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  #16  
Old August 5th 20, 08:49 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Chris
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Default Fresh install, plus personal files, still crashing.

micky wrote:
My previous thread is pretty far back so to recap, I had had 50+ BSODs
with 5 or more different reasons given.

I installed the May update over my current win10 and then downloaded a
whole version and installed that over it. No change.

Debugging was hard because it sometimes crashes before it fully boots
and sometimes within 30 seconds. Worked fine in Safe Mode

So I used that source of media, I forget t he name, and re-installed
win10 keeping my personal files and nothing else, no installed programs
other than what comes with win10 out of the box.

Then I installed Firefox, nothing else.

Guess what? it still crashes with a BSOD. Sometimes before FF is
started. One reason was less than or equal and another was something
else.

I thought this should prevent crashes?

Unless it's hardware. I had run Memtest86 for 8 hours iirc before
with no errors. Last nght 17 hours with no errors, 7 full passes?

What else could be the problem?
Optiplex 755 Win10 Pro 8 Gig RAM Originally with Vista or 7
installed. Does that matter?


It's an old machine. All sorts could be wrong with it. Just get yourself a
new(er) one and enjoy your free time.


Should I try safe mode? What is the point?


None.


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  #17  
Old August 5th 20, 09:52 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
John C.
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Default Fresh install, plus personal files, still crashing.

micky wrote:
My previous thread is pretty far back so to recap, I had had 50+ BSODs
with 5 or more different reasons given.

I installed the May update over my current win10 and then downloaded a
whole version and installed that over it. No change.

Debugging was hard because it sometimes crashes before it fully boots
and sometimes within 30 seconds. Worked fine in Safe Mode

So I used that source of media, I forget t he name, and re-installed
win10 keeping my personal files and nothing else, no installed programs
other than what comes with win10 out of the box.

Then I installed Firefox, nothing else.

Guess what? it still crashes with a BSOD. Sometimes before FF is
started. One reason was less than or equal and another was something
else.

I thought this should prevent crashes?

Unless it's hardware. I had run Memtest86 for 8 hours iirc before
with no errors. Last nght 17 hours with no errors, 7 full passes?

What else could be the problem?
Optiplex 755 Win10 Pro 8 Gig RAM Originally with Vista or 7
installed. Does that matter?

Should I try safe mode? What is the point?


Check the thermal paste between your CPU and motherboard. Sometimes it
can dry out and cause this kind of problem. If you don't have any
thermal paste around to re-do the layer, I've read that you can use
anti-seize compound as a temporary fix.

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  #18  
Old August 5th 20, 09:54 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
John C.
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Default Fresh install, plus personal files, still crashing.

John C. wrote:
micky wrote:
My previous thread is pretty far back so to recap, I had had 50+ BSODs
with 5 or more different reasons given.

I installed the May update over my current win10 and then downloaded a
whole version and installed that over it. No change.

Debugging was hard because it sometimes crashes before it fully boots
and sometimes within 30 seconds. Worked fine in Safe Mode

So I used that source of media, I forget t he name, and re-installed
win10 keeping my personal files and nothing else, no installed programs
other than what comes with win10 out of the box.

Then I installed Firefox, nothing else.

Guess what? it still crashes with a BSOD. Sometimes before FF is
started. One reason was less than or equal and another was something
else.

I thought this should prevent crashes?

Unless it's hardware. I had run Memtest86 for 8 hours iirc before
with no errors. Last nght 17 hours with no errors, 7 full passes?

What else could be the problem?
Optiplex 755 Win10 Pro 8 Gig RAM Originally with Vista or 7
installed. Does that matter?

Should I try safe mode? What is the point?


Check the thermal paste between your CPU and motherboard. Sometimes it
can dry out and cause this kind of problem. If you don't have any
thermal paste around to re-do the layer, I've read that you can use
anti-seize compound as a temporary fix.


Forget that advice. I should have read your OP more closely. Sorry.

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John C.
  #19  
Old August 5th 20, 10:23 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Micky
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Default Fresh install, plus personal files, still crashing.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 5 Aug 2020 01:54:05 -0700, "John C."
wrote:

John C. wrote:
micky wrote:
My previous thread is pretty far back so to recap, I had had 50+ BSODs
with 5 or more different reasons given.

I installed the May update over my current win10 and then downloaded a
whole version and installed that over it. No change.

