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Windows 7 Pro Refurb PC Citizenship?
I want to dump the PC that has the eSATA boot issues.
It's a pretty nice machine for general use. Win10 seems to have drivers. It has a Windows XP Pro COA sticker. Also has a Windows 7 Pro Refurb PC Citizenship sticker. The sticker looks genuine. Has no license key. Reading the google suggests that the keys are supplied separately and if you lose it, you're outaluck. If there's a legal workaround for that, I'd like to hear it. Somebody has paid for the license, I just want to put it back on. I don't have the refurbisher version or a refurbisher key. Not worth wasting a real key on this system. After reading about the guy doin' jail time for offering copies of the free MS windows restore CD's to his refurb customers, I'd like to avoid his plight. Selling used computers seems to be mired in legal hassle these days. |
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Windows 7 Pro Refurb PC Citizenship?
In message , mike
writes: I want to dump the PC that has the eSATA boot issues. It's a pretty nice machine for general use. Win10 seems to have drivers. It has a Windows XP Pro COA sticker. Also has a Windows 7 Pro Refurb PC Citizenship sticker. The sticker looks genuine. Has no license key. Maybe one of the key-extraction utilities, next time you _do_ manage to get it booted in 7 (or XP), might produce something valid? (Belarc Advisor I think extracts keys as well as lots of other useful stuff - certainly does in XP. I don't know if the keys it extracts - or any of the other utilities that do - are valid though.) Reading the google suggests that the keys are supplied separately and if you lose it, you're outaluck. If there's a legal workaround for that, I'd like to hear it. Somebody has paid for the license, I just want to put it back on. Though they may have kept the "paperwork" (or electronic equivalent) and the licence wasn't included in the $13 you paid for the machine. (You obviously have a better quality set of junk shops round you than I do!) Though if it was an OEM licence, it's tied to the machine anyway. (And if it was upgraded, it's probably even more complicated.) Paul or VLH (or anyone), can you clarify the situation? I don't have the refurbisher version or a refurbisher key. Not worth wasting a real key on this system. After reading about the guy doin' jail time for offering copies of the free MS windows restore CD's to his refurb customers, I'd like to avoid his plight. What, the one that you (including he and the customers) can make on the machine itself? That seems a bit harsh to put it mildly! Selling used computers seems to be mired in legal hassle these days. )-: -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf No, I haven't changed my mind - I'm perfectly happy with the one I have, thank you. |
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Windows 7 Pro Refurb PC Citizenship?
On 5/5/2018 4:11 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Maybe one of the key-extraction utilities, next time you _do_ manage to get it booted in 7 (or XP), might produce something valid? (Belarc Advisor I think extracts keys as well as lots of other useful stuff - certainly does in XP. I don't know if the keys it extracts - or any of the other utilities that do - are valid though.) Another key-extraction application is Nirsoft's ProduKey.exe from http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html. This requires NO installation. It is in a ZIP file. Unzip it; you can do this in another PC. If you unzip it in the target PC, then just execute it. If you unzip it in another PC, move the unzipped files to the target PC and then execute it. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ First you say you do, and then you don't. And then you say you will, but then won't. You're undecided now, so what're you goin' to do? From a 1950s song That should be Donald Trump's theme song. He obviously does not understand "commitment", whether it is about policy or marriage. |
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Windows 7 Pro Refurb PC Citizenship?
