My Computer is Haunted

My computer is haunted. Things happen in the night when I am not there
and the computer has been shut down (that is, the soft shut down which
now is the standard state with Windows 10). Usually I have to prod
the star button on the front of the panel to set the whole thing
alight but these days I find that in the morning it is awake and ready
to accept my pin number. Now that is something. Initially it would
accept my local account password but one day it started instead
demanding my Microsoft Account password. About a year ago it told me
that it would make things easier for me by getting to use my pin
number. I don't really mind as long as any stranger who gets into my
computer doesn't know any of these things.

Now, I'm a Firefox man and don't want to have anything to do with
Edge. I certainly don't want to be greeted by it when I start up. I've
done all the usual things including startup, task scheduler, group
policies, except for the registry which I would rather leave alone.
I've used all of these functions to knock Edge on the head, but it
never stays knocked. My settings don't seem to have changed. The ghost
in the computer seems to be able to ignore all these things and turn
Edge back on or off whenever it feels like it. Right now its off.

The ghost also fiddles with Power Management. I want my computer to go
to sleep whenever I leave it alone for more than 15 minutes. After
half an hour I want it to shut down. I set the computer so that when
restarted the computer required a password. It used to do that without
any problems but one day it just stopped doing that. Everything
remained set according to the book but the computer had changed its
habits and I found nothing that would enable me to restore it to good
behaviour.

For a long time I have run my computer via a UPS but until recently I
had never installed the software which came with it. Finally,
curiosity got the better of me and I installed the software. I
expected just a few seconds of the installer running around my machine
and then the arrival of a new icon. The installer took nearly a minute
to do its job and appeared to exorcise the ghost in the process. I no
longer saw Edge and the machine went to sleep and shut down as
commanded.

About two weeks ago I awoke to find all the clocks in the house were
addled. There clearly had been a power failure during the night,
lasting nearly an hour. As per settings the UPS powered off the
computer after 5 minutes. Also, presumably as a result of EUFI BIOS
settings the computer did not start up when the UPS reconnected. Now,
whatever the sleeping computer was dreaming when it was so rudely
interrupted, it now no longer sleeps nor shuts down when required.

Since then, Edge has appeared and then disappeared on a number of
occasions. Disconcertingly, for the first time ever, I have seen the
American MegaTrends BIOS splash screen several times on stat up. Not
always, but sometimes.

Being somewhat ****ed off by this erratic and inconsistent behaviour
of my machine, I have gone on the trail of whoever might be playing
mischief in the night. I found that Microsoft has been paying me
nocturnal visitations and dropping off updates of various kinds.
That's the big stuff. More to the point, the event viewer shows that a
gentleman called DCOMM has been paying my machine a multitude of
regular visitations during the night. Many of these appear to have
failed of their purpose but it is apparent that a long period of time
my machine is haunted by a ghost from Redmond.

I would be surprised if I was the only person to receive nocturnal
visits but I am not aware of anyone reporting these strange changes in
machine behaviour. Is my experience unique?
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 12/07/2020 12.24, Eric Stevens wrote:
My computer is haunted. Things happen in the night when I am not there
and the computer has been shut down (that is, the soft shut down which
now is the standard state with Windows 10). Usually I have to prod
the star button on the front of the panel to set the whole thing
alight but these days I find that in the morning it is awake and ready
to accept my pin number. Now that is something. Initially it would
accept my local account password but one day it started instead
demanding my Microsoft Account password. About a year ago it told me
that it would make things easier for me by getting to use my pin
number. I don't really mind as long as any stranger who gets into my
computer doesn't know any of these things.

Now, I'm a Firefox man and don't want to have anything to do with
Edge. I certainly don't want to be greeted by it when I start up. I've
done all the usual things including startup, task scheduler, group
policies, except for the registry which I would rather leave alone.
I've used all of these functions to knock Edge on the head, but it
never stays knocked. My settings don't seem to have changed. The ghost
in the computer seems to be able to ignore all these things and turn
Edge back on or off whenever it feels like it. Right now its off.

