Linux

On 04/01/2011 04:36 PM, Stefan Patric wrote:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 04:00:48 +0000, Student wrote:

Linux has always intrigued me and I have tried many distros.

Intrigued? In what way?

I now have a computer with eSATA. I had a spare hard disk and eSata
enclosure.

To pass my time I tried Linux again tonight.

I tried Ubuntu, Mint gnome and Mint debian based.

Honestly Linux missed the boat just as IBM missed the boat with OS2.

In what way? Were you expecting it to be more like Windows this time
around? From your previous experience with Linux, you should have known
that would not be the case.

I am firmlly entrenched in windows 7 at home and xp at my office.

"Use what works best for you" has always been my advice when people ask
me which OS is "best."

From an AmigaOS-skipped-Windows-entirely-and-went-directly-to-Linux-10-
years-ago user,

Stef

I suggest the same thing to my clients, whatever works for them. However
many have decided to dual boot Winders and Linux to see which one they
like better or will work for them best. Guess which one they boot to the
most after a while? ..Yep Linux. The biggest problem I have with them is
loss of revenue, as I no longer have to clean, or redo their computers.
These fan-boys will drone on forever about their beloved MS OS, some
hilariously claim never having caught any Virus or Malware from Dos to
Win 7, I just laugh. Haven't been doing Linux as long as you, yep came
in a bit late, but am a user for over 5 years now. I use, test, and keep
up with Winders only for client support these days. I don't think any
"Boat" was missed, I think the OP is just an MS fan-boy, looking to
start a flame-war.

G'day

On 4/2/2011 10:04 PM, Muad'Dib wrote:
On 04/01/2011 04:36 PM, Stefan Patric wrote:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 04:00:48 +0000, Student wrote:

Linux has always intrigued me and I have tried many distros.

Intrigued? In what way?

I now have a computer with eSATA. I had a spare hard disk and eSata
enclosure.

To pass my time I tried Linux again tonight.

I tried Ubuntu, Mint gnome and Mint debian based.

Honestly Linux missed the boat just as IBM missed the boat with OS2.

In what way? Were you expecting it to be more like Windows this time
around? From your previous experience with Linux, you should have known
that would not be the case.

I am firmlly entrenched in windows 7 at home and xp at my office.

"Use what works best for you" has always been my advice when people ask
me which OS is "best."

From an AmigaOS-skipped-Windows-entirely-and-went-directly-to-Linux-10-
years-ago user,

Stef

I suggest the same thing to my clients, whatever works for them. However
many have decided to dual boot Winders and Linux to see which one they
like better or will work for them best. Guess which one they boot to the
most after a while? ..Yep Linux. The biggest problem I have with them is
loss of revenue, as I no longer have to clean, or redo their computers.
These fan-boys will drone on forever about their beloved MS OS, some
hilariously claim never having caught any Virus or Malware from Dos to
Win 7, I just laugh. Haven't been doing Linux as long as you, yep came
in a bit late, but am a user for over 5 years now. I use, test, and keep
up with Winders only for client support these days. I don't think any
"Boat" was missed, I think the OP is just an MS fan-boy, looking to
start a flame-war.

G'day

Take a trip to COLA and see the Linux fan-boys in action.

On 04/02/2011 08:10 PM, Big Steel wrote:
On 4/2/2011 10:04 PM, Muad'Dib wrote:
On 04/01/2011 04:36 PM, Stefan Patric wrote:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 04:00:48 +0000, Student wrote:

Linux has always intrigued me and I have tried many distros.

Intrigued? In what way?

I now have a computer with eSATA. I had a spare hard disk and eSata
enclosure.

To pass my time I tried Linux again tonight.

I tried Ubuntu, Mint gnome and Mint debian based.

Honestly Linux missed the boat just as IBM missed the boat with OS2.

In what way? Were you expecting it to be more like Windows this time
around? From your previous experience with Linux, you should have known
that would not be the case.

I am firmlly entrenched in windows 7 at home and xp at my office.

"Use what works best for you" has always been my advice when people ask
me which OS is "best."

