Why is turning on the computer so hard. Do you have a remedy?

The new installation of windows wanted my phone number, windows email
address, or skype id.

I dont' want to give it these things. Am I stuck?


It also wanted me to make a 4-digit pin. That is even worse. Far
worse.

I made the pin, then read how to delete it and I deleted it, and it
insisted I install another one next boot.

(To do that I had to ggive it my MS password, then have it email me a
code. If it didn't get the code quickly, and it didn't because MS was
slow, I had to start again, including with the MS password.
Unbelievable.)

For 35 years, I've been able to turn on the computer, leave the room and
when I come back, it's fully booted. Now I have to be there to make
the Pin field show up and then put in a pin, Is there a way out of
this?

I am so disgusted. I live alone and if I didn't I'd let my wife and
probably the kids log on anyhow. 20 or 30% of the population either
lives alone or has a private office. Why are they screwing with us?

On 2020-08-08 16:48, micky wrote:
The new installation of windows wanted my phone number, windows email
address, or skype id.

I dont' want to give it these things. Am I stuck?


It also wanted me to make a 4-digit pin. That is even worse. Far
worse.

I made the pin, then read how to delete it and I deleted it, and it
insisted I install another one next boot.

(To do that I had to ggive it my MS password, then have it email me a
code. If it didn't get the code quickly, and it didn't because MS was
slow, I had to start again, including with the MS password.
Unbelievable.)

For 35 years, I've been able to turn on the computer, leave the room and
when I come back, it's fully booted. Now I have to be there to make
the Pin field show up and then put in a pin, Is there a way out of
this?

I am so disgusted. I live alone and if I didn't I'd let my wife and
probably the kids log on anyhow. 20 or 30% of the population either
lives alone or has a private office. Why are they screwing with us?


Hi Micky,

When I do a new instillation of Windows 10, I do not
connect to the Internet until after I create the
user account.

I would recommend you go into setting and create a new
user and be careful to select an off line account
(small print at the bottom). Then delete the weird
account. I do this for my customers a lot.

If you don't give the new user a password, and it is
the only user account, it should bypass the log on
screen. If not, ping me and I will give you the
registry settings. If you give me the user name,
I will create a .reg for you.

-T

micky wrote:

The new installation of windows wanted my phone number, windows email
address, or skype id.

Just say No, Micky.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 8 Aug 2020 17:38:27 -0700, T
wrote:

On 2020-08-08 16:48, micky wrote:
The new installation of windows wanted my phone number, windows email
address, or skype id.

I dont' want to give it these things. Am I stuck?


It also wanted me to make a 4-digit pin. That is even worse. Far
worse.

I made the pin, then read how to delete it and I deleted it, and it
insisted I install another one next boot.

(To do that I had to ggive it my MS password, then have it email me a
code. If it didn't get the code quickly, and it didn't because MS was
slow, I had to start again, including with the MS password.
Unbelievable.)

For 35 years, I've been able to turn on the computer, leave the room and
when I come back, it's fully booted. Now I have to be there to make
the Pin field show up and then put in a pin, Is there a way out of
this?

I am so disgusted. I live alone and if I didn't I'd let my wife and
probably the kids log on anyhow. 20 or 30% of the population either
lives alone or has a private office. Why are they screwing with us?


Hi Micky,

When I do a new instillation of Windows 10, I do not
connect to the Internet until after I create the
user account.

Ah!

I would recommend you go into setting and create a new
user

I'll get it done, but worth saying that after running FFox for 4 hours,
trying to create a new user,, just in Settings**, crashed the computer.
I gotta buy another one.

**I hadn't unplugged the internet so I was giving it a phony phone
number. (That might not have been enough but I wanted to see and didn't
want to get up.) 301-555-1212 is already in use so I was going back
to choose a different area code and it crashed.

and be careful to select an off line account
(small print at the bottom). Then delete the weird
account. I do this for my customers a lot.

If you don't give the new user a password, and it is
the only user account, it should bypass the log on
screen.

I'm glad to hear it. I thought they had become security-crazy.

If not, ping me and I will give you the
registry settings. If you give me the user name,
I will create a .reg for you.

Thank you. There's a good chance I'll buy another computer and sort
of forget about this one, but OTOH, this one is sitting right in front
of me. If I stick with this, I have to work on the crashing so it will
be a while before I write you.

That I can fix it is enough to make me happy.