The ghost also fiddles with Power Management. I want my computer to go
to sleep whenever I leave it alone for more than 15 minutes. After
half an hour I want it to shut down. I set the computer so that when
restarted the computer required a password. It used to do that without
any problems but one day it just stopped doing that. Everything
remained set according to the book but the computer had changed its
habits and I found nothing that would enable me to restore it to good
behaviour.

For a long time I have run my computer via a UPS but until recently I
had never installed the software which came with it. Finally,
curiosity got the better of me and I installed the software. I
expected just a few seconds of the installer running around my machine
and then the arrival of a new icon. The installer took nearly a minute
to do its job and appeared to exorcise the ghost in the process. I no
longer saw Edge and the machine went to sleep and shut down as
commanded.

About two weeks ago I awoke to find all the clocks in the house were
addled. There clearly had been a power failure during the night,
lasting nearly an hour. As per settings the UPS powered off the
computer after 5 minutes. Also, presumably as a result of EUFI BIOS
settings the computer did not start up when the UPS reconnected. Now,
whatever the sleeping computer was dreaming when it was so rudely
interrupted, it now no longer sleeps nor shuts down when required.

Since then, Edge has appeared and then disappeared on a number of
occasions. Disconcertingly, for the first time ever, I have seen the
American MegaTrends BIOS splash screen several times on stat up. Not
always, but sometimes.

Being somewhat ****ed off by this erratic and inconsistent behaviour
of my machine, I have gone on the trail of whoever might be playing
mischief in the night. I found that Microsoft has been paying me
nocturnal visitations and dropping off updates of various kinds.
That's the big stuff. More to the point, the event viewer shows that a
gentleman called DCOMM has been paying my machine a multitude of
regular visitations during the night. Many of these appear to have
failed of their purpose but it is apparent that a long period of time
my machine is haunted by a ghost from Redmond.

I would be surprised if I was the only person to receive nocturnal
visits but I am not aware of anyone reporting these strange changes in
machine behaviour. Is my experience unique?


Good reading :-D

I don't think you are the only one. Doesn't happen to me, I manually
power off or hibernate my machines, then switch off the mains in the UPS
or the power strip.

(of course, the real trick is that I rarely use Windows except for a few
hours, then back to Linux. My machines do not play tricks on me :-P ).

But seriously, yes, I heard of this. M$ tries to do the updates while
you are sleeping and thus have the machine ready for you in the morning.
The intended policy is to never power off the computers. Think: we never
power off our Android tablets or phones. Well, Microsoft wants to
achieve the same thing.


There is a feature in the Bios that you can program a startup of the
machine at a certain time. So what Windows does is go to sleep or power
up, programming this function in advance.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 7/12/2020 3:24 AM, Eric Stevens wrote:
My computer is haunted. Things happen in the night when I am not there
and the computer has been shut down (that is, the soft shut down which
now is the standard state with Windows 10). Usually I have to prod
the star button on the front of the panel to set the whole thing
alight but these days I find that in the morning it is awake and ready
to accept my pin number. Now that is something. Initially it would
accept my local account password but one day it started instead
demanding my Microsoft Account password. About a year ago it told me
that it would make things easier for me by getting to use my pin
number. I don't really mind as long as any stranger who gets into my
computer doesn't know any of these things.

Now, I'm a Firefox man and don't want to have anything to do with
Edge. I certainly don't want to be greeted by it when I start up. I've
done all the usual things including startup, task scheduler, group
policies, except for the registry which I would rather leave alone.
I've used all of these functions to knock Edge on the head, but it
never stays knocked. My settings don't seem to have changed. The ghost
in the computer seems to be able to ignore all these things and turn
Edge back on or off whenever it feels like it. Right now its off.

The ghost also fiddles with Power Management. I want my computer to go
to sleep whenever I leave it alone for more than 15 minutes. After
half an hour I want it to shut down. I set the computer so that when
restarted the computer required a password. It used to do that without
any problems but one day it just stopped doing that. Everything
remained set according to the book but the computer had changed its
habits and I found nothing that would enable me to restore it to good
behaviour.

