How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

The essential function of Windows hasn't changed
much in 20 years. Most software from XP will run
on later systems.

some might, but they won't do what apps designed for win7 or win10 (as
well as other systems) can do.

Most of what people do on computers
doesn't require Win10.

most apps require at least win7 because they use functionality not
available in earlier systems, so while an older app might run, it's
functionally less capable. apps that require win10 will happen (and
there are a few already) but at this point, that's rare.

that might not matter to *you*, but it matters to a significant number
of people.

The differences from XP to
10 are mainly cosmetic and hardware support issues.

nonsense.

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

| Then you say Home "sucks" but Pro is good. There's
| never been a lot of difference between the two, aside
| from Pro being much more expensive. You can control
| the Microsoft hacking a bit more with Pro, but that's
| hardly a selling point.
|
| Control. That is a selling point for me. I need everything Pro has to
| offer.

Which is what? Pro version has gpedit, but that's
little more than a Registry front-end for IT dummies.
I guess it has disk encryption. I've never been curious
about that, so I'm not sure.

full disk encryption is a major reason to use pro over home.

should your computer be lost or stolen, nobody will be able to paw
through your data without cracking the encryption.

Microsoft have made
two fundamental changes over the years. Those changes
have been radical, yet barely visible to the public.
With XP they started product activation and began
system file lockdown. That tied the OS to a single
computer.

you can thank those who pirated it for product activation.






Look at Adobe for a good example of that. They
started out offering rental of Photoshop. Then they
made that the only option. Now they're quite pleased
with their income from a rental-only product. All the
while they explained it would be a better deal for
their customers.

nope. adobe started out offering a standalone version of photoshop
about 30 years ago.

about 5 years ago, they added a subscription option, which turned out
to be far more successful than they expected, largely because it's a
better deal for most users.

only the full photoshop is no longer offered as a standalone product.
they do offer the consumer version, photoshop elements as standalone.
it doesn't do everything the full photoshop can do, but most users
aren't professional graphic artists and likely don't need it.

On 8/22/2018 5:05 PM, Paul wrote:
...
Oops.

But MSEdge isn't starting. If you do a Cortana search,
now a dialog appears asking for permission to install
MSEdge from the Microsoft Store. So any search that
Cortana cannot resolve locally, could well end up
prompting to put Edge back. (Even though the default
browser is set to Firefox.)

But as a customer, my satisfaction level is at an
all time high :-/ Or something.

Back then, File Explorer was tightly coupled with Internet Explorer. I
don't know about Edge....

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On 8/22/2018 10:32 AM, Mayayana wrote:

The essential function of Windows hasn't changed
much in 20 years. Most software from XP will run
on later systems. Most of what people do on computers
doesn't require Win10. The differences from XP to
10 are mainly cosmetic and hardware support issues.

Oh? How about the REQUIREMENT that apps' coding use relative memory
addressing and rely on the system to assign and coordinate memory
blocks, implemented in Vista, which then caused a number of
non-compliant XP apps to fail? Those requirements persist in current
versions of Windows. BTW -- what most people do on computers doesn't
require Windows, which is why the dominant market share is held by
Android phones.

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best regards,

Neil

"Neil" wrote

| The essential function of Windows hasn't changed
| much in 20 years. Most software from XP will run
| on later systems. Most of what people do on computers
| doesn't require Win10. The differences from XP to
| 10 are mainly cosmetic and hardware support issues.
|
| Oh? How about the REQUIREMENT that apps' coding use relative memory
| addressing and rely on the system to assign and coordinate memory
| blocks, implemented in Vista, which then caused a number of
| non-compliant XP apps to fail?

I don't know what you're referring to. In any case,
it's not an essential function. Was that in reference
to my comment that most XP software should run
on 7?
I'm guessing what you're talking about might be
Data Execution Prevention (DEP). As I recall that
was instituted in XP SP2. It blocked executable code
from running out of data memory. Not a big deal,
but some software did have to be rewritten at the
time.

And actually respecting DEP is not "REQUIRED", as
you put it. It's important for programmers if they
want their software to be dependable, but it can
be disabled using the /NoExecute boot option.

