I Can't See My Scrollbar

"geezer" wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:31:33 +1000, "a nonymous"
wrote:


FOR EACH item IN "Font settings" area
// (Arabic, Baltic, ... , Vietnamese, Western European)
{
set "Proportional font" to "Lucida Console" or "Discovery"
set "Fixed-width font" to "Lucida Console"
Set "Font size" to "Largest"
Set "Encoding" to "Western European (Windows)"
}



And so - how does all of this help me to be able to see the scroll bar
and its slide in, for example, Windows Express? I can hardly see the
darned thing!


Me2
Buy a 3x magnifying glass...you _know_ it makes sense VBG
i'm quite serious, it seems to be the only way!
(Yes, I know about *Magnifier* - yuk.)

I am now realising how UTTERLY CLUELESS the average software
designer/webmaster/what have you IS as regards we poor souls who are losing
their eysight :-((
Admittedly, when _I_ had good eyesight ( 2 years ago),_I_ never gave it a
thought either :-o)
They have NO IDEA what it's like, have they?

"a nonymous" wrote in message
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"zulu" wrote:
|
| "a nonymous" wrote in message
| ...
|
| "zulu" wrote:
| | I have just spent 20 minutes TRYING to change the font _HERE_ to
| | 14 point *Discovery* *Bold* I give up... :-((((((
| |
| | Interestingly, the font the OP was using appears to have been the
| | CAUSE of the lack of legibility as I could read it in my previous
post!
| | (If that makes sense!)
| |
| | explain please!
|
| zulu,
|
| Outlook Express
| Tools
| Options
| /Read\
| [Y] Read all messages in plain text
|
| It's been set at _that_ since forever!
| It must be another MS *feature* that almost works in that case... :-(
|
|
| Also, at the bottom of /Read\,
| [Fonts...] and [International Settings...]
|
| Set at *Discovery* Lucida Console* and *Western European*
| Is this incorrect?
|
| The term *Fixed width font* means nowt to me, BTW o_)
| Well, i understand f*ixed width*, of course but why do we NEED it?
| I wouldn't change that one to *Discovery* as I assumed *Discovery*
wasn't
| FW.


Outlook Express
Tools
Options
/Read\
[Fonts...]

FOR EACH item IN "Font settings" area
// (Arabic, Baltic, ... , Vietnamese, Western European)
{
set "Proportional font" to "Lucida Console" or "Discovery"
set "Fixed-width font" to "Lucida Console"
Set "Font size" to "Largest"
Set "Encoding" to "Western European (Windows)"
}

Exactly as it is now ("Lucida Console"and "Discovery") _exept that_ I only
did it for Western European.
Off to set the rest now........
TYVM

"geezer" wrote:
| "a nonymous"wrote:
| FOR EACH item IN "Font settings" area
| ...
| }
| And so - how does all of this help me to be able to see the scroll bar
| and its slide in, for example, Windows Express? I can hardly see the
| darned thing!

My reply answered Zulu's question.

If you switch to "Windows Classic" view, you can change the width and
colour of your scroll bar:

Control Panel
Display
Appearance
Advanced
Item: 3D Objects Color 1: -darker colour-
Item: Scrollbar Size: -larger size-

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:27:04 +1000, "a nonymous"
wrote:



If you switch to "Windows Classic" view, you can change the width and
colour of your scroll bar:

Control Panel
Display
Appearance
Advanced
Item: 3D Objects Color 1: -darker colour-
Item: Scrollbar Size: -larger size-



Okay - maybe I am dumb. People have said so. :)

Anyway- I AM using Classic mode - where is the place in which I can
set the scroll bar color/visibility?

Under '3D objects' I only get to choose the color. I sure do not see
anything referring to darker color or larger size. What am I missing?