From an AmigaOS-skipped-Windows-entirely-and-went-directly-to-Linux-10-
years-ago user,

Stef

I suggest the same thing to my clients, whatever works for them. However
many have decided to dual boot Winders and Linux to see which one they
like better or will work for them best. Guess which one they boot to the
most after a while? ..Yep Linux. The biggest problem I have with them is
loss of revenue, as I no longer have to clean, or redo their computers.
These fan-boys will drone on forever about their beloved MS OS, some
hilariously claim never having caught any Virus or Malware from Dos to
Win 7, I just laugh. Haven't been doing Linux as long as you, yep came
in a bit late, but am a user for over 5 years now. I use, test, and keep
up with Winders only for client support these days. I don't think any
"Boat" was missed, I think the OP is just an MS fan-boy, looking to
start a flame-war.

G'day

Take a trip to COLA and see the Linux fan-boys in action.

Of course, that IS after all,THEIR group, yet the MS fan-boys, shills,
fudsters, and the like constantly spew their droning crap. I responded
here regarding Linux simply because the subject was brought up. Run
along and clean your Winders install. After all, it's been a day since
the last cleaning right?

G'day

On 04/03/2011 02:48 AM, BillW50 wrote:
Alias wrote:
On 04/03/2011 12:19 AM, BillW50 wrote:
Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 4/02/11, Alias posted:
On 04/02/2011 12:09 PM, BillW50 wrote:
I have at least a dozen computers right in this
room alone.

Why do you have so many?

His heating furnace is out of order.

Nope, many reasons except heat. And most of them only draw 25 watts
anyway. This one is currently drawing 14.2 watts (yes I have a watt
meter connected). Most of the time only one is running. Two running at
the same time happens every once in a while. ;-)

1) Beta testing (the more the better)

2) Many different OS (dualbooting is obsolete here)

3) Backups (never have to worry about a computer failure)

4) Some are the same except have different CPUs installed (great for
performance and beta checking)


Classic example of someone who needs to get a ****ing life.

Somebody has to keep up with all computers.

Too bad that isn't you.

It is obvious that you are
clueless about them. ;-)


Projecting will get you nowhere.

--
Alias

On 04/03/2011 02:47 AM, BillW50 wrote:
Alias wrote:
On 04/03/2011 02:02 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 01:59:41 +0200, Alias wrote:

On 04/03/2011 12:52 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 00:47:01 +0200, Alias wrote:

On 04/03/2011 12:46 AM, BillW50 wrote:
Alias wrote:
On 04/02/2011 07:03 PM, BillW50 wrote:
And if you didn't like EWF or something, there are also lots of
other
things like sandboxes and the like.

Yeah, like Linux.

No not like Linux. As Linux is weak in the knees and just doesn't
have
the support that Windows has. Hell the Mac even has like 10 times
more
support than Linux does. And Windows has like 10 times more
support than
the Mac.

It is funny watching Linux fanatics brag. They think running a
widely
unsupported and ignored OS is such a great thing. ;-)


This from someone who thinks Outhouse Distress is a good program.

Attack the messenger when all else fails.
Looks like you failed, "Alias".


You wish.

Actually I know...

You failed.

Thunderbird?

You're kidding right?

See the reviews, it gets 1.5 stars out of 5:

http://email.about.com/u/r/cs/wincli...hunderbird.htm

More FOSS Slop Ware.......

I use T-Bird for text news only and very few newsgroups. I use Outlook
for email in Windows 7 and XP. T-Bird is still better than OE was.

It is obvious you don't know how to use OE.


I used it for years and used Steve's back up program. Since I upgraded
to Outlook for email and T-Bird for news, I haven't looked back.

--
Alias

On 04/03/2011 02:42 AM, BillW50 wrote:
Alias wrote:
On 04/03/2011 02:13 AM, BillW50 wrote:
Alias wrote:
On 04/03/2011 01:00 AM, BillW50 wrote:
Alias wrote:
On 04/03/2011 12:46 AM, BillW50 wrote:
Alias wrote:
On 04/02/2011 07:03 PM, BillW50 wrote:
And if you didn't like EWF or something, there are also lots of
other
things like sandboxes and the like.