I doubt there's much software on XP that won't
run on Vista/7/8/10. Some needs a fix. For instance,
Visual Studio 6 came out with Win98 and requires
that a fake file named msjava.dll be put in the system
folder before it will install on Win7. But then it runs
fine. Visual Studio is the total package from Microsoft
for writing software. It doesn't get much more complex
than that.

All of my own software runs on 98 or XP up to 10.
Generally older software will run on newer systems
because Microsoft are *very* good about backward
compatibility. They don't break things that are officially
documented. In other words, if I stick to standard
Windows API I'm safe. If I use undocumented methods,
hacks, or 3rd-party wrappers from Acme Fly-By-Night
then there's no guarantee it will work in the next
Windows version.

| BTW -- what most people do on computers doesn't
| require Windows, which is why the dominant market share is held by
| Android phones.
|

Hardly. What most people do *on phones* can be done
on Android. You could theoretically edit photos or
write MS Word docs on a phone, but it wouldn't make
much sense. Allmost nothing I do can be done with
reasonable efficiency or comfort on a phone. Aside
from the lack of software there's the glaring problem
of Lilliputian ergonomics. Even email doesn't really work.
That's why I get emails that say:

------------------------------------
ar yOu going at 5OM?

Sent From My iPhone
------------------------------------

I don't see any usefulness in conflating desktops
with phones. Some people no longer need a desktop,
but that's a different issue. We're just talking about
people who use desktop software on desktops/laptops.
In that scenario, there's little practical difference
between different Windows versions, unless you need
a new version for software that's important to you.
But that's unlikely to be a Win7 problem for many years
to come. Win10 has been out for 3 years and is just
now pulling even with 7. Last I heard, 10 had about a
50% share. (So half the public apparently lives in the
Dark Ages.
Lack of support is only just now happening with XP.
The lastest Libre Office and Firefox don't run on XP.
A few other things won't run on XP. So far there's
nothing I need that won't run on XP. Would my fairly
new printer, which supports XP, run on 10? I don't know
and I'm glad I don't have to find out.

On 8/22/2018 2:27 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Neil" wrote

| The essential function of Windows hasn't changed
| much in 20 years. Most software from XP will run
| on later systems. Most of what people do on computers
| doesn't require Win10. The differences from XP to
| 10 are mainly cosmetic and hardware support issues.
|
| Oh? How about the REQUIREMENT that apps' coding use relative memory
| addressing and rely on the system to assign and coordinate memory
| blocks, implemented in Vista, which then caused a number of
| non-compliant XP apps to fail?

I don't know what you're referring to.

Perhaps the best next step is for you to do some research, since the
rest of your comments are completely off-target.

--
best regards,

Neil

"Neil" wrote

| | Oh? How about the REQUIREMENT that apps' coding use relative memory
| | addressing and rely on the system to assign and coordinate memory
| | blocks, implemented in Vista, which then caused a number of
| | non-compliant XP apps to fail?
|
| I don't know what you're referring to.
|
| Perhaps the best next step is for you to do some research, since the
| rest of your comments are completely off-target.

Research.... Your mind? If you don't know, or
won't say, what you're talking about then I
certainly don't know.

If you want to make a
point about some significant problem running
XP software on 7 I'll listen. Even if you have
a limited list I'd be curious to know. But if you
want to make a claim you need to be able to
back it up with facts and links, not just childish
pronouncements that "It's for me to know and
for you to find out".

Neil wrote:
On 8/22/2018 10:32 AM, Mayayana wrote:

The essential function of Windows hasn't changed
much in 20 years. Most software from XP will run
on later systems. Most of what people do on computers
doesn't require Win10. The differences from XP to
10 are mainly cosmetic and hardware support issues.

Oh? How about the REQUIREMENT that apps' coding use relative memory
addressing and rely on the system to assign and coordinate memory
blocks

ASLR: Address Space Layout Randomization ?

http://blog.morphisec.com/aslr-what-...-what-it-isnt/

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/...-windows-7-x64

"A registry setting is available to forcibly enable or
disable ASLR for all executables and libraries and is found at
HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management\MoveImages"

"The Enhanced Mitigation Experience Toolkit (EMET), downloadable
from Microsoft, allows to enable/disable ASLR it on a system
or process basis."

