Windows XP Pro & Windows XP Media Center Edition

We still have not resolved this issue -- in fact we have directly
conflicting statements.

Ken Blake tells us:

"Media Center is a superset of XP Professional (with one exception).
Everything thatis in XP Professional is also in Medai Center, except for the
ability to join a domain. Media Center also has it's extra media-realted
features. If these features are valuable to you you that's what you should
get. Unless you need the ability to join a domain (very few home users do)
there is no downside to choosing Media Center over Professional."

While Carol [Greenwood?] tells us:

"No Media center and home are the same, pro has more network options for
sharing."

Clearly, these statements cannot BOTH be true.

Windows XP Media Center Edition cannot be both "a superset of XP
Professional" and the "same" as Windows XP Home Edition.

Which of the statements above is true and which is false?

And:

Does Windows XP Media Center Edition actually have ALL the security,
privacy, encryption and compartmentation features that Windows XP Pro has,
or not?

DSH

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D. Spencer Hines wrote:

We still have not resolved this issue -- in fact we have directly
conflicting statements.


It's against my better judgement, but I'm going to reply to this thread one
more time. I've told you the answer several times, but here's one more link:

http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windowsx...r/default.mspx

Note that it says "And because Media Center Edition PCs use the reliable,
powerful Windows XP Professional operating system, you can also do
everything you'd normally do on a PC. You'll enjoy exactly the same power
and flexibility you'd get with a Windows XP PC, ..."

If you don't like my answer or what it says here, or prefer to believe
someone else, be my guest. I don't want to argue about this with you or
anybody else.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup


Ken Blake tells us:

"Media Center is a superset of XP Professional (with one exception).
Everything thatis in XP Professional is also in Medai Center, except
for the ability to join a domain. Media Center also has it's extra
media-realted features. If these features are valuable to you you
that's what you should get. Unless you need the ability to join a
domain (very few home users do) there is no downside to choosing
Media Center over Professional."
While Carol [Greenwood?] tells us:

"No Media center and home are the same, pro has more network options
for sharing."

Clearly, these statements cannot BOTH be true.

Windows XP Media Center Edition cannot be both "a superset of XP
Professional" and the "same" as Windows XP Home Edition.

Which of the statements above is true and which is false?

And:

Does Windows XP Media Center Edition actually have ALL the security,
privacy, encryption and compartmentation features that Windows XP Pro
has, or not?

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Fortem Posce Animum

It is based on Pro. The latest version (but not the first) is nobbled to prevent joining a domain. However if you upgrade you will remain a domain member.

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"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ...
D. Spencer Hines wrote:

We still have not resolved this issue -- in fact we have directly
conflicting statements.


It's against my better judgement, but I'm going to reply to this thread one
more time. I've told you the answer several times, but here's one more link:

http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windowsx...r/default.mspx

Note that it says "And because Media Center Edition PCs use the reliable,
powerful Windows XP Professional operating system, you can also do
everything you'd normally do on a PC. You'll enjoy exactly the same power
and flexibility you'd get with a Windows XP PC, ..."

If you don't like my answer or what it says here, or prefer to believe
someone else, be my guest. I don't want to argue about this with you or
anybody else.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup


Ken Blake tells us:

"Media Center is a superset of XP Professional (with one exception).
Everything thatis in XP Professional is also in Medai Center, except
for the ability to join a domain. Media Center also has it's extra
media-realted features. If these features are valuable to you you
that's what you should get. Unless you need the ability to join a
domain (very few home users do) there is no downside to choosing
Media Center over Professional."
While Carol [Greenwood?] tells us:

"No Media center and home are the same, pro has more network options
for sharing."

Clearly, these statements cannot BOTH be true.

Windows XP Media Center Edition cannot be both "a superset of XP
Professional" and the "same" as Windows XP Home Edition.

Which of the statements above is true and which is false?

And:

Does Windows XP Media Center Edition actually have ALL the security,
privacy, encryption and compartmentation features that Windows XP Pro
has, or not?

