Can YOU answer a question I've posed?

On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 13:02:33 +0200, "R.Wieser"
wrote:

David,

Search for the MID yourself?

Why ? Why haven't you just mentioned the newsgroup and subject (possibly
post date too). Why this "you must put effort into finding what I want to
show/tell you" game ?

Because it's David Brooks and this is what he does. It's best to avoid him.


And thats apart from the problem that Usenet doesn't support such
searching - you need to use a specific tools or website to be able to do
that, which not everyone has or knows about.

Usenet does support MID searches. In my ancient copy of Agent 2.0, I just
double click a MID and it opens immediately in a new window. Obviously,
direct message retrieval via MID is available on the servers, so it comes
down to whether your client knows what to do when it encounters that MID.
OE6 probably doesn't have that capability.

snip

On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 13:02:33 +0200, R.Wieser wrote:

And thats apart from the problem that Usenet doesn't support such
searching - you need to use a specific tools or website to be able to do
that, which not everyone has or knows about.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 10:11:03 +0200, Sjouke Burry wrote:
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159764770000

1. http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159764770000
Message-ID:

2. https://tinyurl.com/alt-computer-workshop
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.computer.workshop

3. o Apple software uninstall, by David_B
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.computer.workshop/FsHZYzs6454

See also:
http://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com
http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10
http://www.pcbanter.net/forumdisplay.php?f=52
--
Usenet is eminantly searchable by a variety of no-login search engines.

On 17/08/2020 12:02, R.Wieser wrote:

I found the message, and must say it sorely lacks info. You've given no
description of the purpose of those folders, nor what (kind of) files are in
it. You mention 'tick extra boxes', but are not telling us what those are
for. You did not even mention/which/ VPN product you where/are using.

I have no idea what ANY of the item listed are/do.

Heck, it almost as if you/do not want/ to have us figure out what the
answer to your question is ...

I doubt many folk are aware of Keep Solid VPN

Also, what you say sounds like you *can* uninstall everything by ticking
those extra boxes, but are now making a fuss about that it doesn't
completely remove itself when you do not tick them. Are you serious ?

I *am* serious. I have no idea why the AppCleaner facility doesn't have
ALL boxes ticked when it provides me with the result of its scan.

When I ran it to remove all traces of the VPN I *DID* tick ALL of the boxes.

David,

I found the message, and must say it sorely lacks info. You've given
no description of the purpose of those folders,
.....
I have no idea what ANY of the item listed are/do.

And ? How does that stop you from /at least/ providing some of the names ?
They might not mean anything to you, but might to us. Ever thought about
that ?

nor what (kind of) files are in it.

You have not tried to answer that.

You mention 'tick extra boxes', but are not telling us what those are
for.

And neither have you tried to answer this.

You did not even mention/which/ VPN product you where/are using.
.....
I doubt many folk are aware of Keep Solid VPN

You are a full-blown idiot. Full stop.

#1: Not naming it means that you rob yourself of the chance that someone
might recognise it.

#2: Someone might even be using it, and thus be able to answer from
experience. You robbed yourself of that chance too.

#3: Some kind soul could think of throwing that name into Google to see if
he could find something helpfull. You robbed yourself of that too.

I have no idea why the AppCleaner facility doesn't have
ALL boxes ticked when it provides me with the result of its scan.

I don't even think you realise that *this is the first time* that you've
mentioned using a third-party product to do the cleanup. And no, you
didn't say anything about that in "alt.computer.workshop" either.


But thats odd actually : You seem to be thinking that AppCleaner could
purposely be leaving folders with "spies within" contents behind when both
the folders and those contents *have been created by a fully different,
absolutily unrelated program*.

I know what paranoia is, but you are definitily putting it on the next level
....

When I ran it to remove all traces of the VPN I *DID* tick ALL of the
boxes.

Yeah, I know. You already said that (indirectly) in the
"alt.computer.workshop" newsgroup ("unless I 'tick extra boxes' ").

So, the bottom line is that you simply do not understand why AppCleaner
doesn't do a "deep-clean" by default, and are thus now suspecting it of foul
play. Thats quite a conclusion. Can't you think of /any/ reason to why
it would not default to deep-clean ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

P.s.
Kiddo, I would suggest you read up about how to ask a good question. And
that most definitily includes imagining yourself in the shoes of the reader.
Maybe than you will realise how little info you are providing, resulting in
making it /absolutily impossible/ to answer your question - other than
making some vague, generic guesses to what might be going on.

