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  #16  
Old September 22nd 18, 02:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
slate_leeper[_2_]
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Default Win-10 weirdness again update- even weirder

I wrote recently that the start menu was working again. Well, after
the next system reboot, it went back to icons only. Anything typed
produced a white box, with the typed letters otherwise ignored.

Looking at my log, I saw that the only thing I had changed since it
was working was to turn "use my sign in info..." in sign-in options to
OFF. Note that the start menu was working at that time, with the
setting ON.

So when I found start menu not working, I brought up the settings app
via ms-settings: in firefox so I could try turning that setting back
on. There I discovered that the setting was already reset to ON, So I
set it OFF again..

Then the start menu worked normally again.

Why would that setting have anything to do with the start menu,
especially turning it OFF when the start menu worked previously with
it ON?


BTW, the two programs with which I struggled to get to autostart have
continued autostarting just fine once they, for no known reason, began
to do so a few days ago.

Screen saver still might work once every few days. Here's a function
that has worked perfectly in Windows versions going back at least to
XP, yet malfunctions in this wonderful new ultra-stable Windows-10.
(OK, satire off.)


-dan z-


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  #17  
Old September 22nd 18, 04:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Win-10 weirdness again update- even weirder

On 9/22/2018 9:45 AM, slate_leeper wrote:
I wrote recently that the start menu was working again. Well, after
the next system reboot, it went back to icons only. Anything typed
produced a white box, with the typed letters otherwise ignored.

What icons were there? Did it include the Settings icon?

Looking at my log, I saw that the only thing I had changed since it
was working was to turn "use my sign in info..." in sign-in options to
OFF. Note that the start menu was working at that time, with the
setting ON.

So when I found start menu not working, I brought up the settings app
via ms-settings: in firefox so I could try turning that setting back
on. There I discovered that the setting was already reset to ON, So I
set it OFF again..

Why did you use FireFox instead of the Settings icon?

Then the start menu worked normally again.

Why would that setting have anything to do with the start menu,
especially turning it OFF when the start menu worked previously with
it ON?

Have you tried the "Learn More" link to understand what that option is
actually doing?


BTW, the two programs with which I struggled to get to autostart have
continued autostarting just fine once they, for no known reason, began
to do so a few days ago.

Screen saver still might work once every few days. Here's a function
that has worked perfectly in Windows versions going back at least to
XP, yet malfunctions in this wonderful new ultra-stable Windows-10.
(OK, satire off.)

Win10 is as different from XP as using an OS from another company, so if
this is your first OS after XP I'd recommend tossing almost all of the
practices involved in using that OS in order to maintain some semblance
of sanity. ;-)

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Neil
  #18  
Old September 22nd 18, 04:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Win-10 weirdness again update- even weirder

slate_leeper wrote:
I wrote recently that the start menu was working again. Well, after
the next system reboot, it went back to icons only. Anything typed
produced a white box, with the typed letters otherwise ignored.

Looking at my log, I saw that the only thing I had changed since it
was working was to turn "use my sign in info..." in sign-in options to
OFF. Note that the start menu was working at that time, with the
setting ON.

So when I found start menu not working, I brought up the settings app
via ms-settings: in firefox so I could try turning that setting back
on. There I discovered that the setting was already reset to ON, So I
set it OFF again..

Then the start menu worked normally again.

Why would that setting have anything to do with the start menu,
especially turning it OFF when the start menu worked previously with
it ON?


BTW, the two programs with which I struggled to get to autostart have
continued autostarting just fine once they, for no known reason, began
to do so a few days ago.

Screen saver still might work once every few days. Here's a function
that has worked perfectly in Windows versions going back at least to
XP, yet malfunctions in this wonderful new ultra-stable Windows-10.
(OK, satire off.)


-dan z-


So it's something related to this page ?

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

If the OS is restoring previous applications, the *Start menu is an App*.
Cortana is an App. MSEdge is an App. Maybe the OS uses the "in-box"
bit in the App database, to figure out things it should not be
restoring. (Things that come up on their own at startup.)