Debugging was hard because it sometimes crashes before it fully boots
and sometimes within 30 seconds. Worked fine in Safe Mode

So I used that source of media, I forget t he name, and re-installed
win10 keeping my personal files and nothing else, no installed programs
other than what comes with win10 out of the box.

Then I installed Firefox, nothing else.

Guess what? it still crashes with a BSOD. Sometimes before FF is
started. One reason was less than or equal and another was something
else.

I thought this should prevent crashes?

Unless it's hardware. I had run Memtest86 for 8 hours iirc before
with no errors. Last nght 17 hours with no errors, 7 full passes?

What else could be the problem?
Optiplex 755 Win10 Pro 8 Gig RAM Originally with Vista or 7
installed. Does that matter?

Should I try safe mode? What is the point?


Check the thermal paste between your CPU and motherboard. Sometimes it
can dry out and cause this kind of problem. If you don't have any
thermal paste around to re-do the layer, I've read that you can use
anti-seize compound as a temporary fix.


Forget that advice. I should have read your OP more closely. Sorry.


Well, then we're even since I posted the wrong problem

I'll get back to you all in a few days.
  #20  
Old August 5th 20, 10:24 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Micky
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 5 Aug 2020 07:49:35 -0000 (UTC),
Chris wrote:


What else could be the problem?
Optiplex 755 Win10 Pro 8 Gig RAM Originally with Vista or 7
installed. Does that matter?


It's an old machine. All sorts could be wrong with it. Just get yourself a
new(er) one and enjoy your free time.


I know it's old. I don't care. I use my free time to fix computers.

Thank you.

Should I try safe mode? What is the point?


None.


  #21  
Old August 5th 20, 11:26 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mechanic
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Default Fresh install, plus personal files, still crashing.

On Wed, 05 Aug 2020 05:23:34 -0400, micky wrote:

Well, then we're even since I posted the wrong problem

I'll get back to you all in a few days.


Are we missing something? What we need is a summary of the days
events, chez mickey, just like we'd get in the Guardian if they had
a live blog of a problem event.
  #22  
Old August 5th 20, 12:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Fresh install, plus personal files, still crashing.

micky wrote:


Well, then we're even since I posted the wrong problem

I'll get back to you all in a few days.


You always "verify it's a computer first" before
you put software on it.

You can do some of that with a Linux LiveCD.

All my computers are Prime95 stable for four hours,
before I put software on a hard drive.

*******

That's what being a computer repair guy is all about.

Following the flowchart consistently, every time,
whether brand new kit or old knackered kit.

Paul

  #23  
Old August 5th 20, 01:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
David_B[_5_]
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Default Fresh install, plus personal files, still crashing.

On 05/08/2020 12:52, Paul wrote:
[....]
That's what being a computer repair guy is all about.

Following the flowchart consistently, every time,
whether brand new kit or old knackered kit.



Paul

Do you *EVER* fly 'by the seat of your pants'?


(by instinct rather than logic or knowledge.)
  #24  
Old August 5th 20, 04:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Fresh install, plus personal files, still crashing.

David_B wrote:
On 05/08/2020 12:52, Paul wrote:
[....]
That's what being a computer repair guy is all about.

Following the flowchart consistently, every time,
whether brand new kit or old knackered kit.



Paul

Do you *EVER* fly 'by the seat of your pants'?


(by instinct rather than logic or knowledge.)


On this topic, it's "pay me now or pay me later".

If you don't check, your OS crashes, you have to
go back and do the tests anyway, and *then* reinstall the OS.
There's no profit from skipping steps.

*******

When I bought a computer for around $1700 as a gift
for someone, I ran RAM test on it, and the RAM was bad.
(This is a store that only sells store-brand computers
and nothing else. It's not a parts place.)

I took it back to the store, they put more RAM in it.

I took it home and tested it. The RAM was still bad.

I ran out of time. At around 9PM in the evening, I
made a hurried trip to the more normal computer store,
and bought some overclocker RAM (Winbond chips), took
it home (tested it), it passed, and I could put
my gift into its shipping box. That was the only
decent RAM they had.

There was no point going back to the store any more,
because the staff were idiots. I got to see their
"locker of replacement RAM", and it consisted of
unmatched floor sweepings (unbranded DIMMs, 8 chip
sticks mixed with 16 chip sticks). I even had to teach
them about memtest. That's how clueless they were.
They didn't know about memtest. But they did have
a locker with a motley assortment of RAM in it.

Paul
 




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