-T

On 2020-08-08 18:09, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 8 Aug 2020 17:38:27 -0700, T
wrote:

On 2020-08-08 16:48, micky wrote:
The new installation of windows wanted my phone number, windows email
address, or skype id.

I dont' want to give it these things. Am I stuck?


It also wanted me to make a 4-digit pin. That is even worse. Far
worse.

I made the pin, then read how to delete it and I deleted it, and it
insisted I install another one next boot.

(To do that I had to ggive it my MS password, then have it email me a
code. If it didn't get the code quickly, and it didn't because MS was
slow, I had to start again, including with the MS password.
Unbelievable.)

For 35 years, I've been able to turn on the computer, leave the room and
when I come back, it's fully booted. Now I have to be there to make
the Pin field show up and then put in a pin, Is there a way out of
this?

I am so disgusted. I live alone and if I didn't I'd let my wife and
probably the kids log on anyhow. 20 or 30% of the population either
lives alone or has a private office. Why are they screwing with us?


Hi Micky,

When I do a new instillation of Windows 10, I do not
connect to the Internet until after I create the
user account.

Ah!

I would recommend you go into setting and create a new
user

I'll get it done, but worth saying that after running FFox for 4 hours,
trying to create a new user,, just in Settings**, crashed the computer.
I gotta buy another one.

**I hadn't unplugged the internet so I was giving it a phony phone
number. (That might not have been enough but I wanted to see and didn't
want to get up.) 301-555-1212 is already in use so I was going back
to choose a different area code and it crashed.

and be careful to select an off line account
(small print at the bottom). Then delete the weird
account. I do this for my customers a lot.

If you don't give the new user a password, and it is
the only user account, it should bypass the log on
screen.

I'm glad to hear it. I thought they had become security-crazy.

If not, ping me and I will give you the
registry settings. If you give me the user name,
I will create a .reg for you.

Thank you. There's a good chance I'll buy another computer and sort
of forget about this one, but OTOH, this one is sitting right in front
of me. If I stick with this, I have to work on the crashing so it will
be a while before I write you.

That I can fix it is enough to make me happy.

-T




Hi Micky,

From what you describe, there is definitely a hardware issue.
Lenovo makes some reasonable quality desktops.

Don't forget to look at "ultra wide monitors". And
make sure you specify an NVMe drive that is twice the
size that you think you will ever use.

I go for Intel processors as AMD motherboards are
really cheap. Processor seems okay, but only if you
go for a decent quality after market motherboard.

:-)

-T

On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 21:09:28 -0400, micky wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 8 Aug 2020 17:38:27 -0700, T
wrote:

On 2020-08-08 16:48, micky wrote:
The new installation of windows wanted my phone number, windows email
address, or skype id.

I dont' want to give it these things. Am I stuck?


It also wanted me to make a 4-digit pin. That is even worse. Far
worse.

I made the pin, then read how to delete it and I deleted it, and it
insisted I install another one next boot.

(To do that I had to ggive it my MS password, then have it email me a
code. If it didn't get the code quickly, and it didn't because MS was
slow, I had to start again, including with the MS password.
Unbelievable.)

For 35 years, I've been able to turn on the computer, leave the room and
when I come back, it's fully booted. Now I have to be there to make
the Pin field show up and then put in a pin, Is there a way out of
this?

I am so disgusted. I live alone and if I didn't I'd let my wife and
probably the kids log on anyhow. 20 or 30% of the population either
lives alone or has a private office. Why are they screwing with us?


Hi Micky,

When I do a new instillation of Windows 10, I do not
connect to the Internet until after I create the
user account.

Ah!

I would recommend you go into setting and create a new
user

I'll get it done, but worth saying that after running FFox for 4 hours,
trying to create a new user,, just in Settings**, crashed the computer.
I gotta buy another one.

**I hadn't unplugged the internet so I was giving it a phony phone
number. (That might not have been enough but I wanted to see and didn't
want to get up.) 301-555-1212 is already in use so I was going back
to choose a different area code and it crashed.

555-1212 should be in use for every area code, no? Anyway, back in the day
all the cool kids used to use 867-5309. Ask for Jenny.


and be careful to select an off line account
(small print at the bottom). Then delete the weird
account. I do this for my customers a lot.

If you don't give the new user a password, and it is
the only user account, it should bypass the log on
screen.

