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  #61  
Old January 4th 16, 02:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default It's a good day to upgrade

On 03/01/2016 16:50, Slimer wrote:
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On 2016-01-03 2:17 AM, John Doe wrote:
I wrote:

Getting Windows 8 for $40 and now Windows 10 for free. Easy to
understand why, because Microsoft is under humongous reverse
pressure from ultraportable PCs and their operating systems. But
I have a feeling it's going to effect more than the price of
Windows.


Unfortunately, it seems to be encouraging Microsoft to do the wrong
thing. Instead of Microsoft improving the desktop operating
system, Microsoft is trying harder to monopolize ultraportable PCs,
and to hell with the desktop.


Perhaps because ultraportable PCs are hot sellers? As far as I know,
Windows 10 is an excellent compromise between those who want a desktop
experience and those who want a tablet experience.
My wife has one
such ultraportable hybrid device and the transition from laptop to
tablet is seamless. I'm not sure what you're complaining about.


What kind of device does your wife have? A Surface Pro?


This reminds me of the big Microsoft antitrust trial prior to
2000. That's when Windows XP came out and ended the crappy
consumer versions of Windows power users had to restart several
times during the day. This huge pressure on Microsoft could
result in another major improvement of quality. No more sitting
on its hands, at least for a while.


Or maybe Microsoft is losing it. I've experienced several extremely
long delays that remind me of pre-Windows XP freezing. There is
also the appearance that programmers who don't know what they're
doing are trying to redesign Windows. None of the old annoyances
have been fixed. And the fact we have no control over updates is a
huge glaring mistake.

Putting the tiles on the start menu does nothing for me. All I use
the Start screen for in Windows 8 is occasionally searching for a
newly installed application.


Meanwhile, this group is discussing Windows 10 where tiles are very
well integrated.


How do you use tiles on a desktop PC / notebook?


Time to upgrade. For me, much earlier than usual. I didn't even
use Windows Vista or Windows 7.


I will do a clean installation of Windows 8 instead. I suspect
that's what most Microsoft employees are using. Hopefully they
won't eventually trash Windows 8 worse than what they are doing
with Windows 10.

Microsoft can forget about ultraportable PC domination, that war is
over. Opening up Windows might be the only thing to save
Microsoft. Open source would probably greatly enhance the desktop
OS over time.


Yeah, you're clearly off of your medication. Meanwhile, the Surface
Pro line is quickly becoming a device of choice for new customers



You might have a point about the new Surface Pro
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/11...let-online.htm

Still, most Windows users don't own a Surface Pro, so they are not
interested in any "compromise" or "seamless transition".



and
the SurfaceBook demonstrates that Microsoft is still capable of
innovating and that it can make a fool out of Apple. I don't know what
delusion you have but it's affecting your ability to reason.


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  #62  
Old January 4th 16, 07:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default It's a good day to upgrade

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On 2016-01-04 8:08 AM, edevils wrote:
On 03/01/2016 16:50, Slimer wrote:
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On 2016-01-03 2:17 AM, John Doe wrote:
I wrote:

Getting Windows 8 for $40 and now Windows 10 for free. Easy
to understand why, because Microsoft is under humongous
reverse pressure from ultraportable PCs and their operating
systems. But I have a feeling it's going to effect more than
the price of Windows.

Unfortunately, it seems to be encouraging Microsoft to do the
wrong thing. Instead of Microsoft improving the desktop
operating system, Microsoft is trying harder to monopolize
ultraportable PCs, and to hell with the desktop.


Perhaps because ultraportable PCs are hot sellers? As far as I
know, Windows 10 is an excellent compromise between those who
want a desktop experience and those who want a tablet
experience. My wife has one such ultraportable hybrid device and
the transition from laptop to tablet is seamless. I'm not sure
what you're complaining about.


What kind of device does your wife have? A Surface Pro?


Lenovo Yoga Pro 3.

This reminds me of the big Microsoft antitrust trial prior
to 2000. That's when Windows XP came out and ended the
crappy consumer versions of Windows power users had to
restart several times during the day. This huge pressure on
Microsoft could result in another major improvement of
quality. No more sitting on its hands, at least for a while.