Paul
  #19  
Old September 23rd 18, 01:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 11:06:27 -0400, Neil
wrote:

On 9/22/2018 9:45 AM, slate_leeper wrote:
I wrote recently that the start menu was working again. Well, after
the next system reboot, it went back to icons only. Anything typed
produced a white box, with the typed letters otherwise ignored.

What icons were there? Did it include the Settings icon?


Yes, put clicking it produced only the white box, not the app.


Looking at my log, I saw that the only thing I had changed since it
was working was to turn "use my sign in info..." in sign-in options to
OFF. Note that the start menu was working at that time, with the
setting ON.

So when I found start menu not working, I brought up the settings app
via ms-settings: in firefox so I could try turning that setting back
on. There I discovered that the setting was already reset to ON, So I
set it OFF again..

Why did you use FireFox instead of the Settings icon?


As above, couldn't use the settings icon.

Then the start menu worked normally again.

Why would that setting have anything to do with the start menu,
especially turning it OFF when the start menu worked previously with
it ON?

Have you tried the "Learn More" link to understand what that option is
actually doing?


It says it allows my account to "automatically sign in" so updates can
be completed.

1) My account already automatically signs in, as I have no password.
2) There were no updates between the working/not working/working again
events.


BTW, the two programs with which I struggled to get to autostart have
continued autostarting just fine once they, for no known reason, began
to do so a few days ago.

Screen saver still might work once every few days. Here's a function
that has worked perfectly in Windows versions going back at least to
XP, yet malfunctions in this wonderful new ultra-stable Windows-10.
(OK, satire off.)

Win10 is as different from XP as using an OS from another company, so if
this is your first OS after XP I'd recommend tossing almost all of the
practices involved in using that OS in order to maintain some semblance
of sanity. ;-)


Actually, I STILL use XP under VirtualBox. I have some accounting
programs written by me decades ago that run in 16 bit only. Also an
old addictive game that works and looks much better with the old
version under XP than the "updated" version for Win-10 does.

BTW, the XP screen saver still works under VirtualBox.

-dan z-


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  #20  
Old September 23rd 18, 01:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
slate_leeper[_2_]
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 11:47:48 -0400, Paul
wrote:

slate_leeper wrote:
I wrote recently that the start menu was working again. Well, after
the next system reboot, it went back to icons only. Anything typed
produced a white box, with the typed letters otherwise ignored.

Looking at my log, I saw that the only thing I had changed since it
was working was to turn "use my sign in info..." in sign-in options to
OFF. Note that the start menu was working at that time, with the
setting ON.

So when I found start menu not working, I brought up the settings app
via ms-settings: in firefox so I could try turning that setting back
on. There I discovered that the setting was already reset to ON, So I
set it OFF again..

Then the start menu worked normally again.

Why would that setting have anything to do with the start menu,
especially turning it OFF when the start menu worked previously with
it ON?


BTW, the two programs with which I struggled to get to autostart have
continued autostarting just fine once they, for no known reason, began
to do so a few days ago.

Screen saver still might work once every few days. Here's a function
that has worked perfectly in Windows versions going back at least to
XP, yet malfunctions in this wonderful new ultra-stable Windows-10.
(OK, satire off.)


-dan z-


So it's something related to this page ?

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

If the OS is restoring previous applications, the *Start menu is an App*.
Cortana is an App. MSEdge is an App. Maybe the OS uses the "in-box"
bit in the App database, to figure out things it should not be
restoring. (Things that come up on their own at startup.)

Paul


Will, what that page describes and how it can be reset certainly
sounds exactly like what is happening to me. I still believe in the
term "weird." grin

Thank you. Now I won't worry about it so much, since resetting it is
reasonably simple.

This page allowed me to do that by running the settings app when the
settings icon was non-functional:
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/creat...-in-windows-10

The page says they are URLs, so I entered ms-settings:signinoptions
into Firefox, which gave a prompt re acceptance, and then brought up
the app. Cool.