I'm glad to hear it. I thought they had become security-crazy.

If not, ping me and I will give you the
registry settings. If you give me the user name,
I will create a .reg for you.

Thank you. There's a good chance I'll buy another computer and sort
of forget about this one, but OTOH, this one is sitting right in front
of me. If I stick with this, I have to work on the crashing so it will
be a while before I write you.

That I can fix it is enough to make me happy.

-T

micky wrote:

I dont' want to give it these things. Am I stuck?

No, but you have to make sure it doesn't have access to a functioning
internet connection during install ... e.g give it your password to wifi
then at the stage it wants a microsoft account turn off your router.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 08 Aug 2020 23:50:41 -0500, Char
Jackson wrote:


On 2020-08-08 16:48, micky wrote:
The new installation of windows wanted my phone number, windows email
address, or skype id.

I dont' want to give it these things. Am I stuck?


It also wanted me to make a 4-digit pin. That is even worse. Far
worse.

I made the pin, then read how to delete it and I deleted it, and it
insisted I install another one next boot.

(To do that I had to ggive it my MS password, then have it email me a
code. If it didn't get the code quickly, and it didn't because MS was
slow, I had to start again, including with the MS password.
Unbelievable.)

For 35 years, I've been able to turn on the computer, leave the room and
when I come back, it's fully booted. Now I have to be there to make
the Pin field show up and then put in a pin, Is there a way out of
this?

I am so disgusted. I live alone and if I didn't I'd let my wife and
probably the kids log on anyhow. 20 or 30% of the population either
lives alone or has a private office. Why are they screwing with us?


Hi Micky,

When I do a new instillation of Windows 10, I do not
connect to the Internet until after I create the
user account.

Ah!

I would recommend you go into setting and create a new
user

I'll get it done, but worth saying that after running FFox for 4 hours,
trying to create a new user,, just in Settings**, crashed the computer.
I gotta buy another one.

**I hadn't unplugged the internet so I was giving it a phony phone
number. (That might not have been enough but I wanted to see and didn't
want to get up.) 301-555-1212 is already in use so I was going back
to choose a different area code and it crashed.

555-1212 should be in use for every area code, no?

I thought it meant by a MS customer.

Anyway, back in the day
all the cool kids used to use 867-5309. Ask for Jenny.

I'll call but I hear even Loni Anderson is 75 years old.

micky wrote:
The new installation of windows wanted my phone number, windows email
address, or skype id.

I dont' want to give it these things. Am I stuck?


It also wanted me to make a 4-digit pin. That is even worse. Far
worse.

I made the pin, then read how to delete it and I deleted it, and it
insisted I install another one next boot.

(To do that I had to ggive it my MS password, then have it email me a
code. If it didn't get the code quickly, and it didn't because MS was
slow, I had to start again, including with the MS password.
Unbelievable.)

For 35 years, I've been able to turn on the computer, leave the room and
when I come back, it's fully booted. Now I have to be there to make
the Pin field show up and then put in a pin, Is there a way out of
this?

I am so disgusted. I live alone and if I didn't I'd let my wife and
probably the kids log on anyhow. 20 or 30% of the population either
lives alone or has a private office. Why are they screwing with us?

There seem to be reports of more aggressive behavior, for
situations where it looks like a new install to a computer
which has never had a Windows on it. Seems a bit more grouchy.

As has been mentioned multiple times in the thread, disconnecting
the network connection takes some of the steam out of the behavior.
However, I think I've seen one case here, where the little ****er
was willing to "wait forever" for the network cable to come back!
I was not able to make forward progress in that case, and just
abandoned the attempt (threw away install).

It's also possible we're seeing some A/B behaviors, where two people
having done identical things, receive different outcomes.

I'm not really keeping careful notes on the topic, because
it's "flush-a-bye" time if it gets insistent like that.

But in the past, removing the network cable seemed to be enough.
Subject to the latest twists and turns.

You should be able to do a new install without a network cable.
Or, you can let it "Check for something new at Microsoft", then
pull the network cable slightly later.

You also have the option of installing an older version, then
do an Upgrade Install, as a means to finding the button to
do a first setup the way you want it.

You're a Windows user, you must be used to this by now.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...SuccessKid.jpg

No, I won't be creating a PIN out of frustration, taking
Hello pictures of my face, mailing blood samples to the
Microsoft lab. Not gunna happen.

