Windows 8.1 user accounts, you have GOT to be kidding.

On 09/24/2014 11:50 AM, Joe User wrote:
On 24/09/14 15:17, Caver1 wrote:
On 09/23/2014 01:39 PM, Joe User wrote:
On 23/09/14 18:02, Caver1 wrote:
On 09/22/2014 02:54 PM, Joe User wrote:
On 22/09/14 19:33, Caver1 wrote:
On 09/22/2014 12:51 PM, felmon wrote:
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:19:46 +0100, Joe User wrote:

oh jeez, are you still droning on about this snip

You can create a user that runs as root permanently but that is not
recommended. That can only be done after installation not during.

I'm sorry but this is simply incorrect. All of the distros that I am
familiar with create a root account on installation. No password is
assigned thus preventing anyone logging in as root.

I think this is a wind up, did you actually read what you wrote before
you posted it?

Redhat asks for a root password upon installation, you cannot go further
without setting the root password.

Because it is setting up a root account.

Then you set up a regular user
who uses the su command using the root password to elevate to root.

su stands for switch user, if there is no root account there would be
nothing to switch to would there, look, there's even a home directory.

[fool@windup ~]$ su
Password
root@windup:/home/fool# cd
root@windup:~# pwd
/root
root@windup:~#

read the man pages for su and sudo, you're still confused.

I really can't be bothered with the rest it's like talking to a brick wall




This is a quote from you in which I was replying;

"Not so, several Linux based distributions I have experience of have a
default root account with no password."

Notice the "without password"
Bye

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On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 18:55:38 +0100, Joe User wrote:

On 23/09/14 18:47, steve wrote:
On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 18:42:11 +0100, Joe User wrote:

On 23/09/14 18:25, steve wrote:
On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:10:40 +0100, Joe User wrote:

snip

Bugger off Lindroid troll

Ha ha, very funny.
Do you know DanC?

No I don't know him..I've seen his posts of course. I must say he is
interesting. At least I didn't call you a drooling stooge.
Now bugger off noob

Never going to happen fanboi.

Ok fine stay..but can you ask dan c how he likes his new
cortana..please lipska

Joe User wrote:
On 23/09/14 21:34, . . .winston wrote:

What you've effectively done and sad to say is that you've used a
charitable organization's grant of '4 spanky new computers running
Windows 8.1' as a soapbox for your 'Look what I found'.

You really do have a vivid imagination don't you.



Don't need to imagine anything...the soapbox is quite obvious.


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msft mvp consumer apps

On 25/09/14 08:41, . . .winston wrote:
Joe User wrote:
On 23/09/14 21:34, . . .winston wrote:

What you've effectively done and sad to say is that you've used a
charitable organization's grant of '4 spanky new computers running
Windows 8.1' as a soapbox for your 'Look what I found'.

You really do have a vivid imagination don't you.



Don't need to imagine anything...the soapbox is quite obvious.

OK, let's cut the crap.

This has nothing to do with soapboxes or Linux advocacy.

The issue is quite clear.

If you read the newspapers, use a computer, or watch the news on the TV
or some other device and you are aware of the current concerns around
surveillance and the general security of electronic communications, then
you should be questioning the inclusion of a default, hidden,
unprotected Administrators account on *any* platform.

If you are not concerned, or you accept the default explanation that the
inclusion of a default, hidden, unprotected Administrators account in
Windows 8.1 is *only* a benign 'disaster recovery feature' then,
unfortunately you are part of the problem and any 'opinion' you express
has to be taken in this context.

If you still don't understand the real issue then either you have been
brainwashed or you have some other more sinister agenda. Either way,
sooner or later the **** will hit the fan and this will play out 'in
theater' ... and no, I'm not wearing a tin hat.


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Joe User wrote:
On 25/09/14 08:41, . . .winston wrote:
Joe User wrote:
On 23/09/14 21:34, . . .winston wrote:

What you've effectively done and sad to say is that you've used a
charitable organization's grant of '4 spanky new computers running
Windows 8.1' as a soapbox for your 'Look what I found'.

