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Any maximised window is larger than my screen
For many years I've assumed that the subject issue, described below, was
a flaw unique to my particular monitors, a succession of iiyama models, always 1920 x 1200, my preferred resolution. But I was wrong, because I've just replaced my 24" iiyama Prolite E2403WS with a 24" Dell U2415 ...and it has exactly the same bizarre behaviour. If I maximise any window (an application, a folder, whatever) its size becomes 1936 x 1186 and its position -8, -8. I use two utilities to report window size/position: AHK Windows Info 1.7, and Macro Express Pro. But I expect there are many more. Perhaps it only happens with 1920 x 1200 screens? Anyone able to try it with the more prolific 1920 x 1080 please? Any insights as to why this occurs? If others with a screen of any resolution cannot reproduce, what obscure setting of my setup could cause it? Terry, East Grinstead, UK |
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Any maximised window is larger than my screen
For many years I've assumed that the subject issue, described below, was
a flaw unique to my particular monitors, a succession of iiyama models, always 1920 x 1200, my preferred resolution. But I was wrong, because I've just replaced my 24" iiyama Prolite E2403WS with a 24" Dell U2415 ...and it has exactly the same bizarre behaviour. If I maximise any window (an application, a folder, whatever) its size becomes 1936 x 1186 and its position -8, -8. I use two utilities to report window size/position: AHK Windows Info 1.7, and Macro Express Pro. But I expect there are many more. Perhaps it only happens with 1920 x 1200 screens? Anyone able to try it with the more prolific 1920 x 1080 please? Any insights as to why this occurs? If others with a screen of any resolution cannot reproduce, what obscure setting of my setup could cause it? Terry, East Grinstead, UK Does both your monitor AND Graphics card support 1920x1200 res? I used to use that same res many years ago, but the newer hardware & graphics adapters don't semm to support that anymore. -- Garry Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org Classic VB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc microsoft.public.vb.general.discussion |
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Any maximised window is larger than my screen
Terry Pinnell wrote:
For many years I've assumed that the subject issue, described below, was a flaw unique to my particular monitors, a succession of iiyama models, always 1920 x 1200, my preferred resolution. But I was wrong, because I've just replaced my 24" iiyama Prolite E2403WS with a 24" Dell U2415 ...and it has exactly the same bizarre behaviour. If I maximise any window (an application, a folder, whatever) its size becomes 1936 x 1186 and its position -8, -8. I use two utilities to report window size/position: AHK Windows Info 1.7, and Macro Express Pro. But I expect there are many more. Perhaps it only happens with 1920 x 1200 screens? Anyone able to try it with the more prolific 1920 x 1080 please? Any insights as to why this occurs? If others with a screen of any resolution cannot reproduce, what obscure setting of my setup could cause it? Terry, East Grinstead, UK What happens if you change the borderwidth setting ? https://www.askvg.com/registry-tweak...-in-windows-8/ I checked my other machine here, and it basically does the same as yours. I run 1440x900, and if a window is maximized, some of the border is outside the screen area (could well be -8,-8). But not enough border, that the "X" isn't fully visible. It's like they still respect the decorations. Paul |
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Any maximised window is larger than my screen
GS wrote:
For many years I've assumed that the subject issue, described below, was a flaw unique to my particular monitors, a succession of iiyama models, always 1920 x 1200, my preferred resolution. But I was wrong, because I've just replaced my 24" iiyama Prolite E2403WS with a 24" Dell U2415 ...and it has exactly the same bizarre behaviour. If I maximise any window (an application, a folder, whatever) its size becomes 1936 x 1186 and its position -8, -8. I use two utilities to report window size/position: AHK Windows Info 1.7, and Macro Express Pro. But I expect there are many more. Perhaps it only happens with 1920 x 1200 screens? Anyone able to try it with the more prolific 1920 x 1080 please? Any insights as to why this occurs? If others with a screen of any resolution cannot reproduce, what obscure setting of my setup could cause it? Terry, East Grinstead, UK Does both your monitor AND Graphics card support 1920x1200 res? I used to use that same res many years ago, but the newer hardware & graphics adapters don't semm to support that anymore. No graphics card here, my PC uses its built-in Intel HD Graphics 530. What size are your maximised windows? Terry, East Grinstead, UK |