mike wrote:
I want to dump the PC that has the eSATA boot issues. It's a pretty nice machine for general use. Win10 seems to have drivers. It has a Windows XP Pro COA sticker. Also has a Windows 7 Pro Refurb PC Citizenship sticker. The sticker looks genuine. Has no license key. Reading the google suggests that the keys are supplied separately and if you lose it, you're outaluck. If there's a legal workaround for that, I'd like to hear it. Somebody has paid for the license, I just want to put it back on. I don't have the refurbisher version or a refurbisher key. Not worth wasting a real key on this system. After reading about the guy doin' jail time for offering copies of the free MS windows restore CD's to his refurb customers, I'd like to avoid his plight. Selling used computers seems to be mired in legal hassle these days. https://www.ifixit.com/Wiki/Microsof...bisher_Program I suspect a refurb license is handled like an OEM license. After saving an image backup of the OS and app partition(s), you could see if Microsoft offers you an upgrade at: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 I suspect you'll end up with a trial version. https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-...ws-10-upgrade/ (dated about 4 months ago on January 16, 2018) (the assistive technologies free upgrade ended on January 16, 2018) You mentioned Windows 10 but did not explicitly say you want to move to Windows 10. If your intent is to reinstall Windows 7 but a fresh copy, use one of many tools (e.g., Magical Jelly Bean or Nirsoft Produkey) to extract the product key from your current installation as it may not match the one on the sticker. Save an image backup of the OS and app partition(s). Then use the installation media (CD) to do a fresh install of Windows 7. ------ UPDATE (This goes astray of this thread to connect to a prior thread) So how is changing the OS, any OS, going to alter the firmware code in your BIOS regarding which boot devices it will support? Changing the OS will not change the BIOS code. If your BIOS won't boot from an eSATA device then it won't happen no matter what OS you install. You already know putting the external drive on an internal SATA port works for booting from that drive. To get around the old BIOS limitation (of not supporting boot from eSATA), maybe a multi-boot manager would work. However, it would have to be on an internal drive. The BIOS would boot from the internal drive by loading its boot code in its MBR -- but that has been replaced with a multi-boot manager (instead of having standard boot code), like what you can do with the old GAG multi-boot manager. The multi-boot manager can boot from another device but that depends on whether or not the multi-boot manager can find eSATA devices. Just drilled down in your other thread where you noted: Win 7 SATA drive connected directly to either SATA0 or eSATA motherboard socket WITHOUT using the external dock works fine. So apparently your BIOS will boot from a proper eSATA device. When the drive is attached to an internal SATA port, the drive is bootable. When the drive is attached to the eSATA port from the mobo (no dock), the drive is bootable. When the drive is in the dock that is connected to the eSATA port, the drive won't boot. The dock is the problem. So the "eSata boot issues" are with the dock, not the BIOS and not the OS. Maybe the doc only allows access to sectors within partitions. The bootloader code (465 bytes) in the MBR is in the first sector of the drive and is not in any partition. In the other thread, you noted a 7B error stop code. See: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...inaccessible-b https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-fix-...errors-2624109 You also indicated the OS was loading but then it crashed. Did the dock come with a driver you were supposed to install? From eSATA port on the computer to the dock, you are using a *shielded* eSATA cable (2 meters max length) and not some generic SATA cable, right? Tried a different eSATA cable? eSATA is close to SATA except eSATA raised the voltage of the transmit signal and lowered the threshold required for recognition of the receive signal (to accomodate for the increased cable length). Is the dock designed to connect to an eSATA port or for a cable to run through a hole in the case to a SATA port on the mobo? Is it an eSATA connector (and not SATA) for the eSATA port on the computer? How about for the dock? eSATA allows only one drive per eSATA port connection. Is it single-drive eSATA dock, or a 2-drive dock and you have more than 1 drive inserted? eSATA-only docks should have only 1 drive slot. eSATA+USB docks can have 2 drive slots. We don't know what you are using for the eSATA cable and what is the eSATA dock. Where is power coming from for the eSATA drive? Power up the eSATA dock for several seconds before powering up the computer. The docked drive should be ready (connected, powered, spun up) *before* the BIOS attempts to find it. Also, is AHCI enabled in the BIOS? Dell's documentation sucks, so getting online info about the BIOS settings is a waste of time. Look in the BIOS to see if AHCI is enabled. There could be more than one setting for it. |
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Windows 7 Pro Refurb PC Citizenship?