Yeah, like Linux.

No not like Linux. As Linux is weak in the knees and just doesn't
have
the support that Windows has. Hell the Mac even has like 10 times
more
support than Linux does. And Windows has like 10 times more support
than
the Mac.

It is funny watching Linux fanatics brag. They think running a
widely
unsupported and ignored OS is such a great thing. ;-)


This from someone who thinks Outhouse Distress is a good program.

Far better than this piece of crap I am using right now under
Linux. ;-)

Try putting more than a gig in your OE Inbox, fool. OE was made for
last century's email. The outdated T-Bird can handle the load. OE
can't and never ****ing will.

I never had a single problem with OE. And I have been using it since
OE4. Although Thunderbird is a real piece of work, eh? No wonder why the
download numbers are so small, eh?

Put two gigs in your OE 4, 5 or 6 Inbox and get back to me. I don't
use T-Bird for email but that isn't the reason.

Why? Anything worth saving ends up in my saved folder and the rest gets
deleted. The same no matter which reader I use.


Inbox, son, Inbox, not news. Now stop moving the goal posts and send
yourself a gig of attachments to OE's Inbox and get back to me about how
great it is. I get 20+ MBs of attachments per email every day in my
business and OE just can't handle that load.

--
Alias

On 04/03/2011 02:30 AM, BillW50 wrote:
Alias wrote:
On 04/03/2011 01:43 AM, BillW50 wrote:
Alias wrote:
On 04/02/2011 05:20 PM, Boscoe wrote:
On 02/04/2011 3:58 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Gordon wrote:
On 02/04/2011 12:38, Big Steel wrote:

You can keep that little pipe dream going about how Linux as an
architecture to prevent malware. I no more belive than I believe
you.

Pipedream eh? So that's why well over 50% of the world's web servers
are Linux and yet, strange to seem, they don't get infected - the
Windows ones DO?

Really? Then who are buying all of those Linux antivirus software
then?

Viruses and Worms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...mputer_viruses
Malwa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware
Viruses: http://vx.netlux.org/ (http://vx.netlux.org/vl.php)


He's a Linux troll and, as all of his playmates on here don't
bother any
more, he's found someone else to play with. YOU!!

He's known for spreading FUD about Windows on here and doesn't know
what
he's talking about....

Liar.

Actually you are the liar. Just like I said before, the pot calling the
kettle black. Someday you will look in the mirror and shock yourself.
;-)

http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/154765/187/

So, leave him alone and let him play with himself, again.

Gosh, a rip off web site that tries to scare Linux users into buying
their anti malware software. Not very convincing, sport.

Anything to do with Linux is a ripoff. Even the old outdated Commodore
64 has more popularity than Linux does. Pretty sad, eh?


Gosh, I wonder why I see books about Ubuntu/Linux in all the
bookstores round town and why do I see all the computer chains here
displaying computers with Ubuntu/Linux running them? Oh, it's not the
USA, that's why. With Windows and Apple you can count the activations
and units sold. You can't count the times a person shares or copies a
CD/DVD, dumb ****. Millions use Linux.

Millions use Linux? Millions used the Commodore 64. So what does that
mean? Nothing really, eh? Millions more use the Mac. And 10 times more
than the Mac use Windows. So what does that make Linux? Nothing but a
footnote in history. It just amazes me how illogical you think.

Oh, and popularity doesn't necessarily mean quality. Bush proved that
in spades. So did cigarettes. So did AOL. Microsoft's strength isn't
in its ability to make a good product but its ability to sell a bad
product to a lot of clueless computer users.

Not very smart are you? Since Linux is free and you say it is great.
Than why don't more than 1% use it?

They do and it's growing. If you were to remove the USA from the stats,
the percentage is much higher.

You would think since it is free it
should take over the world. But it doesn't because it doesn't do much at
all. And that is what turns off the other 99%.


MS spends a lot of money (millions) on FUD that naive folks like you
believe, that's why. Most people have never used Linux due to MS FUD.
They think that Linux is for geeks and would be too technical for them.
I've seen it time and again when I've converted people from Windows to
Linux with the common reaction being, "this is much better and easier
than I thought".