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Fortem Posce Animum

O.K.

So, it looks as if Ken Blake is RIGHT and Carol [Greenwood?] is WRONG on the
primary issue -- i.e., that Media Center Edition is based on XP Pro, not XP
Home.

It's a pity Carol won't ADMIT that.

However, IF what Carol says is true on the "Connect to Internet wirelessly"
issue re Media Center Edition, she is RIGHT on that issue and Ken is
WRONG -- and this Microsoft site is ALSO wrong.

http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/...media.mspx#top

IF Carol is correct on the facts...

So, we still have not gotten to the bottom line on this one.

DSH

It's the "Same" code base, quit thinking of it as +/-. It's basically a
two-tiered
product line 1). XP Home 2.) Professional & Media Center, same platform
with minor feature variances between the two. As to Wireless connectivity
with Media Center, I'm sitting here now working on a Sony Vaio with MCE
and it's connected to my Wireless network.

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
O.K.

So, it looks as if Ken Blake is RIGHT and Carol [Greenwood?] is WRONG on
the primary issue -- i.e., that Media Center Edition is based on XP Pro,
not XP Home.

It's a pity Carol won't ADMIT that.

However, IF what Carol says is true on the "Connect to Internet
wirelessly"
issue re Media Center Edition, she is RIGHT on that issue and Ken is
WRONG -- and this Microsoft site is ALSO wrong.

http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/...media.mspx#top

IF Carol is correct on the facts...

So, we still have not gotten to the bottom line on this one.

DSH

Think FEATURES in the OS -- Capabilities & Limitations -- not code base.

Of COURSE it is an issue of +/- -- FEATURES available to the consumer.

Also, go back and checkout the MS site -- it says MCE does NOT have wireless
connectivity to the Internet.

So, if what you say is TRUE, the MS site is WRONG.

Which raises the question about what ELSE is WRONG there -- if anything.

DSH

"R. McCarty" wrote in message
...

It's the "Same" code base, quit thinking of it as +/-. It's basically a
two-tiered
product line 1). XP Home 2.) Professional & Media Center, same platform
with minor feature variances between the two. As to Wireless connectivity
with Media Center, I'm sitting here now working on a Sony Vaio with MCE
and it's connected to my Wireless network.

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

O.K.

So, it looks as if Ken Blake is RIGHT and Carol [Greenwood?] is WRONG on
the primary issue -- i.e., that Media Center Edition is based on XP Pro,
not XP Home.

It's a pity Carol won't ADMIT that.

However, IF what Carol says is true on the "Connect to Internet
wirelessly" issue re Media Center Edition, she is RIGHT on that
issue and Ken is WRONG -- and this Microsoft site is ALSO wrong.

http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/...media.mspx#top

IF Carol is correct on the facts...

So, we still have not gotten to the bottom line on this one.

DSH

You know, I"m really sorry I even bothered to go to the Microsoft sites to
try to help answer your questions. If you were too lazy to do it yourself.
You should know what you are talking about before you start going to the
trouble of pointing fingers.
Every bit of information I provided is copied and pasted from pages on MS
sites. Go bitch to them and go ____ yourself.

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
O.K.

So, it looks as if Ken Blake is RIGHT and Carol [Greenwood?] is WRONG on
the primary issue -- i.e., that Media Center Edition is based on XP Pro,
not XP Home.

It's a pity Carol won't ADMIT that.

However, IF what Carol says is true on the "Connect to Internet
wirelessly"
issue re Media Center Edition, she is RIGHT on that issue and Ken is
WRONG -- and this Microsoft site is ALSO wrong.

http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/...media.mspx#top

IF Carol is correct on the facts...

So, we still have not gotten to the bottom line on this one.

DSH

Again, stop barking at everyone here and go look it up for yourself. You're
a jerk!

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Think FEATURES in the OS -- Capabilities & Limitations -- not code base.

Of COURSE it is an issue of +/- -- FEATURES available to the consumer.

Also, go back and checkout the MS site -- it says MCE does NOT have
wireless connectivity to the Internet.

