Light blue haze coveres the screen - Corel Draw software.

I need to run Corel Draw 12 (old) but while it loads as soon as it
appears my twin screens become covered by a light blue haze making
them unusable.

I have found that this is a common problem. The best I can find is:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...2-43b601cd9436
or https://tinyurl.com/y2m9s874

"I have the exact same problem. I am running Nvidia drivers with
Windows 10 Professional 64 bit and Corel Draw 12. I installed it
about 2 years ago and had the same problem and then solved it
(though all I can remember it was a simple setting that I think
reduced the color when you click the screen so it was clear instead
of blue and I think it went from 6 to 1 or 0). I had to reinstall
and cannot remember the setting. So I know for a fact it is
fixable if you can find the setting. I think it may have been
outside Corel Draw program itself but I remember when i found it I
was astonished that neither Corel (who just wants to sell you an
updated program instead of solve the problem) or Microsoft had this
in their knowledge base."

I too am running 64 bit Windows 10 with NVidia graphics cards.

Does this problem ring a bell with anyone or does anyone recognise
what the is the "simple setting ... which goes from 6 to 1 or 0"?
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Eric Stevens wrote:
I need to run Corel Draw 12 (old) but while it loads as soon as it
appears my twin screens become covered by a light blue haze making
them unusable.

I have found that this is a common problem. The best I can find is:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...2-43b601cd9436
or https://tinyurl.com/y2m9s874

"I have the exact same problem. I am running Nvidia drivers with
Windows 10 Professional 64 bit and Corel Draw 12. I installed it
about 2 years ago and had the same problem and then solved it
(though all I can remember it was a simple setting that I think
reduced the color when you click the screen so it was clear instead
of blue and I think it went from 6 to 1 or 0). I had to reinstall
and cannot remember the setting. So I know for a fact it is
fixable if you can find the setting. I think it may have been
outside Corel Draw program itself but I remember when i found it I
was astonished that neither Corel (who just wants to sell you an
updated program instead of solve the problem) or Microsoft had this
in their knowledge base."

I too am running 64 bit Windows 10 with NVidia graphics cards.

Does this problem ring a bell with anyone or does anyone recognise
what the is the "simple setting ... which goes from 6 to 1 or 0"?

The question you'd have to ask, is why is it doing that
to the whole screen, and only when Coreldraw is running ?

Photoshop used to come with a Gamma plugin, which you could
install on a system. Then things like video card control panels
got gamma adjustments.

The OS has a "night light" feature, which means it adjusts
the blue in an effort to avoid "blue light" striking
the user in the face. What does it do when Coreldraw
activates some sort of color space control ?

There are just too many controls all over the place.

https://community.coreldraw.com/talk...age-background

Not every LCD monitor has a driver in Windows 10,
but here's an example of the one on the Test Machine.
You can see it lists an ICM file as being included,
and the ICM specifies how the monitor displays color.
It's also possible for a driver to just include the
max_res Registry setting and not have an ICM, but that
would be a waste of electrons to release such a driver
(as it would be pointless). The main reason for issuing
a monitor driver, is to "give" the user the manufacturer ICM table.

https://i.postimg.cc/Gp6sb8fs/icm.gif

I could try disabling that, to see if the blue caste
goes away. Disabling the monitor driver, should not
disable the monitor. You may have to research ICM on
monitors, to find other ways of controlling it.

Using a Spyder, you can generate a "custom" ICM, rather
than the "generic" one released by the manufacturer.

Westinghouse never releases monitor drivers for their
stuff, so you would expect to see some sort of "Generic Monitor"
entry for it instead. I'm really surprised Acer bothered
to submit that driver.

There have been problems in the past, when each monitor
is different and has its own ICM, and the OS couldn't
deal with that properly. That's another topic to research
if using multiple monitors. Technically, you'd expect a
color translation table "per head" on the video card,
but with things like Eyefinity, where one plane
drives three monitors via the crossbar, it's hard to
say how ICM is handled there. Color management
for professionals is likely a hair loss thing.