Thanks

"geezer" wrote:
| On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:27:04 +1000, "a nonymous" wrote:
| If you switch to "Windows Classic" view, you can change the width and
| colour of your scroll bar:
|
| Control Panel
| Display
| Appearance
| Advanced
| Item: 3D Objects Color 1: -darker colour-
| Item: Scrollbar Size: -larger size-
|
| Okay - maybe I am dumb. People have said so. :)
|
| Anyway- I AM using Classic mode - where is the place in which I can
| set the scroll bar color/visibility?
|
| Under '3D objects' I only get to choose the color. I sure do not see
| anything referring to darker color or larger size. What am I missing?


For "Item: 3D objects",
Click on the coloured box below "Color 1:"
Choose a darker colour

For "Item: Scrollbar",
click on the box containing numeric digits below "Size:"
Choose a larger size

Good advice:::::::
Create a restore point BEFORE you have to start all over yet again...
How many times have I been down this roure?
Don't ask!

--
¦ zulu ¦


"a nonymous" wrote in message
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"geezer" wrote:
| On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:27:04 +1000, "a nonymous" wrote:
| If you switch to "Windows Classic" view, you can change the width and
| colour of your scroll bar:
|
| Control Panel
| Display
| Appearance
| Advanced
| Item: 3D Objects Color 1: -darker colour-
| Item: Scrollbar Size: -larger size-
|
| Okay - maybe I am dumb. People have said so. :)
|
| Anyway- I AM using Classic mode - where is the place in which I can
| set the scroll bar color/visibility?
|
| Under '3D objects' I only get to choose the color. I sure do not see
| anything referring to darker color or larger size. What am I missing?


For "Item: 3D objects",
Click on the coloured box below "Color 1:"
Choose a darker colour

For "Item: Scrollbar",
click on the box containing numeric digits below "Size:"
Choose a larger size

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:55:04 +1000, "a nonymous"
wrote:

For "Item: 3D objects",
Click on the coloured box below "Color 1:"
Choose a darker colour

This made the background of selected windows the darker color. I see
no effect on the scrollbar itself.


For "Item: Scrollbar",
click on the box containing numeric digits below "Size:"
Choose a larger size


The larger size worked, but nothing else. I did notice that under
Control PanelDisplayAppearanceAdvanced, that under scrollbar there
are two color boxes - color 1 and color 2. On my machine (WXP PRO),
neither shows any color, both are gray'ed out, and both do nothing.
Does this mean anything to you?

Why is this so hard anyway? Seems like such a simple thing to provide
control over. What was Gil B thinking?

Thanks

To reply to my own post (!)
I just tried yet again...
BIG MISTAKE - IF IT WORKS, DON'T FIX IT
(Even if it IS crippled)

I changed from XP(Modified) to Classic

Control Panel
Display
Appearance
Advanced
Item: 3D Objects Color 1: -darker colour-

I chose a darkish blue...
Total disaster!
I couldn't read a deleted thing, even with the aid of my trusty 3x
magnifying glass.
(Bear in mind tht the pane is too small as well...)
At that point I panicked and restored!
Like I said...
Create a restore point BEFORE .......

AArrgggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


"zulu" wrote in message
...
Good advice:::::::
Create a restore point BEFORE you have to start all over yet again...
How many times have I been down this roure?
Don't ask!

--
¦ zulu ¦


"a nonymous" wrote in message
...

"geezer" wrote:
| On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:27:04 +1000, "a nonymous" wrote:
| If you switch to "Windows Classic" view, you can change the width and
| colour of your scroll bar:
|
| Control Panel
| Display
| Appearance
| Advanced
| Item: 3D Objects Color 1: -darker colour-
| Item: Scrollbar Size: -larger size-
|
| Okay - maybe I am dumb. People have said so. :)
|
| Anyway- I AM using Classic mode - where is the place in which I can
| set the scroll bar color/visibility?
|
| Under '3D objects' I only get to choose the color. I sure do not see
| anything referring to darker color or larger size. What am I missing?


