Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?

In message Frank Slootweg wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article , Wolf K
wrote:
[...]
So's "app", which as I recall was an abbreviation for "application
program",

'application program' is redundant.

Nope. There were - and still are - distinct categories of programs,
which were/are *not* in the category 'application [programs]', i.e.
utility programs, backup programs, etc., etc..

You trying to rewrite history from *your* perspective, doesn't mean
that there wasn't/isn't other usage in environments which you allegedly
didn't/don't encounter.

Moral: Don't try to portray *your* alleged 'knowledge' of the
use/meaning of these terms, as the only possible use/meaning.

Don't try to portray the things you made up as being true more than
0.1mm outside your brain.

File Explorer is a part of the OS (hence it sits in C:\Windows) and
sane people make a distinction between application / application program
and the OS.

Microsoft refers to File Explorer as an Application.

And. as I've said before, Microsoft lists these (non-) "apps" in
"Programs and Features" (not "Apps ..."), they live in "Program Files"
(not "App ..."), etc., etc..

Before the explosion of iOS most Windows documents referred to apps as
"programs" because MSFT decided on a "Program Files" folder in Windows
95, but they have all always been applications.

The distinction you are insisting on does not exist, and it never has.

--
Don't be too sure I'm as crooked as I'm supposed to be. ~ Sam Spade

On Aug 19, 2018, Lewis wrote
(in article ):

In Frank Slootweg
wrote:

I've had a quick look at Wikipedia's AirDrop page, but that doesn't
says anything about Windows. Also the AirDrop on iOS page only mentions
"other Apple devices".

I don't give a **** about Windows. I only use it when I am being paid
(very well) to do so.

A sentiment I share. I haven’t used, or had to use Windows since I retired
in 2009.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

On 19 Aug 2018 12:55:52 GMT, Lewis wrote:

The distinction you are insisting on does not exist, and it never has.

The Windows reader should note these are *classic Apple Apologists*.
- nospam (iOS)
- Lewis (iOS)
- Jolly Roger (iOS)
- BK@OnRamp (iOS)
- Alan Baker (Mac)
- Tim Streater (Mac)
- Savageduck (iOS)

There are a few more who aren't *always* Apple Apologists like those above.

BTW, the term "Apple Apologist" isn't mine - it's well known, e.g.,
Confessions of an Apple apologist: The iPhone 6 disappoints
http://www.bgr.in/news/confessions-of-an-apple-apologist-the-iphone-6-disappoints/

MacRumors- what is an Apple Apologist anyway?
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apologists.2093606/

The latest Apple apologist meme: the post-spec era
https://betanews.com/2011/11/15/the-latest-apple-apologist-meme-the-post-spec-era/

To all the Apple apologist on Big Screens
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/to-all-the-apple-apologist-on-big-screens.1774672/

and, of course, the apropos...
Why do Apple Apologists lie so much about iOS capabilities?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/98CPbQfNTV8/dTVK7PesBgAJ

nospam wrote:
In article , Frank Slootweg
wrote:

not having network access is exceptionally rare and you know it. both
wifi and cellular are just about everywhere.

As I've sad many times before, you *really* should get out more!

Ignoring the rest of the world outside your city-dweller bubble is
getting more laugable by the minute.

there is plenty of network access outside cities.

Yes, I live in a large(r) city too and have cullular and Wi-Fi access,

in other words, not an issue at all.

as usual, you're arguing just to argue.

but *I* - and zillions of *others* - *do* go out of the city, into the
country, into 'nature', into 'the outback', etc., where there is *no*
Wi-Fi, *no* cellular, no aything (except multi-multi dollar a MB
sattelite).

no, not zillions of others and not with any regularity either.

a small number of people might occasionally travel to where there's
limited or no internet access (not the same as no network) but it's not
common and only briefly. if they do, file transfers are likely the last
thing on their mind.

you're also neglecting that they would need to bring their laptop or
desktop computer to the outback, along with a source of power for
everything (or just to recharge the various batteries) plus usb cables,
just so they can copy a file while in the outback.

what actually happens is they transfer everything when they return.

it's an edge case and you know it. you're as usual, arguing just to
argue.

and should someone travel to the outback, any transfers that require
the internet will be automatically queued until the user returns to an
area with wifi or cellular connectivity, at which point those transfers
will complete without any user intervention (or not, if the user
chooses to delay it).

in other words, *during* the journey home, certainly by the time they
get home, their files have already been synced, emails sent, etc.,
without needing to do anything extra.

