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  #61  
Old September 3rd 18, 07:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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In article , Roger Blake
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no it definitely isn't a return to that. you obviously don't understand
what the cloud means or offers.


Yes, it is. I was working in the computer industry back when things
were done that way. (Were you?) Conceptually it is the same thing.


no, it really isn't, and 'the cloud' isn't any one single thing anyway.

much of 'the cloud' these days is peer to peer, with 'the cloud' only
used to facilitate a connection between two (or more) devices, with
data stored on each device (e.g., dropbox), conceptually very different
from how it was done long ago.

since devices are always connected, 'the cloud' can alert a user about
an event that warrants their attention, such as a server crashing, a
moisture sensor detecting a flood or even something simple, such as who
won the baseball game that night.

'the cloud' hardware can be a computer on someone's desk, accessible
only from within their local network, aka a private cloud, a concept
that was unimaginable back then.

the differences in technology between then and now are *substantial*,
as is the functionality that can be done, with the above just a small
sample.

nonsense. users have full control of their data and can access it at
any time, they know exactly where it's being kept (the cloud service)


Utter and complete bilge. It's amazing to me that anyone can even
make such an ignorant statement.

only because you don't understand what it is and how it works.


I understand it completely. It is obvious that you do not.


you might think you do, but you definitely do not.
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Old September 3rd 18, 07:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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In article , Mayayana
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Apple is
arguably today's AOL. They sell pre-digested
computing at steep prices to people who want
convenience.


what the hell is 'pre-digested computing'?

If you have an iPhone it's all backed
up by Apple.


only if the user enables that. if they don't, then it won't.

backups can also be done locally to the user's own pc or mac (doesn't
matter which) if the user prefers.

backups are *optional*. someone can choose to not to back it up at all,
although that's foolish.

it's up to each user to decide what best fits their needs, not you or
anyone else.

android phones back up some stuff (although not all of it) to google.

and why exactly are backups a problem anyway?

it's much better to have a backup that to not have one. making it easy
for that to happen means more users will actually have backups in the
event their phone is lost or stolen, or even replaced under warranty,
which is a very good thing.

it helps to actually know about the products you are trying to bash.

They pay a thousand bucks for a
phone, but they get a shiny, futuristic gizmo that does
100 things and they don't have to understand *anything*.


they understand a lot more than you do.

an apple iphone se, a current model, can be purchased new from walmart
for as little as $139:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Straight-...32GB-Prepaid-S
martphone-Space-Gray/497984946

there are several different models of iphones, and not all of them are
$1000.

and it's not just apple with expensive phones. plenty of android phones
are similarly priced.

the new samsung galaxy note 9 starts at $1000 for 128g, with the 512g
model at $1249. it's not made by apple nor does it run an apple
operating system.

the red phone, also android, is $1295 or $1595:
http://www.red.com/hydrogen

of course, the specs and capabilities of a phone that costs $1000 or
more is dramatically higher than a phone that costs under $200.

users can choose whatever best fits their needs and spend their money
any way they want, whether or not you approve.
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Old September 3rd 18, 07:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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In article , Mayayana
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| The new (Android) Samsung phone is $1000+.
|

Probably a good point about Android. I don't know
and wasn't saying otherwise. The point was that
nospam was arguing about the role of cloud and I
was just pointing out that cloud, for the average
Apple fan, is something more integral and seemingly
benevolent than it is for Windows users.


nonsense, and it's often the exact same cloud services.

dropbox, for example, is the same on multiple platforms and can sync
across all of them.

a user can modify a file on a mac and the changes will show up on his
windows computer, then later, he can make further changes on his
android phone, which sync back to the mac and pc.

The iPhone
was just an example of how Apple controls everything
"from soup to nuts",


actually, they don't.

and how Apple fans mostly like
that. I wasn't talking about phones.


you only mentioned iphones, so yes you were.



| All Hail Lord Jobs. Who do I make the check out to?
|
| Do I hear Jealousy??
|

You seem to have missed my points entirely.


you didn't have any.
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Old September 3rd 18, 07:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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In article , Wolf K
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There are Android phones in the same price range that offer the same
convenience.

[...]

There are _cheaper_ Android phones


and more expensive ones too.

that offer the same, er, convenience.


not really.

cheaper phones generally do *not* have the same features or convenience
as more expensive models, one reason why they're cheaper.

whether someone needs all of the features in a higher spec model is
their choice. if they do, then a cheaper phone, one which lacks the
features they need, won't work particularly well, or at all.