-dan z-



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Old September 23rd 18, 02:15 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 17:27:06 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

On 22/09/2018 14:45, slate_leeper wrote:
I wrote recently that the start menu was working again. Well, after
the next system reboot, it went back to icons only. Anything typed
produced a white box, with the typed letters otherwise ignored.


I think you'll need to start producing images or short videos so that we
can follow what exactly is happening. I have never seen a Windows 10
machine giving so much trouble to anybody. In your case you have a
brand new machine with very powerful processor so it is even more
puzzling to me.

It looks like you may need to return the machine to the retailer or if
you can't do that, you may need to buy a new machine from DELL or HP so
that it has a warranty of 1 year (default) and you can extend it to 3 or
4 years by paying a small fee.


I Already have the extended premium warranty. Dell was able to solve
the problem back when the 1803 update would not install even from the
ISO disk. (see previous posts).

I have to conclude that the the problem is with the hardware so start
with the hard disk as it is not recording and/or retaining the data.

There are about 950 million users of windows 10 and very few of them
have ever complained like you have. Are you in the habit of downloading
pirated stuff like software and pdf books? If the answer is yes or
sometimes then it might be the main source of problems. There are two
pirates frequenting these newsgroups who are posting links to these
dodgy sites so be careful what you do with them.


No on the downloading. Yes on the tinkering. That is why I now keep
logs, so I can "untinker" if necessary. Always been a go-faster guy. I
used to spend thousands to make a race car a tenth-of-a-second faster.
Now I spend hours trying to bend a computer to doing things my way, a
tenth-of-a-second faster. I am also a "privacy nut." Just the way I
am. Sorry.

On the other hand, nothing I have had problems with is unique. Google
searches show many are having the same problems. And nothing I have
done SHOULD have caused problems, since I am simply adjusting settings
provided in Windows-10.

-dan z-


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Old September 23rd 18, 04:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 9/23/2018 8:38 AM, slate_leeper wrote:
On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 11:06:27 -0400, Neil
wrote:

On 9/22/2018 9:45 AM, slate_leeper wrote:
I wrote recently that the start menu was working again. Well, after
the next system reboot, it went back to icons only. Anything typed
produced a white box, with the typed letters otherwise ignored.

What icons were there? Did it include the Settings icon?


Yes, put clicking it produced only the white box, not the app.

Perhaps there is some process blocking completion of opening of the
Start Menu programs. Have you looked at Task Manager while the white box
is visible to check the running processes and how many system resources
they're consuming?

Why would that setting have anything to do with the start menu,
especially turning it OFF when the start menu worked previously with
it ON?

Have you tried the "Learn More" link to understand what that option is
actually doing?


It says it allows my account to "automatically sign in" so updates can
be completed.

1) My account already automatically signs in, as I have no password.
2) There were no updates between the working/not working/working again
events.

That implies that the problem has nothing to do with either the auto
sign in or updates. I would suspect some app or process as the cause.
Task manager and Error Logs may offer the most helpful insights.

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  #23  
Old September 25th 18, 01:17 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 20:28:03 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

slate_leeper wrote:

Win-10-64bit-Pro

Weird 1:
After rebooting the computer, pressing the Windows key results only in
a blank white box. Anything typed is ignored.

1 to 2 hours later, it starts showing the normal dark gray box and the
icons I have selected. However anything typed is still ignored.
Clicking the "All Apps" icon gives the list. Clicking on Cortana gives
the search box. Typing anything results in the blank white box. Same
result when pressing WindowsKey+S.

Task Manager shows Cortana as "suspended." There seems to be no option
to un-suspend.sfc /scannow found and fixed one corrupted file,
OneDrive.lnk. I don't use OneDrive, and can't imagine this being the
problem.

The DISM checkhealth option reported "no component store corruption
detected."