You're clearly utterly and totally clueless about life outside the
cities!

EOD.

nospam wrote:
In article , Frank Slootweg
wrote:

[Still forcing non-USB on those specific/named posters who need to use
USB.]

and as has been repeatedly said, there is no issue with using usb if
that's what the user wants to do.

Well, so far it doesn't work at all for those who need it and if it
would work, it would only work for photo/video, not files in general.

it works quite well for those who need it.

Sigh! "those who need" it are 'the five of us' (well minus me because
I no longer need/want it), and *so far* for 'the five of us' it does NOT
work.

the only person for whom it did not work is ny, who encountered an
unspecified error when transferring photos.

AFAIK, it doesn't work for Bob_S and Wolf K either. But they probably
gave up getting an answer / help from you.

AFAICT, Wolf K gave up because Lewis said that USB does NOT work
(without iTunes).

[...]

nothing is perfect and there may be the occasional issue, which almost
always can be resolved.

With zero progress sofar! Perhaps instead of shooting the messengers
umpteen times, you could/should try to actually *help* them!

which is exactly what i've been doing.

i asked ny for specifics at least twice, including which ipad he was
using and what ios version was installed, as well as exactly what the
error message was.

so far, he has not provided that information, and until he does, it's
not possible for anyone to help.

i also suggested he use vnc/rdc to connect to other computers in his
local network rather than use teamviewer (or whatever service it was).

See above about Bob_S and Wolf K.

In article , Frank Slootweg
wrote:

[Still forcing non-USB on those specific/named posters who need to use
USB.]

i'm not forcing anything on anyone and nobody 'needs' to use usb.

users can choose what *they* want to do from all available options,
which for some reason, you do not want anyone to know about.





Sigh! "those who need" it are 'the five of us' (well minus me because
I no longer need/want it), and *so far* for 'the five of us' it does NOT
work.

the only person for whom it did not work is ny, who encountered an
unspecified error when transferring photos.

AFAIK, it doesn't work for Bob_S and Wolf K either. But they probably
gave up getting an answer / help from you.

bob_s never asked for help. he just wanted to rant, plus his post looks
like a troll.

wolf didn't actually have a specific problem (and what he did do worked
as expected). he mostly wanted to argue about what's an app and other
irrelevant crap.

nospam wrote:
In article , Frank Slootweg
wrote:

[Still forcing non-USB on those specific/named posters who need to use
USB.]

i'm not forcing anything on anyone and nobody 'needs' to use usb.

Yes, they do:



[More shooting of more messengers deleted.]

Bottom line: As usual, nospam claims all kinds of stuff, but doesn't
deliver.

EOD.

In article , Frank Slootweg
wrote:

[Still forcing non-USB on those specific/named posters who need to use
USB.]

i'm not forcing anything on anyone and nobody 'needs' to use usb.

Yes, they do:



that's not forcing anything.

it's *you* who is forcing usb. why should someone use usb when wifi is
easier and often faster, especially if it's configured to be automatic?

they can use usb if *they* decide to, but that's *their* decision, not
yours or anyone else's.

On 19 Aug 2018 07:12:46 GMT, Savageduck wrote:

I don't give a **** about Windows. I only use it when I am being paid
(very well) to do so.

A sentiment I share. I haven¢t used, or had to use Windows since I retired
in 2009.

What's odd is how common it is for the canonical Apple Apologists, Lewis,
nospam, Jolly Roger, Savageduck, etc., to prove their utter ignorance of
all that they speak about.

On 19 Aug 2018 15:38:59 GMT, nospam wrote:

they can use usb if *they* decide to, but that's *their* decision, not
yours or anyone else's.

hehhehheh...

On iOS, you can't just plug in the phone to native Windows and manage all
your files read/write simply by sliding them back and forth using the
native Windows file explorer.

You just can't.
Even you, nospam, must realize that is a fact.

On Android, you can.