Paul

"Paul" wrote

| ASLR: Address Space Layout Randomization ?
|

This is fun. Let's guess Neil's mystery bugaboo.

But isn't ASLR a bit farfetched? I'm not aware
of any software that fails by not being ASLR-
aware. Also, he seems to be talking about trying
to control memory addressing. I'm not aware of any
reasoin anyone would even try to do that.

The only notable problem people had
going from XP to Vista was file restrictions.
But even that was mitigated to a great extent
by Microsoft's virtualizing of both the file system
and the Registry. They knew a lot of programs
wouldn't be compatible, so they decided to
trick them. Write to HKLM without permission and
it doesn't fail. It just goes to HKCU instead.

On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 11:50:31 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 22:23:10 -0700, Justin Tyme
wrote:
Snip

I agree. For me and pretty much all of my work colleagues, Win7 is the
place to be. Win8 if you must, but avoid 10.
Snip
Windows 10 isn't bad at all.

Huh? Apparently, we're two blind guys trying to describe an elephant.
You've got your arms wrapped around a sturdy leg, so for you it's pretty
solid. Meanwhile, I happened to grab the trunk, and to me this elephant
is an awful lot like a snake.


Lol, let go man, that is not his trunk!

Seriously, I see a mouse that you and your colleagues have assumed is
an elephant. Not So!

The last few versions of Windows 10 have been pretty good but Windows
10 was bad when it first came out, no argument there. I didn't use it
much more than you for the first year. It is much more stable now.

There exists simple fixes for all the things that bother you with
Windows 10. If you tell me what bothers you about Windows 10 then I
think I can give you solutions that work. Caveat, not every single
little problem though. I am not Paul

IIRC, you mentioned the unexpected reboots as one of the big issues.
You no doubt have Windows 7 set to 'Notify you before downloading
updates' and the unexpected reboot thing is totally unacceptable. I
get that. A reboot/update just as you are about to do a business
presentation must be fairly disturbing, to say the least. You can
schedule these things in Windows Update and it does seem to work
effectively. If you still do not trust Windows 10 it can be fixed
permanently.

You can make Windows 10 update just like Windows 7 update. It is a
simple matter to permanently stop automatic reboots after an update.
No third party software needed. You can make it so you have to click
reboot manually or Windows 10 will 'never' reboot after an update.

It is also easy to make it so you will be notified to download and
install updates, they won't just happen automatically. The same as
Windows 7. These changes will also survive the twice yearly updates. I
updated a vm from Win10 v1709 to Win10 v1803 to test and no change
after the update. No auto reboot and Notify before downloading updates
seem to be permanent changes.

I will post a simple method (tomorrow) to permanently fix Windows 10
update reboots, plus, have it notify you before downloading any
updates. You can dismiss the update dialog and download the updates at
a more convenient time if you wish and reboot when you want.
--
JT

On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 08:44:27 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Justin Tyme" wrote

| All true. The thing is, it only takes about 15 minutes to remove the
| apps, cortana etc. and Bob's yer Uncle (or maybe yer Aunt, who knows
| these days?) so 15 minutes every 6 months is not too bad.
|
| I only have to do this with the one computer I have that runs Win10
| Pro. The LTSB version doesn't have that crap in the first place.

You keep talking about LTSB. Win10 "sucks" but LTSB
is good. There's no legal way to get that without an
"enterprise" license, which requires paying for a very
large number of licenses in one batch, as part of a
corporate contract.

I bought my Windows 10 LTSB license on Ebay. I bought a key that
installs on 20 computers for $20. They have increased in price since I
bought mine. That was early last year and I now have it on at least a
dozen computers, no problem. I don't even know why I bought a key
since digital activation is quite easy with the new hack that is out.

Some of you will say these keys are stolen or illegal but that is BS.

I got to be friends with the Italian guy that was selling the
licenses. I asked him about legality etc., he explained to me that
firstly Ebay does not allow pirate software to be sold and they do
enforce it. It is possible to run into a shady guy but they don't last
long on Ebay. He also explained that it is perfectly legal in the EU
to sell licenses that have been salvaged from used machines. Microsoft
does permit this he says. For obvious reasons he didn't tell me the
name of the company that does the salvaging.