mike wrote in news
I want to dump the PC that has the eSATA boot issues. It's a pretty nice machine for general use. Win10 seems to have drivers. It has a Windows XP Pro COA sticker. Also has a Windows 7 Pro Refurb PC Citizenship sticker. The sticker looks genuine. Has no license key. Reading the google suggests that the keys are supplied separately and if you lose it, you're outaluck. If there's a legal workaround for that, I'd like to hear it. Somebody has paid for the license, I just want to put it back on. I don't have the refurbisher version or a refurbisher key. Not worth wasting a real key on this system. After reading about the guy doin' jail time for offering copies of the free MS windows restore CD's to his refurb customers, I'd like to avoid his plight. Selling used computers seems to be mired in legal hassle these days. This works for me everytime: Run PowerShell as Administrator Use command: wmic path softwareLicensingService get OA3xOriginalProductKey The entire command line should look like this: PS C:\WINDOWS\system32 wmic path softwareLicensingService get OA3xOriginalProductKey -------------------------------------------------- If you don't specify PowerShell as Administrator, the command line would look like this: PS C:\Users\mike (Get-WmiObject -query 'select * from SoftwareLicensingService').OA3xOriginalProductKey HTH |
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Windows 7 Pro Refurb PC Citizenship?
On 5-5-2018 17:19, David E. Ross wrote:
On 5/5/2018 4:11 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: Maybe one of the key-extraction utilities, next time you _do_ manage to get it booted in 7 (or XP), might produce something valid? (Belarc Advisor I think extracts keys as well as lots of other useful stuff - certainly does in XP. I don't know if the keys it extracts - or any of the other utilities that do - are valid though.) Another key-extraction application is Nirsoft's ProduKey.exe from http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html. This requires NO installation. It is in a ZIP file. Unzip it; you can do this in another PC. If you unzip it in the target PC, then just execute it. If you unzip it in another PC, move the unzipped files to the target PC and then execute it. Thanks. Stored for future use (worked for me on XP PRO SP3) |
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On 5/5/2018 10:32 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
mike wrote: I want to dump the PC that has the eSATA boot issues. It's a pretty nice machine for general use. Win10 seems to have drivers. It has a Windows XP Pro COA sticker. Also has a Windows 7 Pro Refurb PC Citizenship sticker. The sticker looks genuine. Has no license key. Reading the google suggests that the keys are supplied separately and if you lose it, you're outaluck. If there's a legal workaround for that, I'd like to hear it. Somebody has paid for the license, I just want to put it back on. I don't have the refurbisher version or a refurbisher key. Not worth wasting a real key on this system. After reading about the guy doin' jail time for offering copies of the free MS windows restore CD's to his refurb customers, I'd like to avoid his plight. Selling used computers seems to be mired in legal hassle these days. https://www.ifixit.com/Wiki/Microsof...bisher_Program Thanks for the link, but reading it discovers: Steve Barrett - 08/11/2016 Hi Steve, I would be happy to try and help you out as I am a Registered Refurbisher as well as a Microsoft Authorised Refurbisher TPI Partner. Windows 7 licences were marked EOL last October and are no longer available through the program or from Microsoft even as OEM's as they are transitioning everyone to Windows 10. I suspect a refurb license is handled like an OEM license. After saving an image backup of the OS and app partition(s), you could see if Microsoft offers you an upgrade at: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 I suspect you'll end up with a trial version. https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-...ws-10-upgrade/ (dated about 4 months ago on January 16, 2018) (the assistive technologies free upgrade ended on January 16, 2018) I did as late as March, but later attempts found the loophole closed. I'd be interested to hear if anybody has used this recently. A unactivated win10 has been working here for months, but there's no guarantee that it will continue to work. I'm not gonna risk anything mission-critical on that assumption. You mentioned Windows 10 but did not explicitly say you want to move to Windows 10. If your intent is to reinstall Windows 7 but a fresh copy, use one of many tools (e.g., Magical Jelly Bean or Nirsoft Produkey) to extract the product key from your current installation as it may not match the one on the sticker. Save an image backup of the OS and app partition(s). Then use the installation media (CD) to do a fresh install of Windows 7. Since the computer