*Why doesn't Apple let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?*

In article , Wolf K
wrote:

*Why doesn't Apple let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?*

a) because it's a serious security risk; and

that's one part of it. the other part is that needing direct access to
file system is old school.

b) because it might encourage Apple users to realise there's a world
outside the Apple ecosystem.

ignorant bull****. that doesn't even make any sense.

Some random thoughts on Apple, Windows, Linux:

almost all of which are completely wrong.

I recall the first time I read reports about Apple customers lining up
overnight outside Apple stores to buy the latest device.

read more. lining up overnight isn't just apple.

I realised that
Apple encourages a religion-like devotion to its products.

nonsense.

The typical
Apple user loves the product. The typical Windows user is more or less
frustrated by the product.

they must not be very frustrated, because they too wait in lines:

https://mashable.com/2015/08/24/windows-95-launch/
Twenty years ago, amid great fanfare, Microsoft released Windows 95,
its feverishly anticipated new operating system.
....
Many electronics stores held midnight launches for the product, with
thousands of people waiting in line to be the first to get their
hands on the operating system.

https://www.windowscentral.com/micro...mall-grand-ope
ning
Check out the massive lines for the Microsoft Store grand opening in
Connecticut

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2014/09/29/xbox-one-launches-in-china/
Long lines of fans queuing at Microsoft Store in Stores at Suning
Lenovo Bridge and Dazhong Zhongta before openings, looking forward
to launch of Xbox One in China

and it's not just tech products:
https://www.abc15.com/news/target-cu...aiting-hours-i
n-line-for-hatchimals-toy-only-to-come-up-empty-handed
Some customers waited nearly nine hours early Sunday morning hoping
to land one of the coveted Hatchimals toys that Target released, only
to leave the stores empty-handed.*

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-go-opening-day-long-lines-2018-1
People are waiting in a line wrapped around the block to shop at
Amazon's new store that claims to ban lines

it's very simple:
products in high demand with very limited supply will normally have
long lines.

Jobs realised very early on that ease of use means that interface design
was primary. Interface design includes the look and feel of the device
itself, so the cool factor came into play. Ease of use required as
glitch-free a system as possible, which means maximal reliability of the
hardware and the software, which entails limited functionality, which is
not extended unless and until reliability can be guaranteed (and which
justifies the fanfare about "new" devices with added features or
coolness). Maximal reliability also means that the user cannot be
allowed to tinker with the system, so curiosity about what is under the
hood is not encouraged (I don't think it is actively discouraged).

nonsense. users can tinker all they want.

the macos and ios kernels are open source, along with many other
components. the software development tools are free. have at it.

the only limitation is the user.

Jobs approach was that of a designer, not a developer. IMO, he was
right. You may have reservations about some of his design decisions, but
that's a different issue.

all products have designers and there will always be those who have
issues with whatever the design is.

take microsoft's surface laptop, for example, with its alcantara
keyboard. it looks and feels nice, but it gets grungy very quickly.

https://bgr.com/2017/05/05/surface-laptop-keyboard-dirt-alcantara/
That greasy, grimy, oddly brown object*you see in the photo*above is
the Surface Pro 4 ³Signature Type Cover,² which also happens to be
covered in Alcantara fabric. The photo was posted to Reddit a number
of months ago, with the owner of the device begging for advice on how
to clean it.
....
Sure, fabric might feel nice on your wrists and avoid that ³cold
steel² feel of many laptops, but the trade-off is*toting around a
filthy gadget or performing an obviously much more complicated
cleaning process than simply wiping the grime off.

Microsoft's approach was to make the customer dependent on their
products, and market control was the means. Their anti-competitive
methods were investigated by the US Justice Department, but politics
prevented success. The EU did limit MS's practices in Europe, which
caused a great deal of angry mumbling about Europe's "interference in
the free market".

that part is true.

Linux as an enterprise level server ecosystem is very successful,
because at that level technical excellence rules (something MS
eventually understood, so that Windows server is spreading). However,
consumer-level Linux product has been limited by being left in the hands
of developers, who tend to think of marketing as somebody else's task.

the main reason is the lack of mainstream software for linux.

most developers focus on macos, windows, ios and android. there is
little to no money to make with linux, so it's not usually a smart
business decision to develop for it.