And better cameras.


not always, and the differences are minor.
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Old September 5th 18, 03:50 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On 2018-08-31 23:57, nospam wrote:

In article , B00ze
wrote:

And if you quit then don't forget to first back
up all your work locally from that famous "free"
cloud storage, or you'll lose it.


Never really understood that.


that much is clear, nor does the person to whom you're responding.


What I meant is that I do not understand what CC has that Dropbox
doesn't have. Does it allow multiple people to edit the same graphic at
the same time? I guess some graphic shops don't have anything else to
protect than graphics, but even then, it kinda smells like Adobe are
trying to lock you into their ecosystem - can you access Creative Cloud
from Paint Shop Pro? Or from Paint.NET?

in fact, you can disconnect from the internet and continue to edit
photos, create brochures, etc. it does need to ping adobe every 30-90
days to verify payment, but that's it.


All Cloud syncs work that way, unless you enable a feature where this
isn't the case, but does CC expose itself via the filesystem, so you can
access the stuff from any app?

nothing is lost if you stop paying, other than not being able to use
the apps you are no longer paying for. however, some apps will still
work without payment, but with some features disabled.


That's good, at least you can still access the software...

numerous non-adobe apps can read adobe's files, so there is no lock-in,
or just export them to another format.

If I want cloud storage I will want it for
all files, e.g. not only for Adobe-edited pictures, so why the hell
would I want to use Creative Cloud Storage?


because creative cloud apps running on multiple devices and platforms
and with multiple users can work seamlessly with adobe's cloud.


Yeah, if you can do collaborative stuff, then yes, it is probably useful
to some people. For the home user like me tho, CC is just not
attractive, nor is renting software unless it's really cheap - per-use
price would be better for me, seeing as I use something like Excel 3
times a year (never use PhotoShop, don't have it.)

nothing prevents you from using other cloud services, but you may lose
some functionality if you do. also, nothing prevents you from using
more than one cloud service either, or none at all.


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Old September 5th 18, 04:09 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On 2018-09-01 00:23, Mayayana wrote:

"B00ze" wrote

| Aren't Adobe sneakier than most and put icons to cloud-executing
| functions in their software? Meaning once they stop supporting your
| version, you can click all you want on that "super duper cloud-powered
| picture enhancer" icon in the toolbar, nothing will happen?

I don't understand. As far as I know the software
is all running locally in the first place. It just pretends
to be cloudy in order to justify rent. So it should still
work. But the only rational excuse they had for rental


Well, what do I know, they could very well create some complex AI-Type
filters that can only run quickly on the company's cloud servers - so
that button that works when you're online doesn't work at all otherwise...

in the first place was that people would always have
the latest at the same price. Now, without having
a recent version of Win10, you still pay the same
price but don't get the latest. It seems that a price
cut in the rental fee would be the least they can do.
But I guess they don't think they need to. They've
got PS addicts over a barrel.


I'm not sure why they are not more flexible, it's certain they make
enough money to support multiple OS versions, but you have to admit, it
is HARD to get Win10 to stay put - most people WILL be running the
latest Win10 whether they want to or not...

And defending it forcefully. Neil pretty much says that
anyone who doesn't go out now to buy Win10 and rent
PS CC is a non-pro loser. They're not just saying they
personally find it more economical.

Come to think of it, no one did say they find it more
economical. And it's unlikely they would. Adobe themselves
said the idea in the first place was to figure out a way
to charge people who skip versions. Most customers
were buying every other version -- skipping every second
version. Adobe was under pressure to keep coming out
with new, jazzy features that people would buy. But they


Oh I don't know; my experience with Adobe software (i.e. Acrobat in its
myriad editions, and installing/uninstalling Creative Suites) is that
Adobe can't code **** - the stuff breaks as soon as Windows or Office
updates, there are many bugs, some never get fixed, the error messages
the apps give are totally useless, and the Adobe installers are utter
garbage. They don't need new features, the old ones stop working all by
themselves...

didn't have any big improvements to sell. Graphic editing
is a mature product. They already have critical things like
layers. Most of the "new features" tend to be dummy
functions that are just presets of several editing techniques.


Yeah, I kinda figured that.

So Adobe increased profits by setting a rent that
was slightly cheaper than buying every version but
notably more expensive than buying less frequently.


I'm sure it's an attempt to break piracy. I wonder if the CC products
have been cracked 100% working...

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Old September 5th 18, 03:49 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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In article , B00ze
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And if you quit then don't forget to first back
up all your work locally from that famous "free"
cloud storage, or you'll lose it.