One website suggested shellexperiencehost being suspended might be
causing the problem, and that would show in TaskManager. TaskManager
does show Windows Shell Experience host as suspended, but again I
found no information on how to un-suspend.


Since you haven't looke at the Event Viewer to check, and to start
checking anew, I'd clear the events in Event Viewer and reboot. Then
look at Event Viewer to see what non-informational messages it had.


Advising someone who may not know better to clear their Event logs is
supremely bad advice. Instead, just use the filters that are provided.
It's easy to look at any desired time period using the available
filters.

When you clear the logs, everything logged is gone for good, which is
definitely not something anyone should suggest to others. Clear your own
logs if you like, but not someone else's. IMHO, of course.

  #24  
Old September 25th 18, 01:21 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 22:18:52 +1200, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:55:34 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

If you are using SSD then forget it. You won't be able run Windows 10
on it because 256GB is not enough with all that software and regular
updates. I know people don't agree with this but I am speaking from
experience. My machine came with 256GBSSD and 2TB normal WD hard disk.
I foolishly installed Windows 10 Professional on SSD and the problem
started (for nearly 1 month). I then switched everything to 2TB HD and
the problem went away and I am very happy with the machine.

SSD is a complete waste of money (& time) IMO.


I'm running Windows 10 quite happily on 512 GB of SSD and 2 TB of HD.
Also 32 GB of RAM. And I'm running Adobe CC, PS and LR, quite happily.


In case you weren't aware, "Good Guy" is one of our local village idiots
here in the Windows 10 group. Whatever his advice is, the opposite will
generally serve well.


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Old September 25th 18, 02:47 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Char Jackson wrote:

On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 20:28:03 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

slate_leeper wrote:

Win-10-64bit-Pro

Weird 1:
After rebooting the computer, pressing the Windows key results only in
a blank white box. Anything typed is ignored.

1 to 2 hours later, it starts showing the normal dark gray box and the
icons I have selected. However anything typed is still ignored.
Clicking the "All Apps" icon gives the list. Clicking on Cortana gives
the search box. Typing anything results in the blank white box. Same
result when pressing WindowsKey+S.

Task Manager shows Cortana as "suspended." There seems to be no option
to un-suspend.sfc /scannow found and fixed one corrupted file,
OneDrive.lnk. I don't use OneDrive, and can't imagine this being the
problem.

The DISM checkhealth option reported "no component store corruption
detected."

One website suggested shellexperiencehost being suspended might be
causing the problem, and that would show in TaskManager. TaskManager
does show Windows Shell Experience host as suspended, but again I
found no information on how to un-suspend.


Since you haven't looke at the Event Viewer to check, and to start
checking anew, I'd clear the events in Event Viewer and reboot. Then
look at Event Viewer to see what non-informational messages it had.


Advising someone who may not know better to clear their Event logs is
supremely bad advice. Instead, just use the filters that are provided.
It's easy to look at any desired time period using the available
filters.

When you clear the logs, everything logged is gone for good, which is
definitely not something anyone should suggest to others. Clear your own
logs if you like, but not someone else's. IMHO, of course.


It all rolls out, anyway (expires). If users haven't been monitoring
their logs, the old records disappear. Expiration is not by date but by
volume of new records.

Looking at logs only has value to see the rate of repetition for a
particular event. History has value only if you actually want the
history. Look at the OP's posts. You really think the OP gives a
gnat's fart about old records? He want to find out what happened NOW.

Saying that the OP must keep the old logs that he won't be reviewing is
a nebulous suggestion. Maybe YOU want to see if the same event got
recorded 2 weeks or 2 months ago but that doesn't appear to be what the
OP wants to do. Per your own advice, the OP should filter out all the
old logs, so he won't see them. Well, that's my suggestion does, too.
However, with huge-sized logs just to keep around records you don't care
about and won't be using because, gee, you'll be filtering them out,
makes using the viewer can be laggy. A lot faster to scroll through a
few thousand log entries than 20 million.