So, if what you say is TRUE, the MS site is WRONG.

Which raises the question about what ELSE is WRONG there -- if anything.

DSH

"R. McCarty" wrote in message
...

It's the "Same" code base, quit thinking of it as +/-. It's basically a
two-tiered
product line 1). XP Home 2.) Professional & Media Center, same platform
with minor feature variances between the two. As to Wireless
connectivity
with Media Center, I'm sitting here now working on a Sony Vaio with MCE
and it's connected to my Wireless network.

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

O.K.

So, it looks as if Ken Blake is RIGHT and Carol [Greenwood?] is WRONG on
the primary issue -- i.e., that Media Center Edition is based on XP Pro,
not XP Home.

It's a pity Carol won't ADMIT that.

However, IF what Carol says is true on the "Connect to Internet
wirelessly" issue re Media Center Edition, she is RIGHT on that
issue and Ken is WRONG -- and this Microsoft site is ALSO wrong.

http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/...media.mspx#top

IF Carol is correct on the facts...

So, we still have not gotten to the bottom line on this one.

DSH

Nonsense.

I HAD gone to the Microsoft sites and read them BEFORE you posted anything.

You were apparently WRONG about MCE being based on XP HOME.

Blake, and others, say it is based on XP PRO.

So, why don't you admit you got it WRONG?

Don't post Bum Dope and then not admit you screwed up -- when challenged on
the facts.

Some of the data at the MS site appears to be WRONG too.

Have you twigged to that yet?

Further, you are clearly angry and illogical below.

Much of the information you posted was anecdotal data based on your OWN
experience -- NOT data taken from the MS sites.

So, in your anger and consequent illogicality, you are NOT being Truthful
below.

But you were apparently RIGHT on the issue of MCE wireless connectivity --
contra the MS site.

Vide infra.

DSH

"Carol" wrote in message
...

You know, I"m really sorry I even bothered to go to the Microsoft sites to
try to help answer your questions. If you were too lazy to do it yourself.
You should know what you are talking about before you start going to the
trouble of pointing fingers.
Every bit of information I provided is copied and pasted from pages on MS
sites. Go bitch to them and go ____ yourself.

Nasty!

DSH

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

O.K.

So, it looks as if Ken Blake is RIGHT and Carol [Greenwood?] is WRONG on
the primary issue -- i.e., that Media Center Edition is based on XP Pro,
not XP Home.

It's a pity Carol won't ADMIT that.

However, IF what Carol says is true on the "Connect to Internet
wirelessly" issue re Media Center Edition, she is RIGHT on that issue
and Ken is WRONG -- and this Microsoft site is ALSO wrong.

http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/...media.mspx#top

IF Carol is correct on the facts...

So, we still have not gotten to the bottom line on this one.

DSH

Attached is a screen shot of my Media Center Computer with Media Center
open, this news group opened and the messages displayed AND my sharing
dialog open where you can see there is NO advanced button to set advanced
sharing options like I can on my XP pro computer. This machine has Simple
File Sharing ONLY, It does connect to the internet and my network, as you
can clearly see.
What was it that I said that was "wrong". And Ken didn't really say anything
differently or incorrect either, except the quote from the MS site implying
that Media Center doesn't connect to a wireless network. If that is what MS
is saying, then it is INCORRECT, as are you.

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Think FEATURES in the OS -- Capabilities & Limitations -- not code base.

Of COURSE it is an issue of +/- -- FEATURES available to the consumer.

Also, go back and checkout the MS site -- it says MCE does NOT have
wireless
connectivity to the Internet.

So, if what you say is TRUE, the MS site is WRONG.

Which raises the question about what ELSE is WRONG there -- if anything.

DSH

"R. McCarty" wrote in message
...

It's the "Same" code base, quit thinking of it as +/-. It's basically a
two-tiered
product line 1). XP Home 2.) Professional & Media Center, same platform
with minor feature variances between the two. As to Wireless
connectivity
with Media Center, I'm sitting here now working on a Sony Vaio with MCE
and it's connected to my Wireless network.

