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"Nil" wrote

| Yes, it's very good. And the UI is a mess. It doesn't
| even support drag-drop.
|
| Not true. You can add files to an archive by dropping them onto the 7-
| Zip interface. And you can extract files from an archive by dragging
| them from the interface to any location in File Explorer.
|

Yes. And as with everything in 7-Zip, it works
very well. But when I drop a file onto the window
I don't want a new window with 20-odd settings
to create a new ZIP. I drop a ZIP file onto the
window because I want 7-Zip to open it. Seems
sensible to me. But instead 7-Zip offers to create
a new .7z file with my ZIP file in it!. There are so
many settings in that window that I've never used
it. I just have a right-click - Create New ZIP File
that calls Filzip.

Like Paul, I always install 7-Zip. And I use it. I
love it for CHMs and ISOs. I use it for oddball
stuff like .tar.gz. I just avoid it for routine ZIP
operations. For those I just want a window that
shows me the files, lets me drag them out or
extract, and also gives me simple, straightforward
options for creating a new ZIP.

I wouldn't suggest 7-Zip to less experienced
people -- friends and relaitves -- because I don't
think they'd ever manage to make sense of it, and
they're not likey to be opening .tar.gz or dissecting
CHMs.

| There isn't even a menu item
| to create a new ZIP. There's create new file, which
| creates a 0-byte file with no extension?!
|
| The Create archive choices are in the File Explorer right-click context
| menus.

You mean Windows File Explorer?! That's not the
same thing. And since I don't want a clogged
context menu I don't have 7-Zip menus on mine.
A basic function like New File should be on the
File menu, not just in a shell extension. And of course,
7-Zip does have a File - New File menu. But that
menu is a dud, creating an empty, extensionless file.
I have to wonder if that's some kind of practical joke.
But I doubt it. My guess is that Igor Pavlov is
probably a math genius who just doesn't relate very
well with the practical, human side of things.

The nice thing about Microsoft pushing their standards
is that it makes things simple once one learns them.
File menu for open, save, new. Edit menu for cut,
copy, paste. Tools or Options for settings. View for
window layout. System windows and dialogs to choose,
save, or view files. When someone ignores all that it
creates extra work.

On 15 Nov 2017, "Mayayana" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

You mean Windows File Explorer?! That's not the
same thing. And since I don't want a clogged
context menu I don't have 7-Zip menus on mine.

In that case, this program is not the one for you. When I want to deal
with archives, I general choose some files, right-click on them, and
choose what needs to be done. 7-Zip's own interface is usually not
needed. If you insist on first opening 7-Zip, then doing something, a
la Winzip, I think you will always be disappointed - it's not really
designed to be used that way. For me, it's paradigm is quite handy and
usable.

On 15 Nov 2017, Wolf K wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Nice example: The convention is to put file-creation options in
the program's menus, even when the program actually calls an OS
action.

In this case, the options being part of a file's context menu makes
good sense to me. I regard 7-Zip as more of a File Explorer extension
than a desktop app. It's own interface is more of a mini file manager
than a host for the program's options.

Standards are essential. The objection that they prevent
innovation, or infringe on liberty, are founded on ideology, not
psychology.

In this case, 7-Zip's style works well with my psychology.