Paul

On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 14:34:46 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

On 03/08/2020 05:14, Eric Stevens wrote:


Does this problem ring a bell with anyone or does anyone recognise
what the is the "simple setting ... which goes from 6 to 1 or 0"?










No, nothing rings a bell when it comes to a very old app. However, have you tried to run it in compatibility mode? To do this, right-click on the desktop shortcut and then choose Properties.


You will then see a tab for Compatibility.


This is the only "Simple Setting" I can think of. Assuming this is a setting for some!!


When the softwear emerged it was written for W2000 and XP. Windows
says I should use XP Service Pack 3. However I have tried every
compatibility mode there is and and it makes no difference.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

Eric Stevens wrote:
On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 14:34:46 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

On 03/08/2020 05:14, Eric Stevens wrote:


Does this problem ring a bell with anyone or does anyone recognise
what the is the "simple setting ... which goes from 6 to 1 or 0"?

No, nothing rings a bell when it comes to a very old app. However, have you tried to run it in compatibility mode? To do this, right-click on the desktop shortcut and then choose Properties.


You will then see a tab for Compatibility.


This is the only "Simple Setting" I can think of. Assuming this is a setting for some!!


When the softwear emerged it was written for W2000 and XP. Windows
says I should use XP Service Pack 3. However I have tried every
compatibility mode there is and and it makes no difference.

https://community.coreldraw.com/talk...-screen-issues

"tried the F8 thing and checked settings...

Then your discussion regarding the merits of the
colour calibration button made me realise that there
should be an arrow from

Generic internal RGB profile to Generic Monitor

in Colour Management, which was not there, except
it was but just not highlighted. clicked this to
make it visible"

It's possible Coreldraw is overriding the whole ICM for
the screen, rather than attempting some gamma type
thing just for the viewing window itself.

Paul

On Mon, 03 Aug 2020 10:07:11 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Eric Stevens wrote:
I need to run Corel Draw 12 (old) but while it loads as soon as it
appears my twin screens become covered by a light blue haze making
them unusable.

I have found that this is a common problem. The best I can find is:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...2-43b601cd9436
or https://tinyurl.com/y2m9s874

"I have the exact same problem. I am running Nvidia drivers with
Windows 10 Professional 64 bit and Corel Draw 12. I installed it
about 2 years ago and had the same problem and then solved it
(though all I can remember it was a simple setting that I think
reduced the color when you click the screen so it was clear instead
of blue and I think it went from 6 to 1 or 0). I had to reinstall
and cannot remember the setting. So I know for a fact it is
fixable if you can find the setting. I think it may have been
outside Corel Draw program itself but I remember when i found it I
was astonished that neither Corel (who just wants to sell you an
updated program instead of solve the problem) or Microsoft had this
in their knowledge base."

I too am running 64 bit Windows 10 with NVidia graphics cards.

Does this problem ring a bell with anyone or does anyone recognise
what the is the "simple setting ... which goes from 6 to 1 or 0"?

The question you'd have to ask, is why is it doing that
to the whole screen, and only when Coreldraw is running ?

Photoshop used to come with a Gamma plugin, which you could
install on a system. Then things like video card control panels
got gamma adjustments.

The OS has a "night light" feature, which means it adjusts
the blue in an effort to avoid "blue light" striking
the user in the face. What does it do when Coreldraw
activates some sort of color space control ?

This doesn't add a blue tint to the screen colours. It is a milky-blue
overlay like an additional layer interposed between the viewer and the
screen. It is possibly to peer through it and activate control buttons
etc but for practical purposes it renders the screen unusable. For an
example see
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vye63pxpj8...0Haze.jpg?dl=0

There are just too many controls all over the place.