Or maybe Microsoft is losing it. I've experienced several
extremely long delays that remind me of pre-Windows XP
freezing. There is also the appearance that programmers who
don't know what they're doing are trying to redesign Windows.
None of the old annoyances have been fixed. And the fact we
have no control over updates is a huge glaring mistake.

Putting the tiles on the start menu does nothing for me. All I
use the Start screen for in Windows 8 is occasionally searching
for a newly installed application.


Meanwhile, this group is discussing Windows 10 where tiles are
very well integrated.


How do you use tiles on a desktop PC / notebook?


Well, I know that if I need a quick idea of what the weather is or
what the currency exchange is currently at, the app I installed in the
Start menu will give me that information. I also have one for unit
conversion.

Time to upgrade. For me, much earlier than usual. I didn't
even use Windows Vista or Windows 7.

I will do a clean installation of Windows 8 instead. I suspect
that's what most Microsoft employees are using. Hopefully they
won't eventually trash Windows 8 worse than what they are
doing with Windows 10.

Microsoft can forget about ultraportable PC domination, that
war is over. Opening up Windows might be the only thing to
save Microsoft. Open source would probably greatly enhance the
desktop OS over time.


Yeah, you're clearly off of your medication. Meanwhile, the
Surface Pro line is quickly becoming a device of choice for new
customers



You might have a point about the new Surface Pro
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/11...oft-surface-ov

ertakes-apple-s-ipad-as-top-selling-tablet-online.htm



Still, most Windows users don't own a Surface Pro, so they are not
interested in any "compromise" or "seamless transition".


Traditional ones might not, the new ones will. Not everyone is
interested in power as much as they are in portability and slick design.

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  #63  
Old January 5th 16, 01:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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edevils wrote:

You might have a point about the new Surface Pro
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/11...let-online.htm

Still, most Windows users don't own a Surface Pro, so they are not
interested in any "compromise" or "seamless transition".


The ultraportable PC war is long over. Microsoft is acting like the
Black Night in Monty Python's Holy Grail after King Arthur got through
with it. It wasn't even Microsoft's territory to begin with.

Other headlines, from 2015...

"Apple Watch Already Generates More Revenue Than Microsoft Surface"

http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/news/ap...osoft-surface/

"Apple's iPhone Sales Last Quarter Worth More Than Google And Microsoft's Combined"

http://www.ibtimes.com/apples-iphone...mbined-1797318

"Apple iPhone Sales Surge Leads to Biggest Profit for Any Company Ever"

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/apple...ry?id=28529129

"Apple crushes analyst predictions by selling 74.4 million iPhones last quarter"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-last-quarter/

"How, and Why, Apple Overtook Microsoft"

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/30/bu...soft.html?_r=0

  #64  
Old January 5th 16, 11:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 22:52:14 +0000, John Doe wrote:

CRNG wrote:

John Doe wrote:


Time to upgrade. For me, much earlier than usual. I didn't even use
Windows Vista or Windows 7.


I'm still on WinXPsp2. I have never performed a single upgrade and
have no plans to upgrade until the hardware dies.


Why not service pack 3? And why are you here?

Admittedly, Windows XP was the first and apparently last Microsoft
Windows that took Windows seriously. But hopefully that will change.


Correction! Windows 2000 professional holds that particular honour. By
comparison, winXP was a blinged up braindead polished turd aimed
specifically to capture the domestic home market of consumers with its
'Fisher Price' desktop environment designed to appeal to young American
family consumers and their 2.5 toddlers in tow as they browsed their
local 'Circuit City' and Radioshack stores.

Taking a look at Windows 10... I am impressed that Microsoft is making
Windows look worse than ever before. Now there are even fewer theme


After winXP, I'm not at all surprised. Usability has been on a downhill
slope ever since with the ironically named Vista representing a rapid
plunge into the abbyss and win7's tricks of trying to hide the fact that
it's just another bit of PC hardware prone, as ever, to hardware failures
rather than, as 99% of consumers think of their handheld 'toy computers'
as being "Just Magic" that might as well have been imported from Terry
Pratchet's "Discworld" for all they understand of the technology involved
by not admitting to blatant hard disk problems that would once have
resulted (in both win2k and winXP) in an immediate pop up error message
about problems accessing the disk drive.