For "Item: 3D objects",
Click on the coloured box below "Color 1:"
Choose a darker colour

For "Item: Scrollbar",
click on the box containing numeric digits below "Size:"
Choose a larger size

"geezer" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:55:04 +1000, "a nonymous"
wrote:

For "Item: 3D objects",
Click on the coloured box below "Color 1:"
Choose a darker colour

This made the background of selected windows the darker color. I see
no effect on the scrollbar itself.


For "Item: Scrollbar",
click on the box containing numeric digits below "Size:"
Choose a larger size


The larger size worked, but nothing else. I did notice that under
Control PanelDisplayAppearanceAdvanced, that under scrollbar there
are two color boxes - color 1 and color 2. On my machine (WXP PRO),
neither shows any color, both are gray'ed out, and both do nothing.
Does this mean anything to you?

Why is this so hard anyway? Seems like such a simple thing to provide
control over. What was Gil B thinking?

Bloody stupid, lksn't it!
See my other post!

"geezer" wrote:
| "a nonymous" wrote:
| For "Item: 3D objects",
| Click on the coloured box below "Color 1:"
| Choose a darker colour
| This made the background of selected windows the darker color.
| I see no effect on the scrollbar itself.

What do you mean by "the background of selected windows"?
When you open that dialog box, it shows "Item: Desktop".

I told you to select "Item: 3D objects",

Look at the preview area.
In the sample "Message Box", click on the "[ OK ]" button.
This will give you "Item: 3D objects",
Change "Color 1:".
In the sample "Active Window", observe the colour of the
"up/down-arrow" buttons in the vertical scrollbar


| For "Item: Scrollbar",
| click on the box containing numeric digits below "Size:"
| Choose a larger size
| The larger size worked, but nothing else. I did notice that under
| Control PanelDisplayAppearanceAdvanced, that under scrollbar there
| are two color boxes - color 1 and color 2. On my machine (WXP PRO),
| neither shows any color, both are gray'ed out, and both do nothing.
| Does this mean anything to you?

It means that you can independently adjust only the size of Scrollbars.
The colour for Scrollbars is included in "Item: 3D objects",

| | "a nonymous" wrote:
| | If you switch to "Windows Classic" view, you can change the width and
| | colour of your scroll bar:
| | Control Panel
| | Display
| | Appearance
| | Advanced
| | Item: 3D Objects Color 1: -darker colour-
| | Item: Scrollbar Size: -larger size-

| "geezer" wrote:
| | I AM using Classic mode - where is the place in which I can
| | set the scroll bar color/visibility?
| | Under '3D objects' I only get to choose the color. I sure do not see
| | anything referring to darker color or larger size. What am I missing?

| "a nonymous" wrote:
| For "Item: 3D objects",
| Click on the coloured box below "Color 1:"
| Choose a darker colour
| For "Item: Scrollbar",
| click on the box containing numeric digits below "Size:"
| Choose a larger size

| "zulu" wrote:
| Create a restore point BEFORE you have to start all over yet again...
| I just tried yet again. BIG MISTAKE - IF IT WORKS, DON'T FIX IT
| (Even if it IS crippled)
| I changed from XP(Modified) to Classic
| Control Panel
| Display
| Appearance
| Advanced
| Item: 3D Objects Color 1: -darker colour-
| I chose a darkish blue. Total disaster!
| I couldn't read a thing, even with the aid of my 3x magnifying glass.
| (Bear in mind tht the pane is too small as well...)
| At that point I panicked and restored! Like I said.
| Create a restore point BEFORE .

Also, inspect the samples in the preview area in the Advanced dialog box.