Never really understood that.


that much is clear, nor does the person to whom you're responding.


What I meant is that I do not understand what CC has that Dropbox
doesn't have.


mainly, integration with other adobe apps and multiple devices.

for example, if you edit a photo using lightroom on a phone or tablet,
the edits are synced to your desktop and/or laptop, and vice versa, in
addition to the photos.

dropbox would only sync the photos, not the edit history.

Does it allow multiple people to edit the same graphic at
the same time? I guess some graphic shops don't have anything else to
protect than graphics, but even then, it kinda smells like Adobe are
trying to lock you into their ecosystem - can you access Creative Cloud
from Paint Shop Pro? Or from Paint.NET?


there is no lock-in. the files are normal files, the same as it's
always been. all that's changed is how it's paid for.

in fact, you can disconnect from the internet and continue to edit
photos, create brochures, etc. it does need to ping adobe every 30-90
days to verify payment, but that's it.


All Cloud syncs work that way, unless you enable a feature where this
isn't the case,


i wasn't talking about sync.

the apps are installed locally on the hd/ssd and work with files stored
locally (or on a server), the same as it's always been.

the difference with cc is that it has to ping adobe every so often to
verify payment status. previously, payment status was a one-time (and
much higher) payment.

newer versions of the apps add new features, but that would have
happened without the subscription model (and at a slower pace).

but does CC expose itself via the filesystem, so you can
access the stuff from any app?


it works the same way non-cc apps do, working with the very same files.

other apps can read and in many cases write the very same formats, the
same as before.

what's changed are the payment options.


If I want cloud storage I will want it for
all files, e.g. not only for Adobe-edited pictures, so why the hell
would I want to use Creative Cloud Storage?


because creative cloud apps running on multiple devices and platforms
and with multiple users can work seamlessly with adobe's cloud.


Yeah, if you can do collaborative stuff, then yes, it is probably useful
to some people. For the home user like me tho, CC is just not
attractive, nor is renting software unless it's really cheap - per-use
price would be better for me, seeing as I use something like Excel 3
times a year (never use PhotoShop, don't have it.)


cc is targeted at pro users, which you say you are not.

photoshop elements, the consumer version of photoshop, typically about
$50 or so street price and a one-time purchase, is more than enough for
casual use. the features it lacks compared to the full photoshop isn't
anything most non-pros will miss (or even know what they're for). it's
also often bundled with hardware, making it free (assuming you want
said hardware).

some non-pros may choose the full photoshop and some pros might choose
elements, while some might choose something else entirely.

nothing is perfect for everyone's needs.
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Old September 5th 18, 03:49 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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I'm not sure why they are not more flexible, it's certain they make
enough money to support multiple OS versions,


a major reason is because the functionality that they want to offer
that takes full advantage of modern hardware requires something more
recent than win7/8.

another reason is that the majority of cc customers no longer use
win7/8, so there's very little impact in dropping support for it.

meanwhile, photoshop elements 2018 supports as far back as win7 sp1:
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop-elements/system-requirements.html

but you have to admit, it
is HARD to get Win10 to stay put - most people WILL be running the
latest Win10 whether they want to or not...


that part is very true.
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Old September 6th 18, 02:50 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On 2018-09-05 10:49, nospam wrote:

[snip]

cc is targeted at pro users, which you say you are not.

photoshop elements, the consumer version of photoshop, typically about
$50 or so street price and a one-time purchase, is more than enough for
casual use. the features it lacks compared to the full photoshop isn't
anything most non-pros will miss (or even know what they're for). it's
also often bundled with hardware, making it free (assuming you want
said hardware).

some non-pros may choose the full photoshop and some pros might choose
elements, while some might choose something else entirely.

nothing is perfect for everyone's needs.


Ohhh, there is a home version of PS and it's not rented? Nice, I shall
look into that (acquiring some PS skill would be a good thing.)

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Old September 6th 18, 03:04 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On 2018-09-05 10:49, nospam wrote:

In article , B00ze
wrote:

I'm not sure why they are not more flexible, it's certain they make
enough money to support multiple OS versions,


a major reason is because the functionality that they want to offer
that takes full advantage of modern hardware requires something more
recent than win7/8.


You can always code your own. Sure, it becomes simpler to use new
Microsoft APIs as they come out, but it's always possible to support
older OSes, it just becomes hard to keep everything in sync (and
expensive, but Adobe makes lots of money.)

another reason is that the majority of cc customers no longer use
win7/8, so there's very little impact in dropping support for it.