This just what you might expect from a PC industry cartel, headed by MSFT
and the chip suppliers, well named as "Wintel". The year 2000 was the
year that Wintel hit 'paydirt' when they finally succeeded in their 'Holy
Grail' conquest' of that softest of targets, the American Consumer market
(which rapidly expanded into the global consumer market just a few short
years later). It's only now, in hindsight, that winXP looks a lot less
**** than it really is (but only because all subsequent windows releases
have proven to be even ****tier with each successive release).

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  #65  
Old January 6th 16, 10:21 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
F Murtz
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John Doe wrote:
CRNG wrote:

John Doe wrote:


Time to upgrade. For me, much earlier than usual. I didn't even use
Windows Vista or Windows 7.


I'm still on WinXPsp2. I have never performed a single upgrade and
have no plans to upgrade until the hardware dies.


Why not service pack 3? And why are you here?

Admittedly, Windows XP was the first and apparently last Microsoft
Windows that took Windows seriously. But hopefully that will change.

Taking a look at Windows 10... I am impressed that Microsoft is making
Windows look worse than ever before. Now there are even fewer theme
customization options than there were in Windows 8/7/Vista. Windows
borders look like ****. Fortunately, if you are using a high contrast
color scheme, you can repair most of the damage simply by copying the
Colors folder from the Windows 8 registry. But forget about gradient
title bars.

Strangely, nowadays Microsoft apparently thinks that a cool desktop
background picture is all it takes to make Windows look okay. Microsoft
should change the name to something other than "Windows" if it's going
to destroy the look and feel of Windows. But hopefully appearance
customization of the desktop will come back to Microsoft as it struggles
for its life against ultraportable PCs. Or maybe it will just die. Time
will tell.

Next up, I will see what Microsoft has done for speech recognition in
Windows. Google has already made their speech recognition practically on
par with Dragon NaturallySpeaking, at least for short phrase dictation.
If Microsoft wants to combat ultraportable PCs, it's going to have to
improve Windows for desktop users. There are plenty of innovations
Microsoft should have been doing all along. They are already happening
on ultraportable PCs. If Microsoft doesn't see those things by now, it's
dead.


And things did not work properly on my Vaio laptop and it did not
revert, had to wipe everything and reinstall 8.1 from scratch.
  #66  
Old January 6th 16, 10:34 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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John Doe wrote:
A typical UseNet troll...


Idiots that just HAVE to change backgrounds to prove how clever they are
(they think)are stuffing things up
  #67  
Old January 6th 16, 10:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
F Murtz
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John Doe wrote:
edevils wrote:

Slimer wrote:


Microsoft removed certain personalization options in Windows,


That's not just a one time thing, asshole, it's a trend that's been
going on since after Windows XP.

And then they are adding them again. My Win10 title bars are dark
blue, like the accent color I chose in PC Settings - Personalization.


And hopefully they will begin to reverse all of the other appearance
customization restrictions so that we can start making Windows look the
way we want it to look like we used to be able to do. Nowadays, they are
pushing background pictures and accent colors as if they are themes.

But of course destroying Windows' look and feel is not Microsoft's only
problem. Microsoft's lack of innovation is rightly being highlighted by
innovation in the ultraportable PC market, by Apple and Google. And it's
about time.

Suck it up Microsoft. See how much longer you can survive without adding
viable speech input and output to Windows. Otherwise... DIE! DIE! DIE!



At least the worst mob (Apple) has apple centres with apple experts in
them . Where could I have taken my problem with WIN 10 to,
Microsoft were the ones trying to exhort me to install 10 saying it
would work.
  #68  
Old January 6th 16, 10:43 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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bert wrote:
In article , Ed Mullen
writes
John Doe wrote on 12/30/2015 6:43 PM:
Getting Windows 8 for $40 and now Windows 10 for free. Easy to
understand why, because Microsoft is under humongous reverse pressure
from ultraportable PCs and their operating systems. But I have a feeling
it's going to effect more than the price of Windows.

This reminds me of the big Microsoft antitrust trial prior to 2000.
That's when Windows XP came out and ended the crappy consumer versions
of Windows power users had to restart several times during the day. This
huge pressure on Microsoft could result in another major improvement of
quality. No more sitting on its hands, at least for a while.