--
Alias

On 04/03/2011 02:56 AM, BillW50 wrote:
Alias wrote:
On 04/03/2011 01:28 AM, BillW50 wrote:
Alias wrote:
On 04/02/2011 06:08 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Gordon wrote:
On 02/04/2011 16:35, Boscoe wrote:
On 02/04/2011 4:28 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 02/04/2011 16:20, Boscoe wrote:



He's a Linux troll

Oh yeah? I'm also a Community Contributor on the MS Answers forums
if you had the skills and intelligence to post there...

Gosh!! He has trouble doing up his shoe laces.

And here's a Linux kernel exploit with hundreds more if you care to
look.http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/154707

sigh That's a vulnerability in Ubuntu 6.06 - that version is FIVE
YEARS OLD - I shouldn't think ANYONE is using it now. Can't you come
up with anything more recent? Like to list the vulnerabilities in XP?
That's the same age...

Odd, some would call Ubuntu a virus. As Linux fanatics convinced me to
run Ubuntu Live. And they said don't worry, it won't harm your Windows
install. As Linux won't touch it. As it runs totally in RAM and won't
even look at the drive.

Ok sounds good to me and I ran Ubuntu Live v8.xx and some things
didn't
work like the WiFi, webcam, and stuff. Ok that was fun. So I
rebooted to
Windows and it won't let me into the desktop. A window displayed said
Windows Installer and nothing would work. Odd since I just ran Ubuntu
Live, wouldn't you say?

Restored Windows from a backup and it was running just fine. Say you
don't think Linux users lied to me do you? Naw... Linux users never
lie
right? Well just in case, I ran Ubuntu Live again. Rebooted to Windows
and lo and behold, Windows is screwed up again. But it can't be Linux
right?

Since it can't be Linux, I did it a third time. And as sure as the sun
rises, it did it again. So every time I ran Ubuntu Live, it toasted my
Windows install. And it turns out that Ubuntu Live actually does write
to the Windows partition. And it looks for the Windows pagefile to use
for itself. And if it doesn't find one (I didn't have one), Ubuntu
gets
mad and toasts your Windows install.

I don't know Gordon? I believe some would classify that as a Windows
virus. After all, it does fit under the definition of one anyway. ;-)

Bitch, bitch, bitch.

Why do you complain all of the time?

An observation, not a complaint.

And mine was an observation about Ubuntu and you call it a complaint.
And you are too coward to answer questions like why is Ubuntu messing
around in the Windows partition. But we know you are dumber than dirt
and can't answer that question, eh? Because if you could, you would.

Yes I know how you hate the story of how Linux toasted Windows.

I thought it quite funny and you got your just desserts. I don't hate
anything but hatred.

But no
reason to complain about it, eh?


I laughed out loud at your stupidity and ignorance.

Then why are you too coward to answer questions? All you can do is to
act stupid. Surely you act smarter than that. So why are you so afraid?


I answered your dumb questions multiple times. You're just too stupid to
understand the answers.

--
Alias

On 04/03/2011 02:15 AM, Alias wrote:
On 04/03/2011 02:30 AM, BillW50 wrote:
Alias wrote:
On 04/03/2011 01:43 AM, BillW50 wrote:
Alias wrote:
On 04/02/2011 05:20 PM, Boscoe wrote:
On 02/04/2011 3:58 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Gordon wrote:
On 02/04/2011 12:38, Big Steel wrote:

You can keep that little pipe dream going about how Linux as an
architecture to prevent malware. I no more belive than I believe
you.

Pipedream eh? So that's why well over 50% of the world's web
servers
are Linux and yet, strange to seem, they don't get infected - the
Windows ones DO?

Really? Then who are buying all of those Linux antivirus software
then?

Viruses and Worms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...mputer_viruses
Malwa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware
Viruses: http://vx.netlux.org/ (http://vx.netlux.org/vl.php)


He's a Linux troll and, as all of his playmates on here don't
bother any
more, he's found someone else to play with. YOU!!