For a long time I have run my computer via a UPS but until recently I
had never installed the software which came with it. Finally,
curiosity got the better of me and I installed the software. I
expected just a few seconds of the installer running around my machine
and then the arrival of a new icon. The installer took nearly a minute
to do its job and appeared to exorcise the ghost in the process. I no
longer saw Edge and the machine went to sleep and shut down as
commanded.

About two weeks ago I awoke to find all the clocks in the house were
addled. There clearly had been a power failure during the night,
lasting nearly an hour. As per settings the UPS powered off the
computer after 5 minutes. Also, presumably as a result of EUFI BIOS
settings the computer did not start up when the UPS reconnected. Now,
whatever the sleeping computer was dreaming when it was so rudely
interrupted, it now no longer sleeps nor shuts down when required.

Since then, Edge has appeared and then disappeared on a number of
occasions. Disconcertingly, for the first time ever, I have seen the
American MegaTrends BIOS splash screen several times on stat up. Not
always, but sometimes.

Being somewhat ****ed off by this erratic and inconsistent behaviour
of my machine, I have gone on the trail of whoever might be playing
mischief in the night. I found that Microsoft has been paying me
nocturnal visitations and dropping off updates of various kinds.
That's the big stuff. More to the point, the event viewer shows that a
gentleman called DCOMM has been paying my machine a multitude of
regular visitations during the night. Many of these appear to have
failed of their purpose but it is apparent that a long period of time
my machine is haunted by a ghost from Redmond.

I would be surprised if I was the only person to receive nocturnal
visits but I am not aware of anyone reporting these strange changes in
machine behaviour. Is my experience unique?



I haven't had your experience, but I never choose to run Edge. I run
FireFox, except for an occasional web site that won't run under FireFox
and needs Edge,


--
Ken

Eric Stevens wrote:
My computer is haunted. Things happen in the night when I am not there
and the computer has been shut down (that is, the soft shut down which
now is the standard state with Windows 10). Usually I have to prod
the star button on the front of the panel to set the whole thing
alight but these days I find that in the morning it is awake and ready
to accept my pin number. Now that is something. Initially it would
accept my local account password but one day it started instead
demanding my Microsoft Account password. About a year ago it told me
that it would make things easier for me by getting to use my pin
number. I don't really mind as long as any stranger who gets into my
computer doesn't know any of these things.

Now, I'm a Firefox man and don't want to have anything to do with
Edge. I certainly don't want to be greeted by it when I start up. I've
done all the usual things including startup, task scheduler, group
policies, except for the registry which I would rather leave alone.
I've used all of these functions to knock Edge on the head, but it
never stays knocked. My settings don't seem to have changed. The ghost
in the computer seems to be able to ignore all these things and turn
Edge back on or off whenever it feels like it. Right now its off.

The ghost also fiddles with Power Management. I want my computer to go
to sleep whenever I leave it alone for more than 15 minutes. After
half an hour I want it to shut down. I set the computer so that when
restarted the computer required a password. It used to do that without
any problems but one day it just stopped doing that. Everything
remained set according to the book but the computer had changed its
habits and I found nothing that would enable me to restore it to good
behaviour.

For a long time I have run my computer via a UPS but until recently I
had never installed the software which came with it. Finally,
curiosity got the better of me and I installed the software. I
expected just a few seconds of the installer running around my machine
and then the arrival of a new icon. The installer took nearly a minute
to do its job and appeared to exorcise the ghost in the process. I no
longer saw Edge and the machine went to sleep and shut down as
commanded.

About two weeks ago I awoke to find all the clocks in the house were
addled. There clearly had been a power failure during the night,
lasting nearly an hour. As per settings the UPS powered off the
computer after 5 minutes. Also, presumably as a result of EUFI BIOS
settings the computer did not start up when the UPS reconnected. Now,
whatever the sleeping computer was dreaming when it was so rudely
interrupted, it now no longer sleeps nor shuts down when required.

Since then, Edge has appeared and then disappeared on a number of
occasions. Disconcertingly, for the first time ever, I have seen the
American MegaTrends BIOS splash screen several times on stat up. Not
always, but sometimes.

