Delete Subfolders and Files

On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:00:47 -0300, John John - MVP
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On Mon, 31 May 2010 17:04:53 -0600, Bruce Chambers
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On Mon, 31 May 2010 15:33:57 -0600, Bruce Chambers
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Hi all,

Could anyone clarify how the Delete Subfolders and Files permission
works?

Testing this on xp sp3 doesn't work as I'd expect:

UserA owns FolderA, and on that folder they have the 'Delete
Subfolders and Files' permission.

Inside FolderA is FolderB, owned by UserB. UserB has taken away all
rights from UserA to do anything with FolderB, including inherited
rights.

UserB creates FileB inside FolderB.

Now, UserA can see FileB inside FolderB, but cannot delete it.

Is that really the way it's supposed to behave?

Regards
Richard
Yes.

Well, thanks for your reply Bruce, but that's not what it says in the
xp help:

'Delete Subfolders and Files
Allows or denies deleting subfolders and files, even if the Delete
permission has not been granted on the subfolder or file. (applies to
folders)'

That's exactly the situation here. UserB has not granted permission to
UserA to delete FileB, and indeed he can't, despite having 'Delete
Subfolders & Files' permission on a containing folder.

Is the help wrong, or is there some other way of interpreting what it
says?

Regards
Richard






You said that "UserB has taken away all rights from UserA to do
anything with FolderB, including inherited rights." Therefore, what
your seeing is exactly what it should be.

I was supposing that if UserA had the 'Delete Subfolders and Files'
permission on FolderA, then that would be an irrevocable right they
would hold for any files or folders, nested at any depth, within
FolderA.

No, explicit permissions take precedence over inherited permissions and
denied denied permissions take precedence over allowed permissions.

John

So how does UserA deal with the situation I described, where they
cannot delete a folder they own because another user has
created files or folders within it and taken away UserA's rights to
delete those nested files or folders?

Without 'Delete Subfolders and Files' working in the way I had
supposed, UserA's only option seems to be to involve an administrator,
asking them to take ownership and then delete the problem files &
folders.

Regards
Richard

On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:00:47 -0300, John John - MVP
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 31 May 2010 17:04:53 -0600, Bruce Chambers
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 31 May 2010 15:33:57 -0600, Bruce Chambers
wrote:

wrote:
Hi all,

Could anyone clarify how the Delete Subfolders and Files permission
works?

Testing this on xp sp3 doesn't work as I'd expect:

UserA owns FolderA, and on that folder they have the 'Delete
Subfolders and Files' permission.

Inside FolderA is FolderB, owned by UserB. UserB has taken away all
rights from UserA to do anything with FolderB, including inherited
rights.

UserB creates FileB inside FolderB.

Now, UserA can see FileB inside FolderB, but cannot delete it.

Is that really the way it's supposed to behave?

Regards
Richard
Yes.

Well, thanks for your reply Bruce, but that's not what it says in the
xp help:

'Delete Subfolders and Files
Allows or denies deleting subfolders and files, even if the Delete
permission has not been granted on the subfolder or file. (applies to
folders)'

That's exactly the situation here. UserB has not granted permission to
UserA to delete FileB, and indeed he can't, despite having 'Delete
Subfolders & Files' permission on a containing folder.

Is the help wrong, or is there some other way of interpreting what it
says?

Regards
Richard






You said that "UserB has taken away all rights from UserA to do
anything with FolderB, including inherited rights." Therefore, what
your seeing is exactly what it should be.

I was supposing that if UserA had the 'Delete Subfolders and Files'
permission on FolderA, then that would be an irrevocable right they
would hold for any files or folders, nested at any depth, within
FolderA.

No, explicit permissions take precedence over inherited permissions and
denied denied permissions take precedence over allowed permissions.

John

So how does UserA deal with the situation I described, where they
cannot delete a folder they own because another user has
created files or folders within it and taken away UserA's rights to
delete those nested files or folders?

Without 'Delete Subfolders and Files' working in the way I had
supposed, UserA's only option seems to be to involve an administrator,
asking them to take ownership and then delete the problem files &
folders.

Regards
Richard

On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 17:31:52 -0600, Bruce Chambers
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That's correct. This is one reason why, in the normal scheme of
things, only administrators are permitted "Full Control." Normal users
should never be granted any privileges beyond "Modify."

ok.

Thank you for your help Bruce.

Regards
Richard

On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 17:31:52 -0600, Bruce Chambers
wrote:


That's correct. This is one reason why, in the normal scheme of
things, only administrators are permitted "Full Control." Normal users
should never be granted any privileges beyond "Modify."

ok.

Thank you for your help Bruce.

Regards
Richard