Yeah, I think you are right here.

meanwhile, photoshop elements 2018 supports as far back as win7 sp1:
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop-elements/system-requirements.html


Yes, I will look into that, it sounds interesting, I need to lean layers
lol; I'm a pixel type painter (remember Deluxe Paint or Brilliance (on
Amiga,)) always have trouble with layers...

but you have to admit, it
is HARD to get Win10 to stay put - most people WILL be running the
latest Win10 whether they want to or not...


that part is very true.


Yup, Adobe are not really punishing themselves by dropping Windows 10
"version 1" support.

I wonder how good Elements is bug-wise; hopefully it is closer to
Acrobat DC than to their previous Acrobat versions which were quite
buggy. I find the Reader DC updater does a good job keeping the product
updated - it's too bad Adobe still sells various "versions" of Acrobat
Pro (e.g. Acrobat 2015, Acrobat 2017, etc,) they should sell only
"Acrobat Pro" and that's it, because they need to constantly update it
as it keeps breaking when Microsoft changes things...

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Old September 6th 18, 03:38 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On 9/5/2018 10:04 PM, B00ze wrote:

I wonder how good Elements is bug-wise; hopefully it is closer to
Acrobat DC than to their previous Acrobat versions which were quite
buggy. I find the Reader DC updater does a good job keeping the product
updated - it's too bad Adobe still sells various "versions" of Acrobat
Pro (e.g. Acrobat 2015, Acrobat 2017, etc,) they should sell only
"Acrobat Pro" and that's it, because they need to constantly update it
as it keeps breaking when Microsoft changes things...

I have to say that as one who has used all versions of Acrobat since it
was first introduced, your experience with it doesn't reflect mine. I
have never seen Acrobat fail when dealing with valid PDF files. What I
suspect is that you have run into the myriad of bogus PDF files that
other "pdf creating apps" have made, because no version of Acrobat
accepts them as valid and will often crash when trying to open them.
There's a good reason for that. Acrobat is used to create and proof
documents that are sent to professional PDF devices (offset printers,
etc.) that strictly follow the PostScript language (the PDF format is
based on PostScript). Bogus PDF documents usually fail on those devices,
resulting in significant costs to the users that submit them.

As for Elements, it is capable of more than most casual users need.
However, there are other apps in the same price range as Elements that
have the capabilities of the full version of Photoshop, but with very
different user interfaces.

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Old September 6th 18, 02:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On 06/09/2018 03:04:45, B00ze wrote:
On 2018-09-05 10:49, nospam wrote:

In article , B00ze
wrote:

it's too bad
Adobe still sells various "versions" of Acrobat Pro (e.g. Acrobat 2015,
Acrobat 2017, etc,) they should sell only "Acrobat Pro" and that's it,
because they need to constantly update it as it keeps breaking when Microsoft
changes things...

Still using Acrobat X Pro (2010) here, it's been through Windows Vista,
win 7, win 8/8.1 and now win 10 and it ain't broken once :-)

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Old September 6th 18, 02:58 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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"Wolf K" wrote

| You can always code your own.
| [...]
|
| Who's "you"?
|

I think he meant Adobe. I doubt Adobe *really*
needs Win10-specific functionality for image editing.
Someone recently mentioned DirectX 12 providing the
ability to use multiple GPUs. But how many people
are using multiple GPUs to edit images?

It's an ongoing debate in programming: Backward
compatibility vs new features. And wrappers vs
"coding your own".

Example: Not long ago, Windows provided no way to
save a JPG file. More recently, it provided no way to
handle PNGs. The inexperienced programmer, depending
on built-in, 1-line functionality that might have started in,
say, Win8 will say their software that handles PNGs only
supports Win8+ and that older versions of Windows are
just not "modern" enough to handle it. But someone who
wants to support 2000/XP/Vista/7 could do that by either
using a 3rd-party library or coding the functionality
themselves.
Another example is Internet functionality. I know a lot
of programmers who think calling IE to get a webpage is
Internet programming. They don't know how to use the
winsock API to actually call and talk to a server, so their
software depends on IE!

I like the analogy of cooking. You can make spaghetti
sauce by dumping a bottle of Ragu into a pan. Or you
can dump the Ragu and add a few of your own touches.
Or you can use a can of tomato sauce and add the herbs,
vegetables yourself. Or you can do it all from scratch.
There are pros and cons to each approach. But the more
removed you get with conveinence, the less power
and control you have. If you're a Ragu dumper then as
soon as you run out of Ragu bottles you have to take
spaghetti off of the menu.