True, Ubuntu has had limited success by focusing on the consumer, but
IMO it's too early to tell whether it will continue to grow.

actually, it's shrinking.

In article , Wolf K
wrote:

I recall the first time I read reports about Apple customers lining up
overnight outside Apple stores to buy the latest device.
read more. lining up overnight isn't just apple.
[..]

So what? So other products/actors/whatever, inspire overnight lineups.

your claim was that it's only apple who has a religious cult following
where people line up. that is of course, complete bull****.

here's what you wrote, without the intentional snipping:
I recall the first time I read reports about Apple customers lining up
overnight outside Apple stores to buy the latest device. I realised that
Apple encourages a religion-like devotion to its products. The typical
Apple user loves the product. The typical Windows user is more or less
frustrated by the product.

the reality is that people *also* line up for microsoft products, kid's
toys, popular restaurants, movies, concert tickets, sporting events and
even cars, as well as many other things. major sales, such as black
friday, also has long lines.

clearly you did not read about any of those, thus my comment to read
more.

in addition to the links in my other post, here's two more for you to
read:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...marathons-The-
Force-Awakens-U-S-fans.html
Hours-long lines formed all over the country - some camped for days -
in preparation for the Thursday showings of the long-awaited return
of the epic sci-fi series, with many cinemas not closing and running
the film all night long.

https://electrek.co/2016/03/30/tesla-model-3-reservations-australia/
Due to its timezone, EV enthusiasts in Australia are the first to be
able to reserve the Tesla Model 3 in-store. Reservations started in
the last hour and long lines of people have been spotted in Sydney
and Melbourne.

it's very simple: supply and demand.

Doesn't change my point in any way. Just raises the interesting
question: What kind of person becomes so enthralled by a
person/product/whatever. (Look up the etymology og "thrall".)

nothing particularly interesting or mysterious. it's simply people who
want the product and don't want to wait, and in some cases, such as a
concert or sports event that only happens once, they don't want to miss
out entirely.

No point responding to your other piuints. You don't want discuss, you
just want to argue.

i'm happy to discuss it. your problem is that you're making up **** as
you go along and don't like being called out on it.

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 10:55:23 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2018-08-20 10:48, nospam wrote:
[...]
I recall the first time I read reports about Apple customers lining up
overnight outside Apple stores to buy the latest device.
read more. lining up overnight isn't just apple.
[..]

So what? So other products/actors/whatever, inspire overnight lineups.
Doesn't change my point in any way. Just raises the interesting
question: What kind of person becomes so enthralled by a
person/product/whatever. (Look up the etymology og "thrall".)

No point responding to your other piuints. You don't want discuss, you
just want to argue.


Of course. He's a troll, and that's what trolls want to do.

As far as I'm concerned, there's no point in responding to *any*
points a troll makes. That's what trolls want you to do.

Don't feed the trolls. Killfile them.

On 20 Aug 2018 09:17:28 GMT, Wolf K wrote:

You want to refute the points I make, instead of attempting to
understand them. You think that when someone says "I think X", that the
only thing that matters is whether it's true. So you parse claims in
such a way that you can say "That's not true". Such as parsing my
comment about lineups as being "only" about Apple lineups. That's not
only bad reading, it's bad logic. The statement "X does Y" does not mean
"Only X does Y".

Hehhehheh ... Wolf ... you're dealing with an Apple Apologist, nospam.

Apple Apologists don't ever exhibit adult logical thought processes.
They simply instantly refute every fact they don't like.

Like Alan Baker did recently - without even reading the facts.
(He couldn't even _name_ the facts he incessantly denied were facts!)

This lack of logic is a well known trait of all the Apple Apologists...
What are the common psychological traits of the Apple Apologists
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/18ARDsEOPzM

In article , Wolf K
wrote:

i'm happy to discuss it. your problem is that you're making up **** as
you go along and don't like being called out on it.
[...]

You want to refute the points I make, instead of attempting to
understand them.

there's nothing to understand. your points were flat out wrong,
laughably so, refuted with references.

you did get one correct, that microsoft gained its dominance via
illegal business practices.

the rest, not even close.