Being somewhat ****ed off by this erratic and inconsistent behaviour
of my machine, I have gone on the trail of whoever might be playing
mischief in the night. I found that Microsoft has been paying me
nocturnal visitations and dropping off updates of various kinds.
That's the big stuff. More to the point, the event viewer shows that a
gentleman called DCOMM has been paying my machine a multitude of
regular visitations during the night. Many of these appear to have
failed of their purpose but it is apparent that a long period of time
my machine is haunted by a ghost from Redmond.

I would be surprised if I was the only person to receive nocturnal
visits but I am not aware of anyone reporting these strange changes in
machine behaviour. Is my experience unique?

The machine being found in a running state in the
morning is not a complete surprise. I've had this
happen here.

This is part of Windows Update logic.

If the user refuses to reboot when asked, then the logic can
place an entry in Scheduled Tasks. It could reboot on you
when you weren't around.

The user may subsequently reboot manually, causing the Windows Update to
finish.

The mistake at this point is, the Scheduled Task entry does not
get cleared.

The machine wakes up at 4AM and says "anything to do?".
Since the Windows Update is flushed already, the answer is "No".

Now initially, like back in 15063, the machine lacked the
setting to notice it was idle and "go back to sleep". The
user would come along at 8AM and notice "hey, my computer
is running!",

A later improvement, results in the machine still waking
at 4AM, but it went back to sleep at 4:05AM.

The "hours of use" setting may play some part in what happens.

I turn the power off on the back of the computer, to keep
any scheduled tasks of that nature from doing stuff. I
can't do that if the machine is in S3 Sleep. I don't use
Hybrid Sleep (because: powercfg /h off).

Paul

On 2020-07-12 04:37, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 12/07/2020 12.24, Eric Stevens wrote:
My computer is haunted. Things happen in the night when I am not there
and the computer has been shut down (that is, the soft shut down which
now is the standard state with Windows 10).Â*Â*Â* Usually I have to prod
the star button on the front of the panel to set the whole thing
alight but these days I find that in the morning it is awake and ready
to accept my pin number. Now that is something. Initially it would
accept my local account password but one day it started instead
demanding my Microsoft Account password. About a year ago it told me
that it would make things easier for me by getting to use my pin
number. I don't really mind as long as any stranger who gets into my
computer doesn't know any of these things.

Now, I'm a Firefox man and don't want to have anything to do with
Edge. I certainly don't want to be greeted by it when I start up. I've
done all the usual things including startup, task scheduler, group
policies, except for the registry which I would rather leave alone.
I've used all of these functions to knock Edge on the head, but it
never stays knocked. My settings don't seem to have changed. The ghost
in the computer seems to be able to ignore all these things and turn
Edge back on or off whenever it feels like it. Right now its off.

The ghost also fiddles with Power Management. I want my computer to go
to sleep whenever I leave it alone for more than 15 minutes. After
half an hour I want it to shut down. I set the computer so that when
restarted the computer required a password. It used to do that without
any problems but one day it just stopped doing that. Everything
remained set according to the book but the computer had changed its
habits and I found nothing that would enable me to restore it to good
behaviour.

For a long time I have run my computer via a UPS but until recently I
had never installed the software which came with it. Finally,
curiosity got the better of me and I installed the software. I
expected just a few seconds of the installer running around my machine
and then the arrival of a new icon. The installer took nearly a minute
to do its job and appeared to exorcise the ghost in the process. I no
longer saw Edge and the machine went to sleep and shut down as
commanded.

About two weeks ago I awoke to find all the clocks in the house were
addled. There clearly had been a power failure during the night,
lasting nearly an hour. As per settings the UPS powered off the
computer after 5 minutes. Also, presumably as a result of EUFI BIOS
settings the computer did not start up when the UPS reconnected. Now,
whatever the sleeping computer was dreaming when it was so rudely
interrupted, it now no longer sleeps nor shuts down when required.