The grape vine says that a new version called Windows 10 LTSC 2019 is
due in late October.
Snip
--
JT

On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 08:44:27 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Justin Tyme" wrote

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Then you say Home "sucks" but Pro is good. There's
never been a lot of difference between the two, aside
from Pro being much more expensive. You can control
the Microsoft hacking a bit more with Pro, but that's
hardly a selling point. I have both Home and Pro
Win7 here. I never think about which is which. And
none of them require me to stop MS hacking.

Forgot to answer this.

Windows 10 Home vs Pro- Home is barebones. There is no gpedit, it can
be installed, but even if gpedit is installed to Home some of the
gpedit changes have no effect in Windows Home. There are the
advertised features of Pro that I use, others may not find any need
for those features, the main difference for me is the little things,
like a registry key that is in Pro but is useless or missing from
Home. I need to change this key. There are other little things that
come up also. I don't use Home enough to list all my problems with it
but Pro is definitely better for me. You may be fine with Windows 10
Home but I need Pro.

Snip

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JT

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 20:26:58 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Justin Tyme wrote:

Of course, I am free to think your choices are foolish as well.

Why do you say there is no advantage to removing the programs I don't
like? I think it is a huge advantage to remove bloatware. You remove
other programs you don't want/use so why not remove Microsoft
bloatware? Just because it comes from Microsoft does not make it some
holy software that thou shall not touch.

It's because the OS is upgraded twice a year (for
no apparent good reason), that making changes like
that are a waste of your time.

If you could be confident that removing an App,
removed it "forever", I'd be on your side.

However, I don't customize Windows 10 *at all*
because of its habit of undoing everything I do.
If I used Classic Shell for example, there would
be no guarantee that twice a year, something
would happen to it.

Well, that is not exactly true. Not all tweaks disappear.
I did an experiment to test this. After tweaking Windows 10 1709 I
updated through WU to version 1803. I did this to see what remains of
the tweaks.

I uninstalled all apps in v1709 (using powershell) and after the
update to v1803, only a few came back. Candy Crush, Minecraft,
Microsoft News, forgot the other one. These are all right
click/uninstall items so they are easy to remove. The store and all
the rest of the apps did not return. The only way to get the store
back is to change to a new account and the apps return. I tried
several methods to reinstall the store but failed. As expected Edge
and Cortana came back also. The tweaks that I did to Windows Update
are permanent unless one reverses the original steps. I didn't use
Winaero Tweaker so I don't know if those tweaks survive but I will
check it out the next time I am testing things.

Snip
Paul
--
JT

On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:10:10 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote:

IIRC, you mentioned the unexpected reboots as one of the big
issues. You no doubt have Windows 7 set to 'Notify you before
downloading updates' and the unexpected reboot thing is totally
unacceptable. I get that. A reboot/update just as you are about
to do a business presentation must be fairly disturbing, to say
the least. You can schedule these things in Windows Update and it
does seem to work effectively. If you still do not trust Windows
10 it can be fixed permanently.

If you're talking business presentations you're using Win10 Pro no
doubt. If not you're going to come across as a clueless amateur. In
that edition it's easy to control updates and reboots.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...e/waas-restart

On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:32:12 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:10:10 -0700, Justin Tyme wrote:

IIRC, you mentioned the unexpected reboots as one of the big
issues. You no doubt have Windows 7 set to 'Notify you before
downloading updates' and the unexpected reboot thing is totally
unacceptable. I get that. A reboot/update just as you are about
to do a business presentation must be fairly disturbing, to say
the least. You can schedule these things in Windows Update and it
does seem to work effectively. If you still do not trust Windows
10 it can be fixed permanently.

If you're talking business presentations you're using Win10 Pro no
doubt. If not you're going to come across as a clueless amateur. In
that edition it's easy to control updates and reboots.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...e/waas-restart

Please tell me more about controlling updates and reboots. I know about
the Active Hours control, but I'm not clear on how I can reboot on my
schedule, which is roughly every 60-90 days, or longer if I feel like
it.