Time to upgrade. For me, much earlier than usual. I didn't even use
Windows Vista or Windows 7.


You missed out on W7. Great OS. So far I'm unimpressed by W10 by
comparison. It's getting better but almost in secret. You have to dig
around to find what's new and better. Like changing the program title
bar color from that horrid white. Took out the ability then put it
back in. Why didn't they just ask first? Or why even contemplate
changing that? White? Uh, white?

It's almost as if the MS Devs like being called idiots and cursed at.
Geez.

Lemme see, an MS Windows dev meeting ...

"Let's make all the title bars white!"

"Why?"

"Because we can!"

"Um, what if people don't like it?"

"What!? Of course they will!!!"

"Why?"

"I don't care!"



My wife bought a new laptop with 8.1 She was happy with it but upgraded
to W10.
Noticeably slower and she preferred the 8.1 tiles.
So rolled back to 8.1
Now is unhappy with a partially ****ed up 8.1

Snap.
  #69  
Old January 6th 16, 10:59 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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F Murtz wrote:

And things did not work properly on my Vaio laptop and it did not
revert, had to wipe everything and reinstall 8.1 from scratch.


That's what Macrium Reflect is for. Life can be so easy...
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Old January 6th 16, 01:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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John Doe wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

And things did not work properly on my Vaio laptop and it did not
revert, had to wipe everything and reinstall 8.1 from scratch.


That's what Macrium Reflect is for. Life can be so easy...

Win 10 is supposed to do it for you and revert seamlessly if done before
a couple of weeks
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Old January 6th 16, 02:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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F Murtz wrote:
John Doe wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

And things did not work properly on my Vaio laptop and it did not
revert, had to wipe everything and reinstall 8.1 from scratch.


That's what Macrium Reflect is for. Life can be so easy...

Win 10 is supposed to do it for you and revert seamlessly if done before
a couple of weeks


Actually, no.

The seamless part, is anything contained in Windows.old
is preserved very nicely. No argument there.

However, they modify the contents of your Program Files,
removing programs as they see fit, which means an
attempt to revert, they never put the contents
of Program Files back.

This is why we use backup software here. *Backup* before
your "free" Upgrade installation! That's how you revert,
with absolutely no issues at all. A backup copy will
keep your Program Files, the way you had it.

HTH,
Paul
  #72  
Old January 6th 16, 06:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 06/01/2016 13:56, F Murtz wrote:
John Doe wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

And things did not work properly on my Vaio laptop and it did not
revert, had to wipe everything and reinstall 8.1 from scratch.


That's what Macrium Reflect is for. Life can be so easy...

Win 10 is supposed to do it for you and revert seamlessly if done before
a couple of weeks


1. Not always as "seamlessly" as it is *supposed* to be, even if done
immediately after the upgrade. See what Paul says.
2. Reverting is a slower process than restoring a backup image.
3. You can restore the backup image whenever you like, while the
reverting feature is limited to 31 days max.
4. Backing up is a good practice anyway, regardless of the upgrade.
5. In case your hard disk is nearly full, you may need to delete
windows.old to free up disk space, and then regret having deleted it...
when you need it! On the contrary, backing up to an external disk or
pendrive or NAS... is not a problem.
  #73  
Old January 6th 16, 06:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Couldn't find anything useful on Google.


  #74  
Old January 6th 16, 07:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Jake wrote:

Couldn't find anything useful on Google.



Boot your Vista/Windows7/Windows8/Windows19 machine
and run the browser, visit this page and get the
MediaCreationTool. Match the OS version currently
on your computer, before starting the download from
the MediaCreationTool.exe .

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/softw...d/windows10ISO

Paul
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Old January 6th 16, 07:15 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Paul" wrote in message ...

Jake wrote:

Couldn't find anything useful on Google.



Boot your Vista/Windows7/Windows8/Windows19 machine
and run the browser, visit this page and get the
MediaCreationTool. Match the OS version currently
on your computer, before starting the download from
the MediaCreationTool.exe .


http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/softw...d/windows10ISO


Paul


Tks. for the input.

After I posted I gave it another look. Burned a CD like this, using , "file
History", click, "system image backup", click, "create a system repair
disc". Eazy Peazy.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...947&FORM=VIRE1

 




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