Since then, Edge has appeared and then disappeared on a number of
occasions. Disconcertingly, for the first time ever, I have seen the
American MegaTrends BIOS splash screen several times on stat up. Not
always, but sometimes.

Being somewhat ****ed off by this erratic and inconsistent behaviour
of my machine, I have gone on the trail of whoever might be playing
mischief in the night. I found that Microsoft has been paying me
nocturnal visitations and dropping off updates of various kinds.
That's the big stuff. More to the point, the event viewer shows that a
gentleman called DCOMM has been paying my machine a multitude of
regular visitations during the night. Many of these appear to have
failed of their purpose but it is apparent that a long period of time
my machine is haunted by a ghost from Redmond.

I would be surprised if I was the only person to receive nocturnal
visits but I am not aware of anyone reporting these strange changes in
machine behaviour. Is my experience unique?


Good reading :-D

I don't think you are the only one. Doesn't happen to me, I manually
power off or hibernate my machines, then switch off the mains in the UPS
or the power strip.

(of course, the real trick is that I rarely use Windows except for a few
hours, then back to Linux. My machines do not play tricks on me :-P ).

But seriously, yes, I heard of this. M$ tries to do the updates while
you are sleeping and thus have the machine ready for you in the morning.
The intended policy is to never power off the computers. Think: we never
power off our Android tablets or phones. Well, Microsoft wants to
achieve the same thing.


There is a feature in the Bios that you can program a startup of the
machine at a certain time. So what Windows does is go to sleep or power
up, programming this function in advance.



Me too. Mine is on an outlet strip, which I also power off at night

My customer's computers, I disable Fast Boot (Fast
Startup). When they are off, they are off. No
waking in the night to install updates.

And I do the vast majority of my work on my host
machine, which is Fedora. Windows is relegated to
VM's. And I SHUT UP 10 everything on Windows 10.
I only do manual upgrades when a new build hits.

On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 14:08:05 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Eric Stevens wrote:
My computer is haunted. Things happen in the night when I am not there
and the computer has been shut down (that is, the soft shut down which
now is the standard state with Windows 10). Usually I have to prod
the star button on the front of the panel to set the whole thing
alight but these days I find that in the morning it is awake and ready
to accept my pin number. Now that is something. Initially it would
accept my local account password but one day it started instead
demanding my Microsoft Account password. About a year ago it told me
that it would make things easier for me by getting to use my pin
number. I don't really mind as long as any stranger who gets into my
computer doesn't know any of these things.

Now, I'm a Firefox man and don't want to have anything to do with
Edge. I certainly don't want to be greeted by it when I start up. I've
done all the usual things including startup, task scheduler, group
policies, except for the registry which I would rather leave alone.
I've used all of these functions to knock Edge on the head, but it
never stays knocked. My settings don't seem to have changed. The ghost
in the computer seems to be able to ignore all these things and turn
Edge back on or off whenever it feels like it. Right now its off.

The ghost also fiddles with Power Management. I want my computer to go
to sleep whenever I leave it alone for more than 15 minutes. After
half an hour I want it to shut down. I set the computer so that when
restarted the computer required a password. It used to do that without
any problems but one day it just stopped doing that. Everything
remained set according to the book but the computer had changed its
habits and I found nothing that would enable me to restore it to good
behaviour.

For a long time I have run my computer via a UPS but until recently I
had never installed the software which came with it. Finally,
curiosity got the better of me and I installed the software. I
expected just a few seconds of the installer running around my machine
and then the arrival of a new icon. The installer took nearly a minute
to do its job and appeared to exorcise the ghost in the process. I no
longer saw Edge and the machine went to sleep and shut down as
commanded.

About two weeks ago I awoke to find all the clocks in the house were
addled. There clearly had been a power failure during the night,
lasting nearly an hour. As per settings the UPS powered off the
computer after 5 minutes. Also, presumably as a result of EUFI BIOS
settings the computer did not start up when the UPS reconnected. Now,
whatever the sleeping computer was dreaming when it was so rudely
interrupted, it now no longer sleeps nor shuts down when required.