He's known for spreading FUD about Windows on here and doesn't know
what
he's talking about....

Liar.

Actually you are the liar. Just like I said before, the pot calling the
kettle black. Someday you will look in the mirror and shock yourself.
;-)

http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/154765/187/

So, leave him alone and let him play with himself, again.

Gosh, a rip off web site that tries to scare Linux users into buying
their anti malware software. Not very convincing, sport.

Anything to do with Linux is a ripoff. Even the old outdated Commodore
64 has more popularity than Linux does. Pretty sad, eh?


Gosh, I wonder why I see books about Ubuntu/Linux in all the
bookstores round town and why do I see all the computer chains here
displaying computers with Ubuntu/Linux running them? Oh, it's not the
USA, that's why. With Windows and Apple you can count the activations
and units sold. You can't count the times a person shares or copies a
CD/DVD, dumb ****. Millions use Linux.

Millions use Linux? Millions used the Commodore 64. So what does that
mean? Nothing really, eh? Millions more use the Mac. And 10 times more
than the Mac use Windows. So what does that make Linux? Nothing but a
footnote in history. It just amazes me how illogical you think.

Oh, and popularity doesn't necessarily mean quality. Bush proved that
in spades. So did cigarettes. So did AOL. Microsoft's strength isn't
in its ability to make a good product but its ability to sell a bad
product to a lot of clueless computer users.

Not very smart are you? Since Linux is free and you say it is great.
Than why don't more than 1% use it?

They do and it's growing. If you were to remove the USA from the stats,
the percentage is much higher.

You would think since it is free it
should take over the world. But it doesn't because it doesn't do much at
all. And that is what turns off the other 99%.


MS spends a lot of money (millions) on FUD that naive folks like you
believe, that's why. Most people have never used Linux due to MS FUD.
They think that Linux is for geeks and would be too technical for them.
I've seen it time and again when I've converted people from Windows to
Linux with the common reaction being, "this is much better and easier
than I thought".


If people would bother to take the time to read released internal MS
documents as a result of lawsuits, they would likely have a different
opinion about what they hold so dear. Their agendas and methodology
to fulfill them, leaves no question at all as to how underhanded they
truly are. I have read them all, and I have no respect for them and
their methods. The company was founded on basically stealing
programs/code, which that alone is despicable. What really cracks-me-up
is that they STILL, (Caps just for you Ken), can't stand on their own,
stealing what they think they can get away with. Marketing? Truly
superior! ..But then they have to be superior in marketing, their OS
sure isn't superior, just used by many duped people convinced there is
nothing else to use.

G'day

Muad'Dib wrote:
If people would bother to take the time to read released internal MS
documents as a result of lawsuits, they would likely have a different
opinion about what they hold so dear. Their agendas and methodology
to fulfill them, leaves no question at all as to how underhanded they
truly are. I have read them all, and I have no respect for them and
their methods. The company was founded on basically stealing
programs/code, which that alone is despicable. What really cracks-me-up
is that they STILL, (Caps just for you Ken), can't stand on their own,
stealing what they think they can get away with. Marketing? Truly
superior! ..But then they have to be superior in marketing, their OS
sure isn't superior, just used by many duped people convinced there is
nothing else to use.

G'day

Why limit your knowledge just about Microsoft? How about including the
rest of them? How about when I spent $1000 on software from Berkeley
Softworks? And what happened? They stopped development and used all of
the money to sink into the IBM-PC. And those that got suckered into that
one, was left high and dry once again.

Or what about Digital Research? I was writing the first and only CP/M
Office Suite. Then one day Gary Kildall killed off CP/M overnight. He
never cared what customers wanted and it killed DR. Yet DR had the whole
world in their hands and could have been the Microsoft of today. But he
kept stabbing everybody in the back.

What about Netscape? It wasn't free back then and when IE4 came out,
they were too lazy to recode Netscape into modules like Microsoft did.
And Netscape been sliding down ever since.

I could write a book about all of the horror stories about other
companies. And in comparison, Microsoft is a saint compared to the
majority of them.

--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Xandros Linux (build 2007-10-19 13:03)

Alias wrote:
I answered your dumb questions multiple times. You're just too stupid to
understand the answers.