Windows programming is similar. You can use Windows
wrappers to do things with a couple of lines of code, or
you can use lower-level methods to do the same thing.

Over time, wrappers have become popular and many
people don't know how to do things otherwise. That's
why so much Windows software is slow and crazy-bloated.
It's written by Ragu dumpers.

For most things other than games there's no reason
support can't continue for older Windows versions.
Certainly for Win7, at least, which is more widely used than
Win10! Most of what is done in a graphic editor is pure
math. Sharpening, lightening, applying filters, resizing,
cropping... It's all pure math and has all been possible
since Win95.

If I understood correctly, B00ze was saying that Adobe
have no real excuse for being a Ragu dumper.


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B00ze wrote:
On 2018-09-05 10:49, nospam wrote:

In article , B00ze
wrote:

I'm not sure why they are not more flexible, it's certain they make
enough money to support multiple OS versions,


a major reason is because the functionality that they want to offer
that takes full advantage of modern hardware requires something more
recent than win7/8.


You can always code your own. Sure, it becomes simpler to use new
Microsoft APIs as they come out, but it's always possible to support
older OSes, it just becomes hard to keep everything in sync (and
expensive, but Adobe makes lots of money.)


I don't think you know the half of it.

On the one hand, Photoshop was traditionally a high
quality software. I never had any real bugs to speak
of while using it. (I have two copies on the Mac, one
copy acquired with a scanner purchase.)

But, they have some strange habits, as developers go.

For example, they made their own memory management
plugin. That's like writing your own malloc.

Now, is that absolutely necessary? Or is that asshattery?
You decide.

If you were to say "Jesus, I get tired when
swimming upstream against the current all the time".
Yes, it's true. It takes a lot of energy to move
against a flow of water. Instead of taking the
easy way, and moving with the water. But that's
the history of Photoshop for you. When they visit
your ecosystem, they slip on their hip waders,
and rewrite the parts where their program "touches"
your OS.

*******

Another area they go overboard, is in hardware
acceleration. For example, back when I got a copy of
Photoshop, you could buy a small plugin board with
dual 56K DSP processors. And Photoshop plugins would
accelerate certain image filters, and they'd run
on the 56K processor. They've ported the filters
to a number of hardware solutions.

If we're on a modern computer, well, what could they
mess with ? Oooh, video card! There are programmable
shaders there. There's CUDA. There's OpenCL. How
can we complicate things ? OK, let's try.

That might be a component of the "expense" of
supporting multiple OSes.

The thing is, Photoshop never seemed to be hobbled
by the speed of the image processing. It was the
scratch disk and the undo scheme that was "from hell".
If you had your undo set to five levels, you might
do an operation, then wait *one minute 30 seconds*
while your image was paged out to disk, on the
off chance you might choose to use the undo button.
Then, whether the filter operation took five
seconds or six seconds seemed... irrelevant.

In modern times, you don't have to do **** like
this. It's no longer 1990. Processors are "fast
enough". An M.2 drive would make a dandy scratch
(2GB/sec, faster than most software can go
anyway). We can afford a bit more RAM, enough to
do a decent-size picture, plus hold five undos
in memory. I don't really need video card acceleration
at all - if it wasn't available, or if it wasn't
available on Windows 7, I doubt anyone would notice.

Not all Photoshop filters are multithreaded. Some
are single-threaded (for "quality" reasons). It's not
like everything is accelerated in the first place.

It's one of those cases where you:

1) Don't want to know what's under the hood.
2) Depending on your hardware setup, you better
be a patient individual.

I don't do a lot of Photoshop, but Photoshop ran
my scanner via the provided plugin that came
with the scanner. And that's how I got some
exposure to it. And full Photoshop has a macro-recorder,
so I could scan a sheet, and after about two minutes,
out would come an image which was noise-reduced
and ready for the rest of the workflow. All with
one click of a button.

I guess it's a matter of "really needing it",
to appreciate it. It has its own ecosystem.
People will sell you training. And so on.

Paul
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Default Adobe - The writing on the wall comes into view

In article , Mayayana
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I doubt Adobe *really*
needs Win10-specific functionality for image editing.


for basic image editing (e.g., colour balance, exposure adjustment),
that is true.

for advanced functionality, that is not true.

they didn't cut it off at win10 just for the hell of it.

there are features in win10 that adobe wants to use that do not exist
in earlier versions, making it impossible to continue to support win7/8
and provide those features.
 




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