessible document object, but there's a good chance it doesn't. If it *could* be accessed that would provide a way to know the URL loaded and the content of whatever is in the browser window. Of course, what do you do after you find out that 4 Edge instances are calling home and running scripts from microsoft.com? If you can't stop them, anyway, then it's an academic exercise.... as is any attempt to civilize Win10, it seems. But if Paul has no plans today then maybe we'll get the skinny on this. |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 00:40:14 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
- In the right panel is a list of all apps currently installed. There's probably a LOT more apps than just Edge configured to run in the background. Only four are shown: Mail & Calendar Microsoft Photos Microsoft Store Movies & TV plus the "let apps run in the background" toggle. They are and have been all turned off. This has no effect on Edge. -- Someone who thinks logically provides a nice contrast to the real world. (Anonymous) |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 02:09:31 -0400, Ben Myers
wrote: Try Autoruns. Yup, tried that. No obvious listing. I also used the filter function entering "edge." Nothing found. -- Someone who thinks logically provides a nice contrast to the real world. (Anonymous) |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:39:19 +0100, Joskin
wrote: Try Settings Privacy Background Apps - turn off Edge - see if that helps. Thanks, but from my original post: By the way, in researching this I learned that "disable background apps" in the current Win-10 version is also not permanent. They are re-enabled during reboot. The cure for that is he https://winaero.com/blog/disable-bac...-version-1803/ That no longer stops Edge, however. ---------- -- Someone who thinks logically provides a nice contrast to the real world. (Anonymous) |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
slate_leeper wrote:
VanguardLH wrote: - In the right panel is a list of all apps currently installed. There's probably a LOT more apps than just Edge configured to run in the background. Only four are shown: Mail & Calendar Microsoft Photos Microsoft Store Movies & TV plus the "let apps run in the background" toggle. They are and have been all turned off. This has no effect on Edge. https://windowsreport.com/microsoft-...lways-running/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiS20IBsORI Hmm, maybe something changed in a release since that article of Dec 2017 and video of Nov 2017. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klCCksJeGYo That's dated May 2018 and still shows the Edge app as a background-able app that can be disabled. I see posts in web forums dated 2 months ago also saying to disable backgrounding for Edge; i.e., Edge is listed as a backround-able app. Someone even upload a pic of the config on June 3 at: https://imgur.com/TvBlNvG Someone reported that Edge was missing in the apps list but appeared after a W10 Creators update back around Oct 2017. You didn't mention which version of W10 you have. The article you mentioned says the background disable got broke in 1803. Guess users will have to wait to see if Microsoft decides to fix it. I started hunting around for an issue tracking site for Windows 10 but didn't find it before having to end this reply to do something else. Have you tried renaming the folder where is the Edge program? I think it is under C:\Windows\SystemApps\Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wek yb3d8bbwe. If that doesn't work, are SRPs available to you (that Paul first mentioned and upon which I expounded)? Looks like Microsoft is discontinuing SRPs; see: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...moved-features Instead you are expected to use Applocker or Windows Defender's Application Control (which seems retro to 3rd party firewalls that had a similar process control feature). I haven't used WDAC to know if Microsoft let it control Edge. https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/mic...ation-control/ Despite Edge being listed as a loaded process in Task Manager, is it Suspended? Suspended processes don't consume CPU cycles. Any memory it uses can be released immediately (moved to disk) when needed for something else. Loaded doesn't mean running. Suspending a process has been available since Windows 7 (where I use SysInternals' Process Explorer to right-click on a process to suspend it). In Windows 10, Resource Monitor can suspend/resume a process. |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:16:57 +0100, mechanic
wrote: On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 20:39:39 -0400, slate_leeper wrote: I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I have searched via Google and found various suggestions or "solutions," none of which have worked. [etc] Maybe you should think more laterally; why not embrace Edge as the current/future standard Windows browser? IMO, the only thing Edge has going for it is that it wears the crown as worst browser, which it stole from IE by being, well, worse. It does, however, work great to download a better browser. What alternative is there? It's very quick to open (compare to IE or Chrome or Firefox) with useful additions available for ad blocking and so on. Improvements continue as Windows releases new versions (Redstone 4, 5 and so on). I like the question about alternatives because it's followed by a list of (better) alternatives. :-) |
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How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?
slate_leeper wrote:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:39:19 +0100, Joskin wrote: Try Settings Privacy Background Apps - turn off Edge - see if that helps. Thanks, but from my original post: By the way, in researching this I learned that "disable background apps" in the current Win-10 version is also not permanent. They are re-enabled during reboot. The cure for that is he https://winaero.com/blog/disable-bac...-version-1803/ That no longer stops Edge, however. ---------- If the consensus is, from all the posters in the thread, that all the controls have been neutered, that leaves "going nuclear". Remove something that MSEdge GUI needs, but any engine components don't need. And change the file name from some.exe to some.exe.bak with the rename capability. People don't like it when I suggest that method. Which is why I tried to suggest "tamer, more official" routes, than going nuclear. The idea with the SRP, was if the idea worked, it might survive an OS Upgrade. I successfully neutered Windows Update using file renaming, causing a VM image of Windows 10 to remain stuck at 16299. Neutering stuff does work, but it isn't always easy. And in the fullness of time, it could be very difficult to make it work. Microsoft doesn't really have to do much of anything to "tighten" up the OS. They now have all the weapons needed. All they need, is an excuse. If the OS is to be tightened, it will be tightened after an OS Upgrade. That's the most likely time to change how the OS works, rather than something like that showing up on Patch Tuesday. Paul |
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