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Any maximised window is larger than my screen
On Tue, 04 Sep 2018 22:41:10 +0100, Terry Pinnell wrote:
For many years I've assumed that the subject issue, described below, was a flaw unique to my particular monitors, a succession of iiyama models, always 1920 x 1200, my preferred resolution. But I was wrong, because I've just replaced my 24" iiyama Prolite E2403WS with a 24" Dell U2415 ...and it has exactly the same bizarre behaviour. If I maximise any window (an application, a folder, whatever) its size becomes 1936 x 1186 and its position -8, -8. I use two utilities to report window size/position: AHK Windows Info 1.7, and Macro Express Pro. But I expect there are many more. Perhaps it only happens with 1920 x 1200 screens? Anyone able to try it with the more prolific 1920 x 1080 please? Any insights as to why this occurs? If others with a screen of any resolution cannot reproduce, what obscure setting of my setup could cause it? That is perfectly normal. When the window is maximized, it does not need its draggable frame borders which are used to resize the window. So the draggable window frame borders (8 pixels wide for you) are placed just off the edges of the screen. That lets the main part of the window (inside the frame borders) occupy the full 1020x1080. This will happen with any screen size. -- Kind regards Ralph |
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Paul wrote:
Terry Pinnell wrote: For many years I've assumed that the subject issue, described below, was a flaw unique to my particular monitors, a succession of iiyama models, always 1920 x 1200, my preferred resolution. But I was wrong, because I've just replaced my 24" iiyama Prolite E2403WS with a 24" Dell U2415 ...and it has exactly the same bizarre behaviour. If I maximise any window (an application, a folder, whatever) its size becomes 1936 x 1186 and its position -8, -8. I use two utilities to report window size/position: AHK Windows Info 1.7, and Macro Express Pro. But I expect there are many more. Perhaps it only happens with 1920 x 1200 screens? Anyone able to try it with the more prolific 1920 x 1080 please? Any insights as to why this occurs? If others with a screen of any resolution cannot reproduce, what obscure setting of my setup could cause it? Terry, East Grinstead, UK What happens if you change the borderwidth setting ? https://www.askvg.com/registry-tweak...-in-windows-8/ I checked my other machine here, and it basically does the same as yours. I run 1440x900, and if a window is maximized, some of the border is outside the screen area (could well be -8,-8). But not enough border, that the "X" isn't fully visible. It's like they still respect the decorations. Paul Thanks for testing it and for the suggested experiment, which I tried. In the registry I temporarily changed Border Width from -15 to 0 and Padded Border Width from -60 to 0. This took effect visually at once ....but the quirk remained unchanged: maximised size still 1936 x 1186. My guess is that it's probably widespread but most users are never aware of it. It's significant only for those like me, who use macros or other scripts which sometimes depend on precise pixel positions. But it's no big deal for me in practice. Among the various macros I use to set any window's size and position I have one which maximises to 1920 x 1172 (allowing for the height of the permanent taskbar). Nevertheless I'm curious about its cause or purpose, now that I know it's not unique to me or to a particular monitor manufacturer. Terry, East Grinstead, UK |
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On 9/5/2018 2:17 AM, Terry Pinnell wrote:
GS wrote: For many years I've assumed that the subject issue, described below, was a flaw unique to my particular monitors, a succession of iiyama models, always 1920 x 1200, my preferred resolution. But I was wrong, because I've just replaced my 24" iiyama Prolite E2403WS with a 24" Dell U2415 ...and it has exactly the same bizarre behaviour. If I maximise any window (an application, a folder, whatever) its size becomes 1936 x 1186 and its position -8, -8. I use two utilities to report window size/position: AHK Windows Info 1.7, and Macro Express Pro. But I expect there are many more. Perhaps it only happens with 1920 x 1200 screens? Anyone able to try it with the more prolific 1920 x 1080 please? Any insights as to why this occurs? If others with a screen of any resolution cannot reproduce, what obscure setting of my setup could cause it? Terry, East Grinstead, UK Does both your monitor AND Graphics card support 1920x1200 res? I used to use that same res many years ago, but the newer hardware & graphics adapters don't semm to support that anymore. No graphics card here, my PC uses its built-in Intel HD Graphics 530. Whether using a graphics card or built-in chip, the issues are the same. Your drivers have to support the same resolution as you're using for the monitor or something will be off. From what you've written, it seems that the graphics chip resolution is 1936 x 1186, which would mean that the maximized window would be wider than but not as tall as the screen. -- best regards, Neil |