With many working at cross purposes.

https://community.coreldraw.com/talk...age-background

Not every LCD monitor has a driver in Windows 10,
but here's an example of the one on the Test Machine.
You can see it lists an ICM file as being included,
and the ICM specifies how the monitor displays color.
It's also possible for a driver to just include the
max_res Registry setting and not have an ICM, but that
would be a waste of electrons to release such a driver
(as it would be pointless). The main reason for issuing
a monitor driver, is to "give" the user the manufacturer ICM table.

https://i.postimg.cc/Gp6sb8fs/icm.gif

Therre is unlikely to be a problem in that area. I am using two Dell
UP2516D with internal look up tables. When the problem occurs they are
both affected equall for the full surface.

I could try disabling that, to see if the blue caste
goes away. Disabling the monitor driver, should not
disable the monitor. You may have to research ICM on
monitors, to find other ways of controlling it.

Using a Spyder, you can generate a "custom" ICM, rather
than the "generic" one released by the manufacturer.

I use the x-rite i1

Westinghouse never releases monitor drivers for their
stuff, so you would expect to see some sort of "Generic Monitor"
entry for it instead. I'm really surprised Acer bothered
to submit that driver.

There have been problems in the past, when each monitor
is different and has its own ICM, and the OS couldn't
deal with that properly. That's another topic to research
if using multiple monitors. Technically, you'd expect a
color translation table "per head" on the video card,
but with things like Eyefinity, where one plane
drives three monitors via the crossbar, it's hard to
say how ICM is handled there. Color management
for professionals is likely a hair loss thing.

I'm not a professional but I've been losing hair over color management
for years. :-)

--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

rOn Mon, 03 Aug 2020 21:12:32 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Eric Stevens wrote:
On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 14:34:46 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

On 03/08/2020 05:14, Eric Stevens wrote:


Does this problem ring a bell with anyone or does anyone recognise
what the is the "simple setting ... which goes from 6 to 1 or 0"?

No, nothing rings a bell when it comes to a very old app. However, have you tried to run it in compatibility mode? To do this, right-click on the desktop shortcut and then choose Properties.


You will then see a tab for Compatibility.


This is the only "Simple Setting" I can think of. Assuming this is a setting for some!!


When the softwear emerged it was written for W2000 and XP. Windows
says I should use XP Service Pack 3. However I have tried every
compatibility mode there is and and it makes no difference.

https://community.coreldraw.com/talk...-screen-issues

"tried the F8 thing and checked settings...

Then your discussion regarding the merits of the
colour calibration button made me realise that there
should be an arrow from

Generic internal RGB profile to Generic Monitor

in Colour Management, which was not there, except
it was but just not highlighted. clicked this to
make it visible"

It's possible Coreldraw is overriding the whole ICM for
the screen, rather than attempting some gamma type
thing just for the viewing window itself.

I'm afraid not. Corel products have been colour managed right from the
get go.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

Eric Stevens wrote:
rOn Mon, 03 Aug 2020 21:12:32 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Eric Stevens wrote:
On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 14:34:46 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

On 03/08/2020 05:14, Eric Stevens wrote:


Does this problem ring a bell with anyone or does anyone recognise
what the is the "simple setting ... which goes from 6 to 1 or 0"?

No, nothing rings a bell when it comes to a very old app. However, have you tried to run it in compatibility mode? To do this, right-click on the desktop shortcut and then choose Properties.


You will then see a tab for Compatibility.


This is the only "Simple Setting" I can think of. Assuming this is a setting for some!!


When the softwear emerged it was written for W2000 and XP. Windows
says I should use XP Service Pack 3. However I have tried every
compatibility mode there is and and it makes no difference.

https://community.coreldraw.com/talk...-screen-issues

"tried the F8 thing and checked settings...

Then your discussion regarding the merits of the
colour calibration button made me realise that there
should be an arrow from

Generic internal RGB profile to Generic Monitor

in Colour Management, which was not there, except
it was but just not highlighted. clicked this to
make it visible"

It's possible Coreldraw is overriding the whole ICM for
the screen, rather than attempting some gamma type
thing just for the viewing window itself.