Chronic nym-shifting deranged troll...

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TIA

Char,

Usenet does support MID searches.

Do you perhaps have any hints to how that might work (involved NNTP
commands) ? I would not mind at all being able to write something for it
myself.

OE6 probably doesn't have that capability.

:-) Not that I, in all the time using it, have been able to find.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

On 18 Aug 2020, R.Wieser wrote
(in article ):

David,

I found the message, and must say it sorely lacks info. You've given
no description of the purpose of those folders,
....
I have no idea what ANY of the item listed are/do.

And ? How does that stop you from /at least/ providing some of the names ?
They might not mean anything to you, but might to us. Ever thought about
that ?

he doesn’t think. He can’t, not with only one functioning neuron, and
that one pathetic remnant severely damaged by decades of alcohol abuse.



nor what (kind of) files are in it.

You have not tried to answer that.

he never does



You mention 'tick extra boxes', but are not telling us what those are
for.

And neither have you tried to answer this.

of course not. that would be sensible. he’s never sensible.


You did not even mention/which/ VPN product you where/are using.
....
I doubt many folk are aware of Keep Solid VPN

You are a full-blown idiot. Full stop.

yep. There was a time when I tried to help him... a time before I realised
that he was a paranoiac, drunk out of his mind, trolling stalker. I have
since stopped helping his brain-damaged ass.


#1: Not naming it means that you rob yourself of the chance that someone
might recognise it.

#2: Someone might even be using it, and thus be able to answer from
experience. You robbed yourself of that chance too.

#3: Some kind soul could think of throwing that name into Google to see if
he could find something helpfull. You robbed yourself of that too.

He doesn’t want answers, he wants confirmation of his paranoia.


I have no idea why the AppCleaner facility doesn't have
ALL boxes ticked when it provides me with the result of its scan.

I don't even think you realise that *this is the first time* that you've
mentioned using a third-party product to do the cleanup. And no, you
didn't say anything about that in "alt.computer.workshop" either.

But thats odd actually : You seem to be thinking that AppCleaner could
purposely be leaving folders with "spies within" contents behind when both
the folders and those contents *have been created by a fully different,
absolutily unrelated program*.

Wait ’til you see what he thinks other utilities, such as EtreCheck and
ClamXAV, do. Hint: invisible, untraceable, keyloggers which use no disk
space, use no CPU cycles, use no RAM, and can connect to the Internet without
being detected by firewalls or, indeed, anything else. Yes, he’s that
insane.

He also thought, until he got laughed at, that x.x.x.x is a valid IP address.
Yes, really. He tried to say that he was only joking. No-one believed it.


I know what paranoia is, but you are definitily putting it on the next level

you have not yet _begun_ to see paranoia.

...

When I ran it to remove all traces of the VPN I *DID* tick ALL of the
boxes.

Yeah, I know. You already said that (indirectly) in the
"alt.computer.workshop" newsgroup ("unless I 'tick extra boxes' ").

So, the bottom line is that you simply do not understand

he doesn’t understand much of anything.

why AppCleaner
doesn't do a "deep-clean" by default, and are thus now suspecting it of foul
play. Thats quite a conclusion. Can't you think of /any/ reason to why
it would not default to deep-clean ?

That would involve thought. He is simply incapable of doing that.


Regards,
Rudy Wieser

P.s.
Kiddo, I would suggest you read up about how to ask a good question. And
that most definitily includes imagining yourself in the shoes of the reader.
Maybe than you will realise how little info you are providing, resulting in
making it /absolutily impossible/ to answer your question - other than
making some vague, generic guesses to what might be going on.

he’ll never do that.

Wolffan,

He doesn't want answers, he wants confirmation of his paranoia.

In that case ....

@ David_B :

Yes, what you say is possible. Its even possible that it /doesn't/ happen
by accident, and that AppCleaner is activily involved in it.


Not likely though - for quite a number of reasons (feel free to ask for
them).

And try using Occam's Razor : If/when you have a two explanations with one
being complex and the other straight forward than its quite likely that the
straight forward explanation is the most likely one.

But ... To be able to use the above razor you will need to allow yourself to
look at something from multiple directions. Can you ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

If/when you have a two explanations with one being complex and the other
straight forward than its quite likely that the straight forward
explanation is the most likely one.

Mistake (not the best way to put it) : Replace "the most likely one" (at the
end) with "what actually happens".

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:57:25 +0200, "R.Wieser"
wrote:

Char,

Usenet does support MID searches.