didn't come with the hard drive, getting any data from it will be difficult. ------ UPDATE (This goes astray of this thread to connect to a prior thread) I thought starting a new thread would let the old one die...no such luck... So how is changing the OS, any OS, going to alter the firmware code in your BIOS regarding which boot devices it will support? Changing the OS will not change the BIOS code. If your BIOS won't boot from an eSATA device then it won't happen no matter what OS you install. You already know putting the external drive on an internal SATA port works for booting from that drive. From the top of this page, I'm dumping the computer, taking it to a swapmeet, and maybe later the dump. eSATA is not involved anywhere in that process. The installed OS affects the value/price of the machine. I probably won't be able to give it away with XP. If it has a win7 refurbisher license that I can use, that will increase its resale value. To get around the old BIOS limitation (of not supporting boot from eSATA), maybe a multi-boot manager would work. However, it would have to be on an internal drive. The BIOS would boot from the internal drive by loading its boot code in its MBR -- but that has been replaced with a multi-boot manager (instead of having standard boot code), like what you can do with the old GAG multi-boot manager. The multi-boot manager can boot from another device but that depends on whether or not the multi-boot manager can find eSATA devices. Sure, that would work. BUT it does not meet my requirements for this project...PERIOD. I MUST HAVE a computer that just works in all modes, including win7. Just drilled down in your other thread where you noted: Win 7 SATA drive connected directly to either SATA0 or eSATA motherboard socket WITHOUT using the external dock works fine. So apparently your BIOS will boot from a proper eSATA device. When the drive is attached to an internal SATA port, the drive is bootable. When the drive is attached to the eSATA port from the mobo (no dock), the drive is bootable. When the drive is in the dock that is connected to the eSATA port, the drive won't boot. The dock is the problem. So the "eSata boot issues" are with the dock, not the BIOS and not the OS. Maybe the doc only allows access to sectors within partitions. The bootloader code (465 bytes) in the MBR is in the first sector of the drive and is not in any partition. Experiments suggest otherwise. System works fine in all modes internal/external dock, ALL modes with linux and Win10. The dock and win7 appear to be incompatible on this machine. Don't know why...don't care why...I want something that just works including eSATA. In the other thread, you noted a 7B error stop code. See: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...inaccessible-b https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-fix-...errors-2624109 You also indicated the OS was loading but then it crashed. Did the dock come with a driver you were supposed to install? no From eSATA port on the computer to the dock, you are using a *shielded* eSATA cable (2 meters max length) and not some generic SATA cable, right? Tried a different eSATA cable? eSATA is close to SATA except eSATA raised the voltage of the transmit signal and lowered the threshold required for recognition of the receive signal (to accomodate for the increased cable length). Is the dock designed to connect to an eSATA port or for a cable to run through a hole in the case to a SATA port on the mobo? Is it an eSATA connector (and not SATA) for the eSATA port on the computer? How about for the dock? The computer has a cable that plugs into the dedicated eSATA motherboard SATA socket. It converts the plug format. It came from dell with the computer when new. The cable that came with the dock is 1 meter long with eSATA plugs on each end. I tried a different internal cable. I tried a different external cable. Remember that the eSATA dock works fine with win10 and linux. Remember that I did data transfer test using the eSATA dock connected through all the cables to the internal eSATA port after booting win7 from a different internal drive on SATA0. The hardware is capable of doing what it is supposed to do. It can be verified with another OS. eSATA allows only one drive per eSATA port connection. Is it single-drive eSATA dock, or a 2-drive dock and you have more than 1 drive inserted? eSATA-only docks should have only 1 drive slot. eSATA+USB docks can have 2 drive slots. We don't know what you are using for the eSATA cable and what is the eSATA dock. The dock has 2 slots. The google suggests that only slot1 should be used for eSATA, but I've tried each one. Remember that win10 and linux both work fine. Where is power coming from for the eSATA drive? Power up the eSATA dock for several seconds before powering up the computer. The docked drive should be ready (connected, powered, spun up) *before* the BIOS attempts yes to find it. Also, is AHCI enabled in the BIOS? yes Dell's documentation sucks, so getting online info about the BIOS settings is a waste of time. Look in the BIOS to see if AHCI is enabled. There could be more than one setting for it. If win10 and linux work properly, how can it be the cable or the attached port or the power supply or the BIOS or anything but windows 7 pulling the rug out from under itself during boot? |