Since then, Edge has appeared and then disappeared on a number of
occasions. Disconcertingly, for the first time ever, I have seen the
American MegaTrends BIOS splash screen several times on stat up. Not
always, but sometimes.

Being somewhat ****ed off by this erratic and inconsistent behaviour
of my machine, I have gone on the trail of whoever might be playing
mischief in the night. I found that Microsoft has been paying me
nocturnal visitations and dropping off updates of various kinds.
That's the big stuff. More to the point, the event viewer shows that a
gentleman called DCOMM has been paying my machine a multitude of
regular visitations during the night. Many of these appear to have
failed of their purpose but it is apparent that a long period of time
my machine is haunted by a ghost from Redmond.

I would be surprised if I was the only person to receive nocturnal
visits but I am not aware of anyone reporting these strange changes in
machine behaviour. Is my experience unique?

The machine being found in a running state in the
morning is not a complete surprise. I've had this
happen here.

This is part of Windows Update logic.

If the user refuses to reboot when asked, then the logic can
place an entry in Scheduled Tasks. It could reboot on you
when you weren't around.

The user may subsequently reboot manually, causing the Windows Update to
finish.

The mistake at this point is, the Scheduled Task entry does not
get cleared.

The machine wakes up at 4AM and says "anything to do?".
Since the Windows Update is flushed already, the answer is "No".

Now initially, like back in 15063, the machine lacked the
setting to notice it was idle and "go back to sleep". The
user would come along at 8AM and notice "hey, my computer
is running!",

A later improvement, results in the machine still waking
at 4AM, but it went back to sleep at 4:05AM.

The "hours of use" setting may play some part in what happens.

I turn the power off on the back of the computer, to keep
any scheduled tasks of that nature from doing stuff. I
can't do that if the machine is in S3 Sleep. I don't use
Hybrid Sleep (because: powercfg /h off).

Whhat gets me is that there appear to be control levers accessible to
Microsoft which completely bypass the user's settings.

--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

Eric Stevens wrote:


Whhat gets me is that there appear to be control levers accessible to
Microsoft which completely bypass the user's settings.


Turning on the computer at night, *is* a bit cheeky
on Microsofts part.

And turning off all AC to the computer, is dramatically effective.
And that's what I do with regularity. After Windows 10 has been
running, you can't be too careful.

Paul

rOn Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:10:07 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Eric Stevens wrote:


Whhat gets me is that there appear to be control levers accessible to
Microsoft which completely bypass the user's settings.


Turning on the computer at night, *is* a bit cheeky
on Microsofts part.

And turning off all AC to the computer, is dramatically effective.
And that's what I do with regularity. After Windows 10 has been
running, you can't be too careful.

I was really thinking of the way the shut down procedure/power
management keeps changing when all that I have done says that it
shouldn't. And there is the battle suppressing Edge on startup. Right
now, I don't see it.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 13/07/2020 07.10, Paul wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:


Whhat gets me is that there appear to be control levers accessible to
Microsoft which completely bypass the user's settings.


Turning on the computer at night, *is* a bit cheeky
on Microsofts part.

And turning off all AC to the computer, is dramatically effective.
And that's what I do with regularity. After Windows 10 has been
running, you can't be too careful.

One thing that scares me, is a laptop waking up inside a bag. At best,
the battery is wasted, at worst it overheats and catches fire.

Is this true, or is it an urban myth? Will Windows wake up automatically
while on battery?


When I hibernate a laptop to pack in the bag, I wait till the LED is
off. Sometimes it can fail and remain on.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 13/07/2020 07.10, Paul wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:

Whhat gets me is that there appear to be control levers accessible to
Microsoft which completely bypass the user's settings.

Turning on the computer at night, *is* a bit cheeky
on Microsofts part.

And turning off all AC to the computer, is dramatically effective.
And that's what I do with regularity. After Windows 10 has been
running, you can't be too careful.

One thing that scares me, is a laptop waking up inside a bag. At best,
the battery is wasted, at worst it overheats and catches fire.

That's indeed a risk I don't want to take either, so I do a Shut Down.