Paul

On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 01:26:46 -0400, micky wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 08 Aug 2020 23:50:41 -0500, Char
Jackson wrote:


On 2020-08-08 16:48, micky wrote:
The new installation of windows wanted my phone number, windows email
address, or skype id.

I dont' want to give it these things. Am I stuck?


It also wanted me to make a 4-digit pin. That is even worse. Far
worse.

I made the pin, then read how to delete it and I deleted it, and it
insisted I install another one next boot.

(To do that I had to ggive it my MS password, then have it email me a
code. If it didn't get the code quickly, and it didn't because MS was
slow, I had to start again, including with the MS password.
Unbelievable.)

For 35 years, I've been able to turn on the computer, leave the room and
when I come back, it's fully booted. Now I have to be there to make
the Pin field show up and then put in a pin, Is there a way out of
this?

I am so disgusted. I live alone and if I didn't I'd let my wife and
probably the kids log on anyhow. 20 or 30% of the population either
lives alone or has a private office. Why are they screwing with us?


Hi Micky,

When I do a new instillation of Windows 10, I do not
connect to the Internet until after I create the
user account.

Ah!

I would recommend you go into setting and create a new
user

I'll get it done, but worth saying that after running FFox for 4 hours,
trying to create a new user,, just in Settings**, crashed the computer.
I gotta buy another one.

**I hadn't unplugged the internet so I was giving it a phony phone
number. (That might not have been enough but I wanted to see and didn't
want to get up.) 301-555-1212 is already in use so I was going back
to choose a different area code and it crashed.

555-1212 should be in use for every area code, no?

I thought it meant by a MS customer.

No, it is/was directory assistance. Wikipedia says it's still operational
nationwide but I haven't used it since at least the 80's.

Anyway, back in the day
all the cool kids used to use 867-5309. Ask for Jenny.

I'll call but I hear even Loni Anderson is 75 years old.

You recognized the song reference, I assume.

In message , micky
writes
The new installation of windows wanted my phone number, windows email
address, or skype id.

I dont' want to give it these things. Am I stuck?


It also wanted me to make a 4-digit pin. That is even worse. Far
worse.

I made the pin, then read how to delete it and I deleted it, and it
insisted I install another one next boot.

(To do that I had to ggive it my MS password, then have it email me a
code. If it didn't get the code quickly, and it didn't because MS was
slow, I had to start again, including with the MS password.
Unbelievable.)

Yes, it's extremely tedious.


For 35 years, I've been able to turn on the computer, leave the room and
when I come back, it's fully booted. Now I have to be there to make
the Pin field show up and then put in a pin, Is there a way out of
this?

The good news is that you don't need to enter the PIN for the booting-up
process to carry on. Just leave the room as you always do, then when you
come back make the PIN field show up and enter your PIN, and it will
take you straight to the desk-top with everything fully booted.
(Assuming that you left the room for long enough.)


I am so disgusted. I live alone and if I didn't I'd let my wife and
probably the kids log on anyhow. 20 or 30% of the population either
lives alone or has a private office. Why are they screwing with us?

I agree that it's annoying. I too live alone. It should be the user's
choice how much security he or she wants, not Microsoft's.
--
John Hall

You can divide people into two categories:
those who divide people into two categories and those who don't

On 2020-08-09 2:26 a.m., John Hall wrote:
In message , micky
writes
The new installation of windows wanted my phone number, windows email
address, or skype id.

I dont' want to give it these things.Â* Am I stuck?


It also wanted me to make a 4-digit pin.Â* That is even worse.Â* Far
worse.

I made the pin, then read how to delete it and I deleted it, and it
insisted I install another one next boot.

(To do that I had to ggive it my MS password, then have it email me a
code.Â* If it didn't get the code quickly, and it didn't because MS was
slow, I had to start again, including with the MS password.
Unbelievable.)

Yes, it's extremely tedious.


For 35 years, I've been able to turn on the computer, leave the room and
when I come back, it's fully booted.Â*Â* Now I have to be there to make
the Pin field showÂ* up and then put in a pin,Â* Is there a way out of
this?

The good news is that you don't need to enter the PIN for the booting-up
process to carry on. Just leave the room as you always do, then when you
come back make the PIN field show up and enter your PIN, and it will
take you straight to the desk-top with everything fully booted.
(Assuming that you left the room for long enough.)