I'm afraid not. Corel products have been colour managed right from the
get go.



CorelDraw v12 is quite old. Didn't have 12 but had 11 and X3 and I think
it was X3 that I had trouble with the menus not showing properly when I
switch from XP to 7. I had to upgrade at the time to X5 in order to see
what I was doing. So if there was a problem with CS vX3 in Windows 7 it
would not surprise me that you have issues with CD v12 in Windows 10.

Looks like ether VM with XP or an upgrade is in your future. BTW damn
Corel has followed Adobe with *subscription* model damn $249.00 annual
rate. Why I am still on X8... maybe will buy outright version $500 when
force to when this one stops working...



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On 8/4/2020 8:19 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:
rOn Mon, 03 Aug 2020 21:12:32 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Eric Stevens wrote:
On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 14:34:46 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

On 03/08/2020 05:14, Eric Stevens wrote:


Does this problem ring a bell with anyone or does anyone recognise
what the is the "simple setting ... which goes from 6 to 1 or 0"?

No, nothing rings a bell when it comes to a very old app. However, have you tried to run it in compatibility mode? To do this, right-click on the desktop shortcut and then choose Properties.


You will then see a tab for Compatibility.


This is the only "Simple Setting" I can think of. Assuming this is a setting for some!!


When the softwear emerged it was written for W2000 and XP. Windows
says I should use XP Service Pack 3. However I have tried every
compatibility mode there is and and it makes no difference.

https://community.coreldraw.com/talk...-screen-issues

"tried the F8 thing and checked settings...

Then your discussion regarding the merits of the
colour calibration button made me realise that there
should be an arrow from

Generic internal RGB profile to Generic Monitor

in Colour Management, which was not there, except
it was but just not highlighted. clicked this to
make it visible"

It's possible Coreldraw is overriding the whole ICM for
the screen, rather than attempting some gamma type
thing just for the viewing window itself.

I'm afraid not. Corel products have been colour managed right from the
get go.



CorelDraw v12 is quite old. Didn't have 12 but had 11 and X3 and I think
it was X3 that I had trouble with the menus not showing properly when I
switch from XP to 7. I had to upgrade at the time to X5 in order to see
what I was doing. So if there was a problem with CS vX3 in Windows 7 it
would not surprise me that you have issues with CD v12 in Windows 10.

Looks like ether VM with XP or an upgrade is in your future. BTW damn
Corel has followed Adobe with *subscription* model damn $249.00 annual
rate. Why I am still on X8...


Are you talking about CorelDraw or WordPerfect? I still run WordPerfect
X7, but not for that reason. It's because as far as I'm concerned, there
haven't been any significant improvements for the last several versions.
Getting a new version isn't worth the money.



maybe will buy outright version $500 when
force to when this one stops working...


I don't know that WordPerfect X7 will ever stop working, and I hope I
will never have to buy a new version.


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Ken Blake wrote:
Are you talking about CorelDraw or WordPerfect?

CorelDraw.

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On 8/4/2020 8:57 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Ken Blake wrote:
Are you talking about CorelDraw or WordPerfect?

CorelDraw.


OK, thanks for the clarification. It must be 30 years since I last used
CorelDraw, and I know nothing about it these days. I didn't even know
that Corel numbered its versions with an X as they did with WordPerfect.





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Ken Blake wrote:
On 8/4/2020 8:57 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Ken Blake wrote:
Are you talking about CorelDraw or WordPerfect?

CorelDraw.


OK, thanks for the clarification. It must be 30 years since I last used
CorelDraw, and I know nothing about it these days. I didn't even know
that Corel numbered its versions with an X as they did with WordPerfect.


They did with X3, afraid of 13 I guess. X8 is the last X versions and
now using the date V2020 since moving to subscription model.


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