Is this true, or is it an urban myth? Will Windows wake up automatically
while on battery?

I don't know about on battery, but while plugged in, my previous
laptop did wake up from sleep during mysterious times, so I'm not taking
any risk, urban myth or not. (N.B. I was able to fix that problem after
a lot of troubleshooting. Probaby still have my detailed notes.)

When I hibernate a laptop to pack in the bag, I wait till the LED is
off. Sometimes it can fail and remain on.

I don't think Hibernate is much safer than Sleep, other than that
Hibernate only responds to the power button, while Sleep responds to any
key.

Anyway, thanks for the heads up. Something to remember for my upcoming
trip.

On 13/07/2020 17.39, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 13/07/2020 07.10, Paul wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:

Whhat gets me is that there appear to be control levers accessible to
Microsoft which completely bypass the user's settings.

Turning on the computer at night, *is* a bit cheeky
on Microsofts part.

And turning off all AC to the computer, is dramatically effective.
And that's what I do with regularity. After Windows 10 has been
running, you can't be too careful.

One thing that scares me, is a laptop waking up inside a bag. At best,
the battery is wasted, at worst it overheats and catches fire.

That's indeed a risk I don't want to take either, so I do a Shut Down.

Is this true, or is it an urban myth? Will Windows wake up automatically
while on battery?

I don't know about on battery, but while plugged in, my previous
laptop did wake up from sleep during mysterious times, so I'm not taking
any risk, urban myth or not. (N.B. I was able to fix that problem after
a lot of troubleshooting. Probaby still have my detailed notes.)

When I hibernate a laptop to pack in the bag, I wait till the LED is
off. Sometimes it can fail and remain on.

I don't think Hibernate is much safer than Sleep, other than that
Hibernate only responds to the power button, while Sleep responds to any
key.

Sorry, Linux slang. Hibernate means "suspend to disk" while suspend is
to ram; the ram remains powered, wake-up is instantaneous. There is also
an hybrid mode, that saves the image on disk then does suspend to ram.
If the battery runs out, the machine recovers from hard disk.

So yes, hibernate should only respond to the power button.



Anyway, thanks for the heads up. Something to remember for my upcoming
trip.

Welcome :-)


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Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 13/07/2020 17.39, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 13/07/2020 07.10, Paul wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:

Whhat gets me is that there appear to be control levers accessible to
Microsoft which completely bypass the user's settings.

Turning on the computer at night, *is* a bit cheeky
on Microsofts part.

And turning off all AC to the computer, is dramatically effective.
And that's what I do with regularity. After Windows 10 has been
running, you can't be too careful.

One thing that scares me, is a laptop waking up inside a bag. At best,
the battery is wasted, at worst it overheats and catches fire.

That's indeed a risk I don't want to take either, so I do a Shut Down.

Is this true, or is it an urban myth? Will Windows wake up automatically
while on battery?

I don't know about on battery, but while plugged in, my previous
laptop did wake up from sleep during mysterious times, so I'm not taking
any risk, urban myth or not. (N.B. I was able to fix that problem after
a lot of troubleshooting. Probaby still have my detailed notes.)

When I hibernate a laptop to pack in the bag, I wait till the LED is
off. Sometimes it can fail and remain on.

I don't think Hibernate is much safer than Sleep, other than that
Hibernate only responds to the power button, while Sleep responds to any
key.

Sorry, Linux slang. Hibernate means "suspend to disk" while suspend is
to ram; the ram remains powered, wake-up is instantaneous. There is also
an hybrid mode, that saves the image on disk then does suspend to ram.
If the battery runs out, the machine recovers from hard disk.

No worries. In Windows, Hibernate is the same as in Linix. And Linux
'suspend' is 'Sleep' in Windows. Windows' 'hybrid sleep' is the same as
Linux 'hybrid mode'.

So all in all not much difference, only small differences in names,
not in functionality.

So yes, hibernate should only respond to the power button.

Anyway, thanks for the heads up. Something to remember for my upcoming
trip.