No you didn't? So why is Ubuntu Live writing in the Windows partition?

--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Xandros Linux (build 2007-10-19 13:03)

Alias wrote:
MS spends a lot of money (millions) on FUD that naive folks like you
believe, that's why.

That's not true. I rarely hear anything from Microsoft. It is all of the
third parties is what I hear from. And lots of FUD there.

Most people have never used Linux due to MS FUD.

Not true either. And most of the people who tried Linux, did so based on
Linux FUD.

They think that Linux is for geeks and would be too technical for them.

And sometimes it is. That is what the Terminal window is for.

I've seen it time and again when I've converted people from Windows to
Linux with the common reaction being, "this is much better and easier
than I thought".

Yes I seen this as well. But 99% of them will later give up when they
learn that Linux doesn't run the applications they want to run. Hell
that is the biggest reason why I don't care much for Linux either. To
me, Linux is just a glorified PDA OS.

--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Xandros Linux (build 2007-10-19 13:03)

Alias wrote:
Inbox, son, Inbox, not news. Now stop moving the goal posts and send
yourself a gig of attachments to OE's Inbox and get back to me about how
great it is. I get 20+ MBs of attachments per email every day in my
business and OE just can't handle that load.

Don't use the Inbox, I use MAPI for email. POP is way too limited for my
needs. POP doesn't allow automatic syncing with multiple computers
either (and I have many). So what good is it?

--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Xandros Linux (build 2007-10-19 13:03)

On 04/03/2011 04:25 AM, BillW50 wrote:
Muad'Dib wrote:
If people would bother to take the time to read released internal MS
documents as a result of lawsuits, they would likely have a different
opinion about what they hold so dear. Their agendas and methodology
to fulfill them, leaves no question at all as to how underhanded they
truly are. I have read them all, and I have no respect for them and
their methods. The company was founded on basically stealing
programs/code, which that alone is despicable. What really
cracks-me-up is that they STILL, (Caps just for you Ken), can't stand
on their own, stealing what they think they can get away with.
Marketing? Truly superior! ..But then they have to be superior in
marketing, their OS sure isn't superior, just used by many duped
people convinced there is nothing else to use.

G'day

Why limit your knowledge just about Microsoft? How about including the
rest of them? How about when I spent $1000 on software from Berkeley
Softworks? And what happened? They stopped development and used all of
the money to sink into the IBM-PC. And those that got suckered into that
one, was left high and dry once again.

Or what about Digital Research? I was writing the first and only CP/M
Office Suite. Then one day Gary Kildall killed off CP/M overnight. He
never cared what customers wanted and it killed DR. Yet DR had the whole
world in their hands and could have been the Microsoft of today. But he
kept stabbing everybody in the back.

What about Netscape? It wasn't free back then and when IE4 came out,
they were too lazy to recode Netscape into modules like Microsoft did.
And Netscape been sliding down ever since.

I could write a book about all of the horror stories about other
companies. And in comparison, Microsoft is a saint compared to the
majority of them.


Because I'm talking about Microsoft, not every other company in the
world. I am not stupid and fully am aware of the underhanded practices
of MANY, (Caps just for Ken), many companies, but those same companies
don't produce an OS which MS does, ah well, do they? What is original
and what is stolen? They couldn't even completely write Office
originally, yep lost a lawsuit over that recently. They can't even do a
search engine independently, they swiped Google results, and now
ludicrously are trying to sue Google?? MS has no shame! Face it, they
simply cannot write a single program on their own, which is how they
started in the first place, on someone else's code. Next?

G'day

Alias wrote:
On 04/03/2011 02:47 AM, BillW50 wrote:
It is obvious you don't know how to use OE.

I used it for years and used Steve's back up program. Since I upgraded
to Outlook for email and T-Bird for news, I haven't looked back.

I never had to backup OE. Why? Everything from MAPI email and newsgroups
are on the servers anyway, And Thunderbird is terrible for searches and
finding posts. OE is so much faster and easier.

--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Xandros Linux (build 2007-10-19 13:03)