"a nonymous" wrote in message
...
| | "a nonymous" wrote:
| | If you switch to "Windows Classic" view, you can change the width
and
| | colour of your scroll bar:
| | Control Panel
| | Display
| | Appearance
| | Advanced
| | Item: 3D Objects Color 1: -darker colour-
| | Item: Scrollbar Size: -larger size-

| "geezer" wrote:
| | I AM using Classic mode - where is the place in which I can
| | set the scroll bar color/visibility?
| | Under '3D objects' I only get to choose the color. I sure do not
see
| | anything referring to darker color or larger size. What am I
missing?

| "a nonymous" wrote:
| For "Item: 3D objects",
| Click on the coloured box below "Color 1:"
| Choose a darker colour
| For "Item: Scrollbar",
| click on the box containing numeric digits below "Size:"
| Choose a larger size

| "zulu" wrote:
| Create a restore point BEFORE you have to start all over yet again...
| I just tried yet again. BIG MISTAKE - IF IT WORKS, DON'T FIX IT
| (Even if it IS crippled)
| I changed from XP(Modified) to Classic
| Control Panel
| Display
| Appearance
| Advanced
| Item: 3D Objects Color 1: -darker colour-
| I chose a darkish blue. Total disaster!
| I couldn't read a thing, even with the aid of my 3x magnifying glass.
| (Bear in mind tht the pane is too small as well...)
| At that point I panicked and restored! Like I said.
| Create a restore point BEFORE .

Also, inspect the samples in the preview area in the Advanced dialog box.


Amen to that,! .but I only wanted to change the deleted scrollbar, not the
who shebang.
I really don't want to revert to any of the *Classic* Themes if I can avoid
it.

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:44:09 GMT, "zulu" wrote:

Amen to that,! .but I only wanted to change the deleted scrollbar, not the
who shebang.
I really don't want to revert to any of the *Classic* Themes if I can avoid
it.


At this point I have become convinced that the MS programmers who
designed 'Appearance' under Display must have been drunk or otherwise
spaced out when they created this option.

The whole scenario is ridiculously confusing, to put is mildly. To
leave the scrollbar and its 'slide' practically invisible, and to
provide no way to simply change that all by itself part from all the
other display elements, is hard to accept - at least for me,

Don't MS developers ever use the scrollbar? Must not.

I give up trying to darken, or otherwise make more visible, the
scrollbar and its slide. I seem to be beating a dead horse.


Cya

"geezer" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:44:09 GMT, "zulu" wrote:

Amen to that,! .but I only wanted to change the deleted scrollbar, not
the
who shebang.
I really don't want to revert to any of the *Classic* Themes if I can
avoid
it.


At this point I have become convinced that the MS programmers who
designed 'Appearance' under Display must have been drunk or otherwise
spaced out when they created this option.

The whole scenario is ridiculously confusing, to put is mildly. To
leave the scrollbar and its 'slide' practically invisible, and to
provide no way to simply change that all by itself part from all the
other display elements, is hard to accept - at least for me,

Don't MS developers ever use the scrollbar? Must not.

I give up trying to darken, or otherwise make more visible, the
scrollbar and its slide. I seem to be beating a dead horse.


Never mind, David Candy has leapt in with his usual helpful fix...

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:52:51 GMT, "zulu" wrote:


"geezer" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:44:09 GMT, "zulu" wrote:

Amen to that,! .but I only wanted to change the deleted scrollbar, not
the
who shebang.
I really don't want to revert to any of the *Classic* Themes if I can
avoid
it.


At this point I have become convinced that the MS programmers who
designed 'Appearance' under Display must have been drunk or otherwise
spaced out when they created this option.

The whole scenario is ridiculously confusing, to put is mildly. To
leave the scrollbar and its 'slide' practically invisible, and to
provide no way to simply change that all by itself part from all the
other display elements, is hard to accept - at least for me,

Don't MS developers ever use the scrollbar? Must not.

I give up trying to darken, or otherwise make more visible, the
scrollbar and its slide. I seem to be beating a dead horse.


Never mind, David Candy has leapt in with his usual helpful fix...




David - this 'geezer' probably was into computers before you were even
born - 1958. Let that suffice. Just think about it.