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

O.K.

So, it looks as if Ken Blake is RIGHT and Carol [Greenwood?] is WRONG on
the primary issue -- i.e., that Media Center Edition is based on XP Pro,
not XP Home.

It's a pity Carol won't ADMIT that.

However, IF what Carol says is true on the "Connect to Internet
wirelessly" issue re Media Center Edition, she is RIGHT on that
issue and Ken is WRONG -- and this Microsoft site is ALSO wrong.

http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/...media.mspx#top

IF Carol is correct on the facts...

So, we still have not gotten to the bottom line on this one.

DSH

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/m.../features.mspx
There it says:
"All the Benefits of Windows XP Home Edition and Windows XP SP2
Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 is the first consumer OS built on top
of the Windows XP Home and Service Pack 2 (SP2) foundation with Advanced
Security Technologies including Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for
Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center, all while offering
all of the features available today in Windows XP Home Edition."

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Nonsense.

I HAD gone to the Microsoft sites and read them BEFORE you posted
anything.

You were apparently WRONG about MCE being based on XP HOME.

Blake, and others, say it is based on XP PRO.

So, why don't you admit you got it WRONG?

Don't post Bum Dope and then not admit you screwed up -- when challenged
on the facts.

Some of the data at the MS site appears to be WRONG too.

Have you twigged to that yet?

Further, you are clearly angry and illogical below.

Much of the information you posted was anecdotal data based on your OWN
experience -- NOT data taken from the MS sites.

So, in your anger and consequent illogicality, you are NOT being Truthful
below.

But you were apparently RIGHT on the issue of MCE wireless connectivity --
contra the MS site.

Vide infra.

DSH

"Carol" wrote in message
...

You know, I"m really sorry I even bothered to go to the Microsoft sites
to try to help answer your questions. If you were too lazy to do it
yourself.
You should know what you are talking about before you start going to the
trouble of pointing fingers.
Every bit of information I provided is copied and pasted from pages on MS
sites. Go bitch to them and go ____ yourself.

Nasty!

DSH

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

O.K.

So, it looks as if Ken Blake is RIGHT and Carol [Greenwood?] is WRONG on
the primary issue -- i.e., that Media Center Edition is based on XP Pro,
not XP Home.

It's a pity Carol won't ADMIT that.

However, IF what Carol says is true on the "Connect to Internet
wirelessly" issue re Media Center Edition, she is RIGHT on that issue
and Ken is WRONG -- and this Microsoft site is ALSO wrong.

http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/...media.mspx#top

IF Carol is correct on the facts...

So, we still have not gotten to the bottom line on this one.

DSH

"Carol" wrote in message
...

What was it that I said that was "wrong"....
----------------------------------------------------------------

Incredible!

Carol,

Don't you even READ what you write before you POST it?

On 14 February, Valentine's Day, just yesterday my time, you wrote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"No Media center and home are the same, pro has more network options for
sharing."
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have quoted and cited that BEFORE -- verbatim.

You apparently didn't read my post carefully either. -- You certainly didn't
twig it.

Now, IF what Ken Blake says is RIGHT -- and others have backed him up -- MCE
is NOT "the same as XP Home".

Got it?

Or do I have to use shorter words and sentences?

No vulgarity now...

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Fortem Posce Animum

Exitus Acta Probat

I posted this informaiton that I got from an MS site:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/m.../features.mspx
There it says:
"All the Benefits of Windows XP Home Edition and Windows XP SP2
Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 is the first consumer OS built on top
of the Windows XP Home and Service Pack 2 (SP2) foundation with Advanced
Security Technologies including Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for
Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center, all while offering
all of the features available today in Windows XP Home Edition."


and I believe this is what Ken from another MS site and pretty much the same
thing, as I understand it:

"While you can access network resources on a work network or a domain, you
cannot join a Windows XP Media Center 2005 PC to the domain. PCs running
Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 are designed specifically for home use.
Professional features, specifically Domain Join and Cached Credentials
(Credentials Manager for logins) are not included. As a result, you will be
prompted for your login username/password to access network resources after
a reboot or logging back into the PC. In addition, file shares or network
resources set to require a domain-joined PC for access will not be
available. Remote Desktop and Encrypting File System support are still
included."