Do you perhaps have any hints to how that might work (involved NNTP
commands) ? I would not mind at all being able to write something for it
myself.

OK, sorry this took a while. Work got in the way, plus I thought I must be
doing something wrong because it worked on the first try. A packet capture
helped, as well.

With an open connection to your newsserver, select a group*, then issue the
command "article MID". Include the angle brackets. You should get one of
two responses: "430 No Such Article" if it doesn't exist, or you'll simply
retrieve the article if it does exist.

*Selecting a group seemed to be required in my case, but examples I found
on the web didn't mention it.

Here are my steps. Customize things to fit your situation. After each
command, the server replies with its current status. I'm not including the
server responses here, for brevity. Plus, yours will be different.


telnet news.newshosting.com 119
AUTHINFO USER (myusername)
AUTHINFO PASS (mypassword)
group alt.comp.os.windows-10
article
quit

With that info, it should be trivial to script a MID lookup tool. BTW, the
MID that I retrieved above belongs to your post that I'm replying to right
now.

Let me know how you get on.

Char,

OK, sorry this took a while. Work got in the way,

[Fullblown"'bad customer" mode]
You took /two/ days to get that done ? Thats unacceptable! Get me you
manager. Now!!

(reference: https://notalwaysright.com/ )

Ehhhh... No. Thats /not/ the way I want to behave. :-(

plus I thought I must be doing something wrong because it
worked on the first try. A packet capture helped, as well.

And you also spend some time to figure out what the answer to my question
was ?

The only thing I should be saying is "thank you". So, thank you. :-)

With an open connection to your newsserver, select a group*, then issue
the command "article MID".

I think I've seen that mentioned somewhere. Isn't that the standard way to
retrieve a message from within a newsgroup ?

*Selecting a group seemed to be required in my case,

Thats my problem : Somehow I can't imagine that the procedure is to connect
to an NNTP server, and than having to check /every newsgroup/ for that MID.

but examples I found on the web didn't mention it.

Do you still have the links to those examples ? I could surely use them.
The times I googled for it I was not able to find /anything/ about how to do
it - though to be honest I was looking for the more straight-forward one way
to do it.

Here are my steps. Customize things to fit your situation.

Thanks. Yeah, those steps look familiar to me (have done some NNTP stuff
myself :-)


Let me know how you get on.

Well, I just threw /another/ google at it (for good measure), and got a
result which mentioned connecting to the server, and than simpy throwing
"head ...." at it.

http://www.usenetexplorer.com/forum/...c.php?f=1&t=16

I might have found that one before, but probably discarded it as its a "it
could/should work this way" - having the same problem I have.

This time I thought "what the heck, I've got nothing to lose" and just tried
it. I connected to the NNTP server, waited for the "welcome" message to
come in and than fired off a "article ...." line (no authentication,
nothing).

And what-do-you-know, I got the message back !

So, there actually *is* a simpler way than to have to iterate thru every
newsgroup. :-)

Though it would have made my (your?) life a bit easier if that info would be
available somewhere (I did check, previously and again now, the 850 and 977
RFCs, but did not see anything about it).

Thanks again for your help & efforts, and I hope my discovery (of sorts) is
of value for you too.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

On 19/08/2020 22.35, R.Wieser wrote:
Char,

OK, sorry this took a while. Work got in the way,

[Fullblown"'bad customer" mode]
You took /two/ days to get that done ? Thats unacceptable! Get me you
manager. Now!!

(reference: https://notalwaysright.com/ )

Ehhhh... No. Thats /not/ the way I want to behave. :-(

plus I thought I must be doing something wrong because it
worked on the first try. A packet capture helped, as well.

And you also spend some time to figure out what the answer to my question
was ?

The only thing I should be saying is "thank you". So, thank you. :-)

Yep. It is interesting to know that :-)


With an open connection to your newsserver, select a group*, then issue
the command "article MID".

I think I've seen that mentioned somewhere. Isn't that the standard way to
retrieve a message from within a newsgroup ?

*Selecting a group seemed to be required in my case,

Thats my problem : Somehow I can't imagine that the procedure is to connect
to an NNTP server, and than having to check /every newsgroup/ for that MID.

but examples I found on the web didn't mention it.

Do you still have the links to those examples ? I could surely use them.
The times I googled for it I was not able to find /anything/ about how to do
it - though to be honest I was looking for the more straight-forward one way
to do it.