You really do have a vivid imagination don't you.



Don't need to imagine anything...the soapbox is quite obvious.

OK, let's cut the crap.

This has nothing to do with soapboxes or Linux advocacy.

The issue is quite clear.

If you read the newspapers, use a computer, or watch the news on the TV
or some other device and you are aware of the current concerns around
surveillance and the general security of electronic communications, then
you should be questioning the inclusion of a default, hidden,
unprotected Administrators account on *any* platform.

If you are not concerned, or you accept the default explanation that the
inclusion of a default, hidden, unprotected Administrators account in
Windows 8.1 is *only* a benign 'disaster recovery feature' then,
unfortunately you are part of the problem and any 'opinion' you express
has to be taken in this context.

If you still don't understand the real issue then either you have been
brainwashed or you have some other more sinister agenda. Either way,
sooner or later the **** will hit the fan and this will play out 'in
theater' ... and no, I'm not wearing a tin hat.


When it does it the fan...do let us know.

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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 12:29:47 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

When it does it the fan...do let us know.

I've been trying to follow the debate (though this thread unfortunately
is declining to an insult-fest) and I'm not sure if you are agreeing that
saying this 'hidden' account is a security hazard or if you disagree. if
I follow the thread correctly, that is the substantial issue at stake but
I cannot figure from your responses what your position on the security
issue is.

maybe I'm not understanding.


Felmon

On 26/09/14 08:18, felmon wrote:
On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 12:29:47 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

When it does it the fan...do let us know.

I've been trying to follow the debate (though this thread unfortunately
is declining to an insult-fest) and I'm not sure if you are agreeing that
saying this 'hidden' account is a security hazard or if you disagree. if
I follow the thread correctly, that is the substantial issue at stake but
I cannot figure from your responses what your position on the security
issue is.

I have had responses from at least 3 *mvps*

According to the googleweb an mvp is

cite
According to Microsoft, Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP) award
is given to "exceptional, independent community leaders who share their
passion, technical expertise, and real-world knowledge of Microsoft
products with others."
/cite

Only one of them came anywhere near admitting that this hidden account
'might' be a security issue

quote
You can quite rightly argue that the security system leaves something to
be desired but Microsoft have always considered that high security comes
with Domain administration and not as standalone systems ...
/quote

To see this quotation in context view this thread, it's the last reply.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...4-71aa0f40397b

opinion
It's my opinion that you will never get an agreement from an mvp or
indeed any other individual closely associated with Microsoft or Windows
that anything is wrong with the platform. It's reasonably well known
that the whole Microsoft phenomenon is a triumph of marketing over truth
and technology so all I can assume is that any critical opinion is
discouraged. I can't believe that *all* these individuals are incapable
of critical thought but it does appear that, if they are they keep such
thoughts to themselves. Does this seem familiar? Think of almost any
despotic dictatorship throughout human history and you start to see
parallels.
/opinion

maybe I'm not understanding.

That makes two of us.


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On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 09:17:27 +0100, Joe User wrote:


It's my opinion that you will never get an agreement from an mvp or
indeed any other individual closely associated with Microsoft or Windows
that anything is wrong with the platform.


Just to clarify, MVPs are *not* closely associated with Microsoft. And
no MVP is a Microsoft employee. It's true that some MVPs will never
say anything different from Microsoft, but they are the exception;
it's far from true that all MVPs are like that.

As an example, I'm an MVP, and I've often said, here in the newsgroups
and on the Microsoft web forums, that I prefer Corel WordPerfect to
Microsoft Word, and that, even though I use and like Windows 8, I
think Microsoft made a big mistake in not pointing out that Windows 8
has *two* interfaces, both in its advertising and documentation. And
made another big mistake in removing the Start orb, and its menu.

Microsoft doesn't dictate what MVPs can or can not say. If they did, I
wouldn't agree to being an MVP.