I stand by everything I said. I'm not a network expert, But I do know what
I am personally able to do, And what I have found on the MS sites, in trying
to help answer your questions.:

again, I think you are a total jerk. People try to help you and you keep
score and grade YOUR OPINION of the assistance given, without having any
idea of what the hell you are talking about.
Not everyone is as smart as you THINK you are. Sometimes people spend their
time to search for answers to try to help, then you go out of your way to
put them down and try to publicly humiliate them for their effort.
Like I said, you are a jerk

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Nonsense.

I HAD gone to the Microsoft sites and read them BEFORE you posted
anything.

You were apparently WRONG about MCE being based on XP HOME.

Blake, and others, say it is based on XP PRO.

So, why don't you admit you got it WRONG?

Don't post Bum Dope and then not admit you screwed up -- when challenged
on the facts.

Some of the data at the MS site appears to be WRONG too.

Have you twigged to that yet?

Further, you are clearly angry and illogical below.

Much of the information you posted was anecdotal data based on your OWN
experience -- NOT data taken from the MS sites.

So, in your anger and consequent illogicality, you are NOT being Truthful
below.

But you were apparently RIGHT on the issue of MCE wireless connectivity --
contra the MS site.

Vide infra.

DSH

"Carol" wrote in message
...

You know, I"m really sorry I even bothered to go to the Microsoft sites
to try to help answer your questions. If you were too lazy to do it
yourself.
You should know what you are talking about before you start going to the
trouble of pointing fingers.
Every bit of information I provided is copied and pasted from pages on MS
sites. Go bitch to them and go ____ yourself.

Nasty!

DSH

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

O.K.

So, it looks as if Ken Blake is RIGHT and Carol [Greenwood?] is WRONG on
the primary issue -- i.e., that Media Center Edition is based on XP Pro,
not XP Home.

It's a pity Carol won't ADMIT that.

However, IF what Carol says is true on the "Connect to Internet
wirelessly" issue re Media Center Edition, she is RIGHT on that issue
and Ken is WRONG -- and this Microsoft site is ALSO wrong.

http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/...media.mspx#top

IF Carol is correct on the facts...

So, we still have not gotten to the bottom line on this one.

DSH

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/m.../features.mspx
There it says:
"All the Benefits of Windows XP Home Edition and Windows XP SP2
Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 is the first consumer OS built on top
of the Windows XP Home and Service Pack 2 (SP2) foundation with Advanced
Security Technologies including Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for
Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center, all while offering
all of the features available today in Windows XP Home Edition."


You are the incredible one.

1st of all, xp home and pro are nearly the same as far as I can have seen,
except for some networking features in pro that are not in home. Those
network features are NOT available in my mce computers either... all three
of them. If you would like to come see my machines, before you stick your
foot in your mouth any deeper, you are certainly welcome.

It was also said that mce wasn't wireless... which is also incorrect, and I
am on my mce computer now, via my internal 802.11g wireless care and my MS
802.11g router. You are welcome to come see that too.

Boy, you are one awful person... and to think I went out of my way to try
and help you!


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
"Carol" wrote in message
...

What was it that I said that was "wrong"....
----------------------------------------------------------------

Incredible!

Carol,

Don't you even READ what you write before you POST it?

On 14 February, Valentine's Day, just yesterday my time, you wrote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"No Media center and home are the same, pro has more network options for
sharing."
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have quoted and cited that BEFORE -- verbatim.

You apparently didn't read my post carefully either. -- You certainly
didn't twig it.

Now, IF what Ken Blake says is RIGHT -- and others have backed him up --
MCE is NOT "the same as XP Home".

Got it?

Or do I have to use shorter words and sentences?

No vulgarity now...

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Fortem Posce Animum

Exitus Acta Probat