I am so disgusted.Â*Â* I live alone and if I didn't I'd let my wife and
probably the kids log on anyhow.Â*Â* 20 or 30% of the population either
lives alone or has a private office.Â* Why are they screwing with us?

I agree that it's annoying. I too live alone. It should be the user's
choice how much security he or she wants, not Microsoft's.

I use netplwiz.exe and never have any log in requirements, just hit the
on button and go. :-)

Rene

On 09/08/2020 08.17, Paul wrote:
micky wrote:
The new installation of windows wanted my phone number, windows email
address, or skype id.
I dont' want to give it these things.Â* Am I stuck?


It also wanted me to make a 4-digit pin.Â* That is even worse.Â* Far
worse.
I made the pin, then read how to delete it and I deleted it, and it
insisted I install another one next boot.
(To do that I had to ggive it my MS password, then have it email me a
code.Â* If it didn't get the code quickly, and it didn't because MS was
slow, I had to start again, including with the MS password.
Unbelievable.)
For 35 years, I've been able to turn on the computer, leave the room and
when I come back, it's fully booted.Â*Â* Now I have to be there to make
the Pin field showÂ* up and then put in a pin,Â* Is there a way out of
this?
I am so disgusted.Â*Â* I live alone and if I didn't I'd let my wife and
probably the kids log on anyhow.Â*Â* 20 or 30% of the population either
lives alone or has a private office.Â* Why are they screwing with us?

There seem to be reports of more aggressive behavior, for
situations where it looks like a new install to a computer
which has never had a Windows on it. Seems a bit more grouchy.

As has been mentioned multiple times in the thread, disconnecting
the network connection takes some of the steam out of the behavior.
However, I think I've seen one case here, where the little ****er
was willing to "wait forever" for the network cable to come back!
I was not able to make forward progress in that case, and just
abandoned the attempt (threw away install).

Is it possible to boot the computer without an internet connection at
all and create the login?


No, I won't be creating a PIN out of frustration, taking
Hello pictures of my face, mailing blood samples to the
Microsoft lab. Not gunna happen.

What's that pin for? Is it instead of a full password?

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 8/8/2020 11:59 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 01:26:46 -0400, micky wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 08 Aug 2020 23:50:41 -0500, Char
Jackson wrote:


On 2020-08-08 16:48, micky wrote:
The new installation of windows wanted my phone number, windows email
address, or skype id.

I dont' want to give it these things. Am I stuck?


It also wanted me to make a 4-digit pin. That is even worse. Far
worse.

I made the pin, then read how to delete it and I deleted it, and it
insisted I install another one next boot.

(To do that I had to ggive it my MS password, then have it email me a
code. If it didn't get the code quickly, and it didn't because MS was
slow, I had to start again, including with the MS password.
Unbelievable.)

For 35 years, I've been able to turn on the computer, leave the room and
when I come back, it's fully booted. Now I have to be there to make
the Pin field show up and then put in a pin, Is there a way out of
this?

I am so disgusted. I live alone and if I didn't I'd let my wife and
probably the kids log on anyhow. 20 or 30% of the population either
lives alone or has a private office. Why are they screwing with us?


Hi Micky,

When I do a new instillation of Windows 10, I do not
connect to the Internet until after I create the
user account.

Ah!

I would recommend you go into setting and create a new
user

I'll get it done, but worth saying that after running FFox for 4 hours,
trying to create a new user,, just in Settings**, crashed the computer.
I gotta buy another one.

**I hadn't unplugged the internet so I was giving it a phony phone
number. (That might not have been enough but I wanted to see and didn't
want to get up.) 301-555-1212 is already in use so I was going back
to choose a different area code and it crashed.

555-1212 should be in use for every area code, no?

I thought it meant by a MS customer.

No, it is/was directory assistance. Wikipedia says it's still operational
nationwide but I haven't used it since at least the 80's.


It hasn't been that long since I last used it, but it's been a very long
time (so long that I had almost forgotten what 555-1212 was). I find it
much easier to do a goggle search.



--
Ken

On 8/8/2020 4:48 PM, micky wrote:

For 35 years, I've been able to turn on the computer, leave the room and
when I come back, it's fully booted. Now I have to be there to make
the Pin field show up and then put in a pin, Is there a way out of
this?


Yes. That's exactly what I still do. The PIN is entered automatically.

See
https://superuser.com/questions/1054...ws-10-with-pin


--
Ken