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Old September 25th 18, 05:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 20:47:08 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 20:28:03 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

slate_leeper wrote:

Win-10-64bit-Pro

Weird 1:
After rebooting the computer, pressing the Windows key results only in
a blank white box. Anything typed is ignored.

1 to 2 hours later, it starts showing the normal dark gray box and the
icons I have selected. However anything typed is still ignored.
Clicking the "All Apps" icon gives the list. Clicking on Cortana gives
the search box. Typing anything results in the blank white box. Same
result when pressing WindowsKey+S.

Task Manager shows Cortana as "suspended." There seems to be no option
to un-suspend.sfc /scannow found and fixed one corrupted file,
OneDrive.lnk. I don't use OneDrive, and can't imagine this being the
problem.

The DISM checkhealth option reported "no component store corruption
detected."

One website suggested shellexperiencehost being suspended might be
causing the problem, and that would show in TaskManager. TaskManager
does show Windows Shell Experience host as suspended, but again I
found no information on how to un-suspend.

Since you haven't looke at the Event Viewer to check, and to start
checking anew, I'd clear the events in Event Viewer and reboot. Then
look at Event Viewer to see what non-informational messages it had.


Advising someone who may not know better to clear their Event logs is
supremely bad advice. Instead, just use the filters that are provided.
It's easy to look at any desired time period using the available
filters.

When you clear the logs, everything logged is gone for good, which is
definitely not something anyone should suggest to others. Clear your own
logs if you like, but not someone else's. IMHO, of course.


It all rolls out, anyway (expires). If users haven't been monitoring
their logs, the old records disappear. Expiration is not by date but by
volume of new records.


"It all rolls out anyway" tells me that you simply don't get it. Event
logs are only useful if they exist. Deleting everything makes them
useless. Deleting everything so you can see what's new is just dumb
because you can use the provided filters to see the new stuff.

Like I said, clear your own logs anytime you like, but it's
irresponsible to suggest someone else should do it. Besides the OP,
others read posts here and might accidentally take your bad advice.

Looking at logs only has value to see the rate of repetition for a
particular event.


Not true, and you know it. Single events can be just as valuable as
repeated events.

History has value only if you actually want the
history. Look at the OP's posts. You really think the OP gives a
gnat's fart about old records? He want to find out what happened NOW.


You have no clue what the OP wants, nor do you have a clue what anyone
else who might come along and see your bad advice wants. Today, the OP
looks like he's trying to address a specific issue, but tomorrow he
might want to work on another issue and the advice might be to check his
event logs. His reply? "You mean the logs you told me to delete
yesterday?"

Saying that the OP must keep the old logs that he won't be reviewing is
a nebulous suggestion. Maybe YOU want to see if the same event got
recorded 2 weeks or 2 months ago but that doesn't appear to be what the
OP wants to do. Per your own advice, the OP should filter out all the
old logs, so he won't see them. Well, that's my suggestion does, too.


Unless I completely misread your post, your suggestion was to DELETE the
event logs ("clear the events in Event Viewer and reboot". Filtering and
deleting are not even close to being the same thing. You know better.

However, with huge-sized logs just to keep around records you don't care
about and won't be using because, gee, you'll be filtering them out,
makes using the viewer can be laggy. A lot faster to scroll through a
few thousand log entries than 20 million.


That's absolutely untrue, but you wouldn't know it because...wait for
it...you've probably screwed up your own event logs, too. If you can get
access to a system that you haven't screwed up, go ahead and give it a
shot. Use the filters to view a single day's worth of events, or
whatever period suits your fancy. Notice any lag? No, of course not.

  #27  
Old September 25th 18, 06:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Char Jackson wrote:

You have no clue what the OP wants,


Careful. Your logic applies to YOU, too.
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Old September 25th 18, 07:42 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 12:33:39 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

You have no clue what the OP wants,


Careful. Your logic applies to YOU, too.


Exactly, but preserving information is always safer than destroying it,
especially when it belongs to someone else. Thanks for helping me make
my point.

 




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