On 26/09/14 15:38, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 09:17:27 +0100, Joe User wrote:


It's my opinion that you will never get an agreement from an mvp or
indeed any other individual closely associated with Microsoft or Windows
that anything is wrong with the platform.


Just to clarify, MVPs are *not* closely associated with Microsoft. And
no MVP is a Microsoft employee. It's true that some MVPs will never
say anything different from Microsoft, but they are the exception;
it's far from true that all MVPs are like that.

As an example, I'm an MVP, and I've often said, here in the newsgroups
and on the Microsoft web forums, that I prefer Corel WordPerfect to
Microsoft Word, and that, even though I use and like Windows 8, I
think Microsoft made a big mistake in not pointing out that Windows 8
has *two* interfaces, both in its advertising and documentation. And
made another big mistake in removing the Start orb, and its menu.

Microsoft doesn't dictate what MVPs can or can not say. If they did, I
wouldn't agree to being an MVP.

What is your opinion on the hidden unprotected Administrator account.


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Not confused, just ... bewildered

On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 09:17:27 +0100, Joe User wrote:

opinion
It's my opinion that you will never get an agreement from an mvp or
indeed any other individual closely associated with Microsoft or Windows
that anything is wrong with the platform.

ok but Linux people (and Mac people and BSD people and Slack people) et al
are also _often_ like that, sensitive to criticism of their favorite
modus operandi and this again takes us off the topic about security.

I know your view about the security issue though I don't have all the
details in mind and it does seem worth having someone who knows Microsoft
security issues address it.

Felmon

On 26/09/14 17:44, felmon wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 09:17:27 +0100, Joe User wrote:

opinion
It's my opinion that you will never get an agreement from an mvp or
indeed any other individual closely associated with Microsoft or Windows
that anything is wrong with the platform.

ok but Linux people (and Mac people and BSD people and Slack people) et al
are also _often_ like that, sensitive to criticism of their favorite
modus operandi and this again takes us off the topic about security.

I know your view about the security issue though I don't have all the
details in mind and it does seem worth having someone who knows Microsoft
security issues address it.

The deafening silence tells me what I guess I already knew.

The hidden unprotected Administrator account can only be there to allow
clandestine access to a machine.

I'm just very glad indeed that neither my online businesses or my home
networks rely on *any* Microsoft products.

Thank whatever God you pray to for free and open source software.



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Not confused, just ... bewildered

On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 16:50:52 +0100, Joe User wrote:

On 26/09/14 15:38, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 09:17:27 +0100, Joe User wrote:


It's my opinion that you will never get an agreement from an mvp or
indeed any other individual closely associated with Microsoft or Windows
that anything is wrong with the platform.


Just to clarify, MVPs are *not* closely associated with Microsoft. And
no MVP is a Microsoft employee. It's true that some MVPs will never
say anything different from Microsoft, but they are the exception;
it's far from true that all MVPs are like that.

As an example, I'm an MVP, and I've often said, here in the newsgroups
and on the Microsoft web forums, that I prefer Corel WordPerfect to
Microsoft Word, and that, even though I use and like Windows 8, I
think Microsoft made a big mistake in not pointing out that Windows 8
has *two* interfaces, both in its advertising and documentation. And
made another big mistake in removing the Start orb, and its menu.

Microsoft doesn't dictate what MVPs can or can not say. If they did, I
wouldn't agree to being an MVP.

What is your opinion on the hidden unprotected Administrator account.


I have no opinion on it. It's not something I've looked into.

On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:14:45 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 16:50:52 +0100, Joe User wrote:

On 26/09/14 15:38, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 09:17:27 +0100, Joe User wrote:


It's my opinion that you will never get an agreement from an mvp or
indeed any other individual closely associated with Microsoft or Windows
that anything is wrong with the platform.


Just to clarify, MVPs are *not* closely associated with Microsoft. And
no MVP is a Microsoft employee. It's true that some MVPs will never
say anything different from Microsoft, but they are the exception;
it's far from true that all MVPs are like that.