Welcome :-)

Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 13/07/2020 17.39, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 13/07/2020 07.10, Paul wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:

Whhat gets me is that there appear to be control levers accessible to
Microsoft which completely bypass the user's settings.
Turning on the computer at night, *is* a bit cheeky
on Microsofts part.

And turning off all AC to the computer, is dramatically effective.
And that's what I do with regularity. After Windows 10 has been
running, you can't be too careful.
One thing that scares me, is a laptop waking up inside a bag. At best,
the battery is wasted, at worst it overheats and catches fire.
That's indeed a risk I don't want to take either, so I do a Shut Down.

Is this true, or is it an urban myth? Will Windows wake up automatically
while on battery?
I don't know about on battery, but while plugged in, my previous
laptop did wake up from sleep during mysterious times, so I'm not taking
any risk, urban myth or not. (N.B. I was able to fix that problem after
a lot of troubleshooting. Probaby still have my detailed notes.)

When I hibernate a laptop to pack in the bag, I wait till the LED is
off. Sometimes it can fail and remain on.
I don't think Hibernate is much safer than Sleep, other than that
Hibernate only responds to the power button, while Sleep responds to any
key.
Sorry, Linux slang. Hibernate means "suspend to disk" while suspend is
to ram; the ram remains powered, wake-up is instantaneous. There is also
an hybrid mode, that saves the image on disk then does suspend to ram.
If the battery runs out, the machine recovers from hard disk.

No worries. In Windows, Hibernate is the same as in Linix. And Linux
'suspend' is 'Sleep' in Windows. Windows' 'hybrid sleep' is the same as
Linux 'hybrid mode'.

So all in all not much difference, only small differences in names,
not in functionality.

There's a standard. There are several versions. It's about
500 pages of stuff - or more.

That's why they bear some resemblance to one another.

Paul

On 13/07/2020 23.06, Paul wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 13/07/2020 17.39, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 13/07/2020 07.10, Paul wrote:
Eric Stevens wrote:

Whhat gets me is that there appear to be control levers
accessible to
Microsoft which completely bypass the user's settings.
Turning on the computer at night, *is* a bit cheeky
on Microsofts part.

And turning off all AC to the computer, is dramatically effective.
And that's what I do with regularity. After Windows 10 has been
running, you can't be too careful.
One thing that scares me, is a laptop waking up inside a bag. At best,
the battery is wasted, at worst it overheats and catches fire.
Â*Â* That's indeed a risk I don't want to take either, so I do a Shut
Down.

Is this true, or is it an urban myth? Will Windows wake up
automatically
while on battery?
Â*Â* I don't know about on battery, but while plugged in, my previous
laptop did wake up from sleep during mysterious times, so I'm not
taking
any risk, urban myth or not. (N.B. I was able to fix that problem after
a lot of troubleshooting. Probaby still have my detailed notes.)

When I hibernate a laptop to pack in the bag, I wait till the LED is
off. Sometimes it can fail and remain on.
Â*Â* I don't think Hibernate is much safer than Sleep, other than that
Hibernate only responds to the power button, while Sleep responds to
any
key.
Sorry, Linux slang. Hibernate means "suspend to disk" while suspend
is to ram; the ram remains powered, wake-up is instantaneous. There
is also an hybrid mode, that saves the image on disk then does
suspend to ram. If the battery runs out, the machine recovers from
hard disk.

Â* No worries. In Windows, Hibernate is the same as in Linix. And Linux
'suspend' is 'Sleep' in Windows. Windows' 'hybrid sleep' is the same as
Linux 'hybrid mode'.

Â* So all in all not much difference, only small differences in names,
not in functionality.

There's a standard. There are several versions. It's about
500 pages of stuff - or more.

That's why they bear some resemblance to one another.

Yes. And there are power modes named such as 'S3', that have specific
meanings. But I never remember them.

https://onlinehelp.ncr.com/Retail/Workstations/7613/HTML/Topics/UserGuide/5.%20Power%20Management/3-ACPI%20Sleep%20States%20(S0%20-%20S5).htm


Better this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Configuration_and_Power_Interface


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Cheers, Carlos.