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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 00:43:42 +0000, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 01/12/2014 23:49, flatfish+++ wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:47:16 +0000, Brian Gregory wrote: On 01/12/2014 01:37, JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2014-11-29, Brian Gregory wrote: On 28/11/2014 16:17, A wrote: Slimer wrote: And will likely do a better job of implementing both than GNU/Linux. http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/11/27/1347217/windows-10-to-feature-native-support-for-mkv-and-flac?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed VLC will play both formats in Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 8. So, BFD. More than that - install any one of several widely available free codec packs and any player will play them. ...and those will likely just be the same collection of free software that powers VLC. Well maybe, but I find more bugs in VLC than I do if I just install Combined Community Codec Pack and play in Media Player Classic Home Cinema. VLC tends to be buggy but mPlayer is even worse. The latest version of VLC has been working fine for me though. Under Windows 8.1 of course. The only problem I can remember with the current VLC 2.1.5 was that I found a video file where seeking back and forth in it totally failed taking me to somewhere totally different from where I wanted. Media Player Classic Home Cinema played it perfectly. Not so long ago I remember many versions of VLC on Windows couldn't even play an audio CD without crashing. It was like the developers weren't talking to each other, it would get fixed for one version and the next version it'd be broken again. I think it was the 2.0.x versions. Open source programmers are known to be and act like children. These days they infighting about SystemD.... While the rest of the world is busy using their computers via useful software, the Linux developers are arguing and fighting like school yard children. And they wonder why people are turned off on Linux? One look at the Linux community is more than enough to turn off most people. And if that's not enough, using Linux, as an average user, for any length of time will turn off the rest of them. -- flatfish+++ Linux: The Operating System That Put The City Of Munich Out Of Business. Before Switching To Linux Read This: http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux...current.htm l |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:51:05 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Brian Gregory wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties: On 01/12/2014 23:49, flatfish+++ wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:47:16 +0000, Brian Gregory wrote: Well maybe, but I find more bugs in VLC than I do if I just install Combined Community Codec Pack and play in Media Player Classic Home Cinema. VLC tends to be buggy but mPlayer is even worse. For formal viewing, I'd use smplayer over mplayer. I should have been clearer, I was talking about smplayer. But mplayer is good for previewing movies and songs, or if I feel too lazy to move my mouse to a menu entry. I may be lazy, but not that lazy! lol! The latest version of VLC has been working fine for me though. Under Windows 8.1 of course. The only problem I can remember with the current VLC 2.1.5 was that I found a video file where seeking back and forth in it totally failed taking me to somewhere totally different from where I wanted. Media Player Classic Home Cinema played it perfectly. Not so long ago I remember many versions of VLC on Windows couldn't even play an audio CD without crashing. It was like the developers weren't talking to each other, it would get fixed for one version and the next version it'd be broken again. I think it was the 2.0.x versions. Never had many issues with mplayer or VLC, really. Some weird stuff once in a while but overall VLC is pretty darn good for me as well. I think VLC and mplayer don't deal as well with videos/music that have errors in the file as some of the other players do. Could never stand Windows Media Player. A grotesque UI. You may be surprised to hear this from me, but I agree 100 percent. It is completely non-intuitive. Horrible IMHO. -- flatfish+++ Linux: The Operating System That Put The City Of Munich Out Of Business. Before Switching To Linux Read This: http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux...current.htm l |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:56:16 -0600, JEDIDIAH wrote:
On 2014-12-01, Brian Gregory wrote: On 01/12/2014 01:37, JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2014-11-29, Brian Gregory wrote: On 28/11/2014 16:17, A wrote: Slimer wrote: And will likely do a better job of implementing both than GNU/Linux. http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/11/27/1347217/windows-10-to-feature-native-support-for-mkv-and-flac?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed VLC will play both formats in Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 8. So, BFD. More than that - install any one of several widely available free codec packs and any player will play them. ...and those will likely just be the same collection of free software that powers VLC. Well maybe, but I find more bugs in VLC than I do if I just install Combined Community Codec Pack and play in Media Player Classic Home Cinema. ...all very vague. So says the king of rhymes and riddles...... -- flatfish+++ Linux: The Operating System That Put The City Of Munich Out Of Business. Before Switching To Linux Read This: http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux...current.htm l |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On 2014-12-02, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 01/12/2014 23:49, flatfish+++ wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:47:16 +0000, Brian Gregory wrote: On 01/12/2014 01:37, JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2014-11-29, Brian Gregory wrote: On 28/11/2014 16:17, A wrote: Slimer wrote: And will likely do a better job of implementing both than GNU/Linux. http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/11/27/1347217/windows-10-to-feature-native-support-for-mkv-and-flac?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed VLC will play both formats in Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 8. So, BFD. More than that - install any one of several widely available free codec packs and any player will play them. ...and those will likely just be the same collection of free software that powers VLC. Well maybe, but I find more bugs in VLC than I do if I just install Combined Community Codec Pack and play in Media Player Classic Home Cinema. VLC tends to be buggy but mPlayer is even worse. The latest version of VLC has been working fine for me though. Under Windows 8.1 of course. The only problem I can remember with the current VLC 2.1.5 was that I found a video file where seeking back and forth in it totally failed taking me to somewhere totally different from where I wanted. Media Player Classic Home Cinema played it perfectly. Not so long ago I remember many versions of VLC on Windows couldn't even play an audio CD without crashing. It was like the developers weren't Sounds like a reversion driven by the fact that it's not 1998 anymore. 1998 is about the last time I directly played a CD. -- Nevermind the pirates. Sony needs to worry about it's own back catalog. ||| / | \ |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On 02/12/2014 11:08 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
On 2014-12-02, Brian Gregory wrote: On 01/12/2014 23:49, flatfish+++ wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:47:16 +0000, Brian Gregory wrote: On 01/12/2014 01:37, JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2014-11-29, Brian Gregory wrote: On 28/11/2014 16:17, A wrote: Slimer wrote: And will likely do a better job of implementing both than GNU/Linux. http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/11/27/1347217/windows-10-to-feature-native-support-for-mkv-and-flac?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed VLC will play both formats in Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 8. So, BFD. More than that - install any one of several widely available free codec packs and any player will play them. ...and those will likely just be the same collection of free software that powers VLC. Well maybe, but I find more bugs in VLC than I do if I just install Combined Community Codec Pack and play in Media Player Classic Home Cinema. VLC tends to be buggy but mPlayer is even worse. The latest version of VLC has been working fine for me though. Under Windows 8.1 of course. The only problem I can remember with the current VLC 2.1.5 was that I found a video file where seeking back and forth in it totally failed taking me to somewhere totally different from where I wanted. Media Player Classic Home Cinema played it perfectly. Not so long ago I remember many versions of VLC on Windows couldn't even play an audio CD without crashing. It was like the developers weren't Sounds like a reversion driven by the fact that it's not 1998 anymore. 1998 is about the last time I directly played a CD. CDs are still the least expensive way to get high quality sound. M4A from iTunes and MP3 from 7digital don't cut it for everyone. -- Slimer OpenMedia, Wikipedia & Hope for Paws Supporter |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:30:03 -0500, Slimer wrote:
On 02/12/2014 11:08 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2014-12-02, Brian Gregory wrote: On 01/12/2014 23:49, flatfish+++ wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:47:16 +0000, Brian Gregory wrote: On 01/12/2014 01:37, JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2014-11-29, Brian Gregory wrote: On 28/11/2014 16:17, A wrote: Slimer wrote: And will likely do a better job of implementing both than GNU/Linux. http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/11/27/1347217/windows-10-to-feature-native-support-for-mkv-and-flac?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed VLC will play both formats in Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 8. So, BFD. More than that - install any one of several widely available free codec packs and any player will play them. ...and those will likely just be the same collection of free software that powers VLC. Well maybe, but I find more bugs in VLC than I do if I just install Combined Community Codec Pack and play in Media Player Classic Home Cinema. VLC tends to be buggy but mPlayer is even worse. The latest version of VLC has been working fine for me though. Under Windows 8.1 of course. The only problem I can remember with the current VLC 2.1.5 was that I found a video file where seeking back and forth in it totally failed taking me to somewhere totally different from where I wanted. Media Player Classic Home Cinema played it perfectly. Not so long ago I remember many versions of VLC on Windows couldn't even play an audio CD without crashing. It was like the developers weren't Sounds like a reversion driven by the fact that it's not 1998 anymore. 1998 is about the last time I directly played a CD. CDs are still the least expensive way to get high quality sound. M4A from iTunes and MP3 from 7digital don't cut it for everyone. Bit-Rot is a big thing with CD these days. People go back to that CD they bought in the 1980s and find it doesn't work anymore. Even worse for DVD. At least with vinyl or tape you can work around it. With a CD if it can't read the TOC, you are pretty much dead. -- flatfish+++ Linux: The Operating System That Put The City Of Munich Out Of Business. Before Switching To Linux Read This: http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux...current.htm l |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On 02/12/2014 3:19 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:30:03 -0500, Slimer wrote: On 02/12/2014 11:08 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2014-12-02, Brian Gregory wrote: On 01/12/2014 23:49, flatfish+++ wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:47:16 +0000, Brian Gregory wrote: On 01/12/2014 01:37, JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2014-11-29, Brian Gregory wrote: On 28/11/2014 16:17, A wrote: Slimer wrote: And will likely do a better job of implementing both than GNU/Linux. http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/11/27/1347217/windows-10-to-feature-native-support-for-mkv-and-flac?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed VLC will play both formats in Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 8. So, BFD. More than that - install any one of several widely available free codec packs and any player will play them. ...and those will likely just be the same collection of free software that powers VLC. Well maybe, but I find more bugs in VLC than I do if I just install Combined Community Codec Pack and play in Media Player Classic Home Cinema. VLC tends to be buggy but mPlayer is even worse. The latest version of VLC has been working fine for me though. Under Windows 8.1 of course. The only problem I can remember with the current VLC 2.1.5 was that I found a video file where seeking back and forth in it totally failed taking me to somewhere totally different from where I wanted. Media Player Classic Home Cinema played it perfectly. Not so long ago I remember many versions of VLC on Windows couldn't even play an audio CD without crashing. It was like the developers weren't Sounds like a reversion driven by the fact that it's not 1998 anymore. 1998 is about the last time I directly played a CD. CDs are still the least expensive way to get high quality sound. M4A from iTunes and MP3 from 7digital don't cut it for everyone. Bit-Rot is a big thing with CD these days. People go back to that CD they bought in the 1980s and find it doesn't work anymore. Even worse for DVD. At least with vinyl or tape you can work around it. With a CD if it can't read the TOC, you are pretty much dead. I don't know if what happens to CDs constitutes bit-rot though. At the end of the day, it's not so much that the data corrupted itself as much as it is the fact that the media became unreadable. Age will do that to any medium though, from vinyl to Blu-Ray. If sound can still be extracted from decade-old vinyls though, that's awesome. I would assume that there's little more than pops and fizzes on that old record. Brand new records provide you with the best sound imaginable though. -- Slimer OpenMedia, Wikipedia & Hope for Paws Supporter |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
Slimer wrote:
On 02/12/2014 3:19 PM, flatfish+++ wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:30:03 -0500, Slimer wrote: On 02/12/2014 11:08 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2014-12-02, Brian Gregory wrote: On 01/12/2014 23:49, flatfish+++ wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:47:16 +0000, Brian Gregory wrote: On 01/12/2014 01:37, JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2014-11-29, Brian Gregory wrote: On 28/11/2014 16:17, A wrote: Slimer wrote: And will likely do a better job of implementing both than GNU/Linux. http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/11/27/1347217/windows-10-to-feature-native-support-for-mkv-and-flac?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed VLC will play both formats in Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 8. So, BFD. More than that - install any one of several widely available free codec packs and any player will play them. ...and those will likely just be the same collection of free software that powers VLC. Well maybe, but I find more bugs in VLC than I do if I just install Combined Community Codec Pack and play in Media Player Classic Home Cinema. VLC tends to be buggy but mPlayer is even worse. The latest version of VLC has been working fine for me though. Under Windows 8.1 of course. The only problem I can remember with the current VLC 2.1.5 was that I found a video file where seeking back and forth in it totally failed taking me to somewhere totally different from where I wanted. Media Player Classic Home Cinema played it perfectly. Not so long ago I remember many versions of VLC on Windows couldn't even play an audio CD without crashing. It was like the developers weren't Sounds like a reversion driven by the fact that it's not 1998 anymore. 1998 is about the last time I directly played a CD. CDs are still the least expensive way to get high quality sound. M4A from iTunes and MP3 from 7digital don't cut it for everyone. Bit-Rot is a big thing with CD these days. People go back to that CD they bought in the 1980s and find it doesn't work anymore. Even worse for DVD. At least with vinyl or tape you can work around it. With a CD if it can't read the TOC, you are pretty much dead. I don't know if what happens to CDs constitutes bit-rot though. At the end of the day, it's not so much that the data corrupted itself as much as it is the fact that the media became unreadable. Age will do that to any medium though, from vinyl to Blu-Ray. Vinyl will not corrupt if stored correctly If sound can still be extracted from decade-old vinyls though, that's awesome. I would assume that there's little more than pops and fizzes on that old record. Brand new records provide you with the best sound imaginable though. And why would physical grooves decay? You can play a 50 years old vinyl and it will sound exactly as 50 years ago if it hasn't been played. I have *lots* of vinyl disks, and they still sound nearly as new, even after 40 years and having often been played in some cases. But then, my record player costs more than a high end apple toy. |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:19:56 -0500, flatfish+++
wrote: Bit-Rot is a big thing with CD these days. People go back to that CD they bought in the 1980s and find it doesn't work anymore. Even worse for DVD. If bit rot is possible with pressed CD/DVDs, it's news to me. Plenty of other things can go wrong, especially if proper handling and storage aren't observed, but I believe bit rot is reserved for the writeable variety of optical discs. At least with vinyl or tape you can work around it. With a CD if it can't read the TOC, you are pretty much dead. Don't let the kids handle it and don't store it in direct sunlight or in the car where temps hit 140+ and you should be fine. In the life of a pressed CD or DVD, the 1980's weren't that long ago. |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On 02/12/2014 20:19, flatfish+++ wrote:
Bit-Rot is a big thing with CD these days. People go back to that CD they bought in the 1980s and find it doesn't work anymore. Even worse for DVD. At least with vinyl or tape you can work around it. With a CD if it can't read the TOC, you are pretty much dead. Of all mass produced discs it's worst on early CDs. With mass produced CDs the metal layer is on the top or close to the top of the disc and if not protected well by a good layer of appropriately chosen paint or varnish like material can oxidise, or get scratched. CDs that have had sticky labels stuck on them are particularly bad. DVDs are better because the data carrying layer or layers is/are between two relatively thick polycarbonate layers. Recordable discs can fade and avoiding sunlight and higher room temperatures along with choosing good brands (I prefer Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden) will help. Some people say re-recordable (RW and RE) will likely last longer than one time R disks if looked after sensibly. But I find the re-recordable discs generally start out with much higher correctable error rates than carefully recorded one time discs so personally I'm not sure. -- Brian Gregory (in the UK). To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address. |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On 02/12/2014 23:48, Brian Gregory wrote:
Of all mass produced discs it's worst on early CDs. .... I should add that I'm only discussing CDs, DVDs, Blu-ray and similar optical discs. -- Brian Gregory (in the UK). To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address. |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 17:38:54 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:19:56 -0500, flatfish+++ wrote: Bit-Rot is a big thing with CD these days. People go back to that CD they bought in the 1980s and find it doesn't work anymore. Even worse for DVD. If bit rot is possible with pressed CD/DVDs, it's news to me. Plenty of other things can go wrong, especially if proper handling and storage aren't observed, but I believe bit rot is reserved for the writeable variety of optical discs. At least with vinyl or tape you can work around it. With a CD if it can't read the TOC, you are pretty much dead. Don't let the kids handle it and don't store it in direct sunlight or in the car where temps hit 140+ and you should be fine. In the life of a pressed CD or DVD, the 1980's weren't that long ago. Might be a bad use of terminology on my part but basically what I am saying is CD in apparently good, non scratched condition, fails to play. You are DOA. Nothing you can do. At least with vinyl or tape you can recover. -- flatfish+++ Linux: The Operating System That Put The City Of Munich Out Of Business. Before Switching To Linux Read This: http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux...current.htm l |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On 02/12/2014 23:54, flatfish+++ wrote:
Might be a bad use of terminology on my part but basically what I am saying is CD in apparently good, non scratched condition, fails to play. You are DOA. Nothing you can do. At least with vinyl or tape you can recover. In practice trying another player/reader often works but yes that's right, and not only that but the drives don't seem to be designed to allow scanning to recover parts that are readable except in cases of relatively minor problems. -- Brian Gregory (in the UK). To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address. |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 00:00:58 +0000, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 02/12/2014 23:54, flatfish+++ wrote: Might be a bad use of terminology on my part but basically what I am saying is CD in apparently good, non scratched condition, fails to play. You are DOA. Nothing you can do. At least with vinyl or tape you can recover. In practice trying another player/reader often works but yes that's right, and not only that but the drives don't seem to be designed to allow scanning to recover parts that are readable except in cases of relatively minor problems. Yep. Using another player is my first line of attack. I'm finding a decent number of my commercial CD's from the 90's are having problems. I'm finding a LOT of my home burned data CD and DVD are having even more problems despite using top quality media and always good quality burners like Plextor, Sony etc. -- flatfish+++ Linux: The Operating System That Put The City Of Munich Out Of Business. Before Switching To Linux Read This: http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux...current.htm l |
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Windows 10 to feature native support for FLAC and MKV
Char Jackson wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:19:56 -0500, flatfish+++ wrote: Bit-Rot is a big thing with CD these days. People go back to that CD they bought in the 1980s and find it doesn't work anymore. Even worse for DVD. If bit rot is possible with pressed CD/DVDs, it's news to me. Plenty of other things can go wrong, especially if proper handling and storage aren't observed, but I believe bit rot is reserved for the writeable variety of optical discs. At least with vinyl or tape you can work around it. With a CD if it can't read the TOC, you are pretty much dead. Don't let the kids handle it and don't store it in direct sunlight or in the car where temps hit 140+ and you should be fine. In the life of a pressed CD or DVD, the 1980's weren't that long ago. http://www.clir.org/pubs/reports/pub121/sec4.html Among the manufacturers that have done testing, there is consensus that, under recommended storage conditions, CD-R, DVD-R, and DVD+R discs should have a life expectancy of 100 to 200 years or more; CD-RW, DVD-RW, DVD+RW, and DVD-RAM discs should have a life expectancy of 25 years or more. Little information is available for CD-ROM and DVD-ROM discs (including audio and video), resulting in an increased level of uncertainty for their life expectancy. Expectations vary from 20 to 100 years for these discs. -- With all the fancy scientists in the world, why can't they just once build a nuclear balm? |
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