As an example, I'm an MVP, and I've often said, here in the newsgroups
and on the Microsoft web forums, that I prefer Corel WordPerfect to
Microsoft Word, and that, even though I use and like Windows 8, I
think Microsoft made a big mistake in not pointing out that Windows 8
has *two* interfaces, both in its advertising and documentation. And
made another big mistake in removing the Start orb, and its menu.

Microsoft doesn't dictate what MVPs can or can not say. If they did, I
wouldn't agree to being an MVP.

What is your opinion on the hidden unprotected Administrator account.


I have no opinion on it. It's not something I've looked into.


And let me add that my message was not about me. It was about MVPs. I
was simply using myself as an example of an MVP.

On 26/09/14 19:16, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:14:45 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 16:50:52 +0100, Joe User wrote:

On 26/09/14 15:38, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 09:17:27 +0100, Joe User wrote:


It's my opinion that you will never get an agreement from an mvp or
indeed any other individual closely associated with Microsoft or Windows
that anything is wrong with the platform.


Just to clarify, MVPs are *not* closely associated with Microsoft. And
no MVP is a Microsoft employee. It's true that some MVPs will never
say anything different from Microsoft, but they are the exception;
it's far from true that all MVPs are like that.

As an example, I'm an MVP, and I've often said, here in the newsgroups
and on the Microsoft web forums, that I prefer Corel WordPerfect to
Microsoft Word, and that, even though I use and like Windows 8, I
think Microsoft made a big mistake in not pointing out that Windows 8
has *two* interfaces, both in its advertising and documentation. And
made another big mistake in removing the Start orb, and its menu.

Microsoft doesn't dictate what MVPs can or can not say. If they did, I
wouldn't agree to being an MVP.

What is your opinion on the hidden unprotected Administrator account.


I have no opinion on it. It's not something I've looked into.

Astonishing, you have no opinion on a hidden, unprotected Administrator
account? not even on the concept?

How would you feel if you bank rolled out an atm that would give people
money from your account if they simply typed in your name.

And let me add that my message was not about me. It was about MVPs. I
was simply using myself as an example of an MVP.

You wouldn't want to upset your overlords would you.
Do any of you people actually have a spine?


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Not confused, just ... bewildered

On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 20:25:29 +0100, Joe User wrote:

On 26/09/14 19:16, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:14:45 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 16:50:52 +0100, Joe User wrote:

On 26/09/14 15:38, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 09:17:27 +0100, Joe User wrote:


It's my opinion that you will never get an agreement from an mvp or
indeed any other individual closely associated with Microsoft or Windows
that anything is wrong with the platform.


Just to clarify, MVPs are *not* closely associated with Microsoft. And
no MVP is a Microsoft employee. It's true that some MVPs will never
say anything different from Microsoft, but they are the exception;
it's far from true that all MVPs are like that.

As an example, I'm an MVP, and I've often said, here in the newsgroups
and on the Microsoft web forums, that I prefer Corel WordPerfect to
Microsoft Word, and that, even though I use and like Windows 8, I
think Microsoft made a big mistake in not pointing out that Windows 8
has *two* interfaces, both in its advertising and documentation. And
made another big mistake in removing the Start orb, and its menu.

Microsoft doesn't dictate what MVPs can or can not say. If they did, I
wouldn't agree to being an MVP.

What is your opinion on the hidden unprotected Administrator account.


I have no opinion on it. It's not something I've looked into.

Astonishing, you have no opinion on a hidden, unprotected Administrator
account? not even on the concept?

How would you feel if you bank rolled out an atm that would give people
money from your account if they simply typed in your name.

And let me add that my message was not about me. It was about MVPs. I
was simply using myself as an example of an MVP.

You wouldn't want to upset your overlords would you.
Do any of you people actually have a spine?


I was trying to be informative. You just want to be insulting! That's
up to you, but I don't want to read your insults. Goodbye.