Here are my steps. Customize things to fit your situation.

Thanks. Yeah, those steps look familiar to me (have done some NNTP stuff
myself :-)


Let me know how you get on.

Well, I just threw /another/ google at it (for good measure), and got a
result which mentioned connecting to the server, and than simpy throwing
"head ...." at it.

http://www.usenetexplorer.com/forum/...c.php?f=1&t=16

I might have found that one before, but probably discarded it as its a "it
could/should work this way" - having the same problem I have.

This time I thought "what the heck, I've got nothing to lose" and just tried
it. I connected to the NNTP server, waited for the "welcome" message to
come in and than fired off a "article ...." line (no authentication,
nothing).

And what-do-you-know, I got the message back !

So, there actually *is* a simpler way than to have to iterate thru every
newsgroup. :-)

Thunderbird, main window.

Go to Edit, Find, Search messages.

Select "message-id" "contains" and the msg-id itself. You can select run
on server or locally. On top of the window, there is a group selector,
where you can select the root of them all and it will search on all
(dunno if really all, or those subscribed).

If I search the one wanted by the OP, I don't find it - because I use a
proxy nntp server (leafnode), and that particular group is not downloaded.


Though it would have made my (your?) life a bit easier if that info would be
available somewhere (I did check, previously and again now, the 850 and 977
RFCs, but did not see anything about it).

Thanks again for your help & efforts, and I hope my discovery (of sorts) is
of value for you too.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser




--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 19/08/2020 21:35, R.Wieser wrote:
Char,

OK, sorry this took a while. Work got in the way,

[Fullblown"'bad customer" mode]
You took /two/ days to get that done ? Thats unacceptable! Get me you
manager. Now!!

(reference: https://notalwaysright.com/ )

Ehhhh... No. Thats /not/ the way I want to behave. :-(

plus I thought I must be doing something wrong because it
worked on the first try. A packet capture helped, as well.

And you also spend some time to figure out what the answer to my question
was ?

The only thing I should be saying is "thank you". So, thank you. :-)

With an open connection to your newsserver, select a group*, then issue
the command "article MID".

I think I've seen that mentioned somewhere. Isn't that the standard way to
retrieve a message from within a newsgroup ?

*Selecting a group seemed to be required in my case,

Thats my problem : Somehow I can't imagine that the procedure is to connect
to an NNTP server, and than having to check /every newsgroup/ for that MID.

but examples I found on the web didn't mention it.

Do you still have the links to those examples ? I could surely use them.
The times I googled for it I was not able to find /anything/ about how to do
it - though to be honest I was looking for the more straight-forward one way
to do it.

Here are my steps. Customize things to fit your situation.

Thanks. Yeah, those steps look familiar to me (have done some NNTP stuff
myself :-)


Let me know how you get on.

Well, I just threw /another/ google at it (for good measure), and got a
result which mentioned connecting to the server, and than simpy throwing
"head ...." at it.

http://www.usenetexplorer.com/forum/...c.php?f=1&t=16

I might have found that one before, but probably discarded it as its a "it
could/should work this way" - having the same problem I have.

This time I thought "what the heck, I've got nothing to lose" and just tried
it. I connected to the NNTP server, waited for the "welcome" message to
come in and than fired off a "article ...." line (no authentication,
nothing).

And what-do-you-know, I got the message back !

So, there actually *is* a simpler way than to have to iterate thru every
newsgroup. :-)

Though it would have made my (your?) life a bit easier if that info would be
available somewhere (I did check, previously and again now, the 850 and 977
RFCs, but did not see anything about it).

Thanks again for your help & efforts, and I hope my discovery (of sorts) is
of value for you too.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

Rudy,

Do, please, read he http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159787430500

I hope it helps you better understand.

'Twas nice to meet you. :-)

--
Kind regards,
David B.

On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:35:17 +0200, "R.Wieser"
wrote:

Char,

OK, sorry this took a while. Work got in the way,

[Fullblown"'bad customer" mode]
You took /two/ days to get that done ? Thats unacceptable! Get me you
manager. Now!!

(reference: https://notalwaysright.com/ )

Ehhhh... No. Thats /not/ the way I want to behave. :-(

plus I thought I must be doing something wrong because it
worked on the first try. A packet capture helped, as well.

And you also spend some time to figure out what the answer to my question
was ?

The only thing I should be saying is "thank you". So, thank you. :-)

With an open connection to your newsserver, select a group*, then issue
the command "article MID".