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On 5/5/2018 4:11 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , mike writes: I want to dump the PC that has the eSATA boot issues. It's a pretty nice machine for general use. Win10 seems to have drivers. It has a Windows XP Pro COA sticker. Also has a Windows 7 Pro Refurb PC Citizenship sticker. The sticker looks genuine. Has no license key. Maybe one of the key-extraction utilities, next time you _do_ manage to get it booted in 7 (or XP), might produce something valid? (Belarc Advisor I think extracts keys as well as lots of other useful stuff - certainly does in XP. I don't know if the keys it extracts - or any of the other utilities that do - are valid though.) Reading the google suggests that the keys are supplied separately and if you lose it, you're outaluck. If there's a legal workaround for that, I'd like to hear it. Somebody has paid for the license, I just want to put it back on. Though they may have kept the "paperwork" (or electronic equivalent) and the licence wasn't included in the $13 you paid for the machine. (You obviously have a better quality set of junk shops round you than I do!) Was a thrift store for $7. I was gonna build the missing internal hard drive adapter, but after looking at how much stuff was blocking access to the spot welder, I opted to spend $6 for a plug and play drive mount + fan on ebay. I've since invested another $2 in a 160GB WD 10KRPM VelociRaptor drive. Put win10 on it and it's pretty quick. Will be interesting to see how long MS lets us use unactivated win10. Now that it's working fine, it's almost ready to go on the pile of computers I'll probably never use. At least it kept me entertained for 5 days. Though if it was an OEM licence, it's tied to the machine anyway. (And if it was upgraded, it's probably even more complicated.) Paul or VLH (or anyone), can you clarify the situation? I don't have the refurbisher version or a refurbisher key. Not worth wasting a real key on this system. After reading about the guy doin' jail time for offering copies of the free MS windows restore CD's to his refurb customers, I'd like to avoid his plight. What, the one that you (including he and the customers) can make on the machine itself? That seems a bit harsh to put it mildly! https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...?noredirect=on is one account of the ordeal, but there are many others. watch wordwrap. Selling used computers seems to be mired in legal hassle these days. )-: |
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In message , mike
writes: On 5/5/2018 4:11 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , mike writes: [] I don't have the refurbisher version or a refurbisher key. Not worth wasting a real key on this system. After reading about the guy doin' jail time for offering copies of the free MS windows restore CD's to his refurb customers, I'd like to avoid his plight. What, the one that you (including he and the customers) can make on the machine itself? That seems a bit harsh to put it mildly! https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...15/eric-lundgr en-e-waste-recycling-innovator-faces-prison-for-trying-to-extend-lifespa n-of-pcs/?noredirect=on is one account of the ordeal, but there are many others. watch wordwrap. Selling used computers seems to be mired in legal hassle these days. )-: Thanks for the link to the article. All should read! I'd assumed he was just giving the discs away with computers he was selling, with existing valid licences, but (a) it seems he made 28000 of them (I think intending to sell them to _other_ refurbishers), (b) he was foolish enough to [have his Chinese duplicator] put Microsoft and Dell logos on them. But apart from the logos (which he's admitted to), I'm _still_ not sure what he's done wrong, and more worryingly, it sounds as if the judges (the article mentions no juries) didn't grasp it properly. He apparently said he doesn't resell any computer without a valid licence - any computer that comes in to his company without one is not resold but stripped for parts. Seems like a Good Guy: obviously there's more to him than the article tells, but it _does_ look like a case that should at least get more coverage. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf To keep leaf vegetables clean and crisp, cook lightly, then plunge into iced water (the vegetables, that is). - manual for a Russell Hobbs electric steamer |
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