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Any maximised window is larger than my screen
Neil wrote:
On 9/5/2018 2:17 AM, Terry Pinnell wrote: GS wrote: For many years I've assumed that the subject issue, described below, was a flaw unique to my particular monitors, a succession of iiyama models, always 1920 x 1200, my preferred resolution. But I was wrong, because I've just replaced my 24" iiyama Prolite E2403WS with a 24" Dell U2415 ...and it has exactly the same bizarre behaviour. If I maximise any window (an application, a folder, whatever) its size becomes 1936 x 1186 and its position -8, -8. I use two utilities to report window size/position: AHK Windows Info 1.7, and Macro Express Pro. But I expect there are many more. Perhaps it only happens with 1920 x 1200 screens? Anyone able to try it with the more prolific 1920 x 1080 please? Any insights as to why this occurs? If others with a screen of any resolution cannot reproduce, what obscure setting of my setup could cause it? Terry, East Grinstead, UK Does both your monitor AND Graphics card support 1920x1200 res? I used to use that same res many years ago, but the newer hardware & graphics adapters don't semm to support that anymore. No graphics card here, my PC uses its built-in Intel HD Graphics 530. Whether using a graphics card or built-in chip, the issues are the same. Your drivers have to support the same resolution as you're using for the monitor or something will be off. From what you've written, it seems that the graphics chip resolution is 1936 x 1186, which would mean that the maximized window would be wider than but not as tall as the screen. The graphics resolution is 1920 x 1200. Terry, East Grinstead, UK |
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Ralph Fox wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2018 22:41:10 +0100, Terry Pinnell wrote: For many years I've assumed that the subject issue, described below, was a flaw unique to my particular monitors, a succession of iiyama models, always 1920 x 1200, my preferred resolution. But I was wrong, because I've just replaced my 24" iiyama Prolite E2403WS with a 24" Dell U2415 ...and it has exactly the same bizarre behaviour. If I maximise any window (an application, a folder, whatever) its size becomes 1936 x 1186 and its position -8, -8. I use two utilities to report window size/position: AHK Windows Info 1.7, and Macro Express Pro. But I expect there are many more. Perhaps it only happens with 1920 x 1200 screens? Anyone able to try it with the more prolific 1920 x 1080 please? Any insights as to why this occurs? If others with a screen of any resolution cannot reproduce, what obscure setting of my setup could cause it? That is perfectly normal. When the window is maximized, it does not need its draggable frame borders which are used to resize the window. So the draggable window frame borders (8 pixels wide for you) are placed just off the edges of the screen. That lets the main part of the window (inside the frame borders) occupy the full 1020x1080. This will happen with any screen size. Thanks Ralph, mystery solved. Personally I like being able to drag the sides or corners of a window at any time, and particularly when it's maximised. With this current functionality, that needs one extra click on the Restore icon, before the drag. And, depending on the preceding size and position, the restore won't necessarily be to the new requirement. Hence my macro to 'maximise to screen size. Terry, East Grinstead, UK |
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Any maximised window is larger than my screen
Neil wrote:
On 9/5/2018 2:17 AM, Terry Pinnell wrote: GS wrote: For many years I've assumed that the subject issue, described below, was a flaw unique to my particular monitors, a succession of iiyama models, always 1920 x 1200, my preferred resolution. But I was wrong, because I've just replaced my 24" iiyama Prolite E2403WS with a 24" Dell U2415 ...and it has exactly the same bizarre behaviour. If I maximise any window (an application, a folder, whatever) its size becomes 1936 x 1186 and its position -8, -8. I use two utilities to report window size/position: AHK Windows Info 1.7, and Macro Express Pro. But I expect there are many more. Perhaps it only happens with 1920 x 1200 screens? Anyone able to try it with the more prolific 1920 x 1080 please? Any insights as to why this occurs? If others with a screen of any resolution cannot reproduce, what obscure setting of my setup could cause it? Terry, East Grinstead, UK Does both your monitor AND Graphics card support 1920x1200 res? I used to use that same res many years ago, but the newer hardware & graphics adapters don't semm to support that anymore. No graphics card here, my PC uses its built-in Intel HD Graphics 530. Whether using a graphics card or built-in chip, the issues are the same. Your drivers have to support the same resolution as you're using for the monitor or something will be off. From what you've written, it seems that the graphics chip resolution is 1936 x 1186, which would mean that the maximized window would be wider than but not as tall as the screen. But that's not what his specialized utilities are reporting. They're reporting window dimensions. Not screen resolution setting. And it's possible for a desktop environment to have a larger coordinate space, than you can see at any one time. A window can be an off-screen buffer, unconstrained by graphics hardware. When it's "rendered" or composited, a viewport clips the excess materials at that point in time. The only thing that's constrained in his setup, is the panel in the LCD monitor, has precisely 1920x1200 visible pixels. And that can't be changed. But a lot of other things are quite flexible. Paul |
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On 9/5/2018 8:33 AM, Paul wrote:
Neil wrote: On 9/5/2018 2:17 AM, Terry Pinnell wrote: GS wrote: For many years I've assumed that the subject issue, described below, was a flaw unique to my particular monitors, a succession of iiyama models, always 1920 x 1200, my preferred resolution. But I was wrong, because I've just replaced my 24" iiyama Prolite E2403WS with a 24" Dell U2415 ...and it has exactly the same bizarre behaviour. If I maximise any window (an application, a folder, whatever) its size becomes 1936 x 1186 and its position -8, -8. I use two utilities to report window size/position: AHK Windows Info 1.7, and Macro Express Pro. But I expect there are many more. Perhaps it only happens with 1920 x 1200 screens? Anyone able to try it with the more prolific 1920 x 1080 please? Any insights as to why this occurs? If others with a screen of any resolution cannot reproduce, what obscure setting of my setup could cause it? Terry, East Grinstead, UK Does both your monitor AND Graphics card support 1920x1200 res? I used to use that same res many years ago, but the newer hardware & graphics adapters don't semm to support that anymore. No graphics card here, my PC uses its built-in Intel HD Graphics 530. Whether using a graphics card or built-in chip, the issues are the same. Your drivers have to support the same resolution as you're using for the monitor or something will be off. From what you've written, it seems that the graphics chip resolution is 1936 x 1186, which would mean that the maximized window would be wider than but not as tall as the screen. But that's not what his specialized utilities are reporting. They're reporting window dimensions. Not screen resolution setting. And it's possible for a desktop environment to have a larger coordinate space, than you can see at any one time. A window can be an off-screen buffer, unconstrained by graphics hardware. When it's "rendered" or composited, a viewport clips the excess materials at that point in time. The only thing that's constrained in his setup, is the panel in the LCD monitor, has precisely 1920x1200 visible pixels. And that can't be changed. But a lot of other things are quite flexible. Â*Â* Paul Yes, the availability of workspace larger than the screen size is not new. In that case there are scroll bars to access that additional space. I didn't get the impression that this was Terry's issue because of the odd size he reported for a maximized screen and he didn't mention scroll bars. Also, his reply to my post states that the graphics resolution is also 1920 x 1200, so a maximized app should not exceed those dimensions under normal circumstances. So, that suggests some other source of the problem. -- best regards, Neil |
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On 9/5/2018 7:58 AM, Terry Pinnell wrote:
Neil wrote: On 9/5/2018 2:17 AM, Terry Pinnell wrote: GS wrote: For many years I've assumed that the subject issue, described below, was a flaw unique to my particular monitors, a succession of iiyama models, always 1920 x 1200, my preferred resolution. But I was wrong, because I've just replaced my 24" iiyama Prolite E2403WS with a 24" Dell U2415 ...and it has exactly the same bizarre behaviour. If I maximise any window (an application, a folder, whatever) its size becomes 1936 x 1186 and its position -8, -8. I use two utilities to report window size/position: AHK Windows Info 1.7, and Macro Express Pro. But I expect there are many more. Perhaps it only happens with 1920 x 1200 screens? Anyone able to try it with the more prolific 1920 x 1080 please? Any insights as to why this occurs? If others with a screen of any resolution cannot reproduce, what obscure setting of my setup could cause it? Terry, East Grinstead, UK Does both your monitor AND Graphics card support 1920x1200 res? I used to use that same res many years ago, but the newer hardware & graphics adapters don't semm to support that anymore. No graphics card here, my PC uses its built-in Intel HD Graphics 530. Whether using a graphics card or built-in chip, the issues are the same. Your drivers have to support the same resolution as you're using for the monitor or something will be off. From what you've written, it seems that the graphics chip resolution is 1936 x 1186, which would mean that the maximized window would be wider than but not as tall as the screen. The graphics resolution is 1920 x 1200. Terry, East Grinstead, UK If both your graphics resolution and monitor resolution are the same, a maximized app should not exceed those dimensions. Something else is defining the resolution. Are you using a 3rd party UI on your computer? -- best regards, Neil |
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Neil wrote:
On 9/5/2018 8:33 AM, Paul wrote: Neil wrote: On 9/5/2018 2:17 AM, Terry Pinnell wrote: GS wrote: For many years I've assumed that the subject issue, described below, was a flaw unique to my particular monitors, a succession of iiyama models, always 1920 x 1200, my preferred resolution. But I was wrong, because I've just replaced my 24" iiyama Prolite E2403WS with a 24" Dell U2415 ...and it has exactly the same bizarre behaviour. If I maximise any window (an application, a folder, whatever) its size becomes 1936 x 1186 and its position -8, -8. I use two utilities to report window size/position: AHK Windows Info 1.7, and Macro Express Pro. But I expect there are many more. Perhaps it only happens with 1920 x 1200 screens? Anyone able to try it with the more prolific 1920 x 1080 please? Any insights as to why this occurs? If others with a screen of any resolution cannot reproduce, what obscure setting of my setup could cause it? Terry, East Grinstead, UK Does both your monitor AND Graphics card support 1920x1200 res? I used to use that same res many years ago, but the newer hardware & graphics adapters don't semm to support that anymore. No graphics card here, my PC uses its built-in Intel HD Graphics 530. Whether using a graphics card or built-in chip, the issues are the same. Your drivers have to support the same resolution as you're using for the monitor or something will be off. From what you've written, it seems that the graphics chip resolution is 1936 x 1186, which would mean that the maximized window would be wider than but not as tall as the screen. But that's not what his specialized utilities are reporting. They're reporting window dimensions. Not screen resolution setting. And it's possible for a desktop environment to have a larger coordinate space, than you can see at any one time. A window can be an off-screen buffer, unconstrained by graphics hardware. When it's "rendered" or composited, a viewport clips the excess materials at that point in time. The only thing that's constrained in his setup, is the panel in the LCD monitor, has precisely 1920x1200 visible pixels. And that can't be changed. But a lot of other things are quite flexible. ** Paul Yes, the availability of workspace larger than the screen size is not new. In that case there are scroll bars to access that additional space. I didn't get the impression that this was Terry's issue because of the odd size he reported for a maximized screen and he didn't mention scroll bars. Also, his reply to my post states that the graphics resolution is also 1920 x 1200, so a maximized app should not exceed those dimensions under normal circumstances. So, that suggests some other source of the problem. You must have missed the solution from Ralph some seven hours ago Neil. Terry, East Grinstead, UK |
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On 9/5/2018 8:09 AM, Terry Pinnell wrote:
Ralph Fox wrote: On Tue, 04 Sep 2018 22:41:10 +0100, Terry Pinnell wrote: For many years I've assumed that the subject issue, described below, was a flaw unique to my particular monitors, a succession of iiyama models, always 1920 x 1200, my preferred resolution. But I was wrong, because I've just replaced my 24" iiyama Prolite E2403WS with a 24" Dell U2415 ...and it has exactly the same bizarre behaviour. If I maximise any window (an application, a folder, whatever) its size becomes 1936 x 1186 and its position -8, -8. I use two utilities to report window size/position: AHK Windows Info 1.7, and Macro Express Pro. But I expect there are many more. Perhaps it only happens with 1920 x 1200 screens? Anyone able to try it with the more prolific 1920 x 1080 please? Any insights as to why this occurs? If others with a screen of any resolution cannot reproduce, what obscure setting of my setup could cause it? That is perfectly normal. When the window is maximized, it does not need its draggable frame borders which are used to resize the window. So the draggable window frame borders (8 pixels wide for you) are placed just off the edges of the screen. That lets the main part of the window (inside the frame borders) occupy the full 1020x1080. This will happen with any screen size. Thanks Ralph, mystery solved. Personally I like being able to drag the sides or corners of a window at any time, and particularly when it's maximised. With this current functionality, that needs one extra click on the Restore icon, before the drag. And, depending on the preceding size and position, the restore won't necessarily be to the new requirement. Hence my macro to 'maximise to screen size. Terry, East Grinstead, UK It sounds to me that there are two separate matters being discussed. When an app is maximized, it is indeed normal that one can't grab the edges to resize it, an aspect that dates back to Windows 2.0 as I recall. However, your stated app size is "...1936 x 1186...", which means that one dimension of a maximized app is larger than your screen size while the other is _smaller_ than your screen size. This sounds odd to me. -- best regards, Neil |
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On 9/5/2018 10:33 AM, Terry Pinnell wrote:
Neil wrote: On 9/5/2018 8:33 AM, Paul wrote: Neil wrote: On 9/5/2018 2:17 AM, Terry Pinnell wrote: GS wrote: For many years I've assumed that the subject issue, described below, was a flaw unique to my particular monitors, a succession of iiyama models, always 1920 x 1200, my preferred resolution. But I was wrong, because I've just replaced my 24" iiyama Prolite E2403WS with a 24" Dell U2415 ...and it has exactly the same bizarre behaviour. If I maximise any window (an application, a folder, whatever) its size becomes 1936 x 1186 and its position -8, -8. I use two utilities to report window size/position: AHK Windows Info 1.7, and Macro Express Pro. But I expect there are many more. Perhaps it only happens with 1920 x 1200 screens? Anyone able to try it with the more prolific 1920 x 1080 please? Any insights as to why this occurs? If others with a screen of any resolution cannot reproduce, what obscure setting of my setup could cause it? Terry, East Grinstead, UK Does both your monitor AND Graphics card support 1920x1200 res? I used to use that same res many years ago, but the newer hardware & graphics adapters don't semm to support that anymore. No graphics card here, my PC uses its built-in Intel HD Graphics 530. Whether using a graphics card or built-in chip, the issues are the same. Your drivers have to support the same resolution as you're using for the monitor or something will be off. From what you've written, it seems that the graphics chip resolution is 1936 x 1186, which would mean that the maximized window would be wider than but not as tall as the screen. But that's not what his specialized utilities are reporting. They're reporting window dimensions. Not screen resolution setting. And it's possible for a desktop environment to have a larger coordinate space, than you can see at any one time. A window can be an off-screen buffer, unconstrained by graphics hardware. When it's "rendered" or composited, a viewport clips the excess materials at that point in time. The only thing that's constrained in his setup, is the panel in the LCD monitor, has precisely 1920x1200 visible pixels. And that can't be changed. But a lot of other things are quite flexible. Â*Â* Paul Yes, the availability of workspace larger than the screen size is not new. In that case there are scroll bars to access that additional space. I didn't get the impression that this was Terry's issue because of the odd size he reported for a maximized screen and he didn't mention scroll bars. Also, his reply to my post states that the graphics resolution is also 1920 x 1200, so a maximized app should not exceed those dimensions under normal circumstances. So, that suggests some other source of the problem. You must have missed the solution from Ralph some seven hours ago Neil. Terry, East Grinstead, UK I wasn't on-line 7 hours ago. However, I did respond to your reply to Ralph because it doesn't seem to address the issue as you presented it. See that reply for specifics. -- best regards, Neil |
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