I think I've seen that mentioned somewhere. Isn't that the standard way to
retrieve a message from within a newsgroup ?

*Selecting a group seemed to be required in my case,

Thats my problem : Somehow I can't imagine that the procedure is to connect
to an NNTP server, and than having to check /every newsgroup/ for that MID.

but examples I found on the web didn't mention it.

Do you still have the links to those examples ? I could surely use them.
The times I googled for it I was not able to find /anything/ about how to do
it - though to be honest I was looking for the more straight-forward one way
to do it.

Here are my steps. Customize things to fit your situation.

Thanks. Yeah, those steps look familiar to me (have done some NNTP stuff
myself :-)


Let me know how you get on.

Well, I just threw /another/ google at it (for good measure), and got a
result which mentioned connecting to the server, and than simpy throwing
"head ...." at it.

http://www.usenetexplorer.com/forum/...c.php?f=1&t=16

I might have found that one before, but probably discarded it as its a "it
could/should work this way" - having the same problem I have.

This time I thought "what the heck, I've got nothing to lose" and just tried
it. I connected to the NNTP server, waited for the "welcome" message to
come in and than fired off a "article ...." line (no authentication,
nothing).

And what-do-you-know, I got the message back !

So, there actually *is* a simpler way than to have to iterate thru every
newsgroup. :-)

Though it would have made my (your?) life a bit easier if that info would be
available somewhere (I did check, previously and again now, the 850 and 977
RFCs, but did not see anything about it).

Thanks again for your help & efforts, and I hope my discovery (of sorts) is
of value for you too.

Good stuff. Thanks for adding to the collective knowledge. I'm still going
to use Agent for my lookups. :-)

On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:58:24 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
wrote:

On 19/08/2020 22.35, R.Wieser wrote:
Char,

OK, sorry this took a while. Work got in the way,

[Fullblown"'bad customer" mode]
You took /two/ days to get that done ? Thats unacceptable! Get me you
manager. Now!!

(reference: https://notalwaysright.com/ )

Ehhhh... No. Thats /not/ the way I want to behave. :-(

plus I thought I must be doing something wrong because it
worked on the first try. A packet capture helped, as well.

And you also spend some time to figure out what the answer to my question
was ?

The only thing I should be saying is "thank you". So, thank you. :-)

Yep. It is interesting to know that :-)


With an open connection to your newsserver, select a group*, then issue
the command "article MID".

I think I've seen that mentioned somewhere. Isn't that the standard way to
retrieve a message from within a newsgroup ?

*Selecting a group seemed to be required in my case,

Thats my problem : Somehow I can't imagine that the procedure is to connect
to an NNTP server, and than having to check /every newsgroup/ for that MID.

but examples I found on the web didn't mention it.

Do you still have the links to those examples ? I could surely use them.
The times I googled for it I was not able to find /anything/ about how to do
it - though to be honest I was looking for the more straight-forward one way
to do it.

Here are my steps. Customize things to fit your situation.

Thanks. Yeah, those steps look familiar to me (have done some NNTP stuff
myself :-)


Let me know how you get on.

Well, I just threw /another/ google at it (for good measure), and got a
result which mentioned connecting to the server, and than simpy throwing
"head ...." at it.

http://www.usenetexplorer.com/forum/...c.php?f=1&t=16

I might have found that one before, but probably discarded it as its a "it
could/should work this way" - having the same problem I have.

This time I thought "what the heck, I've got nothing to lose" and just tried
it. I connected to the NNTP server, waited for the "welcome" message to
come in and than fired off a "article ...." line (no authentication,
nothing).

And what-do-you-know, I got the message back !

So, there actually *is* a simpler way than to have to iterate thru every
newsgroup. :-)

Thunderbird, main window.

Go to Edit, Find, Search messages.

Select "message-id" "contains" and the msg-id itself. You can select run
on server or locally. On top of the window, there is a group selector,
where you can select the root of them all and it will search on all
(dunno if really all, or those subscribed).

That's interesting because a few weeks or a month ago I was told that
Thunderbird doesn't know how to look up a message by its MID so it's good
to know that it can.


If I search the one wanted by the OP, I don't find it - because I use a
proxy nntp server (leafnode), and that particular group is not downloaded.


Though it would have made my (your?) life a bit easier if that info would be
available somewhere (I did check, previously and again now, the 850 and 977
RFCs, but did not see anything about it).

Thanks again for your help & efforts, and I hope my discovery (of sorts) is
of value for you too.